Xinjiang EditionPost trip plans, past experiences, questions, advice etc in this threatno political arguments (calm discussion is fine) or spam pleaseold >>2796358
How to avoid getting my organs harvested if I am a Uyghur from Xinjiang?
>>2826208If I were to fly to China from Europe, would I fly over Ruzzia? I don't want to mysteriously crash into a tree or a drone.Is it possible to fly safely from Germany?I will go to my company's guest dormitory so it should be safe.
>>2826307it depends on the airline. If it's a Chinese airline offering direct flights then it would be over Russia. If you go via Lufthansa or some middle eastern airline transferring in Dubai or somewhere then they won't, they'll detour around via Turkey and the caucasusyou can check the route via flightradar24 before you pick a flight
I simply won't travel to china until they make payment processing and lodging accessible to foreigners>ni hao plz give alipay and wechat pay all of your personal data just so the APP won't work when you need it to and your local bank locks your card because ching chong payment system shenanigans also you need a few VPNs which may or may not work depending on the daylolLmao even
Going to the following> Beijing, Dunhuang, Jiayuguan, Zhangye, Xining, Qinghai Lake,chongqing. What to expect?
How much Chinese do I need to learn before visiting this place?And I don't want to be some boomer who just stays in a tour group, I'd like to actually explore the cities
>>2826358Lanzhou is much better than Xining, Xining is like one of the most boring cities in all of Chinahow will you get between the cities? flying or train?Dunhuang is a bit overtouristed but not awful.>>2826360I don't think it's realistic to aim to learn enough to be able to indepdently go around a city. At least you need basic conversational skills, asking where stuff is how much it is is it spicy etc, and basic reading/character recognition skills as well.I know some people who started learning Chinese in China with zero experience (fulltime course at a university) and after a year they still relied on translator apps for almost everything
>>2826312China recently mandated that all hotels accept foreign guests, but China isn't as totalitarian as it seems on the surface. People ignore government directives and rules all the time.https://www.travelandtourworld.com/news/article/foreign-tourists-still-turned-away-at-chinese-hotels-despite-government-reforms-and-visa-relaxations-you-need-to-know/Why can't you pay with cash? What are they going to do, refuse to accept their national currency?
>>2826377I went back in the 2010s when you could still get by in china as a tourist with cash. That's no longer an option. China can loosen their visa policies all they want, foreigners aren't going to travel their if they can't reliably access and spend money
>>2826424*there
>>2826208Wish they would do something about their cat torture problem.
>>2826364Flying, Then bus, My boomer uncle is the one taking me so its going to be a tour for seven days, with bejing the beginning and chongqing at the end of the trip which will only be two days in each. Im content being carted around.
>>2826494notice how animal abuse is illegal in the west whereas in ching chong land there are no laws against it and abusers get away scot free. you should adopt some lessons from your betters>Japan has implemented several national animal welfare laws since 1973https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_and_rights_in_Japan
>>2826528hahahahhahahahahahahaha. you guys can never resist taking the bait on japanso do you live in chyna or are you in a western country? diu lei lo mo tsau hai
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>>2826210China used to be one of my top dream list destinations, esp the south where they have the good spicy food, then i follow a twitter account for cat lovers and learn there are actual cat torture networks in the country that do unspeakable things to them and it's just not something that's illegal apparently.I'd like to go and see those green cliff thingies in a bay but they need to get their act together first. I'm not paying money and just going there to see animal abuse everywhere
>>2826494>>2826527>>2826528>>2826529the chinese must be the most thin skinned group of people in existence
I crossed into Xinjiang alone thru the mountain border with Kyrgyzstan AMA
>>2826466Ok you'll probably be fine then.Expect deserts and noodles. People probably won't be too surprised to see you since Dunhuang gets a lot of western tourists.>>2826494It's very funny how the chinkspammer makes his posts. He writes one thing (westerners pay for cat torture), then writes another thing (westerners pay for monkey torture) and then spams a ton of articles about it as if it proves the first thing.How would westerners, who don't speak Chinese, access the Chinese language websites that these things are broadcasted on? How would they communicate with the people there when they don't have WeChat and aren't verified? How would they send the money over when you have to use a remittance for international transfers to China and stuff like paypal doesn't work? I don't doubt that there are westerners who watch it but you can't attribute it all to westerners when clearly people have been doing it without financial incentives from abroad for a long time i.e. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/18/chinese-activists-force-fed-cat-excrement-to-suspected-animal-torturers
to interrupt the cat torture discussion (which I barely can't even look into it since I love cat so much) i have a seemingly stupid question about adress in chinai'm planning my trip in november, and on google map i like to save places way in advance that interests me. (like bar, shops..) considering there isn't google map in china, i'm trying to do so in map.me. but i'm having a hard time in literally finding the places on the map. if i find the complete address somehow on google, on the map it never finds it. the only way i managed to make it work is if i have the name in chinese, which I don't speak. any tips ? i've been literally putting coordinate into the map which is too long
>>2826566Kys ccp
>>2826563Try using Amap/Gaode maps, it's a Chinese map program that supports English The addresses in Google are usually wrong or outdated anyway>>2826562Irrelevant to ChinaAlso spamming unrelated shit about Koreans doesn't help your case
Why doesn't chyna just outlaw animal abuse if they dont want korans making them look bad
>>2826563If you care about cats, you should go elsewhere. The chinese assembly has voted against criminalizing animal abuse multiple times now. I've talked to people that have gone to beijing and seen kitten corpses on the side of the road that were clearly tortured by humans. I cancelled my trip when I found out about it.
>>2827045Get out of here chang
Are popular mountains like Huangshan super busy even on weekdays in fall?
>>2827414Yes, they'll be busy pretty much all the time. But "busy" by your standards is not busy by China standards. One of my friends went up Taishan during the labour day holiday and it was so crowded the entire path up was just a queue
>>2827415damn! I don't mind crowds when I'm a tourist going in touristy places, as long as I don't have to queue to move up the mountain I'll consider myself lucky then
>>2826558how were the local security controls there? what was the ethnic makeup? did everyone speak putonghua, or was there a local dialect or other various languages? what was the best thing you ate? If you're not asian, how did they look at you?
>>2826208As an American who lives in a major coastal city, I went to China for a month last winter, and it was the best trip I've ever done, way better than Japan, Korea, and Taiwan by far. I went to Shanghai, Beijing, Xi'an, Chengdu, Chongqing, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen. I travelled alone for about 3 weeks, and with local friends for about a week. If anybody is thinking about going to China for the first time, I would absolutely recommend Beijing. It was the greatest center of food and culture I've seen. If anybody has any questions about travelling in China, getting integrated with the digital infrastructure, or anything else, feel free to shoot.
>>2826312>travel with burner phone>no data to even accessIt's that simple.
>>2827454I'm going there mid-october, I'll be around Yunnan mostly.I have a local contact who keeps telling me that taxi is the best way to go around. Is that local to the area?I'm nowhere near good enough with the language to be comfortable with having to ask drivers where I want to go and all that as opposed to using trains and metros where you can look up location names in advance and just read maps.Anything to look out or be careful about with internal flights?How annoying is it to get through customs? Do they check devices or whatever?How bad does your gut feel after your first few days of local eating?
>>2826210just don't be a criminal. it might be difficult for you though.
>>2826358when? take a jacket. expect dust and cold and long drives.
>>2827488it depends on what you mean by 'around Yunnan' because metro is only in kunming and is the best way to get around kunming. train is for city to city and if you are going to smaller towns and out of the way locations, then a coach or minibus may be what you do. a taxi is probably suggested because it is the most convenient as it involves no one else but you and the driver. it would be unlikely the taxi driver didn't know a place which was on a foreign tourist itinerary as they are also on chinese tourist itineraries, and either you show them the name on a map or have your phone speak out the place name. probably your local contact is thinking that telling you to get a taxi is convenient in terms of time, as opposed to getting buses and coaches, and ease as your taxi driver just takes you and they assume the cost is not a factor because you are foreign. but a car is slowish in kunming outside of 10am to 4pm, like almost everywhere in chinese cities.
>>2827454seeing as you've been to all the big cities, where would you go next time?
>>2827488>taxisyou can use didi (app) to get taxis, the interface is entirely in English and they charge the same prices as locals are getting. It's just like uber, you put the destination in beforehand (can use English or Chinese) and you only need to show them the last four digits of your phone number. >internal flightsannouncements will be in Chinese and English, but the flight attendant's accent might be so bad that you can't understand it you can only bring power banks if they have a "CCC" certification. They MUST have a CCC sticker/label on them or they will be confiscated by security. This is only a thing for domestic flights.as a foreigner there is no way for you to check-in online so you have to go to the checkin desk in the airport and get a paper boarding pass. When going through security they will check your boarding pass with your passport and take a face scan/picture, some newer airports use this face scan to board the plane to speed stuff up, but you should always hold onto your boarding pass just in case.>customsusually staffed by bored fat baoans who dgaf about you or your bags. Unless they have a reason to check your stuff (you are a dissident, journalist, etc) they won't. >local eatingyou will feel incredibly full, the bigger portions, more oily food, and quick-release carbs from rice will make you feel very full all the time. for my first few days in China I only ate one meal per day.if you struggle with spicy food then you might be going to the toilet a lot. Yunnan is usually spicy with some sour flavour and lots of mushrooms.
>>2827488post 1/?>getting around by yourselfI knew basically 4 words in Chinese, hello, thank you, English, and American. China is a digital first world, and any big city will easily accommodate anyone who's willing to make the effort to integrate themselves even if you have to use translator apps. The number one thing I can recommend is getting a Chinese phone number with your data SIM. Not having one locks away so many services. Second is a VPN obviously, at the very least so you can access a translator app like Google Translate or DeepL. Third will be setting up and verifying your identity through Alipay and WeChat + Weixin Pay at least a month in advance. Some people claim to get around with cash but why bother. I'll throw essential apps in a followup.>best way to get aroundThe best way to get around with peace of mind is definitely public transit if you can manage. China blows billions of dollars for their world-class metro to move millions of people, and it's fast, comfortable, clean, and cheap, might as well use it. As for taxis, make sure you're using an app like Didi, or my preference is the built-in taxi function for Gaode/Amaps. The thing that may freak you out is taxis calling you, but honestly I just stopped answering and showed up at the pickup spot. Watch out that they don't try and charge you personally or any extra fees through QR, everything should go through official platform payments.Also in general for China, definitely don't listen to anyone aggressively trying to sell you anything, including taxis no matter how official they look. Chinese scams aren't that common, but they are super advanced in touristy areas. I got scammed a few times the first couple days trying to hail the way you would think of in America. If you want to do it without a phone, there are specific designated spots in major areas like airports that will have a giant line.
