>>2820357
Make sure and buy a rainbow flag shirt. Yankees are massive leftards

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John Adams claimed the six states of New England were superior to the other seven original colonies by dint of the inhabitants being 'of purer English stock'. I wonder what he'd think of the place today?

Anyway, enjoy your time there, OP, as its history is absolutely fascinating and there are some amazing sites to see (especially pre-Revolutionary and Revolutionary-era ones)

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a rich industrial heritage

>>2820487
>I wonder what he'd think of the place today?
He would view the place as a demographic disaster considering that they had to import a bunch of Irishmen in order to beat their rebellious inbred cousins down south.

>>2820449
This

>>2820487
They still are superior. New England isn't hyper-sprawling and generic like the rest of America - their towns are compact and full of old buildings. Burlington, Vermont is the most health-conscious city in America, if seeing fat people scarfing down goyslop disgusts you.
>>2820449
Not so much "leftard" as self-righteous to the nth degree. They think that supporting le oppressed homos and negros is a moral obligation.
>>2820357
Salem is kind of a tourist trap, but that area of the Mass coast is definitely worth exploring, especially if you want to see what America's founders originally intended the country to become. In midsummer it's more fun, because all the rich girls are showing skin in their summer clothes, but I guess you can still enjoy it in the autumn months (unless it's cold pouring rain).

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>>2821449
how tf is vermont considered new england? it's way too french

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>>2821506
Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine all have sizable populations of French Canadian ancestry - about 7% of each state. The Frenchies have a reputation for being kinda trashy and low-class. As the French were known to fornicate with and marry the native women, their genetics contain a percentage of Native American admixture.

Overall, Vermont is an American oddity. The most Democratic state, and also one of the most rural. The idea of clearing a tract of forest for McMansion sprawl is anathema to Vermonters. Unfortunately, drug use has permeated the lower classes in recent years and led to social degradation in formerly idyllic Vermont towns.

As a vagabond, I found Maine to be the best New England state to explore. The coastal villages are so beautiful, you get that feeling in summertime especially that everyone is living their best lives. As you go inland, things get rougher and more backwoods, although there are still pockets of town life where businesses thrive with summer visitor traffic. Mainers try to be friendly and nice (because that's the moral thing to do), but many of them have strong introverted personalities, and they do not relish the idea of being buttonholed for a chat by a random stranger. Aroostook County is particularly unfriendly toward outsiders.

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Drag queen performs in a public park in Mathias, Maine.

>>2821449

>Burlington, Vermont is the most health-conscious city in America, if seeing fat people scarfing down goyslop disgusts you.

That's because everyone is on drugs, that's how they all stay skinny. And you you can't be spending money on shit food if you spent all of it buying Fent.

>>2821535
are you recommending it?

>>2820357
Seconding OP. Need some spooky recs for Maine and New Hampshire

>>2821719
>Seconding OP. Need some spooky recs for Maine and New Hampshire
When I was a kid, whenever we were driving on the Kancamagus highway, my father would tell us to keep a lookout for hippies on the side of the road because they were known to make a chain across the road, stop cars, then butcher everyone inside.

>>2820357
Salem is a shitshow in october and that city/area already has a shitload of traffic problems. Go to spend money and get lost in crowds. If you want to watch the leaves change in MA its kind of a crapshoot and depends on when its starts getting cold. Predictably the color creeps down from the north so you might have a drive to find "peak" CT is questionably New England and is more New York City lite.

If you want something spooky MA has lots of folklore. New england is small enough to drive around in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PitG77LdxHg

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>>2821856
>Hippie roadblock, joke, toke or smoke
Either tell a joke or offer something to smoke (weed or tobacco). Then you can be on your way.
>>2821697
All those coastal villages are really neat and idyllic. Yes, I recommend cruising the whole Maine coast and stopping at each one of them. Camden has a waterfall that tumbles into the sea, as well as a high hill offering a scenic vista of the town. I slept in my van in the municipal parking lot downtown, it was very quiet, dark and peaceful.

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Wrong picture, that was in the White Mountains near the Cog Railway (where hikers famously moon the train passengers as they go by).

>>2821863
New England does seem comfy in general, but then I am English so maybe it's the historic links that make it appeal to me.

