What should I wear there?

>>2796749
>- High Taxes if one were to live here.
huh?

total tax burden in Italy is lower than in the US for an average citizen
they just have high total government spending

>Is it worth going to Florence tomorrow?
yes 100%
1 day is really short for Florence though

>Is it worth moving to Verona?
do you like Italy?
do you like Italian?
can you find a job?

maybe try living there as DN first

also keep in mind that
1) most likely won't live in the most beautiful parts of the city
2) even if you do, the apartment there are usually shit

>>2796749
Florence is too crowded for my liking but it's still cool. I would stay across the river

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>>2796782
I meant by income tax.
The average apartment here looks good desu. Not even in a tourist area.
Italian, classical latin, Church latin, venetian are the only latin languages I don't mind.

Good point, I will try to work remotely for a bit here. And thanks I will consider visiting Florence? I assume you're Italian?

>>2796796
>I meant by income tax.
Italy and the USA are not that far apart if you adjust for cost of living

>The average apartment here looks good
in northern Italian cities that certainly is true
and if you have an US salary, they are quite affordable as well

just keep in mind that the Italian population already shrinks
and you shouldn't expect rising real estate prices (outside Rome, Milan, Turin etc.)

>I assume you're Italian?
no, German
but my Family owns 2 vacations homes in Italy and I'm there a few times / year

florence is beautiful, but will have more tourists than everywhere you went. and more begging 3rd worlders or trying to sell counterfit shit to you.
But also they have a few famous food dishes.
Some of the best renaissance art tho maybe you've seen plenty of masterpieces already is it over saturation.
the periphery of the city is super comfy. the hills and cyprus trees.

but in the periphery of veneto there are many places that might be more comfy for a day trip, and nearer (assuming you need the train major lines?)

what do u want to visit?
lago di garda? pescheria del garda, sirmione, limone sul garda, arco
trento, bolzano - comfy smaller cities to the north
regions in the alto adige val gardena, cortina d'ampezzo
mantua, vicenza, padua, treviso, brescia, bergamo, cremona are all smaller cities that are reachable from verona that have modest tourism appeal but there is so much tourist draw of other cities they are fairly relaxing.
sabionetta looks neat.
bassano del grappa is neat

fruili is like a quiet beautiful part of italy that is hidden from everyone

>>2796832
Thanks. Yeah I use the major train lines. I decided to skip Florence and will travel there next time. Seems like an amazing place, especially for my childhood assassin's creed nostalgia.
Which other places in Veneto woukd you recommend? Venice was nice, Verona shocked me how beautiful it is. The smaller towns like Rovigo are full of turd worlders.

>>2796837
Thanks, are Trieste and Trento worth visiting? How about Umbria, Genoa and Torino. Are you a wop?

going to italy soon. milan, sardinia, siena, pisa, venice and some other places. whats worth seeing and whats overrated?

>>2796749
>>- Niggers
>- Jeets
>- Abduls
Seriously? Holy shit is there nowhere left to move to?

>>2796908
pisa is overrated. venice is touristy as fuck but also beautiful. milan is quite different from the rest of italy. a bit more corporate, modern, etc. sardinia is great. gotta do research though otherwise you are likely to end up in crowds during the peak season. never been to siena. I hope you budgeted a lot of time for your trip because that's a lot of places.

How to move to Italy and open a business without having to pay mafia protection? And where are there no blacks and arabs and shit?

>>2797146
You don't go to the uncivilized parts (IE the south) which unfortunately are among the most beautiful and friendly parts.
>And where are there no blacks and arabs and shit?
There are blacks and arabs all over the country, friend. Some cities have higher percentages than others. You don't see them in the countryside as often though, as a general rule of thumb.

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I went with my mom on a south Italy tour group to Rome, Vieste, Matera, Maiori, Amalfi, Sorrento, and Naples a few years ago. Felt weird being the youngest and surrounded by boomers, and I can't say I liked having to follow around the guide with people wearing tacky earbuds. But the arrangements were worthwhile, and they let us loose a good deal. My mom wants to go back this October for a week in just Rome, to see the canonization, no tour. Gonna wish I could revisit Vieste, or check out any of the places mentioned by OP, but experiencing the city again in weather that hopefully won't be as sweltering sounds nice.

>>2797147
Does Trieste have them? I really like that city but I haven't been in like 15 years.

