Hello, /trv/Does anyone here live in, or has lived in, the city of Pittsburgh, PA? Talk about how good it is if so. I am seriously considering moving since it seems to be reasonably priced, somewhat nice and closer to my family. I live in Charlotte, NC right now, and the costs are similar but this place is a hellhole plus I don't know anyone. Alternatively, has anyone here moved elsewhere from a Charlotte-like city? How did you pick it?
>>2820408hello i am living in pittsburgh. i am renting downtown apartment for 2400/mo each. it is very lovely. hidden gem, and you delete this thread
>>2820409I live in Seattle for $820/mo plus utilities and don’t you dare insinuate your little rust belt butthole town is somehow cooler or better. $2400 a month is retarded even if you are a high earner.Hidden gem my fucking ass
>>2820408Never been to Pittsburgh itself, but western Pa is really nice with its geography and small town vibes
>>2820409>>2820410Well Seattle has weather that would certainly make me kill myself. I'm paying more than $1000 a month to rent in a suburban area of Charlotte and it's just ass. Charlotte is probably a lot like Seattle; cool and cheaper than other backwaters nearby, but also so far away from real population centers that the savings vanish. What safeish areas can be had around 1200 per month in Pittsburgh? I agree $2400 is retarded; for reference I earn $21 an hour working retail for a national chain right now.
If you're in Charlotte, I'd go to Charleston and find something near the beach. Fuck cold ass Pittsburgh. You're going to hate it up north. Bad weather. Shitty people.
>>2820409$2400 a month for Pittsburgh? I pay that in Southern California to live on a resort 5 miles from Laguna Beach.
>>2820512I co-sign this plan
>>2820512South Carolina is a shit hole.
>>2820414What the fuck are you talking about? Seattle has the most beautiful summer weather of any region in America. Sunshine, low humidity, sparse rainfall and 70s high temps are the norm. Any direction you go, there is unique and spectacular nature. Pittsburgh is just as gray and dreary in wintertime as Seattle, but it sees more snow and colder winter temperatures due to its inland location. Pittsburgh summers are more hot and humid than Seattle. There are no spectacular national parks near Pittsburgh either.In my experience, Pennsylvania folks are good people, better than much of the rest of the country. Their state is rustic enough that they're down to earth and unpretentious, but not full-on retarded hillbilly tier like West Virginia. A friend of mine who took a vacation in Pittsburgh remarked on the excellent quality of service at the restaurants there, compared to Colorado. >>2820513>>2820409This is an imageboard. Can't you faggots post some pics so we have an idea what kind of apartments you're talking about? >>2820660Mount Pleasant, Charleston currently tops the list as the Whitest incorporated city over 80K population in America.
>>2820408Charlotte is probably the easiest place to meet people. Extremely transplant dominated and everyone lives in the same 3 neighborhoods.
>>2820672>There are no spectacular national parks near Pittsburgh either.uh no but there's TONS of cool mountains 3-4 hours awaypittsburgh has a really small, compact downtown, it's obviously fallen on hard times and was more bustling in the steel boom days of the 50s and 60s but, there's tons of housing - in every direction, large and small, and plenty of interestingly designed historic older homes. It doesn't have a whole lot of character but it does have some interesting bridges and it seems pretty dominated by the healthcare industry now. The benefit is you have a real airport, a decent system of highways, and access to tons and tons of nearby mountains because you are already on the plateau and the plateau spreads out for hundreds of miles to the north and south and you have prime highway access to it.The downside I felt like the roads were pretty clogged and the streetlights were just insanely slow timed - like they were trying to trap you there, and the system of bridges to enter and exit the city can be kinda terrifying and confusing, and of course there's some diversity, not as bad as other places, but there are bad neighborhoods with lots of abandoned homes.
>>2820672>defending backwater retards like Pennsylvanians >metric for how good a city is is "how white" it isDo you subject everyone to your idiocy or is it just online?
>>2820678Charlotte people are all asswipes though. Besides, people in their late 20s don't just "meet people".
I lived in Pittsburgh for a few years, maybe my favorite place to live. It’s a historically significant place with some great architecture and European immigrant flavor. Lots to offer for a city its size.I think most of the migration pattern we’ve seen in the US lately has been people moving from cities like Pittsburgh to cities like Charlotte. So you are against the trend. Biggest downside for Pittsburgh is cold, gray winters.