>>2827488>>2827675post 2/?>customs + flightshonestly, my experience was pretty positive. They have strict international customs for both entry and exit, but as long as you're not stupid youre fine. I had one of the customs agents laugh at my visa picture because I manually photoshopped the background. Domestic flights are easy to get in and out. They do have more obvious security theatres and do temperature checks but even while sick with HMPV during the peak in winter they didn't stop me. I think most airlines are fine, definitely better service than any basic American airline like Delta/United. In general, mainland Chinese services will be a better experience than anything else. The biggest rule difference is no portable batteries over 100Whr, and no using them on the plane.>food qualityDO NOT DRINK SINK WATER, bottled or boiled only. Food definitely depends on the area. Xi'an was disgusting in comparison to every other city, only stick around for the museums. Shenzhen restaurants had a lot of poor health grade signs, like in this link. https://countryandahalf.com/restaurants-in-china-inspection-notices-and-what-they-really-mean/. Try to avoid any uncooked vegetables, and don't eat anything sitting out in those touristy areas under those PVC pipe misters, I knew they would have mold as soon as I saw them. Generally though, if you aren't eating only hamburgers every day at home you'll be fine, just get used to eating more fiber.
>>2827488>>2827682post 3/?Essential Chinese apps:>payment for literally everythingAlipay, Weixin>VPNMullvad confirmed works, ask locals if they know of cheaper ones.>taxiDidi, Amaps/Gaode>transitAmaps/Gaode>trains + flightsTrip.com for English, Ctrip is Chinese and cheaper. 12306 for trains specifically>foodMeituan = food and grocery delivery, Dianping = yelp+coupons>ecommerceTaobao=Amazon with max. 3 day shipping, Xianyu=ebayRandom Chinese things to know:>cost of travel1USD = 7RMB, but things in general are about 1/3 of the average cost in the US. Definitely depends on the area, Shanghai is more expensive. You can get a full meal for $2 if you tried, and amazingly huge luxury dinners for $20-50. Definitely the place to fuck around and get snacks and treats while walking around. Decent hotels start out around $50. Train tickets are like $20 for first class, domestic flights are usually around $80.>securityAlways carry your passport on you. Be careful with big cameras, my cousin got arrested and interrogated for taking photos because they thought he was a journalist. Also, youre technically required to register with the police for wherever you're staying, usually hotels will do it for you. My friends and I dodged it when staying with locals for a while, but if you get questioned don't blame me.>toilets + toiletry relatedIn public theres no toilet paper, and often toilets are just a squatty trough in the ground. Buy napkins or wipes at the local convenience store and carry them everywhere. Bring toothpaste from home, I got cavities after using the free ones from hotels.>restaurantsChinese people love lines, dont bother waiting and walk somewhere else. Service is usually excellent but they will nickel and dime you for basics like napkins. At least in Shanghai but possibly elsewhere, there is a law that allows you to bring in outside drinks, so feel free to bring your own beer or boba. Dianping is useful but not the gospel, use the coupons.
>>2827454>>2827521post 4/?>cities to go back toBeijing, Guangzhou, Chengdu, and Shanghai are definitely in my list for revisits. All of them have great food, and I'd especially go back for the Forbidden City in Beijing. >future visits?I've seen a lot of urban museums and temples, I really want to see more nature with open fields, mountain-side temples, etc. I'm still doing research but my list so far is:Nanjing and Zhenjiang, JiangsuLeshan and Luzhou, SichuanFujian, FuzhouHarbin, Heilongjiang during winterShaanxi?Yunnan?Guizhou?Three Gorges Dam tour + cruise?Hong Kong side trip via train from Shenzhen>cities to be cautious ofI mentioned before, but Xi'an was the worst experience I had. Beggars trying to shmooze you and dirty, loud streets. My friend got food poisoning. I would go back to Shaanxi for the food, but not to Xi'an. The main city of Chongqing was not as interesting as the online trends a couple years ago suggested, but the food was great. I wouldn't stay in the main city for longer than 3 days.Shenzhen was interesting as a tech industry hub and there were other good things to do around nature-wise, but it is a generally worse experience than just going to Guangzhou if short on time. Motorbikes everywhere, including on pedestrian walkways.Shanghai is generally more expensive relative to other cities, and because it's in the south the food tends to be more mild and sweet, in a similar respect as Japanese food. Not much to do culturally except eat, drink, and wander around malls and parks pretending to be rich. If you want to see "real China", don't stay here too long.Also, this isn't my word, but my cousin said Wuhan was boring.
>>2827703What did you do in Shenzhen? Going there for a week in November.
>>2827707I was there for like 4 days, half of it was wandering around Huaqiangbei, including the stolen phone markets. Theres tons of consumer electronics malls that have neat products and are cheaper than taobao. Its great especially if you want to get a new phone case and screen protector, just wander around in one of those buildings in the main area and theyll install a screen protector for a dollar. There are other mall areas that I don't remember, but you can easily google. We also did a day trip to Fairy Lake Botanical gardens, there was a lot of exhibits to see and the hill hiking trails are mildly challenging, I'd say about 2 hours worth at least. Definitely check out Hongfa Temple for free lunch if you get there in time, remember to eat every last grain :)Food-wise, its primarily Cantonese food but there are little exotics gems here and there. The bar culture in China is nice, tends to be small and homey, and in Shenzhen my friend and I had good experiences. I couldn't tell you where this was, but there was a small bar with a Xinjiang food stand next door, and they had literally the best alcohol I ever tried, it was a purple cider-type drink. We drank and had grilled scallions and naan brought into the bar from next door while petting the owner's cat. Went back there twice, if you find it let me know lol.
>>2827710okay i actually found the bar, https://www.dianping.com/shop/l4fsIkXL28PuTUOc. If you can't figure out Dianping login, its called JuneZ 六月造精酿酒馆. https://j.map.baidu.com/c5/s-Bk.
>>2827675Yes, always just use an app to get your taxi. Someone standing on the side of the road saying taxi will be a scammer 99% of the time.>>2827682Xi'an I think is ok unless you are eating street stall slop. The only place I ever got food poisoning in China was Shenyang, because my friend and I made the stupid decision of going to eat at a buffet.>>2827691>Ask locals about vpns You should not do that >Interrogated for taking picturesBruh how, I have a big camera and took pictures everywhere I went including in Xinjiang and near military areas and nobody cared>Queuing for restaurantsYou may have missed out on the fact that most of the time the "queue" is virtual, you get given a ticket with a number and have to wait for it to be called (you can check your position in the queue on dianping). Good restaurants in malls and stuff you almost always have to queue for, sometimes up to an hour. The places with nobody in them are empty for a reason.Also you can get better coupons on meituan and discounts by using the 套餐 set meal section.>Nickel and dime for napkinsYeah this is standard but you can take the entire box when you leave. In smaller cities they also charge you like 1 yuan or 2 yuan for a set of plates and chopsticks, just consider it like the cover charge. They're wrapped in plastic but you should ALWAYS clean your plate and glass and chopsticks with hot water especially in cheaper restaurants.
>>2827703>Shanghai is... Not much to do culturallylmaoonly the advice about toilet paper is worth listening to in all your posts. it all reads like a larp post of internet collected info. rehased llm larp.
>>2827787alright fucker, post your travels then. i clearly didn't type all that for veteran autists who already went to rank my trip. 徐汇区 and 静安区 were mostly malls, parks, and urban temples, which gets boring after a few days. I'd argue anybody new to China isn't gonna be that comfortable or aware of navigating good spots out of the central areas of Shanghai. It's much easier to just go to cities like Beijing and Xi'an or other cities for cultural exploration.
>>2827787unless you think overpriced hipster cafes and modern art exhbitions are the peak of Chinese culture then OP is absolutely rightcompared with other big cities, there is nothing going on in Shanghai
>>2826424>That's no longer an option.I just returned from a month in China and that's just not true. I had zero problems paying cash when the apps gave me shit.
>>2827451>>2827451Security is everywhere. It’s not as draconian, at least on the surface, as it must have been 5-6 years ago but as a foreigner you’ll always be asked to show your passport to the police at any major transport hub. Your experience may vary depending on the people processing you. There are also checkpoints on major thoroughfares but not nearly as many as years ago. There are many Uyghurs in Xinjiang and Uyghur is spoken by most of them but it’s clear that the Han are limiting learning of the language. Old people speak broken mandarin and good Uyghur, for young people it’s a hit or miss. Lots of them can’t read or write Uyghur but are fluent in mandarin. There are a lot of Han who hold all upper echelon administrative positions. There are locals working middle management level positions even within law enforcement. There might be plainclothes cops following you. I’ve had people wait for me at the train to check my passport and a guy showed up around town in Kashgar at different locations throughout my stay. The food is good but isn’t very varied in my opinion. Polo (plov) and meat skewers with nan are very good. It’s very similar to central asian food but plov is better in CA.I’m a light skinned European twink and I was often asked to take pictures with people on the street by both Uyghurs and Han. I found people to be kind and generous with random girls buying me water and snacks on the train and offering alcohol and cigarettes at bars. There will be instances where you’ll be the only white boy on the sleeper trains with conductors coming to check on you from time to time.