>>2821719
Portsmouth is nice, I lived there for a few years. Go see the White Mountains, skip Manchester and Concord.

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>>2822107
Exeter and Littleton are also cute little towns. Other New Hampshire towns are overly car-centric and sprawly by New England standards. Conway, for instance. Laconia was kinda devoid of life downtown when I visited, but they have a big motorcycle rally there every year. Overall, Vermont and Maine have more cute towns than NH does.

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The sandy beaches are worth visiting if the weather is warm. Be careful of onerous street parking restrictions and ripoff prices for beach lots. Salisbury Beach during summer had sooo many hot teenies walking around. Lots of cuties in Rockport, Mass as well. New Hampshire's Hampton Beach was a more generic beach getaway, big crowds but not too many eye-catching faces. In Maine, Old Orchard Beach is the main sandy stretch, but I found York Beach attractive in summertime as well. Lots of people out in the streets even past 10 PM. The tradition of rich people spending their summers living in leisure on the New England coast still persists.

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Maine versus Michigan...
Michigan has much, much better free forest camping options, but stealth camping in Maine was surprisingly easy to find, and I never got bothered by anyone even when parking in random vacant lots. Michigan's lakeside towns are more car-centric and had less street life in summer, while the heavy, snail-paced traffic along the Maine coast encouraged residents to walk and bicycle around town.

Michigan women were nearly all pudgy, pasty and dressed like slobs; that was not the case in Maine, where slim tanned rich girls in cute outfits were a frequent sight. Michigan farmer's markets had excellent produce (asparagus, cherries, berries, etc) at better prices than Maine, but Maine's restaurants were more noteworthy. Michiganders are unpretentious heartland Americans and easier to talk to than Mainers, who tend to be private characters not too interested in interacting with strangers.

>>2822131
Anything westward of the Appalachians is inherently less SOVL than, say, New England or the Carolinas by dint of being less settled and explored in the pre-Revolutionary period. The southerly states like Texas and Arizona and California also have rich histories, with many pre-Columbian and Spanish colonial sites to explore. Michigan is just an uncultured hive, if we're being honest, no matter how good some of the wilderness may be (and even that pales in comparison to the states out West)

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For me, it's Virginia

>>2822329
Michigan still has its perks, especially if you like being surrounded by big deciduous shade trees. Finding a shady parking spot or campsite on a sunny summer day can be a real pain in the ass in the western states. Yeah, the scenery out here in the Intermountain West makes for better photos, but up close it can be awfully dry and barren-looking, not green and full of life like the Great Lakes region. Plentiful clean water to bathe or swim in is a big plus. Michigan was a polluted industrial shithole with hardly any big trees in the 1960s, so it's very heartening to see how nature has healed over the course of a few decades of protection.
>uncultured hive
Their town libraries are very nice, even though they see very few patrons.

>>2823081
What're your favourite places in the US?

>>2822131
>>2822689
>>2823081
>>2823315
This is a New England thread

>>2823337
Yeah, but outside of the US everyone means the original 13 colonies when they say New England, so Virginia would count
Also, when you ask a person's favourite US state they're only really referring to the 13 + California, Hawaii, Florida and Texas

>>2820357
Avoid Rhode Island, it’s a shithole

>>2822107
Portsmouth is great

>>2823368
>outside of the US everyone means the original 13 colonies when they say New England
no the fuck they don't
the average foreigner who's heard the term "new england" saw some moodboard of fall foliage, small cozy towns and little colleges and snowy mountains and covered bridges. you can't tell me georgia qualifies, or that they know virginia's colonial history

>>2821296
Sorry, but Manchester is a fucking shithole. Called Manchvegas for a reason. It's where rubes go for "big city glitz". Dirty streets and junkies everywhere, nothing scenic about the place, but a fuckton of bars and restaurants on the sole street that passes for "city".

>>2821449
>Burlington, Vermont is the most health-conscious city in America
10-20 years ago I'd agree, but I think >>2821615 is onto something.
Burlington's still cool, but it's come down a lot in the last decade. There's junkies everywhere. City politics are a shit-show. It kind of has a Lord of the Flies thing going on now. The skinny people of Burlington's probably more to do with the very young population and the sheer amount of drug addicts.