>>2797144
about 1-2 days in each. my friends (who did the itinerary) just want o see the sights and move on. me on the other hand i dont feel as if ive really seen a place unless ive spent at least a week there, but i dont mind.

Worth checking out Kurt Caz in Italy at the moment, absolutly wild the social problems that seem to exist there.

The social problems of course are the same as they are everywhere: BLACKS & BROWNS

>>2798357
yeah. every european/western country is dealing with this. but for years you couldnt post about it without it being taken down for 'hate speech' or something like that.

>>2796749
>Amazing Food
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-italian-food-is-rubbish/

>>2796828
>just keep in mind that the Italian population already shrinks
>>2799209

>Everyone looks good
This is my worst fear about going to Italy. I'm going to get severely mogged and it's going to send me into a spiral of depression.

>>2799729
You can't expect to turn heads as a plain average Joe Schmo anywhere in Europe. But there are plenty of places outside the ritziest city centers where you'll blend right in.

>>2798394
I just want to fucking move somewhere. Where can I go, I'll wash dishes if needed. Anything.

learn swearwords and people will offer you drinks. Call people "frocio" etc

>>2798357
he walked around the train station area in rome and thought this was news to people?

>>2799838
what does this mean? Are you a brown looking to make europe more brown, or a european trying to escape?

there is nowhere to escape to, [[[they]]] won

>>2800016
>or a european trying to escape?
This unfortunately, I used to live in a 99.9% white country, but now the economy went to shit, everyone who had anyone abroad left, and I'm stuck here with no one to help me with anything (you can only get decent jobs through nepotism/mafia/politics), and they're filling all the low end jobs with Nepalese and Pakistanis and whoever the fuck else while giving them and the people who employ them (mafia/politicians/nepos) free money.

>>2800018
the only cope / hope pill I have is literally in genetic engineering at this point.

It will soon be possible to choose the genetic makeup of your own children. I'm pretty sure that when that happens, all browns will literally eradicate themselves in order to have aryan kids (which they still consider superior)

>>2796832
https://noteverythingislovely.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/florence-aka-firenze-aka-overrrated-tuscany-italy/

>>2800021
How will this help me not to die in a ditch?

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i'm not white

>>2796899
Not the wop you asked but I am a wop. Trento is good as a base to explore the nearby alpine areas but I found the city itself kinda boring overall. the natural science museum is cool. Trieste is nice, different architecture than other Italian towns. Very hilly. Also very windy, I went in early spring and it was a little unpleasant, it's probably very nice in summer.

>>2802072
>Trieste is nice, different architecture than other Italian towns.
Because it's not Italian.

>>2802315
Hate to break it to you, but it is. And so is Fiume, Istria, and Dalmazia

>>2802731
It's really not, it's terrible peasant architecture everywhere you mentioned. Same for all of Northern Italy. If it didn't have a proper Renaissance, it's not proper Italy.

>>2799719
>https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/admit-it-italian-food-is-rubbish/
this is some zesty old british theatre queen talking about how he hates his extended family and having to meet them at italian restaurants

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I'll be staying in Bari for 5 days, just a quick summer getaway. I've been to Italy before (Rome, Naples and Amalfi Coast, Firenze, Venice, Sicily, etc) and I speak some italian. What should I see in the city, and what daytrips do you recommend? I'm thinking of doing Matera for a day, and Polignano a Mare for a cool beachside village. Interested in history, art (any worthwhile art museums in the area?), etc. I wanna see Lecce as well, but I might leave that off for another trip.

>>2806175
Dude literally every single Italian "city" is exactly the same.

>>2806350
Cool. So this whole thread is irrelevant then?

>>2806445
Yeah.

>>2796749
I'm looking for recommendations on a travel itinerary in Italy.

>I have 17 nights in Italy
>Traveling with parents (and my gf)
>Part of the reason for this trip is to take my parents back to the hometown they were born in the south (small town in Calabria)
>They've never been back, so it's a little bit of a reconnection and cultural moment
>Flying in and out of Rome

I figure that since we're flying in and out of Rome and small town Calabria is going to be a part of the itinerary, it's only worth it to stay in the south.
The cities/areas I have currently marked for overnight stays are:
>Rome
>Just outside Cosenza
>Napoli
>Somewhere on the Amalfi coast

I'm curious if people recommend staying in Napoli? Or should I swap/add a different city in there? I'm assuming there's tons to do and see in the area, so I'm not particularly concerned. But I do notice that there is less written about traveling the south, so I wanted the opinions of some anons that are more knowledgeable in this space.