>>2820696>Biggest downside for Pittsburgh is cold, gray winters.this summer has been piping hot and harsh direct sun every single day with barely a cloudI WELCOME cold gray wintersPittsburgh you are just a few hours away from some really cool gorges - but bitches don't know about those. They only think in National Parks.
>>2820696>I think most of the migration pattern we’ve seen in the US lately has been people moving from cities like Pittsburgh to cities like Charlotte. So you are against the trend.Well from my view, the only people moving to Charlotte are 30 somethings with a college degree working in finance.Meanwhile as a bonafide loser, there's not much opportunity, the weather is too hot in the summer, and there's nothing worth looking at. For a colonial era city, Charlotte has nothing of historical value.
>>2820678Transplants are the worst people to meet. They are willing to rip out their roots and discard the whole life their ancestors built for them in order to pursue success in a generic suburban muttsprawl environment. Every time they meet someone, they think, "will association with this person be able to benefit me in any way?" If yes, then they will keep you in their orbit for future use. If no, they will discard you on the spot. My family lives in NC and I fucking hate the newly developed parts of the state. It's quintessential soulless, rootless, impersonal, NPC goycattle utopia. >>2820688And of course, these disgusting transplant "people" despise the deeply rooted, genuine, good-hearted Americans with a passion. They WORSHIP the hustle and can't stand being around anyone who doesn't put money above all else in life.
>>2820719>Well from my view, the only people moving to Charlotte are 30 somethings with a college degree working in finance.Lot's people in their 20's in the center neighborhoods of Charlotte. I think South End probably has average age of like 27
>>2820681Downtown? Nobody hangs out in downtown. People go to Bloomfield/Shadyside/Oakland/the South Side etc>Tons of housingThe housing stock is pretty shit imo in the city. Lots of old decrepit houses, or new condos. The North or South hills are pretty comfy>There's some diversity, not as bad as other places, but there are bad neighborhoods with lots of abandoned homes.Pittsburgh is pretty segregated still with nig containment zones. There were like 2 black kids in my high school
>>2820745There's just a TON of housing in general, especially more affordable looking stuff and older homes - relative to the surrounding areas. And Pittsburgh also has a ton of carefully constructed older mansions with rich architectural details - some abandoned, some well preserved and often one next to the other. It's hard to figure out, as a traveler, which parts of the city are the bad segregated parts vs good. Also, Pittsburgh is much hillier than most mid Atlantic cities and that sets it apart - you have some homes perched on what look like impossibly steep hills from afar.
>>2820741They're all yuppies in any case. Nothing for the working class slaves to do in this sterile, generic city, especially since the rent will be at least 66% of income.
>>2820410Care to share which neighborhood you live in if you're only paying $820 for rent? Are you splitting a three bedroom 5 ways or something?
>>2821038>splittingFuck no. I have my own “apartment” and bathroom, one of seattles liberal bleesings.I won’t drop my hood but I’m happy to help a seattleanon, prospective or otherwise. Go to apodment dot coom>apodment dot coom
>>2821052What kind of stupid faggot fuck are you? Did you think any of that was actually funny enough to post?
>>2821038I've found those apartments, they are 310 sq ft studios with shared kitchens and bathrooms. They are TERRIBLE as any minorities that move in instantly shit it up. I almost considered moving to one of them before I looked them up a bit more.