>>2822124
>>2822107
Karen capital of the fucking world.
Where I am now and it's comfy in terms of safety, everything's clean and nice, but the people here are all the most turbo-normie fat rich boomers I've ever encountered. There is zero chill here.
I'm told the place was very different a decade ago.

Visiting for a few days, this would seem like the perfect town. Living here: it's like a luxury retirement home for woke boomers who think they're 25.

>>2823513
>Sorry, but Manchester is a fucking shithole. Called Manchvegas for a reason.
It’s called that because there was a shitload of illegal gambling in the city for years, you fucking retard. It’s not the best place, but it has its charms, and the nature just outside the city is great.

>>2823515
The whole state is beautiful, Karens or no Karens

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>>2823337
Yeah, and we can compare New England to other parts of the country if we want to. Traveling other parts of America, I typically spend most of my time in natural areas, but in New England, I spent most of my time in town, because the towns were so much more pleasant in June and July than the bug-infested woods.
>>2823371
Very little public land in the state, a lower percentage than any other state - and it's already the smallest state, so that's saying a lot. However, Providence is reputed to be a really cool city. RI and ND are the only two contiguous states I have never visited.

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Big difference between the thriving summer streets of the prosperous coastal villages and the dead downtowns of the stagnant interior. Millinocket, ME versus Rockport, MA

I'm going to Burlington Vermont September 30-31st. anyone got food recs?

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Norwalk - see the shore, go shopping in SONO
New Haven - walk around Yale, visit coffee shops, best pizza in the nation on Wooster St., Grove Street Cemetery - one of the oldest cemeteries in the country
*if you go East across 95*
Madison - Hammonasset Beach
East Lyme - Rocky Neck State Park, 'The Book Barn' is nearby
Mystic - sleepy old seaport, pizza, old shops, antiques
*if you follow the river North up 91*
West Hartford - affluent area, many great restaurants, visit Trinity College, walk through Elizabeth park
*go East to farm country - beautiful twisty roads through the woods*
Storrs - visit UCONN - Storrs Cemetery, go to the Dairy Bar (best ice cream in the state), take a walk through Mansfield Hollow in the fall, lots of old stone walls here
North Hampton MA - great little town, always doing something festive for the season
Amherst MA - another affluent town (this whole area is great actually), Main St. area feels like fall, visit UMass

There are antique shops and pumpkin patches all over the state. You can do a google search.
The Big E us the annual New England fair, but ends Sep 28th. It's great.
I'm not around Boston that often, but obviously it's one of America's great cities, so stop there.

Honestly, what I like to do is wake up early, and just take a drive out somewhere like pic rel - visit some coffee place I haven't seen before. It's the right season for it.
Ol' New England can be pretty chill. It's expensive, but the schools are good and it has lots of high paying jobs.

>>2824024
>stagnant interior
new england reminds me of cornwall here in england, the coast is full of beautiful villages inhabited by rich interlopers who've left the big city whilst the interior is poor af but everyone overlooks it for romantic reasons

>>2824022
>Providence is reputed to be a really cool city
Maybe some people find it cool, but it isnt super cool if you are looking for some interesting traditionally New England type of place. The rhode island accent, let alone more specific ri regional accents, is dying out because the younger generations just speak in generic amerimutt. The parts of the city that arent rich and white are turning into a miniature south american third world country, and everyone is stoned out of their minds, especially while driving. Even the traditionally corrupt italian mob mayoral role has been replaced with a (n equally corrupt) gay man married to a real estate mogul. Everything, from the Washington bridge to the schools, is decaying. There are some cool stores and sites in the nice parts but really Providence has no mediocre attractions that don't have their own equivalents in more enjoyable RI places that also have stuff like shipyards and beaches.
tldr: Probably fun 50 years ago, but not worth your time today.

Should I cancel my New England leaf peeping trip this year? I heard it was gonna be a bad year. Just how disappointing is it gonna be?

>>2825745
check with the fall foliautists.

https://www.explorefall.com/fall-foliage-map

Is late October still a crowded month for Franconia Notch and White Mountain National Forest in general?

>>2827797
Probably not.
The week after Columbus day? Yeah, it'll still be a little busy.
Two weeks? By then most of the leaves there are on the ground and the people up there are locals (as in within day trip distance) there to get hikes in before it gets snowy.