Thanks in advance.

>>2806175
5 days for Bari are a lot to be honest, there isn't that much stuff to see. If I was you I'd explore other places in Puglia rather than stay 5 days in Bari

>>2806612
You can go to the Sila mountains near Cosenza. Also Tropea and Capo Vaticano are nice seaside spots about 100-ish kms to the south-west from Cosenza

What is the theft/crime situation like?

I'm not a stupid traveller, nor am I particularly naive, but I am curious what I should be on the look out for.
I know pickpocketing is the thing that gets the most attention. But what about muggings or straight up snatching off one's person? Like if I have a camera that I'm carrying around, will someone come up to me with a knife? Will someone try to do a run-by and snatch it off of my shoulder?
It seems like that isn't as common as I don't see many people warning of that online as opposed to pickpockets (obviously there are the odd cases where it happens, but it seems to be significantly less common).

Spending 3 days in Rome, any tips?
Yes I'm visiting the colosseum and the Vatican but don't know what else to do. Also need some recommendations on where to eat and drink for cheap.

>>2808424
Just stay in populated areas, keep your phone somewhere it can't be snatched, and you'll be fine.

>>2808424
Was watching a few youtube videos and is insane the amount of scammers, pickpocketers, trinket and dope peddlers.
There's no logical reason whatsoever that explains why politicians, local authority and police tolerate these illegal behaviors right in front of some of the most visited tourist attractions in the world but here we are. For all its faults at least in the US they're not able to operate as nonchalantly as they do in Rome, Paris or Madrid.

>>2808552
It's simple. There's a financial incentive. These multinationals are reshaping the world to be more profitable for thme. That means filling every western country with a slave class from the poorest countries. It's just money.

>>2806350
No two cities are alike, dumbdumb.

>>2808569
But these guys don't pay taxes, steal from people and live in a parallel society, how does that benefit multinational corporations? More, how does that benefit the cities and get tolerated by everyone from prime ministers to low level city officials?
It's pretty much the same in the most popular destinations, one would think there would be a bigger incentive to keep streets tourist friendly, clean and free of human scum but it doesn't seem to be the case.
It has to be some clue missing here.
Look at the Italian cities, they have elected a right wing populist prime minister supposedly not aligned with EU hivemind yet the problem stays the same if not worse, I don't get it.

>>2808582
it's 50% demoralization, 50% distraction. Keep the people busy with this shit while the politicians steal as much as they can.

>>2808582
You don't get it. No one on /pol/ gets it. It's so simple. Import a slave class who will work for nothing and who will be so diverse in race and religion that they'll never unionise or rebel. Replace all jobs that require high competency with AI and use the slave class to do the jobs that require human labour. The multinationals don't envision a world of prosperity for everyone, they envision a world of prosperity for them only. It's that simple. That's how you have to view it. You kept hearing about "the great reset" that's going to happen in 2030. It's going to happen. Just not in America.

>>2808590
You're missing the point altogether. You can import millions of workers and advance that agenda without tolerating the scum that cause trouble and uglify beauty spots. These pickpocket and con artists do nothing for said corporations.

>Just not in America
What do you mean? If anything it's ground zero for such policies already.

>>2808595
No, you're missing the point. You think that the people with power care about anything other than making money and living comfortably. They don't. They don't care about history. They don't care about crime. They know they can end it overnight, and they will.

What would be some good cultural products to look out for when travelling across the country?

I'm thinking of Japan and how they're known for denim, knives, and indigo. Italy is known for fashion and cooking, but more in a general sense and I'm less familiar with any specific items. I do make my own pasta by hand, so I'll be looking for bronze dies to stamp out some ravioli. But aside from that I'm at a loss.

>>2808605
What does any of this mean, please elaborate.

>>2810464
'University of [city]' t-shirts, fridge magnets.

>>2806612
Reggio Calabria has a cool archeological museum that houses the Bronzes of Riace and the tombs of the Greek necropolis.
Also a few artifacts with "the solar symbol of the swastika".

>>2813237
Yeah great, and millions of blacks.

>>2813251
Didn't see a single one when I was there last month, but I'm sure your faggot ass knows better.