>>2828149>many Uyghursdepends on where you are, XPCC cities like Aral and Kuytun are like 90% Han. Hami struck me as being like 80% Han and full of migrants from northern provinces like Shandong who moved there 20-30 years ago.>young ppl cant speak Uyghurkids under 14-15 have never had any formal Uyghur-language education as they went to school after bilingual classes were phased out by the government. >food not variedlol I can agree with you on that one, after a week I was going back to Han restaurants for stuff like jiaozi and sichuan food. Locals just eat leghmen and kawap all the time and get super fat as a result.>polo better in CAin Uzbekistan Kazakhstan etc they add seasoning like parsley, raisins, etc. Uyghur polo is very strictly meat-rice-carrots, maybe onions.>only white boy on the trainI think that is the default for China
>>2827731>Good restaurants in malls and stuff you almost always have to queue for, sometimes up to an hour. The places with nobody in them are empty for a reason.This annoys me so much about Chinese. The good places have a shit dining experience because they are already glutted with customers. You're just a hassle to them as a clueless foreigner.
>>2826559you're an iraqi pedophile
Why does every Chinse person STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING SIDEWALKAND IN FRONT OF DOORWAYSFUCKINGMOVE
>>2828538Lacking self awareness and civic senseThe worst is when they use an escalator and then just stand at the top exit and nobody can walk around themMy gf used to do this and I thought it was just her then I came to China and realised all Chinese people do this
I'm going to chengdu chongqing and shanghai, spending the most time in shanghai (6 nights) did i fuck up ? i spend 5 night in chongqing and 4 in chengdu. wanna add a day trip from shanghai too
>>2828563Yeah six nights in Shanghai is gonna get boring, add a day trip to Hangzhou or Nanjing (Suzhou overrated).Chengdu and Chongqing are very similar
>>2828565any recommendations for a day trip to Nanjing? Anything "must see"?
>>2828573Walk or bike the city wall, relax around Xuanwu lake. Explore the area around the Confucius temple at night. Then go back another day and explore Purple Mountain.
>>2828538I did not find this to be the case all the time. Depends very much on the location in China. And when I did, I made them move. It's easy since the're all smoll.
>>2828590thank you! Sadly I can allot only one day to Nanjing so no Purple Mountain this time, but I'll consider it an excuse to come back another time
>>2828538This was the thing I just couldn't get used to. They walk so slowly and leave no room for you to overtake them (like they have no idea other people are using the sidewalk as well). And if you do overtake them, there are tens of slow Chinese in front of them ready to block your way.
>>2828942yes they do that everywhere, in my country as wellyou just have to walk around or through small gaps
>>2826208https://www.salon.com/2013/07/27/sexual_trafficking_in_china_kidnapped_into_prostitution/Sex sells . . . Back at the office after lunch, Tom and I thought about sexy stories we could sell. And then it came to me: Maggie’s—the nightclub frequented by lonely expat businessmen, certain China Daily foreign experts, and Mongolian prostitutes.Maggie’s, which had recently reopened after being shut down throughout the Olympics, had never brought me anywhere near sexual temptation. The few times I’d gone there left me feeling depressed and guilty, but ever since the night of Potter’s birthday party, I had been curious about the club and the Mongolian women who frequented it. I had never spoken with any of the Maggie’s girls about anything substantial, but I wanted to know their stories. Why, with so many available Chinese women, so many poor Chinese women, were the working girls who populated Maggie’s, the Den, and other hookup bars in Beijing frequented by expats Mongolian? How did they end up in China? What brought them? Maggie’s had been closed during the Olympics, and rumors had surfaced about several murdered Maggie’s regulars, all Mongolian prostitutes. It was a story waiting to be written.Tom and I did some research online. We found the U.S. State Department’s Trafficking in Persons report and read that trafficking was a growing problem, with between 3,000 and 5,000 Mongolian women and girls lured or forced into prostitution in foreign countries each year. Many were recruited by deceit, often by friends and relatives, and the vast majority ended up in China. Many came to the bars and karaoke rooms of Beijing, Shanghai, and other major Chinese cities; others ended up farther south, in the saunas and casinos of Macau, the Las Vegas of Asia.
>>2829498https://www.china-briefing.com/news/maggies-bar-reopens-in-beijing/Before being shuttered during Beijing’s drive to beautify itself ahead of the Olympic Games, Maggie’s was a stalwart of the the city’s club scene. Opened for nearly 15 years, the bar has long been a combination of both popular and notorious. A recent article in China Expat described the secret to the bar’s success – loud ’70s rock music and voluptuous girls from Mongolia.
I think on a per capita basis /ChG/ might be the top general on /trv/ for schizos. This place really punches above its weight in that respect
Im going to shanghai then shenzen then hong konghas anyone taken the shanghai to shenzen bullet train?if so how early do you have to be at the station, my train is at 07:30
>>2829677You don't have to be early to the station in China, ticket checking for the trains usually open 20 minutes before departure and close 5 minutes before.If you've never taken a train in China before I would arrive an hour in advance so you can take it slowly and if you make any mistakes it doesn't fuck you overOnce you get the hang of it you can start coming later, I usually arrive half an hour before my train. Security checks are incredibly quick and I can be done in under ten minutes (excepting holidays and when they make you go through two security checks for retarded reasons).Tldr you should arrive at the station at 6:30
how do i get to Wulong Karst from Chongqing? All the sites are outdated. Where will i arriwe? some sources says Wulong county town, some says Xiannv town. Do i need to go to Xiannv Town to buy ticket? Or can i go directly to Three Natural Bridges?
>>2829696You can take a train to Wulong town Then take a taxi to the scenic site (Xiannü Shan)You can buy tickets onlineIf you can't figure this stuff out on your own (use Chinese sites and apps with translators) you are not going to have a great time figuring other stuff outDownload: Xiaohongshu, Amap (Gaode maps), and meituanUse translators with those and you can figure anything out
why is it so hard to find normal youtubers for china, its either ccp shills or cia shills
>>2829689nice one anonthanks for the informationdo you think I can get by with english at the station?
>>2829720do you mean /trv/ specific or people on the ground?there are a few random travel ones I have been watching for ideas on itinerary and how to get around
>>2828951It's so much easier to walk in Asia when you're not hefty or big-boned or plus size or whatever fat people like to call themselves nowadays. I can slip through a foot wide gap no problem.
>>2829720Xiaohongshu is what Chinese use for travel recommendations.
>>2829725/trv/ specific, especially small(er) towns and rural china
>>2829730oh yeah thats really tough
>>2829723yes, all signs are in Chinese and English bilingual. You don't need to talk to anyone, only show them your passport when going through the security check and when going onto the train (that's how they check your tickets)At Shanghai the staff will probably all speak basic English>>2829730no normal tourist just staying for a few weeks has the time to go to small towns or rural areas, they only go to big cities and tourist scenic spotsso of course the people making videos on those are CCP shills who live there
>>2826208If anyone is currently in China, you should share some photos, and do some blog posting!
>>2829958You can't post here from China without a VPN (all of China is rangebanned)And VPNs are blocked from postingSo you either have to have a pass or a personal/private VPN that hasn't been blockedWhen I was in China I posted using my university VPN because it wasn't blocked here but I doubt most people have something like that
never been to China, I'm thinking of spending like 3 weeks in Chongqing next spring (I fixate on the city more than any other in China) has anybody spent time there, how does it compare to Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Chengdu, etc?how easy is it to meet local English speakers? I don't know much Chinese
I must say, Chinese cities look nice, airports and train stations are all nice and clean and modern, but...They seem so cheaply constructed. It's just plain walls and lots of LED lighting.
>>2829981>It's just plain walls and lots of LED lighting.It depends on where you go. Their new business districts are very posh.
>>2830001theyre the same tbqh, at first glance they look great but the led lights do a lot of the heavy lifting
>>2829978The veneer that makes you infatuated with the city is literally the only good thing about it. It sucks compared to other major cities in pretty much every way besides. The weather is dogshit: hot and wet. Places like Hongyadong are just lame tourist traps with literally nothing interesting. The food is absolutely vile. I was there in 2014, so yes things will be better now, but it's not worth more than a brief visit. Spend a weekend there if you must. But 3 weeks is insane.
https://chinesecookingdemystified.substack.com/p/63-chinese-cuisines-the-completeCan anyone vouch for this? Especially the northern stuff the author says he's unfamiliar with?
>>2830033he is clearly very knowledgeable about Chinese food and has done tons of research, especially in the south which I don't know much about so I skipped that part. But I can say a few things:>Henan and Hebei cuisine separated at the province borderAnyang is definitely more Hebei than Henan. Only once you get to Xinxiang do they start eating hulatang and all that.>Hebeiyeah he doesn't know anything about Hebei food, which he admits.I would say first, nobody eats the 狮子鱼 he mentioned, young people think it's way too sweetsome more common specialities are 炒凉皮 and 糯米肉. There are also 焖子 and this weird mustard thing that people in southern Hebei eat.>XinjiangXinjiang rice is low quality when compared to the rest of Chinaalso he didnt mention leghmen or kawap?? which are the best Uyghur foodsbut anyway it was basically 99% right based on my experiences. Especially what he said about Hunan food, it is the best with rice
>>2829981well yes anon, it's commieblocks, what did you expect?on a serious note, it depends on where you go. city centres usually have more modern glass skyscrapers like you would see in the west, old cities have traditional architecture, and some places like Harbin are entirely foreignsure Chinese cities can't hold a candle to Paris or London, but their ancient parts (Beijing forbidden city, Xi'an old city, Pingyao) are pretty good tooyou also have to remember the custom in China is to tear down a building after 15-20 years and make a new one in its place. In Beijing something like only 5% of the buldings are older than 1980.
>>2830065Cantonese is where it's at
>>2830070Even in the West we say "they don't build them like they used to." They used to use huge blocks of stone for foundations and now it's just shitty vener.
>>2830015for me, the fixation isn't with the skyscrapers coated in LEDs (I mean that's neat but I'd get that in any other tier 1/2 city), the striking topography and geographic setting are what appeals to mealso 9 or 10 years ago, I passed on an opportunity to study abroad there for a semester and I regret it3 weeks gives me enough time to see Chengdu, Leshan, down the Yangtze, etc
How do you find the time to spend more than a week here without being a millionaire? Even if you quit your job there is pressure to get another job quickly or else it becomes even more difficult to get hired again. And if you are a remote worker you'll be working and won't really have time to explore
>>2830104Being lucky enough to have a remote job I presumeOr being a content creator and/or having a rich familyOften being youngFormerly being an English teacher in China but now those are drying up and you have to go to a shittier country in like SE Asia to still do that
>>2830104everything in china is cheap, fuck you mean?