Rate my super spooky Halloween themed New England road trip itinerary:

>Day 0: arrive in Sleepy Hollow NY at night. See the pumpkin blaze.
>Day 1: head to Hartford CT, with maybe a stop at Holy Land USA on the way. Hang out in Hartford for the day, see some sites. Need to see the Witches Dungeon museum one town over.
>Day 2: either drive to Salem MA or wake up there after driving here last night, not sure. Spend the day in Salem, set up base there.
>Day 3: either a day trip to Portland ME for the Cryptozoological museum and other stuff, or somewhere in New Hampshire. Maybe Hammond Castle in Gloucester MA. Idk this day is up in the air.
>Day 4: leave Salem, stop in Boston and see something cool there. Head home from Boston.

Thoughts? And if you have any October/halloween themed attractions you recommend that I missed and you'd recommend, I'd appreciate it

>>2827927
Just le drive around le bridgeport and le look at le niggers xD

>>2827927
the spookiest thing about hartford is how fucking soulless and boring it is

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>>2827927
>Day 0: arrive in Sleepy Hollow NY at night. See the pumpkin blaze.
-Not New England
>>Day 1: head to Hartford CT, with maybe a stop at Holy Land USA on the way. Hang out in Hartford for the day, see some sites. Need to see the Witches Dungeon museum one town over.
-CT is questionably New England.
>>Day 2: either drive to Salem MA or wake up there after driving here last night, not sure. Spend the day in Salem, set up base there.
-If you havent booked a hotel you're in trouble.
>>Day 3: either a day trip to Portland ME for the Cryptozoological museum and other stuff, or somewhere in New Hampshire. Maybe Hammond Castle in Gloucester MA. Idk this day is up in the air.
-That sounds cool. can I come?
>>Day 4: leave Salem, stop in Boston and see something cool there. Head home from Boston
-Fuck Salem from 01 october to 03 november.
(Halloween is a friday this year.)

Salem is cool, but in October its basically a theme park. It has gotten so out of hand in the past few years the town has started discouraging people from driving in so they can be bussed in like cattle and not completely fuck up the already fucked up local traffic.

>>2828891
>Not New England
It's close enough, it's on the way, and it's spooky themed
>CT is questionably New England.
In what world?
>If you havent booked a hotel you're in trouble.
You're prob right. I'll find one though.
>That sounds cool. can I come?
Mmmmmm....no. I don't want to be slowed down and distracted.
>Salem is cool, but in October its basically a theme park.
Well yeah, that's why I'm going. I'd like to see it during the festivities when it's most interesting

>>2827922
I hiked North Twin Mountain after a snowstorm in late October. It was icy and treacherous, and I had no gear besides a stick, but the trees encrusted with thick frost were an amazing sight.

>>2827797
All depends on the weather. If rainy weather sets in, the visitors disappear.

I liked taking my shoes off and wading mountain creeks barefoot when it was snowy outside. Tests your pain tolerance.

>>2820487
There quite a few places in new england filled with non-white welfare bums just wasting oxygen like Lawrence and brockton and pawtucket. He'd be revolted. However there are plenty of WASPs around.

>>2823515
Millenials ruined that city. It was very different, but the whole of NH has been gentrified by people who idolize new england. The old feel of everywhere here has been replaced by sterilized millenial tumblr/pintrest-esque bullshit.

Salem Massachusetts had the same thing happen. It used to be an actual town, now it's like an open-air theme park. I used to love spending the night with my uncle who has a house in downtown salem for halloween as a kid/teen, but now it's so full of influencers from around the world that it's no longer enjoyable.

>>2831867
It serves Lawrence right. It's named after Charles Lawrence, the guy who committed the first ethnic cleansing in modern history, tearing the Acadiens away from their homes. It's only right that his namesake would be a swarthy shithole.

That aside, Lawrence is alright if you're into urban exploring.

>>2820357

So I get the New England got hit hard by de-industrialization, but what industries are still out there besides retail, fishing, education, and tech (Boston)? Asking for a friend.

>>2820449
This.

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>>2820357
How does this compare to Jamestown museums in the South?

>>2832613
Shouldn't you be glad they still care about our history at all at this point?

>>2832952
Tech med and wahlburgers