>>2810464
Do you count foods? Becuase they obviously have lots of different kinds of cheeses and hams. The other stuff like the fashion items I doubt you will be able to buy them cheaper there anyway.

>>2813330
It's the same shit. Cheese and ham everywhere. They all taste the same eventually. Imagine paying to eat.

>>2813237
I don't know if I'll be able to make it to Reggio, I think the furthest south will be Tropea. I'm going to rent a car near Cosenza and do a few day trips.

+1 for Verona. I don't think I've been to a better looking city. It's touristy for sure, but that's one of my favorite cities on earth. I got my wife's wedding ring in Verona from a little hole in the wall jewelry shop called Arduini.

>>2815495
I especially love the millions of blacks in it.

A friend just visited Florence recently. He said it was full of jeets.

A part of me died inside that I didn't even know was still living. I've never even been to Italy or Europe, but I had to share that.

>>2815661
Yeah all of Europe turned to Jeets now after Africans and Arabs.

>>2815661
I've also experienced the presence of a lot of "American" jeets. H1B1 fuckers with their wives and ugly kids shitting up the streets of Europe pretending to be americans, speaking english with their ugly accents. America, can you get your H1B1 program under control?

>>2815661
I saw far more jeets in Rome than I saw nigs or arabs.

I'm surprised tourists don't suffer at the hands of soccer fans.
It would be funny to see the average american getting harassed by Napoli or Lazio fans.
You'd think local hooligans would take advantage of foreigners.

>>2815980
What are you even talking about? There are no soccer fans anymore, white people aren't allowed to congregate in groups, that's reserved for the blacks and browns. They jail "soccer fans" as soon as they look at someone funny.

Landing in Rome at around noon tonorrow. Spending two days there, another day in San Giovani Rotondo to see the St Pio shrine, then about seven days of relaxation in Ancona.
How is the city of Ancona and its surroundings? Any recommendations?

>>2816017
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/58331/ancona-asylum-project-deemed-one-of-italys-best
https://www.infomigrants.net/fr/post/55917/336-migrants-disembark-in-ancona-from-ocean-viking

Sounds great to me.

>>2816022
Yeah, I noticed that only two weeks after the hotel was booked. That notwithstanding, I'm still curious about the area as Ancona will really only be where we sleep / wind down for the most part.

>>2806175
take a quick train ride to "polignaro a mare" or whateverthefuck its called, amazing view of the sea and cliffs plus a really nice old town.

>>2815980
unless they win the scudetto and crowd the town square, ultras are not in areas where tourists would think to go
their bars are not top of tripadvisor

>>2815580
i think compared to other touristy cities in italy
verona had the least amount of nonwhites (not zero, never saying that), and outside of infront of the arena i never noticed people approaching tourists to sell some trash for coins

>>2817520
Is there anywhere in Italy to move to that isn't a massive shithole? I just want a cheap city with nice architecture and white people.

>>2817549
No

>>2817561
Come on, really?

>steelix ex
>forretress ex
>scizor ex

Holy shit this is complete bullshit

>>2817549
No every city is fucked.
My advice are some small villages or town in Tuscany,Umbria, Marche, and off course on the alps

>>2817838
Yeah the most expensive ones I presume? If I had money for a $1mil Tuscan villa I wouldn't be looking to move to Italy...

And what if they put 200 "migrants" in a 1000 people village?

>>2817844
Some locals will be unhappy, most won't care because they don't want to be seen as intolerant. The people who mapped out this plan of worldwide mass population replacement by 3rd worlders accounted for everything.

>>2817884
Ok, so where the fuck can I go to open a small business and retire then.

>>2817912
Stay in your own country.

>>2817919
Dude I don't want a fucking Pakistani bus driver who's getting paid twice as much as me to run me over.

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>>2808569
>These multinationals are reshaping the world to be more profitable for them..
C. Langan said it best.

>>2816223
I just came back from Bari, gorgeous place. I visited Polignano a Mare, Monopoli and Trani (kek). Didn't do Matera nor Alberobello because they were a bit further out. Would recommend. The beaches are a bit crowded but the vibe is great, and the water is crystal-clear and really warm (I'm used to colder Atlantic waters).

Is it still unbearably hot in October? Or can I wear pants/jeans around the cities?

Just finished Rome. Here’s my shitty American take.