>>2830219He's referring to the inability to take time off work to travel around China for a long time. A millionaire would presumably have little issue with that>>2830104Well, how do you find the time to travel for more than a week anywhere? The other anon covered some common ways, but you can also get a job there or nearby, be engaged in seasonal work, take a long time off work (maybe more difficult for Americans), be sent there on a business trip, etc...The reality of the world is that adults with jobs don't have the free time to go travelling. You're either a wagie who can go away on week-long breaks three times a year or you have a special job that lets you go travelling to faraway places.For comparison, adults in China with jobs get 4 weeks of state holidays (national day, Chinese new year, and labour day) and since they have to go back to their hometown for Chinese new year it's more like two weeks. Most Chinese people have never left the country unless they're very rich, and quite a lot don't leave the general area of the few provinces near them. For many of them going to Beijing or Shanghai is a dream that they can only do once every five years, and they STILL have to go in the crowded holiday season. In China almost everyone I met had never left the country apart from rich businessmen and former international students. Most middle income people (managers, engineers, office workers) were able to go travelling twice a year to a big city or nearby province and that's it. High income people (lawyers, financiers, traders, not doctors tho they get zero holiday lmao) with their own businesses and such could afford to take months off work to go travelling in places like Xinjiang or inner Mongolia, but they were like 0.1% of everyone I met.
Is DiDi app integrated in Alipay enough, or should i download their separate app?
>>2830225the mini programs integrated into alipay and WeChat are fully functional. You don't really need to download anything apart from alipay and WeChat, but the interface is laggier when you use a mini program, so I would suggest downloading it anyway
>>2830104>>2830207>>2830223Asylum seeking is an easy way for third worlders to travel to the west.
>>2826360HSK 2 will get you most of what you want/need.
>>2829720I have come acrosshttps://www.youtube.com/@DaHaiqulvxing - fairly standard travel stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/@litttleWang - quite offbeat
>>2830377she could have aborted, innit?
Question. What is a nice place to visit to see traditional Chinese architecture? Not just palaces and temples, but also homes where standard people live or used to live.
>>2832384Mao's Cultural revolution destroyed most of it. Maybe check out Taiwan instead
>>2832384>Best:PingyaoDaliYarkent and other small towns in Xinjiang>Mid:KaipingLijiangHangzhouBeijing hutongsSuzhou>You'll get told "has traditional architecture" but it's actually all reconstructions and fake shitKaifengLuoyangXi'an (some exceptions)
>>2827731Where in xinjiang was this and when? I had a terrible time in xinjiang in 2018 when I went. I was going to visit my wife's family and they had a fucking "hidden" police escort following us the entire time. I then took pictures of my wife's school and they legit checked my phone at the next police checkpoint and was annoyed when they found just dumb local photos lol Also I had to shit a lot and shit in the police checkpoint bathrooms all the time, was always escorted by two guards lolI'm of a mixed ethnicity so they thought I was a uyghur and nobody believed my American passport was real. Some dumbass local police officer legit fucking used Baidu to verify whether or not my passport was a real US one... By checking Baidu images. Biggest joke of security I've ever seen
>>2828561I used to get so annoyed at my wife for doing this, but when I went to china I realized how this very much is the culture and nobody gives a shit. I had to cut her some slack afterwards lol
>>28324562025 this summer. Restrictions have definitely relaxed a lot more since the pre-covid era.It definitely felt a lot stricter than the rest of China and much more visible police/military presence but I was there for two weeks and the only checkpoints were bag scanners (that nobody even looked at) in Kashgar and Urumqi
>>2832408Liar, there are many Vietnamese prostitutes in Japan now in addition to some Korean prostitutes.
>>2826208Is Shanghai worth going for just one day? I'm planning a trip to either Korea or Japan but I need to fill a day in somewhere. Worth the money or not for just a detour? It would be my first time in China but I lived in Taiwan before if it matters.
>>2832533Detouring from Korea or Japan for a single day is pretty expensive, anon. I think it would be better value for money to just spend another day at your actual destination. Shanghai is cool but you won't be able to do anything in a single day, especially because a first-time visitor to China will likely spend the entire day setting up their sim cards and alipay and all the other retarded bullshit you have to do
>>2832533>Is Shanghai worth going for just one day?Yes, but China is kind of a pain to prepare for and get everything in place to do just a day of travel there because of the payment apps. Shanghai is definitely the easiest place in mainland China to go for a westerner used to Japan/Korea though.
>>2826208Why is China such a shithole?
>>2826210They're literally persecuting Christians like its the ancient world lmao what is wrong with this retarded country
>>2833038How mentally unstable are you that you're whining about trade war responses to a bunch of westerners here as if we're the Chinese diplomatic corps?
>>2826312Thats scary AF. They're literally the antichrist spirit
>>2826459This is so horrible and sad. Cats are such sweet pets too.
>>2827675During your trip, did you chat much or hang out with the locals?
>>2826459The CCP regularly posts fake news like this to keep its citizens angry about things other than fiscal and monetary policy.
>>2833038in case you didn't know, Epoch Times is a Falun Gong new site
I want to go to China but I'm scared of getting scammed, getting arrested, getting killed, getting butchered, getting poisoned, getting run over, getting crushed by a collapsing building, getting tortured in prison, getting lost, getting cursed at by locals, getting stabbed, getting kidnapped by Triads, getting kidnapped by the government, getting my documents confiscated, getting my identity stolen, and getting diarrhea. Will I be OK as a 6'2" white blonde Christian that exclusively dresses in American flag pattern clothes?
>>2833261I could say the same about America but it would be true.
>>2833264>N...no u
>>2833261how many news stories do you hear about tourists who actually have those things happen to them?
>>2833307It's just the usual mentally ill falun gong guy who spams this thread occasionally
>>2833248I have Chinese friends and their family who I hung out with while they were visiting their hometowns, but otherwise I didn't really do much socializing. In Chengdu, I went to the Sichuan Cuisine museum and talked in English with the chef who gave me my tour, that was a fun half day thing. >>2833261Bro, you're more likely for any of that to happen in an big American city. And maybe you will get scammed or yelled at, but when everything costs you like a fraction of what it would be at home, and you realize the one or handful of people who might fuck with you are the country bumpkins and retards in a county full of a billion different people, you learn to stop caring as much and just have fun.
visa free policies have been letting in far too many arabs and sudacas latelynot a fan
>>2835259Where exactly? And how are they acting in these cities which has negatively impacted your experience?Youtube/Tiktok != a Chinese city.
>>2833041Good I hope they stamp out your vile Jewish nonsense religion. Japan had a christoid PM for all of a month who immediately promised to bring in infinite Indians and Africans before they promptly kicked him to the curb and brought in Shinto mommy who loves Hitler. China would be well advised to treat Christians as they do Jews; a subversive organisation that will fuck up their nation if left unchecked.
>>2835262Incredibly based. Abrahamism is a 5th column movement and always has undermined their hosts.
>>2835261Beijing, it's mostly tourists being dumb and not knowing basic etiquette, also groups of men harassing women in the streets sometimes. Yes I know Chinese people do this as well but the more third worlders they let in the worse impression Chinese people have of all foreigners
>>2835259Only Gulf Arabs (GCC) were given visa free entry.Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Yemenis, North Africans don't have visa free entry.So you're saying Gulf Arabs behave like niggers? Gulf Arabs always blame North Africans, Egyptians and Syrians for making Arabs look bad in Europe and claim they don't do that.
>>2835479oh, I didn't know it was only Gulf Arabs. There are so many Moroccans and Egyptians that I thought it was all of them. I see very few Saudis or people who look like that, most of it is Moroccans and other Nafris.
>>2833259>>2826208/trv/ need post IDs like on /pol/Now that I know an actual 50 cent chinkoid is posting itt the entire thread is ruined, you can never trust a chink.
>>2835516>letting in Moroccans and Egyptians visa-freeare they so dismayed with the low birth rates that they're just straight up inviting rapists into their country now or what
Headed to Shanghai/Suzhou (Suzhou Primarily) next week for about 9 days for a conference. Looking forward to it but I am curious about what there is to do. First time in China (only been to Japan as far as Asia goes) so I can only partially read Chinese characters. Preparing for the conference and reading this thread so I've already got alipay, but my phone is not compatible with e-sim so am I just screwed?
>>2835744You can get a physical travellers SIM at the airport. Something like 150 yuan for 15 days. Loads of data calls etc, much cheaper than roaming or a Hong Kong esim. If you don't have two sim card slots then they will give you your original SIM in a plastic bag You should also get wechat and Amap/Gaode mapsAs for what to do, idk. To me Shanghai is a very boring city
Which esim is best for China if I want to watch youtube and browse 4chan?
>>2835739ccp is desperate to bring in tourism to china. unfortunately for them, few people (besides ethnic chinese abroad) are willing to deal with all the bullshit that comes with a china trip
>>2835739They aren't let in visa free, moron. Only Gulf Arabs are.Read the posts you are responding to again.>>2835479>Only Gulf Arabs (GCC) were given visa free entry.>Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Yemenis, North Africans don't have visa free entry.>So you're saying Gulf Arabs behave like niggers? Gulf Arabs always blame North Africans, Egyptians and Syrians for making Arabs look bad in Europe and claim they don't do that.>>2835516>oh, I didn't know it was only Gulf Arabs. There are so many Moroccans and Egyptians that I thought it was all of them.China doesn't give visa free entry to most African countries, but you can find many African traders in Guangzhou.They paid for the visas.China would never give visa free access to Nafris and Egyptians purely because of the terrorism risk, so they have to pay for it. Only Gulf Arab states can guarantee their citizens won't spontaneously blow up.Also, women decide birthrate in modern societies where they were "liberated".Women in urban areas like Beijing either abort or use birth control.
>>2835753Loads of people visit China, lol, wtf are you on about?