>>2820410>I live in Seattle for $820/mo plus utilities Bro living in an income restricted hell scape lmao
>>2821109Where’s the humor you faggot? He asked I answered>>2821112There’s a shared kitchen yes, but you can just get an air fryer and hot plate and disable the smoke alarm and wallah you can cook anything you want in your room. >muh minorities I honestly never see my neighbors. Maybe it’s my schedule but it’s quiet. Sometimes I encounter them in the stairwell and it’s momentarily awkward because Seattloids love to do this bs where they stop on the landings and wait for you to pass instead of just sliding past you as you come down (I don’t), but other than that it’s quiet, peaceful, and I don’t mind it.Not sure if you knew this also but generally speaking PNW also stands for Pussy Nigga World. All the niggas in Seattle are cornball bitch niggas stuck in 2005. It’s either that or mop head nafri bitches in puffer jackets. Ive started to slick my hair back and I’m gonna get a loiter jacket and then it’s game over.Also, can you guys tell me the protocol for getting hookies on Aurora Ave? I wanna try it out Thanks
>>2821118I can see why you spend so much time on 4channel.org when your life is like this
>>2820728Haha good. I think the Carolinas suck anyway. Only actual niggers from the Bronx have family in the Carolinas, at least the ones I ever met.Entire state looked soulless anyway. Glad the East Coast healthcare workers are boning you hard.Good, keeps them out for the Midwest.Fuck the East Coast
>>2820408Pittsburgh is also called Shittsburgh by locals due to the weather. Mostly grey and rainy a lot.Cool city though, I've been twice. If you're a college student at University of Pittsburgh, it was a cool spot since the buses were frequent and useful.It's been like fuckin 15 years since I've visited. The view driving in though is crazy since the skyline comes into view like fucking Manhattan from the intro tunnel, it was nuts.Seemed ok otherwise, though if you're limited on funds idk. I would only move there if I had some kind of tech job lined up.
>>2821147Are you kidding me, I’m cooking lamb, steak, chicken, hard boiled eggs in this hoe. It’s amazing. Don’t insult Bella
>>2821235>tech job>Pittsburgh Do you even know what you're talking about? And no shit, moving anywhere with a cushy do-nothing job would be fine.
>>2821038Nobody shakes hands with their roommates and agree to split an apartment anymore in the low-trust society that America has become. A property management corporation like Alcove Rooms rents to each tenant individually. >>2821112The rooms with en-suite bathrooms cost a little more, but being able to poo and shower whenever you like is worth an extra $100 or $150 per month.>310 square feetAs someone who has stayed in plenty of 150 square foot rooms while traveling, 310 square feet is plenty of space for a single guy. My one-bedroom apartment is 454 square feet total (I measured it out) and can easily fit a gathering of six people in the living room. >>2821118>shared kitchenThat's a private room you're renting, not an apartment, so your rent figure is a typical going rate for such a room in an area with a lot of students or young singles. $800 is what my brother pays in Raleigh for his room near NC State. He is anti-social and has a bad relationship with his roommates, but he stays in his bedroom virtually 100% of his free time, so they avoid each other pretty well.Fuck that. I have my own space with windows facing in three directions. I have no neighbors. I can blast music and smoke weed in my apartment if I want to. My last cohabitation experience in Death Valley was extremely shitty, sharing a room with a dirty, anti-social loser who taped a blackout shade over the window because he hated natural light. The room reeked of spoiled food, and his stuff was strewn in piles everywhere. He spent virtually 100% of his free time laying in bed behind the curtains he strung up.>>2821282You cook steaks in an air fryer?
>>2821362Pittsburgh is all tech jobs, healthcare, or banking shit bud
>>2820408Stay out
>>2821441Uhh steel city? Heinz?
Any similar cities to Pittsburgh in New York State?
>>2821926Rochester would be really cool if they kicked out all the blacks.
>>2820728based>>2820749>Also, Pittsburgh is much hillier than most mid Atlantic cities and that sets it apart - you have some homes perched on what look like impossibly steep hills from afar.The hills and architecture combine to give it a really cool aura. There are bridges everywhere and hollows and valleys and weird random hidden things and it just has this vibe sort of Appalachian and mysterious. It is the opposite of soulless flat suburbia.>>2821109based
>>2821435Yea dude 12 minutes flipped halfway through on 400
I love Pittsburgh, strongly considering moving there or Columbus and getting out of my Maryland, DC area hell hole.
>>2821052>Fuck no. I have my own “apartment” and bathroom, one of seattles liberal bleesings.>>2821118>There’s a shared kitchen yesBrother you're living in a glorified airbnb unit
What about Poughkeepsie?
I lived in Pittsburgh (South Side Flats) for a year. I found it disappointing after the initial excitement wore off.
>>2824743explain
>>2824817I had a hard time finding common ground with people. It's a weirdly insular place
>>2824902NYC might be more your speed
>>2824902Same impression that I got when I visited the city last month. People there are neighborly and helpful, but they tend to keep to themselves.