-the food is outstanding BUT every single place has the exact same menu only with varying degrees of quality
-the women are fucking hot. If you like a nice midriff you are going to be going AWOOGA every 10 seconds.
-the ancient Roman stuff can be condensed down to the Pantheon and the Colosseum. Everything else looks pretty much exactly the same as those two, it’s just a bunch of broken shit all over the city. You see those two things you pretty much saw it all.
-the Vatican is extremely overrated for the hassle. It’s a 6 hour line to get in, overcrowded, and dudes with machine guns restricting where you can go. There are tons of Basilicas that are free, no lines, no security thugs, and everything is just as impressive as anything the Vatican has.
-customer service is absolute dogshit unless you go to some upscale hotel that has American prices.
-mornings and evenings are great in the summer but the midday heat will absolutely melt you down
-Taxis and busses and trains are a rip off, just get a lime scooter, it’s cheaper, faster, and way more convenient.
-for a big city it’s oddly not really a party town. Most places close at midnight and don’t open till 5pm.
-nobody smiles which I thought was really weird. Not necessarily at me but just in general. Everyone walks around super serious looking.
-holy fuck this place is jeeted/nogged/arab’d to the Nth degree, BUT the jeets and Arabs just want you to come into their shop/cafe and are generally polite and not actively a threat. The fucking Africans are a menace.
-the city is surprisingly clean compared to most American cities and there are very few homeless. Business owners hose down their fronts in the morning and the trash collection is efficient. No tent cities or giant garbage hordes like back home.

5/10. Saw what I wanted, won’t come back.

>>2808424
you just have to deal with the inconvenience of wearing the stupid tourist man purse whenever you aren’t in your hotel room. People will see one of them tucked up under your arm pit and you will visibly see the mental thought process where they say “nah” and wait for some other asshole to show up walking around with their wallet in their front pocket. I never felt physically unsafe, the police and carbonara beret guys were EVERYWHERE.

>>2820147
Great summary anon. That was my experience as well.

>>2820147
Thanks, that's useful. Where exactly do the Africans tend to congregate? I will be visiting Rome in a few weeks and I would like to avoid them if possible.

>>2820149
Please tell me I won't have to wear one of those retarded things. Surely as long as I don't look like a very easy mark (ie. a bewildered American boomer) the odds of me being robbed have got to be pretty low?

>>2820540
Sadly, if you leave your phone or wallet in your pocket, there's a chance you'll get pickpocketed. You'll see a lot of people carrying those satchel bags, gypsies are the reason. I wore one and hated it. But it was either that or risk losing my shit, which I didn't want to do. Gypsies are hard to spot since they can easily blend in with southern Europeans.

>>2820540
I saw them mostly on the outskirts of the colosseum and right in deep in the Roman forum. They stay out of eyeshot of the polizia and carbinimeeneemineymoe guys and don’t go anywhere NEAR the paramilitary private security dudes. They will follow you in a pack and harass you and no shit stop dead as soon as they could be seen by those dudes.

I cannot overstate how good the e scooter thing is. They are littered everywhere and give you so much freedom, more so than even having a car because of traffic and narrow one way alleys and you don’t have to get on cramped public transport with smelly brownoids. Don’t walk if you don’t have to, seriously.

>>2820540
The thing is, if you are walking, the streets are so cramped and narrow you will inevitably bump into people and that is all it takes. I went out once without my fag bag because I stripped down to just my phone and I had dudes eyefucking my pockets every block to check what I was carrying.

>>2820546
>>2820567
Thanks guys. I guess I'll end up buying one of those gimpy bags, and I guarantee I'll hate every minute of wearing it.

I take it that carrying a backpack with me is a non-runner? I'm a fairly keen photographer and I really want to bring my DSLR camera with me.

>>2820953
I wouldn't carry valuables in a backpack. It's just not worth the risk.

>>2820953
You can wear a backpack but you better wear it on the front and look like an even bigger retard.

>>2798357
Every social problem in every formerly white dominated country can be traced back to brown and black people. They are a menace to functioning society.

Gotta laugh at the amount of fearful paranoid bedwetters in this thread. The odds of any given person getting robbed in Italy is pretty negligable. Imagine thinking that you can't even carry a backpack or have a wallet in your pocket. This is insane stuff.