>>2835739Some forty year old Chinese men working in West Africa have young Moroccan women as mistresses, when they don't find black women atttractive.https://www.instagram.com/p/C5LPkxztPd-/https://newsauthority.com.ng/2024/03/31/21-year-old-angry-moroccan-lady-burnt-down-chinese-boyfriends-house-in-lagos/…says he doesn’t want her to do anything except having S3x with himA Moroccan lady simply identified as Asmaa, 21, has been arrested by men of the Lagos State Police Command for allegedly setting her Chinese boyfriend,Mr Xunxue, 41, house in Oregun, Ikeja on fire on Saturday, March 30.The police was alerted after the fire was noticed in the building located in an estate in the area.Preliminary investigation showed that Asmaa and Xunxue had a disagreement and in anger, she allegedly set the house on fire while her boyfriend and two other persons were still in the building.When interrogated, Asmaa said Xunxue brought her to Nigeria and has kept her locked up in his house for six months.According to her all he wants to do is just to sleep with her and not allow her work.“He used me for six months and doesn’t want to do any visa for me. He doesn’t want me to work or do anything that can get me money.“He just wants me to sit at home. If I tell him to buy me a ticket, he wouldsay no.“He just wants me to sit at home, ¥ck free for six months. Sit at home and wait for him to come back from work,” a disappointed Asma saidAsmaa mentioned she set the house on fire because she wanted to kill herself as she was frustrated by Xunxue’s actions.According to reports, no life was lost in the incident.The suspect is currently in police custody alongside other parties in the incident.
>>2835763>when they don't find black women atttractive.There are certain dangers to dating black women in Africa which the sensitive jannies would ban me from elucidating
>>2835753>>2835761In 2019 there were 66 million touristsIn 2024 there were 32 million touristsIt's not nothing but it's a big drop compared to pre-pandemic. Also you have to take into account that pre-pandemic most people were travelling with tour groups for much longer periods of time and spending more, whereas now a lot of visitors are just there for a few days on transit visas or while going to another country.However, revenue from foreign tourism was never important to China. What matters to them is the soft power and good impressions that tourism can give. Imo the visa free policies are not a reaction to less tourist revenue, but a move to increase China's soft power especially in Europe and middling developed countries. You can see this by the increase in paid CCP shill YouTubers from those countries. Back in the 2010s all of the CCP shills were British, American, or south African (so many south Africans for some reason). Now there are lots from all the countries of Europe, Russia, central Asia, the middle east, the Caucasus...This is also why enemy nations like the US, UK, Lithuania (supports Taiwan) and Sweden (sheltered lots of Chinese dissidents and exiles) don't have visa-free entry. It's a political tool, not a way to get money.
>>2835789>This is also why enemy nations like the US, UK, Lithuania (supports Taiwan) and Sweden (sheltered lots of Chinese dissidents and exiles) don't have visa-free entryHuh? A lot of Europe and Australia/NZ have visa free entry now and are entirely aligned with the US.
>>2835967Europe and Australia are considered in between the US and China and more subceptible to Chinese soft power. As you can see in Europe the countries which oppose China the most are not part of the scheme
>>2835967Do these European nations sail warships through the Formosa Strait?
How difficult is it to move to China from the United States? I’m thinking about becoming an English teacher while learning to speak Chinese, and I’d like to stay for at least a few years. However, I’m only just beginning this process, so I have more than enough time to change my plans. Thank you in advance, and sorry if you’ve answered this a thousand times.
>>2833289>>>/g/107071983ya keep posting this BBC article screenshot. The BBC tells the whole truth all the time.
>>2836998If you want to go straight in the deep end, fly into Xi'an and go to Gansu. It's the poorest province, incredible nature and history, and there are no foreigners so people will fetishise youOther good options are Yunnan, north/west Sichuan, inner Mongolia, and Xinjiang
>>2836953If you think it's a lie, you can contact them so they will fix it. That's how it works in western countries, chang. You don't understand the concept of governments and media being held accountable if they lie.
>>2837089The result is too much hubris as you demonstrate now.
>>2837089>>2836953It's somewhat disingenuous to call it a cave, as it's really just a dugout in the side of a hill. And most of them have fully plastered walls and are outfitted just like a house (because people moved out of the old and crumbling ones). I have some friends whose families live in them and they're really cool in the summer. But I don't think anyone under the age of 60 will live in them anymore.
About to book a flight and need to avoid places I won't be able to communicate in. Which cities should don't speak mandarin? Or have a weird dialect/accent which will make it hard for me to understand
What's the food like in Ganzhou? The food was disgusting in Chongqing. Their only aims were to make it as hot as possible and as salty = good
>>2837003>Gansu>Xinjiang>Inner Mongolia These are almost a completely different country from what most people think of China. It would be like if I've never been to the US, and I went to Puerto Rico or Hawaii for the first time. It's not that they aren't cool, but they aren't exactly representative of the core country. I'd like a more typical Chinese experience for the first time. Yunnan and Shaanxi provinces look really cool though. Might look into those. Also how's Shanghai? I know it's touristy, but it also looks like a fun vibrant city that also happens to have a lot of history.
>>2837164>Also how's Shanghai? I know it's touristy, but it also looks like a fun vibrant city that also happens to have a lot of history.That's basically it. It's very touristy by Chinese standards, which still means you will probably not see many westerners, but you'll notice some stuff is easier to deal with as an english speaker compared to the majority of China. Definitely avoid during Chinese holidays though, and it's a lot more expensive than the other cities.
>>2837175>which still means you will probably not see many westernersExcept in the nightlife, I should add. I've never seen so many 6'5+ euro gigachads in a single area before as I did in Shanghai
>>2837089Where were you during lockdowns? During Januray 6th? During the Biden election? The media lies all the fucking time. You must be the most bluepilled, libtarded democrat shill if you think the media never lies in western countries. Or maybe you genuinely think Biden won the 2020 election fair and square.
>>2837191Of course the media lies. Right wing media is especially skilled at propagating falsehoods. Case in point, incel faggothttps://youtu.be/LTn6IqEc_co?si=MC2BPiOxtlkUzJBj
>>2837204Fuck off back to CCPland you fucking communist rat. Go listen to your communist party of china propaganda if you hate fox news so much. The right wing is back under Trump and we will crush you bugs.
>>2837162Did you avoid the most crowded places? Going to empty restaurants or unpatronized stalls to avoid crowds is how you end up saying "Chinese food sucks", because the food you ate does indeed suck.
>>2837211lol do you even realize you’re acting more authoritarian than the nation you unwaveringly support? You have no real ideology, your beliefs are entirely based on opposing people you refuse to get along with. Incel behavior kekPs: I still think you deserve a well paying job and affordable healthcare, because unlike you, I have principles
>>2837219Oops meant to type >than the nation you unwaveringly oppose
>>2837215Logistics? Kek what's wrong with you. You definitely can?
>>2837213I never said Chinese food was bad, you rim job. And typical, you don't answer my question you just ask me some back. I went to popular establishes or every class
>>2837221Like where do you meet them? At a club or bar? Can you bring them into your hotel room? Will the staff get angry? Are Chinses people angry when foreigners sleep with their women?
有人有 YouTube 频道推荐吗?
>>2837164You said you wanted adventurous I gave you adventurousIf you want to experience the core of Chinese culture, go to Henan. I recommend Luoyang for history, Sanmenxia for nature, and Zhengzhou for culture. >ShanghaiQuite literally the opposite of what you asked for. It's a massive touristy city with absolutely no history or culture. The main attractions are the bund (European style buildings and skyscrapers) and Disneyland.>>2837175There are tons of westerners in Shanghai, don't be silly>>2837162Ganzhou is Jiangxi food which is very spicy and somewhat sweetI like but maybe not to your tastes>>2837256国外平台上的“中国旅行”频道要么是分红要么是反共你最好看b站和小红书的视频,更靠谱更符合真是
>>2836998>>2837003>>2837245>>2836760Go to one of the Muslim villages in Gansu or Yunnan, the Muslim girls there are sexually repressed in their villages and become total sluts when moving out and remove their hijabs.Muslim girls in Xi'an are willing to marry foreigners to move out of China.
>>2836998>>2837264There's also Muslims in Qinghai.Pretend to be a Bosnian Muslim or something when the Muslim men try to ward you off.
>>2837264>>2837265If I wanted hot Muslim girls, I'd rather go to Tajikistan or Azerbaijan.
>>2837269Tashkurgan in Xinjiang has hot Muslim girls. They are Tajik Pamiris and look more beautiful than regular Tajiks.
>>2837258》You said you wanted adventurous I gave you adventurous把色的我也不喜欢政治视频,但我刚才上YouTube看到了这位女士的视频。特别可爱 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cfeLh52ZxY
>>2837222you called it disgusting lol put some effort into your posts, otherwise people will extrapolate your words. This goes for all aspects of communicating, not just on 4chan
>>2837269Han Chinese men are literally doing that and picking up hot Tajik Muslim wives.https://archive.is/uOzMWhttps://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121081244278767616>I used to see Han men in Tajikistan married to the local Tajik women.https://archive.is/8jepFhttps://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121104703264366592>Do something about it. Tajik men are finished. Would rather wageslave, get drunk, and whore around in Russia than take care of their families and wives.