Pittsburgh still has a provincial vibe.That may be what you were picking up on.
>>2824902Tell me you don't hunt whitetail without telling me you don't hunt whitetail.
>>2825450It's the only city in Appalachia.
>>2823698Who fucking cafes you yelping faggot? As long as I can shut out the outer world when I close my door and have complete privacy and personal pooper and shower stall I do not give a fuck muh glorified Airbnb.Shut up Normie faggot. I’m saving insane amounts of money and rolling dominos points every week. Shut up
>>2820410Seattle>stage 5 jeet infestation>worst male-to-female ratio in the country (yes, even worse than SF)>most troons per capita >cloudy and grey 270 days a yearIt also bills itself as a "tech hub" which is technically true but there's zero startup infrastructure. Total company town. Every single person you meet: "Hi my name is Kayden/Pooshit and I'm a Software Engineer level 6.01-C45 at Amazon"If you've ever wondered what it's like to be surrounded by noodle-armed dudes who haven't gotten laid in 2.5 years, are really into indoor rock climbing, and religiously watch John Oliver you should definitely go to Seattle.
>>2825545>It also bills itself as a "tech hub" which is technically true but there's zero startup infrastructure. And yet ironically to boot the locals have low tech literacy and most the professional workforce don't take advantage of existing innovations to be more productive and competitive. It's like most of the businesses in the area are 20 years behind trends.
>>2825518Hey securityfag, have you checked out Seattle Dojo yet?
>>2825603No why would I? I don’t want to be near other people or out in public
>>2824743>South Side FlatsI nearly had to shoot someone there and on a separate occasion was followed for a couple blocks by some guys who tried to sell me meth. A friend of a friend got stabbed and died there. A family member's workplace there got shot up while nobody was there at night probably just out of boredom. Pittsburgh is a pretty safe city but the Flats are kind of a shithole.
>>2825605Kodokan has a cheap hostel for judo practitioners in Tokyo, not a bad way to visit the city. Some of the people at Seattle Dojo go to Japan pretty often and probably have tips on making it more affordable. Getting some exercise would also be good for you physically and psychologically. What are you doing working a low-requirement normie job in a city if you hate the public? Why not go somewhere with fewer people?
>>2825608I’m regularly making this much per week to essentially do nothing while also paying below the national average rent for my own living space + walkable city + very agreeable weather 90% of the year + strong “I don’t want to be bothered” culture AND there’s hookers, though I’m weary to give it a go
>>2825614 don't mess with hookers if you're planning on having kids
I want to move south desuIt's way easier to sneak a vacation into a 10hour drive than a 16 hour one, you can essentially leave at sunset
>>2825606I almost got into two fights my first week there. Looking back, I probably should have realized it wasn't going to work out sooner.
>>2825606>>2825725I misspoke. My stories are from South Side Slopes on the other side of East Carson Street. South Side Flats has a sketchy block or two but is mostly pretty solid and has some higher-cost housing.
>>2821118>Bragging about living in an SRO
>>2821235>Pittsburgh is also called Shittsburgh by localsYeah no one says that
>>2821118You are a 5'6 indian virgin
lmao pittsburgh is not real you fucking retards
>>2821457You're several decades out of date, senpai. Most middle class manufacturing jobs went out the window with de-industrialization and offshoring to Asia in the 70s, then later NAFTA in the 90s, which was the final nail in the coffin for the Rust Belt. Pittsburgh is known as kind of the model city for demonstrating how to transform your local economy to break out of the Rust Belt depression by investing in healthcare, tech, education, etc. Compare it to Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, Detroit (lol), and other former industrial cities nearby, which haven't been nearly as successful at that.
>>2828738I don't understand how Pittsburgh has a functioning economy. All they have is healthcare.Their attempts at tourism are kinda half-assed. Is there even a building downtown I can go to the top of for a view? Cleveland, granted I haven't been there in a number of years, seems to be doing better than Detroit and have a decent economy. I haven't been to Buffalo but I hear it's awful. Rochester had these gorgeous old buildings but way too many black zombies wandering about and ghetto neighborhoods. Detroit seems to have gotten a lot better in the last 20 years. The problem is having low intelligence, high violence blacks wandering around and you can't get rid of them and they deter anyone else from moving in or starting a business because it's like having roaming lions wandering a park. You never know when they will cause destruction or be violent towards you. If these cities could get rid of their black population they would function once again.