>>2821366
You're naive. I was in Italy for 2 years ago for a 2 week trip. Pickpockets tried to get us twice, once in Venice while we were buying a train ticket and a dude tailed us in Florence and I turned to catch him with his hand up about to try a zipper. There were at least a dozen pickpockets working the train station in Venice that I saw.

I have never had another incident in any European country and I go twice a year for 2 weeks.

Didn't know we had an italy thread. I want to do the Dolomites with a group of 4-5 friends next year and i want to start laying out the groundwork to sell them on the trip. Has anyone made the trip to the Dolomites before? Any advice?

>>2796749
lol

>>2821366
It's odd. Like, do people forget that there are real Romans living in Rome? 8 million of them. It's not just a city full of tourists. You mean to tell me that Italians are not wearing jewelry, or watches, or bags, or backpacks, or taking iPhone photos with friends, or wearing purses? Italians not wearing jewelry. Mannaggia americana

>>2821596
Gypsies target tourists you moron.

>>2821366
Nigger it’s risk management. If someone spends thousands of dollars on a trip, they don’t want it to get completely torpedoed because some brownoid lifted their phone. Even if that risk is 1% it’s not worth it, it’s 2025, all your tickets/passes are on your phone, all your reservation confirmations are on your phone, your phone is how you unlock and access public transport, how to pay for things, how to navigate. It’s such a crucial piece of kit.

>>2821668
this. my phone was either strapped to my chest or in my hand at all times. i heard way too many gypsy stories and saw them in action several times. it sucks, and i would bump them and shove them on purpose to express my frustration at having to travel this way, but it is what it is.

>>2820567
>I cannot overstate how good the e scooter thing is.
I lived in Rome for a year. While I agree with you that public transportation is awful and is to be avoided as much as possible, I don't think the scooter is the best alternative. Rome is a city meant to be walked, meant to be appreciated at a slow pace, observing the little details along the way. It is meant to be walked around carelessly, enjoying the little treasures you find on your way.
Piazza Navona and the Parthenon are beautiful in themselves, and only about 8 minutes apart from each other on foot. But the point is not to get from one to the other as fast as possible. The point is to wander around through the little streets, walking in and out of cute little bookshops, look inside the cafes, just enjoy the scenery. You can't do that on top of a scooter going at 20 mph trying to keep your eyes on the road.

Rome is extremely walkable. You can easily do Termini-Vatican on foot without walking through a single ugly or uninteresting area (yeah, ok, Termini is ugly, but you get out of there as fast as you can).

In terms of gypsies and pickpocketers, I only saw them at Termini (train station), around the Colloseum and on public transportation. Just keep your wits about you when there, and enjoy the rest.

Just my $0.02.

>>2821691
lmfao he doesn't even have the mony for the scooter lollllllll

>>2821694
top quality post, buddy

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I might fly to Rome next week or the one after, but I won't know until the very last minute whether I can go or now. If I can go, I'll probably stay 4-5 nights.
From what I can gather, I'll be fucked when it comes to visiting shit that needs a reservation weeks in advance. Thus I suppose I'll be cucked of like half of the shit to visit.
Therefore I intend to do scenic walks and the like. How is the Via Appia Antica, for instance? (and where to stop, it's fucking long). Is it worth it to take the train to castel Gondolfo? Its lake and views look nice.
I'll take any good walking itinerary advice.

>>2810464
From my limited experience in Italy: leather goods, clothes in general, things carved out of olive wood, and specialty food products.
I just love historical and impressive architecture and being able to get a good espresso everywhere. The food is, of course, great.

>>2821596
The native Italians live in the suburbs/outskirts, the city centre is only tourists, migrants and immigrants like romanians

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>>2821673
I bought a rain cover for my backpack to hide the zippers. You're not getting pickpocketed with a rain cover on your bag.

>>2822004
they'll cut it. There are countless reports of gypsies using knives to cut open bags.

>>2822010
Nah. Slick waterproof nylon is very difficult to cut with a knife. You'd have to stab it just to get it started. The pickpockets go for easy targets, people with exposed zippers or phones and wallets in their back pockets.

In Rome, there is an excavated and walled in Roman ruin that they turned into a cat sanctuary. Like 30 cats just chilling in the remains of an ancient temple. Pretty cool.

>>2822166
>they turned into a cat sanctuary
I know the one you mean, but was it intentionally made a cat sanctuary or is it just the way things happened?