>>2837269>>2837320https://nextshark.com/tajik-woman-marcona-chinese-migrant-husband-pictures/https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1876805&highlight=http://shanghaiist.com/2016/12/07/tajiki_migrant_marriage/>IN PHOTOS: A day in the life of a Tajik woman who married a Chinese migrant worker>A 24-year-old woman from Tajikistan who married a Sichuan migrant worker has recently become popular on Chinese social media after a photographer documented a day in her life.>Marcona (or мapчoнa) met her husband Wang Xuequan four years ago in Tajikistan. Marcona was working in the kitchen of the construction site where Wang was assigned. As Marcona began to learn Mandarin from Chinese migrant workers, she became close with Wang due to their similar backgrounds and experiences. The couple fell in love and soon decided to tie the knot.>After following Wang to Taiwan, Marcona and Wang eventually relocated to Shanxi province with their son.>Wang goes to work early every day, leaving Marcona and their son in their dorm room. The stay-at-home mom looks after their child and does the household chores.>Marcona told the photographer that she has gotten used to living in the workers’ dorm located on the construction site. She treats it like their family home.>As a young mother, Marcona likes to whip out her phone to snap photos of her son. She documents her life on her WeChat account where she uses Chinese and Tajiki to express herself.>When it comes to parenting, Marcona said she primarily uses Mandarin to educate her child. After all, she says, they are living in China.>During lunch time, Marcona and her son eat at the construction site’s cafeteria. “At first, I was not accustomed to Chinese food, particularly spicy Sichuan food. People in my country eat a lot of bread, but Chinese people live on rice and noodles,” she said. “But I have adapted to it now.”>Sometimes, the mother and son take their lunch back home to eat.Marjona
>>2826526>>2826531Japanese women getting pregnant by white Danish sperm donors.Over 500 Japanese women go to Denmark for sperm donations from white Nordic Danish men. Japanese women are lobbying for even more Danish sperm donations.https://archive.is/Jvs6e>More than 500 women in Japan made use of a major Denmark-based sperm bank in the roughly three and half years through last October, a recent report by the company showed, highlighting growing domestic demand for the service.>Cryos International, the world's largest sperm bank with around 1,000 registered donors, has sold sperm to single women, sexual minorities and women with infertile husbands in Japan since officially launching local consultation services in March 2019https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/over-500-women-in-japan-used-overseas-sperm-bank-as-demand-growshttps://www.progress.org.uk/danish-sperm-bank-used-by-over-500-women-in-japan-since-2019/https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/01/e77c3bb47fe4-over-500-women-in-japan-used-overseas-sperm-bank-as-demand-grows.htmlhttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230130/p2g/00m/0li/003000chttps://www.nst.com.my/world/region/2020/11/642452/japanese-women-using-denmark-based-sperm-bankAsian feminists celebrate Japanese women using white Danish sperm donors.https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/11ahkgm/over_500_women_in_japan_used_overseas_sperm_bank/
>>2837322>Shijiazhuangactually there are lots of Russians theredownload xiaohongshu/rednote and post "I am going to X city at Y time and want to meet locals to do Z" then post a picture of yourself (if you are not indian)this way you can meet lots of locals, one of my German friends used to do this, every time he would get over 100 comments and people asking if he was interested in donationhttps://archive.is/Jvs6e>More than 500 women in Japan made use of a major Denmark-based sperm bank in the roughly three and half years through last October, a recent report by the company showed, highlighting growing domestic demand for the service.>Cryos International, the world's largest sperm bank with around 1,000 registered donors, has sold sperm to single women, sexual minorities and women with infertile husbands in Japan since officially launching local consultation services in March 2019https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/over-500-women-in-japan-used-overseas-sperm-bank-as-demand-growshttps://www.progress.org.uk/danish-sperm-bank-used-by-over-500-women-in-japan-since-2019/https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2023/01/e77c3bb47fe4-over-500-women-in-japan-used-overseas-sperm-bank-as-demand-grows.htmlhttps://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230130/p2g/00m/0li/003000chttps://www.nst.com.my/world/region/2020/11/642452/japanese-women-using-denmark-based-sperm-bankAsian feminists celebrate Japanese women using white Danish sperm donors.https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/11ahkgm/over_500_women_in_japan_used_overseas_sperm_bank/
>>2837322>>2837325https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15274601/#q15275678>>>/his/15275678Japanese cucks wanted to make all Japanese half white by whoring Japanese women to white men.https://archived.moe/news/thread/1107552/#q1107559https://archived.moe/news/thread/1077758/#q1078232Chinese man tricks Japanese woman into having sex with him 10 timeshttps://archive.alice.al/news/thread/1077758/#q1078232>>>/news/1077758https://www.businessinsider.com/japan-mom-give-up-baby-sues-sperm-donor-for-education-and-wife-lies-2022-12022 July 29A Japanese woman is giving up her child to the state and suing her sperm donor after he lied about his ethnicity and educational background.The woman, in her thirties, who lives in Tokyo with her husband and first-born child, had sex with the sperm donor ten times due to conceive a second child, after it came to light her husband had a hereditary disease, according to the Tokyo Shimbun.The donor told her he was Japanese, single, and a graduate of Kyoto University, one of the best universities in Japan.The woman, who has remained nameless in Japanese news reports, got pregnant in June 2019.However, during her pregnancy, she learned that the donor was, in fact, Chinese, went to a different university and was married.https://news.yahoo.com/japanese-woman-gives-baby-sues-184839225.htmlhttps://nypost.com/2022/01/12/woman-places-baby-for-adoption-after-learning-sperm-donor-lied/https://www.vice.com/en/article/akvkb5/japan-sperm-donationWoman Gives Up Child After Learning Sperm Donor Lied About His Ethnicity and EducationThe woman had sex with the sperm donor 10 times to get pregnant, Japanese media reports.By Hanako MontgomeryJapanese women using white spermhttps://english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/12/2700d6ae77fd-feature-japans-unmarried-sexual-minorities-forced-to-use-foreign-sperm-banks.htmlhttps://archive.alice.al/news/thread/1077758/#q1078232
>>2837322>>2837325>>2837326https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/world/asia/08korea.htmlEx-Prostitutes Say South Korea and U.S. Enabled Sex Trade Near BasesGive this articleBae worked as a prostitute near an American military base in South Korea, an activity that American and Korean authorities permitted, some Koreans say.Bae worked as a prostitute near an American military base in South Korea, an activity that American and Korean authorities permitted, some Koreans say.Credit...Jean Chung for the International Herald TribuneBy Choe Sang-HunJan. 7, 2009SEOUL, South Korea South Korea has railed for years against the Japanese government’s waffling over how much responsibility it bears for one of the ugliest chapters in its wartime history: the enslavement of women from Korea and elsewhere to work in brothels serving Japan’s imperial army.Now, a group of former prostitutes in South Korea have accused some of their country’s former leaders of a different kind of abuse: encouraging them to have sex with the American soldiers who protected South Korea from North Korea. They also accuse past South Korean governments, and the United States military, of taking a direct hand in the sex trade from the 1960s through the 1980s, working together to build a testing and treatment system to ensure that prostitutes were disease-free for American troops.While the women have made no claims that they were coerced into prostitution by South Korean or American officials during those years, they accuse successive Korean governments of hypocrisy in calling for reparations from Japan while refusing to take a hard look at South Korea’s own history.“Our government was one big pimp for the U.S. military,” one of the women, Kim Ae-ran, 58, said in a recent interview.Scholars on the issue say that the South Korean government was motivated in part by fears that the American military would leave, and that it wanted to do whatever it could to prevent that.
>>2837325>>2837328https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1686298256039399424>Japanese women on White men:https://twitter.com/DJBIndustries/status/1685845109927981056https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhP_bCxhTdgWould Japanese Girls Date a White Foreigner? #shorts765,986 views Jun 14, 2023We hit the streets of Osaka to find out what Japanese girls think of white guys and if they'd be open to date them!#japan #dating #relationship #date #love #streetinterview #asia #asianboss #staycurioushttps://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/67b8ii/til_there_is_a_white_man_caf%C3%A9_in_tokyo_where/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJsSoaomZSwhttps://factrepublic.com/facts/12480https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_caf%C3%A9https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/08/butlers-cafe-taps-into-a-common-fantasy-among-japanese-women.htmlhttps://www.neogaf.com/threads/%E2%80%9Cwhite-man%E2%80%9D-caf%C3%A9-in-tokyo.1567847/https://www.inverse.com/article/10730-tokyo-butler-cafes-white-men-in-japan-race-immigration-future-cities/https://www.tsunagujapan.com/you-can-be-a-princess-for-a-day-try-japans-butler-cafes/https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2008/01/20/general/savor-the-sensation-of-being-a-princess/
>>2837289Mate I said Chongqing food is disgusting. That's why I want to know if Ganzhou has the same cuisine. I want to stay somewhere that has food ill enjoy
>>2837258Oh thanks, that's a big shame. I wanted to try a 3rd tier city and Ganzhou is the only one that has flights from London. I love hot food but it was something about the way they did it, the dried chili had an unpleasant taste and the chili and there weren't much nice flavours behind the chili and salt
>>2837258People here here make out you're a baby if you don't like super hot blow your head off food. It's not even that I can't handle it because I have a very high tolerance. But come on surely most people have to be able to admit pic related is just not enjoyable, you don't want this kind of stuff all day every day while your on holiday especially as the weather is super hot too
>>2837264Uyghurs?
>>2837386Ganzhou has flights from London? are you sure you don't mean Guangzhou?dried chillis are bitter, you're not meant to eat them, you just pick them out/eat around them. Yes it's retarded I know.>>2837387stuff like that (aubergine)? is only eaten by drunk retards and village dwellersI think you would enjoy northeastern (dongbei) food, it's less over-the-top, has more vegetables, and focuses on the original flavour of the ingredients. All my other British friends in China absolutely loved it. Also they have the best dumplings.Other common recommendations are Cantonese and Shanghai (Jiangsu) food, but I think that Cantonese has too many weird animals and soups and Shanghai is way too sweet.The only thing about 3rd tier cities in dongbei is that they are REALLY third tier. Ganzhou is actually ok, it's like the second city of Jiangxi, but in Dongbei all the 3rd tier cities are crumbling post-industrial wastelands.
>>2837264>>2837388Muslims in Gansu are Hui, they are usually very strictly religious and observe prayer, ramadan, etc. They also follow Muslim marriage customs (a non-Muslim wife has to convert, and you can't marry a non-Muslim husband). This is because sufi sects have historically been very influential in Hui society.As for Uyghurs, religion is a lot less important to them, partially because the government has supressed it but partially because they converted late and identified with polities/cities not their religion. From my experience, almost all the Uyghur girls who move to inland cities have deconverted and only follow halal rules (which for them is just no pork no alcohol). The guys tend to hang onto their religion a bit more, but they usually end up marrying non-Muslims and don't get them to convert (religious prosleytisation is illegal in China).As for the Hui, they really keep their religion, even in big cities. I knew a girl from Hebei who got married to a Hui guy from Beijing, and she was basically forced to be completely Muslim in the house. Couldn't eat pork, couldn't drink, had to follow ramadan and even pray sometimes. But once she got out of her husband's sight that all changed, lol.