>>2828742Pittsburgh is the only big city in the entire Appalachian region. Pennsylvanians have always been the smartest, best educated and most industrious of the Appalachian dwellers. Makes sense that many of them would like to pursue success close to home in a familiar environment of rivers and hills, instead of going to New York or LA or some other flatland dystopia full of try-hard newcomers.
>>2828743huntsville alabama theoretically is a city and is in appalachia
>>2828742>Is there even a building downtown I can go to the top of for a view?Fuck downtownTake the incline up to the top of Mt. Washington
>>2828780I did that but it kinda sucks there's no view building in downtown I think columbus ohio has that as does cincinnati pittsburgh barely tries
>>2821435>As someone who has stayed in plenty of 150 square foot rooms while traveling, 310 square feet is plenty of space for a single guy. My one-bedroom apartment is 454 square feet total (I measured it out) and can easily fit a gathering of six people in the living room.There are things you gotta realize as well, I live in a 250 sq ft (kitchen and full bath included) for ~500/mo w/ most utilities outside power, in the USA.Many of these have shared bathrooms/showers, the ones that don't you're literally in a cuck corner square where the shower drains onto the floor on the toliet and sink. The shared kitchen is always a hell hole, so you have to keep all your dishes, cookware, and food in a mini fridge or buy daily(not bulk) which drives up costs and eats at your free spaceThese places often have shared internet meaning you get what you get, if every Jamal has their baby mama over and throws on netflix your internet goes to shitA lot of minorities live in these complexes and have 0 self-awareness of sound traveling or smells permeating the environment. REALLY hope you like smelling weed or hearing Tyrone go "AY YO ELLO?" YE ALLO?" or blasting their phone down the hall to the shower closets.Always count your deposit as gone, since these places get trashed often by low income housing, you're paying extra to pick up trashWFH is almost not possible in these places due to how small they areThere are many, many other problems with these things but if the ones I listed aren't enough to turn you away gl.>>2821118Man this is real sad cope
>>2828786Nah you’re being hyperbolic and fuckin stupid. 123sqft and I’m chilling. No noise, no shared kitchen or bathroom. Just me and my comfy room with my air fryer
>>2828791>123sqft and I’m chilling. > No noise, no shared kitchen or bathroomPics now
>>2828791>10x12ft place>has a kitchen and bathroomLet me guess the kitchen is a microwave, maybe a minifridge build into a counter with a sink, and the "bathroom" is a toilet that the shower sprays all over at best and worst down the hall. Keep in mind a twin size bed is ~3ft by ~6ft, so that's almost a third of your apartment as a bet right there for the smallest options. It's not impossible to live in those small spaces, I have, but trying to defend that there is no noise or it's anything close to somewhere to "chill" in you're delusional or an NPC pod person.
>>2828807I mean kinda the whole point of pittsburgh is its really fucking spread out so assumedly you could get a good bit of space for cheap - living in a pod is missing the point
Have you noticed the big sign on the former US Steel Building? It says "UPMC"University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.I don't quite understand how a hospital system with a health plan became the driving force behind Pittsburgh's rebirth, but it sure did just that.
>>2828944all that's left is old people who have money from when there was industry, and their money is now funneled into healthcare because they are sick and dying, once they are gone, there will be nothing
>>2828807Yea that’s what it is
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>>2828944UPMC is what you have when EarthGov goes into the healthcare business. No one else has noticed UPMC popping up everywhere, including a handy location under your kitchen sink? They staff them with 4 year degree distraction and cognitive dissonance clowns. The family dr I had there sexually harassed me, then screamed at me at the top of her lungs for a year and put me into a chokehold over medication to manage epilepsy and parkinson's disease.Need lots and lots of money to create that many branches and looking like there's an unlimited budget - EarthGov plain and simple. I was in UPMC and saw the worst treatment I've ever seen in 50 years, identical to Medicare and passive-aggressive gaslighting doctors.