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>>2796749
How's Venice?
I'm planning a trip with family in early November... Mostly through Tuscany I imagine, countryside, bit of Florence..

We could Detour to Venice for a bit but I heard the whole city smells of sewage.
Although, I also heard that it's only like that in the Summer... so idk.

>>2822344
If you've seen the photos, then you've seen Venice. No point going really.

>>2822344
Venice is insane on the weekends. Wall to wall people. You can get away from the crowds by going deep into the backstreets, but the area around the Doge palace and the Rialto bridge are a nightmare. But in November, it might not be so bad. The weekdays are pretty chill. Grab a pizza from Pizzeria L'Angelo.

People who say to skip Venice are insane. It's the most unique city you'll ever see in your life. The photos don't do it justice. We just wandered around the city exploring with zero itinerary for 3 days and had a great time. The cathedrals charge like $3 for admission. Don't skip Verona either. It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
I want to go back and check out Treviso next time I'm in Italy and get up into the Dolomites

>>2822362
If you've seen Sydney Sweeny in photos, no point in fucking her.

>>2822365
You would feel the sensation of your penis entering her vagina, which is no different to any other vagina. Her skin feels no different to any other woman's skin. Her breasts feel just like any other slightly-larger-than-average breast size. It's not an experience worth paying for a flight, a hotel and any other necessary costs. Only someone who has not experienced it would think it's worth it.

>>2822389
All of those things you mentioned are way better if there is passion and intimacy involved. Nothing quite like staying in bed with a woman you’re enamored with, and who is with you as well, for a whole day fucking, cuddling, and napping in a mind consuming passion. Everything is way better and it’s like being on drugs the whole time.

>>2822389
Spoken like a true closeted homosexual incel.

>>2822389
This is a level of autism which I haven't encountered before.

>>2822482
Welcome to 4chan.

I'm flying into milan on sept 22
How accurate are these forecasts?
Accuweather says low to mid 20s celsius. This is t-shirt weather for me.

>>2821691
You lived there for a year, of course you could be lackadaisical about it. If you are trying to whirlwind it in 3-4 days or even shorter, walking is just eating up your time. I honestly enjoyed cruising the streets at 20 mph and not having to sidestep and brush through a bunch of other people.

>>2796749
Where is a nice place easily access via train between Rome and Florence to unwind for a day or two? I'm looking for just a pleasant place to walk around, eat, drink in, and avoid the Rome/Florence crowds. I don't are about attractions unless they're the kind of ambient enjoyable thing like a nice piazza or cathedral. I'm considering Siena or Orvieto but happy to hear recs, or even just a take on those two places.

>>2822731
Orvieto is absolutely beautiful, it's an old town built up on a hill. Definitely worth considering. Siena is also amazing, but it might have more of a crowd, because it is one of the big attractions of Tuscany. I can also recommend Lucca, also incredibly beautiful and more than interesting enough for a day.

Italy is probably the most beautiful country on Earth but also check out Spain.

>>2823022
Spain is just a shit Italy tbqh

>>2796749
Italian here. Stay away from the big cities.
If they're not pozzed yet, they will be.

Least pozzed ones I'd say... either extreme south or extreme north.
>so durrr Milan?
No. I mean places that are so far north you're still legally in Italy, but everyone speaks german

>>2823402
>extreme south
Naples is super pozzed, Palermo is super pozzed. Bari is also pretty bad. Where exactly do you mean? Calabria?

>>2823405
Shit, meant to say middle south: Abruzzo, Molise, places like that. Sorry for the typo.

Either middle south or extreme north.
AVOID:
>pretty much every single big city in Tuscany (btw I'm Tuscan from Arezzo)
>the actual extreme south (based people but full of niggers)
>Val Padana (pozzed Californian type shitheads + some nogs but the nogs are the based ones here)

DO CONSIDER:
>Bolzano and its provincial towns
>Abruzzo
>Molise
>Marche (warning! extreme levels of comfyness here! pick ONLY if you have inhuman levels of negro/albanian fatigue)

And of course always prefer small towns to big cities. For obvious reasons, but also some lesser obvious ones... For example:
Big city = police
Small town = carabinieri

And in my experience the Carabinieri do NOT fuck around, they're quite based

>>2823402
American here in Milan. There are as many darkies here as there are in the states, the non blacks are just Indian+Mid Eastern instead of Mexican.
All of the Italians I've interacted with have been cool though. I've spent 3 days here and I'm leaving tomorrow, and I'd say that was probably the perfect amount of time for me. I enjoyed it.
>>2823407
>And of course always prefer small towns to big cities.
And do what while I'm there? I don't speak Italian.