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>>2837393You have no idea what you are talking a about.Hui people drink and do drugs when people aren't looking. They act like that in public to save face.All "devout" Muslims are like that. Many "religious" Middle Easterners from countries stereotyped as devout get railed on alcohol when they get out and nobody is looking.Hui girls take off their hijabs when they are away from their families like in the cities.Many Hui in less densely Muslim areas outside Gansu and Beijing Muslim quarter don't even pretend to be devout in publicThere are Hui girls that married non-Muslims.Also, Gansu and Qinghai has other Muslim ethnicities like Dongxiang and Bonan and Salar (who also act the same).>This is because sufi sects have historically been very influential in Hui society.>but partially because they converted late and identified with polities/cities not their religionLolwut. Uyghurs also followed Sufi sects. The Hui Khufiya Sufi order came from the Uyghur Afaqi Sufi order. Also the Uyghurs converted 1,100 years ago in the Qarakhanid Khanate, not recently.Also Islam allows temporary misyar marriage, which Uyghur women practiced with merchants and tourists.Uyghur girls in Yarkand would get Muslim mullahs to temporary marriage them to Han soldiers or Han merchants or Hindu moneylenders or Russians in the 1800s to the 1940sThey would have children with the men during the temporary marriages tooThe communists banned islamic temporary marriage in 1949.Islam also allows halala (wife swapping with other men) and other shit you'd be surprised to see.
>>2837393>>2837396>As for the Hui, they really keep their religion, even in big cities. I knew a girl They literally live in Beijing's Muslim quarter, their hometown, they didn't move away from their family or home city.Ask Hui girls who actually move from their original city or village into another city when nobody is looking.>but partially because they converted late and identified with polities/cities not their religion.This is communist propaganda.As I said look up Qarakhanid khanate.>and only follow halal rules (which for them is just no pork no alcohol)Many Muslims from MENA do this. North Africans are like this in France.Turks from Turkey and Azeris are like this.They only skip pork and alcohol in public, sometimes they don't even avoid alcohol.And Hui lie to you all the time in public. They do drink alcohol when nobody looks.Hui did opium along with Han in the 19th century but denied it in public.MENA girls will also sleep with non-Muslim guys if and when they can.Poor Indonesian Muslim and Egyptian Muslim girls also do temporary misyar marriage with sex tourists.They are all hypocrites.Uyghur mullahs married Uyghur girls in Kashgar, Khotan, Yarkand to non-Muslim Han men, Hindus, Russians.
>>2837393>>2837396>>2837398Islam literally encourages you to hide your sins like adultery, alcohol drinking and then pray to Allah to forgive you.Allah will forgive those who hide their sins and I do then in private according to devout Muslims. And he may even forgive those Muslims who sin in public through his mercy.Islam literally encourages you to act like a massive hypocrite in public. You are supposed to hide your own sins and the sins of other Muslims that you see and ask Allah to forgive yourself and them.Look up hiding your sins in Islam, misyar, halala.Only unforgivable sin in Islam is shirk (worshipping other than Allah)All other sins are forgivable. A Muslim woman sleeping with a non-Muslim man can be forgiven, that's just fornication. Drinking alcohol can be forgiven.
>>2837392Yep from Heathrow, and definitely not Guangzhou. I was very surprised too, pleasantly surprised and excited. I just went to screen shot it for you but it's not there anymore, like I dreamt it. This is so weird.Pretty sure that Fish, I was actually served stuff like this in Chongqing, even took pictures. "REALLY third tier" is what I want. I loved Chongqing but I need to get away from super polished, commercial and superficial, it's really not my thing. I despise it. Also I don't want to even see another tourist taking pictures of themselves with a dumb expression uinfront of their trophy landmark
>>2837392Actually clicked send before completing the paragraph. I'll look for regions that are part of Dongbei cuisine. Hopefully those cities aren't at all similar to what I'm trying to avoid. I'll definitely give Shanghai a miss. Weird meats are no problem for me. Sweet can be just as bad and worse that hit though. I'm going to have to do a lot of work trying to find the perfect place.And I'm determined to find those Ganzhou flights for you haha, I promise they were there yesterday.Thanks for the help, I'm at least a bit less lost
>>2837401The 9/11 hijackers drank alcohol and went to clubs before hijacking. They didn’t pray in public. They shaved their beards.North African girls in France who joined ISIS were massive parry sluts who slept with non-Muslim men and didn't even wear hijabs.Tajik and Uzbek Al-Qaeda and ISIS terrorists are even reputed to drink vodka and other alcohol, they get drunk and do fornicationAlso Uzbek girls are prostitutes in India, Israel and Thailand where they service Jewish, Hindu and other non-Muslim men.And yet Uzbeks and Uyghurs and Tajik Sunnis are the biggest foreign fighters for Al-Qaeda and ISIS.There are thousands of Uyghur, Uzbek and Tajik jihadists in Syria and Afghanistan.What >>2837393 doesn't get is that Islam preaches you can sin, be a whore and get drunk, and then wipe all your sins away by doing jihad against non-Muslims.A North African girl who parties and gets railed by black menAn Uzbek prostitute in Pattaya getting railed by non-Muslim sex tourists.Can all wipe their sins away by asking Allah to forgive them and repentOr joining a terrorist group to do "jihad"Their religion is just hypocrisy.A Uyghur girl can sleep with 10,000 non-Muslim men and still go to heaven in the end.Islam is not Calvinist protestsntism where you are saved by works.
>>2837393I was asking if you were talking about Uyghurs or are these actual Chinese women, this sounds pretty strange. Also why would they go wild when given the opportunity when foreigners are present? I've been to Muslim countries and the women make sure they steal in line with their religion no matter how oppressed they feel, it's non negotiable for them
>>2837407You're talking to a different person, and Indonesian girls, Azeri girls and Turkish girls will openly sleep with non-Muslim men in their own countries and not just in the diaspora.There are Hui Muslim girls in Xi'an who won't marry local Xi'an Han (because they have to stick around their families), but they marry rich Han men from Hong Kong or overseas Han men from Australia, America or Canada if they would take them with them
>>2837407https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Servaty>Philippe Servaty is a Belgian[1] Walloon journalist who formerly worked for Brussels-based newspaper Le Soir.[2] While in Morocco from 2002–05, he engaged in sex with over 80 Moroccan women, promising to take them to Belgium.[3] Before leaving for Belgium, he asked them for sexual photos as souvenirs and photographed them in poses that could be seen as degrading. They included ejaculating on the face of a veiled woman and having another woman kneel, bound, and gagged while he urinated on her.[3][4] After returning to Belgium, he published the photos on the internet under the pseudonym, 'Belguel' and included captions such as, "There is no better drug than to ejaculate on the veiled face of a woman." "These sluts are so naive. If you promise to marry them and take them along with you to Brussels they do whatever you ask" and “I met her walking down the street in her djellaba. A few minutes later, the fucking bitch did everything I wanted. Miracles do happen, even in a Muslim country!”.[2][3][5][6]>At least one of the women filed a complaint to the police in Morocco, after a CD-ROM of the pictures began circulating in marketplaces in Agadir.[3] The police arrested her, as well as many of the other women pictured, as posing for pornographic photos is a crime in Morocco.[3][7][8] At least two of the women attempted suicide while in prison, and several have disappeared, either in hiding or murdered by their families in honor killings.[3][7] Moroccan authorities asked Belgium to press charges against Servaty.[3] Belgium declined, as the photos are not illegal under Belgian law.[3][7] He may face charges for making anti-Islamic statements, a crime under Belgian and European Union laws.[3] Additionally, Moroccan authorities have stated that he will be arrested if he returns to Morocco; he had previously been arrested there for possession of pornography. Due to the scandal, Servaty resigned from Le Soir.[2][4]
>>2837410Fucking hell, what a hero. Get those picture nao.I know what Moroccans are slags, Turkish and south eat Asian women don't give a fuck either, everyone takes things as absolutes here
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>>2837481This is crazy. Somehow women in SEA are still ugly. How long will it take for there to be a decent percentage of mixed girls. Forever apparently, but it just might entice me to visit again if the effects of this vile behaviour become widespread enough.>>2837480Very obvious, this isn't news
>>2826210only uyghurs being arrested are criminalsstop falling for western propaganda
>>2837490By criminals, do you mean not sucking off the CCP and winnie the poo?
>>2837494Uyghur terrorists are killing Syrian Christians.
What the fucks are Weegers anyway? Central Asians? Why are they even there?
>>2837506tldr they are the descendants of Turks who migrated into the area in the 6th century, mixed with lots of other peoples over time, and settled in oasis cities around the Taklamakan desert.
>>2837527That's pretty interesting. They should be given a lump sum land and for themselves somewhere else and live the rest of their days free and happy. Seems like China isn't the place for them.
And people are still crying over Palestine, showing levels of sympathy unknown to man before this. People that are in a war hah. A Uyghur never crossed their mind. The average person is unbelievably dull minded and thoughtless
>>2837258you made the only good post in the thread. I'm afraid I won't be returning to this board againthanks space cowboy
>>2837561Kys
>>2837536Xinjiang should honestly just be its own country
>>2837787Yep, the whole ordeal just seems very unnecessary
Other than the few most touristic spots China doesn't really do holiday apartments. I was always a fan of Hotels because they're straight forward but these days I think having an apartment is essential. I don't want to have to eat out every meal, I don't want to have to rush out first thing in the morning to search for breakfast. Having a kitchen to eat in with a fridge, and a microwave to just pop a takeaway in makes a holiday way more relaxing.I'm trying to think of a way around this. Would it be easy to find someone selling a microwave like it is in the west with people desperate to sell their old goods for extra cash?