>>2829020I’ll take a pic when I get home
>>2820408fuck off we're full
>>2829094but that's the whole point there's just fucking shitty small houses in every direction for miles and half of it looks abandoned
>>2829094LOL the nobody backwater shithole cityfaggot thinks he can flip his 5 inch pecker on the table and bellow “fuck off we’re full”You don’t get to tell anyone anything about your little faggot city. Its porous and easy to enter like you’re who’re mother, and if I get a hankering to move to shitsburg I absolutely will, and all you tired out blue collar faggots will do is leer resentfully from behind your bud light at the wannabe local shitbar on fuckingbitch avenue
>>2829636>bud lightThey drink IC Light. Get it right, retard.
>>2829638Take a hike. Don’t you have some OxyContin addicted dad who can’t cope with losing his fucking sheet metal factory job back in 2011 to take care of?Fucking podunk shitbag city >>2829094
>>2829094Just to pile on I don't get why this is a meme. Don't you want other channers to come? It's not exactly a large demographic but it is people like you.Also yeah Pittsburgh has what a third of its historical population? Hardly 'full'
>>2829033Cool pic anon.>>2829094Pittsburgh is anything BUT full, it's been in decline for a looong time. That's why there are so many houses around that got a slapped of a paint job and stained wood to go WOW LOOK CHEAP!!!Pittsburgh's seasonal changes are fucking garbage to houses there. The only houses you'll want to buy are over 200k minimum or not trusting it, especially the 2 stories they loved to build. I know /trv/ has a ton of expert house hunters who saw some dude off YT talk about get quick rich my doing houses in the rustbelt. If you want a house that is cheap and probably fine to move in and buy out right for cheap, look at west Texas/west Oklahoma and so on.
>>2831059I don't get how the housing is so expensive if there's so much stock and not even that much demand for it and much of it just abandoned.
>>2831061Define expensive?You can go get a house in places for as low as 50k, a slew of houses for 120-170k. Generally, the hardest part is simply getting the 20% down payment; and only becomes expensive when people do 0 down buy now, which you have to buy insurance on your home AND on your loan. So, a 500/mo mortgage can explode into a ~750 then people think "oh it's cheap" and exploded in CC debt and forget student loans and go buy a new car. Americans go insane on buying sprees I know because I've seen it.The biggest "hidden" problem out there is that people simply turn their nose up to the possibility of moving. Especially if they look at jobs and it's not the 6 figure, full benefits with the company timeshare in aspen, stock options and so on. I've seen that tunnel vision in so many friends.picrel, it's 2 hours from OKC or Dallas with a fairly decent/stable job market. Assuming you know how to homestead+do your taxes and get home owner benefits(turbotax does not do this automatically). Assuming a 2 income household ~800 for taxes/mortgage is practically nothing, but again most people go ZAMN NOTHING TO DO THERE! No mountains? No beach? REEE. People don't want to accept some sacrifice.
>>2831063in pittsburgh....
>>2831065In Pittsburgh it's similar to other places like what happened in rural Ohio towns. Lots of people took out loans to 'fix up DIY' style the house and anyone with 2 braincells goes and gets an inspector(or the bank requires one done before a loan), sees it's shit and walks.Those people are then on the hook with an ever-increasing loan debt meaning they need to raise prices to offset the large loan they took out for the house purchase+paint job they slapped on it. When I looked and did my research on pittsburgh homes the biggest thing that came up was that most cheap homes are on the shittiest foundations that no inspector will give a pass on, and whoo boy do a lot of homes have basements there. Also doesn't help that during COVID PA advertised itself as the cheap living situation where people moving to remote gigs were willing to pay at label prices driving house costs insanely high.
>>2820408>Pittsburgh> reasonably pricedYeah, if your standard of living is literally "well it's a roof over my head".I've seen a few threads on /trv/ over the months about moving there. Is it just one anon with homesickness or some meme /trv/ and /biz/ is falling for? Property taxes are pretty damn high there, the winding make no sense roads go from okayish to shit half the time, and utilities are higher than average. Sure it's probably cheaper than the jewish city of Charlotte, but that isn't saying a whole lot there. Please don't tell me there is some "I MOVED INTO A 75K 4BR MULTI STORY MANSION IN PITTSBURGH AND YOU CAN TO!" tiktok trend. Those houses are all from the 1920's without proper HVAC and most likely are filled with mold, mildew, and water damage from a century of wintery mix.