>>2823420
>And do what while I'm there? I don't speak Italian.
I was answering the OP question about permanently moving to Italy (at least that's how I interpreted "is it worth moving to Verona"

For tourism you can do any tourist trap and be fine

>>2823422
>the OP question
Oh yeah, I forgot about that sorry.
But speaking of pozzed Milan, I've seen "ACAB" graffitied in several places. Sorry that American libtards seem to have infected some of your people.
Also I did some shopping, and I knew that euros got raped with taxes- but VAT is fucking 22%? Ridiculous. Luckily I can get most of it refunded when I leave.
Also just out of curiosity after rereading the OP I looked up income tax rates in Italy, and if the calculator I used is right then my effective income tax rate would be almost 40%... it's hard for me to imagine anything more pozzed than paying so much in taxes.

>>2823434
>Luckily I can get most of it refunded when I leave
do some research before, don't leave it all for the last minute. There's usually all kinds of tricks to keep you from getting your money back (like opening up only one booth at the airport to process the refund, good luck with that wait in line). Sometimes you can get it refunded at some office in the city, not just at the airport.

>it's hard for me to imagine anything more pozzed than paying so much in taxes.
yeah, they say we get it back in public health, education and security. Haven't seen much of that lately...

>>2823434
Well, the thing about income taxes is you gotta pay them only if you do have an income.

Debt? You gotta pay that regardless.

I prefer our tax-heavy system to your debt-heavy system. Simply because I can stop working if I feel like it, whereas if you're in debt you're stuck.

>>2823531
I'm not sure what you mean, do you not have to pay for rent, food, clothes, utilities, etc? And you're still paying VAT on purchases right? We have sales tax in the US which is similar but on a local level. It's about 8% where I'm from.
If you want to stop working in the US and live as a homeless beggar you can, and if you're in debt and you don't have any income you don't get thrown in prison or anything. You can declare bankruptcy, you'll lose whatever assets you have and your credit will be fucked for a while but it isn't the end of the world.
There's also nobody forcing you to go into debt. You don't have to go to an expensive college, get into credit card debt, buy a car, or buy a house. A lot of people are just financially illiterate or want to live above their means.
I definitely prefer to keep as much of the money I've earned as possible, it enables me to do things like take trips overseas even though I'm not rich.

>>2823564
I don't have rent, I own my house and the mortgage was fully paid in 2010.
Quit my job in May of 2024 and I just chilled, used up like 2000 euros all year for food and bills, you can live really cheaply in Italy if you're smart and don't have vices. I also didn't pay for my car, just walked around the city and lost a lot of weight as a result. Just been chillin at the age of 27, still got plenty of money left from my job but I will have to figure something out in a couple years.

In the US I'd be forced to work to pay the health insurance, and the likely large debts I'd have incurred from college, credit cards, etc.

Italy just has more freedom. Don't want to work? Then don't.

>About 9.5% of Rome's population is non-Italian, with half the immigrant population having European origins
>4.8% is comprised of immigrants with non-European origins, particularly Filipinos, Bangladeshis, Peruvians and Chinese
Visiting Rome tomorrow, first time in Italy. As someone who has lived in the worst parts of England, how is this bad?

>>2824205
Because they're cooking the books. The government lies about everything else, what makes you think they're being honest about the migration figures, when you know no one is happy about it? You can see it with your own eyes, Italians are a minority in Rome, it's all Africans now.

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Im traveling to Rome next week from Kentucky with the sole purpose of beating the ever loving tar out of Romanian pickpocketers. I have ordered this shirt and will be wearing it for the duration of my trip. If any of you see me please point out any pickpockets you see thank you

>>2825397
I had the same idea. None came near me though.

>>2824207
I saw mostly Jeets and Arabs. There were minor packs of nogs here and there but I’d say “mostly” is an exaggeration.

>>2823407
>Carabinieri do NOT fuck around, they're quite based

This. The Italian police are cucks. Caribbeaner dudes are straight up giga chad nog repellent. If you are up super early in the morning, say 0630 or so, find the cafe these guys get there morning coffee and breakfast at because it’s probably the best place in the neighborhood.