>>2838021Some thoughts:>Don't do holiday apartments In my experience most places in China including small cities have 民宿 which is like airbnb. However a lot of them don't have kitchens or won't take foreigners so you need to be careful when choosing. However, in Qingdao, Yantai, Harbin, and Shenyang I was all able to find minsus which took foreigners and had kitchens (at least a fridge and a microwave and a sink). You can usually find these on 美团 or 去哪儿>Microwave to pop a takeaway inWhy not just order one for breakfast then? It's so cheap, and they usually get to you within half an hour. You can even place an order in advance so they deliver it to you the next day when you want.In my experience waimai usually isn't delivered cold, and you can even buy an insulating bag for like one yuan if you think it will be. >Second hand microwaves Yes they probably are sold, you can check on 闲鱼. But I don't know what you'd do with one - would you bring it everywhere you travel? Would you buy a new one in each place? It seems impractical. Also this doesn't solve the fridge problem.You could stay in hotels above 7/11s or convenience stores. That way you can just go out in the morning and use their microwave and buy something from there. Or you could go to the hotel breakfast (usually pretty crap in China but oh well.). Or you could stay near a 早市 Which usually have really good food that is fast and you can take back home to eat.
>>2838038Well the plan was to just leave the microwave there every time leaving the hotel staff bewildered when I check out haha. Not the most sane strategy but I'm used to doing unconventional things that work. That's all that matters, not like I'm traveling 20 times a year.I avoid using technology abroad, is much room for things to mess up, also if the hygiene is anything like the deliveroo etc drivers here I'd rather not.I downloaded this mei[something] can't read the second character, my manderin isn't good. Looks like a shilling app and it looks like it may not have an English translation. It sounds perfect if I can make it useable. And good tip about the 7/11s too.I was thinking about Fuzhou, do you think I can find a similar apartments there, if not I'll look at Harbin and the others. Also what are those cities like? I'd like a non glamorous, interesting, and real experience. Least foreign influence as possible (which will obviously bring difficulties I'm prepared for). Thanks for the well thought out response
>got a warning for "discussion of prostitution and sex tourism" because I said I wanted to bang a Chinese chickOh cmon. I meant the old fashioned way. What a gay ass board.
>>2838050>hygiene of delivery driversI would say it's pretty good in general, but you need to be careful with the restaurant. Avoid anything sushi, dairy, and ESPECIALLY buffets and takeout that is from buffet-style restaurants (this is the only thing that actually gave me food poisoning).>meituan (美团)this is like an everything app, you can book hotels, order takeout, get discounts at restaurants, book flights and trains tickets, etc. It has no English version like most apps in China, but you can use screen translation tools. Hotels and flights and trains you can book on trip.com, they have minsus there as well, but I think there are no English-language apps for takeout and restaurants. China is EXTREMELY reliant on technology, physical and in-person services come second. Not to say they don't exist, but there is no way to give a restaurant a phone call and order takeout for example. You kinda have to use their apps.>FuzhouI've not been but my girlfriend has and she liked it. It's a big and developed city so you can definitely find suitable apartments there. >what are other cities likeHarbin is the northernmost major city in the country, lots of Russian architecture and influence, but the people are all Chinese. Surprisingly beautiful in summer but -25c in winter.Yantai is a smaller seaside city known for its scenery. Lots of important Daoist sites in Penglai nearby.Qingdao is the former German concession, lots of German influence and beer. Very clean and organised, it's a good place for expats wanting a taste of home but I would not recommend for normal touristsShenyang is shit, its boring afYou don't have to worry about foreign influence anywhere other than Shanghai, and maybe Beijing and Guangzhou. China is an insular country and the average Chinese city is similar to a small town in the American midwest on the level of foreign cultural influence it has.I would recommend for you:>Xi'an>Luoyang>Nanchang>Changsha
>>2838058So I guess it may not be that Fuzhou does have apartments, minsus as you call them but I've been looking in the wrong places (booking.co). I'll check trip and try and get a translation took for the app. Harbin sounds really interesting with the Russian stuff, I'm a fan off everything soviet. I'm sure the food is good too, as it'll be a bit different being so north. I'm enticed. Xi'an looks amazing but it's a bit sensationalised. I've got a feeling I'll find instergrammers there, people travel everywhere these days, and trying to find "weird" places to seem cool. Like Korea, 10 years ago nobody even comprehended a possible holiday to Korea, not it's the in thing. They're probably moving on from Korea at this point. Now I'm rambling
>>2838062yeah, booking only works well in the big cities. Trip and if you can be bothered meituan will have much better results - but with meituan make sure to check the place takes foreigners. Everything on trip takes foreigners.Harbin food is really tasty and more palatable to westerners. My other western friends even those who don't like Chinese food loved it.Xi'an is definitely more of a popular and developed tourism destination than the other cities I mentioned, and there are more western tourists there (but mostly they just stay for a day or two to see the teracotta army). It's definitely more authentic than any massive city like Beijing or Shanghai tho, but I see your point, and yes there are cringe influencers there - which Fuzhou and similar sized cities don't really have.If you have any other questions I can try help answer, I lived in China for a year (2024-2025), went to like 30 places, and speak fluent Mandarin, so I think I am relatively qualified
Im a hipster and i would rather visit China than Japan is it easier to learn Chinese?
>>2838065Wow you're really living it, that's my aim. I'd love to live there for a bit, I've been learning mandarin for a long while now and still haven't got it. When I make a Chinese friend it'll be way easier.
>>2838065What do you think about travelling to small towns or villages by by train/bus? I'm worried I could have some difficulties and don't want to get stranded? I'd love to see old China before all the crappy glass buildings and unnecessary tech, that time has gone but I'm sure there are some nice little gems to be found. I'm aware I could have problems with some unknown dialects. What kind of places did you visit, and do you have any special memories that tuck with you? And just to confirm Fuzhou is a good choice, as your girlfriend said? I tried to find the least corporate and relatively humble place but when you only have tier 1 and 2 cities to choose from online there isn't opportunity to seek anything outside of that.You're a godsend man
>>2838164Yes, don't worry, you can learn it in an hour
>>2838196keep it up man>>2838197>before all the glass and techmostly soviet style concrete lol. I've been to a few very small towns that are completely off the radar of anyone in the country, they usually have local stuff that might be interesting. There will almost definitely be buses but the best way of getting to these towns is taxi or 顺风车 which is like paid hitchhiking (you can use the 滴滴顺风车 applet in wechat or the didi app). Although I've not been there, some friends from Guangdong tell me that the small towns there have remarkably well preserved old buildings. >what kind of places did you visitmostly small to medium sized cities and some natureI will list themBeijing, Tianjin, Shijiazhuang, Handan, Changzhi, Datong, Anyang, Luoyang, Kaifeng, Xi'an, Yinchuan, Shenyang, Harbin, Mudanjiang, Qingdao, Yantai, Chengdu, Aba Tibetan AP, Alxa banner, Kucha, Kashgar, Yarkent, Ili Kazakh AP, Urumqi, Turpan, Hami.>special memoriesVisiting Yinchuan in the middle of winter when there was not a single tourist there and driving through the Mongolian desert in some random guy's car which broke downGiant buddha grottoes in Luoyang then having to sit in some random guy's car for 12 hours back to Beijing because all the train tickets were sold outEating tieguodun with my friends in a Mao-themed restaurant in HarbinA Hui Imam in Hami lecturing me about halal food >Fuzhouyeah, it's a medium sized city with a nice (rebuilt) old town, but there will definitely be high-rises and skyscrapers there, you can only get away from those in sub-city level towns.
>>2838227>顺风车 which is like paid hitchhikingAah very very interesting, when I went to Chongqing I stayed in the city because I was petrified of being stranded somewhere in such an un-tourist friendly country, it definitely wouldn't be the same as getting lost in Italy. The problem isn't getting there it's getting back who knows what could go wrong so knowing there are people around who will take some money to let me ride back with them if needed changes everything. I'm dying to get out to explore properly. Big city life is only half of it. Taxi though, that sounds ridiculously expensive, hopefully I won't have to resort to that.So I use a function called 滴滴顺风车 in WeChat, what is an applet though?You've been on a hell of a ride, im looking forward to having a similar experience of my own.>RebuiltOld town haha. In this day and age I'll take it
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>>2838164Prefering China over Japan is for thirdies and perhaps also techbros but certainly not hipsters. Go to Taiwan for that.You can learn tourist phrases easily but you will not understand anything said back to you. But you should understand prices so definitely learn numbers up to 10000. Good for Taiwan where cash is still useful and even in the mainland when you sometimes need to manually enter the price into Alipay/Wechat if it's a lowkey restaurant.
>>2838573 when you sometimes need to manually enter the price into Alipay/Wechat Holy shit, I forgot about this, it was one of the most annoying travel things ever. They all about woooo techhhh, but to me all this crap seems is ironically archaic. I'm imagining an alternate universe where we start off with AliPay then start using tokens. People will be saying remember we had to do all that clunky shit that was so slow and fiddly, on that device we had to make sure we didn't forget to charge up. No I just hand the guy this little thing and run off, it's amazing
>>2838240an applet is also called a mini program. It's an app inside of the main wechat app which you can use without downloading anything. You swipe down from the top of the main screen and search to access them, or scan a qr code. Useful for your trip because you only have to download wechat and alipay (and preferably gaode maps) all the other apps you can use within wechat itself>>2838577to be fair, it is very easy to keep your phone charged in China because of the public use powerbanks that are absolutely everywhere.Also, they only make you manually enter the price when it's you scanning to pay, which has the same convenience for the vendor as cash (no need to buy a payment processor or pay credit card fees) and avoids all the hassle of counting and converting cash. The main advantage of wechat pay over credit cards and cash isn't for the consumer, it's for the vendor - just having a qr code to collect all payments is so easy. Nobody is stopping you from using cash in China but they probably won't have change
>>2838583I download the Applet, sadly it's only in mandarin. It is amazing how the swipe function exists hidden in plain sight, I'd never have discovered it if you never told me. Maybe I'll find other applets that will be if use to me.The Ali pay does make sense for vendors. One day it'll be more smooth
>>2838058>Qingdao is the former German concession, lots of German influence and beer. Very clean and organised, it's a good place for expats wanting a taste of home but I would not recommend for normal touristsI was thinking of going to Qingdao as a stop between Beijing and Shanghai, why wouldnt you recommend it?
>>2838760if you've just come from Europe/America and are wanting to experience Chinese culture then it's very boring. There is just beer, European style houses, and seafood. It is basically just a scaled-down Shanghai with a German touch. Basically zero traditional architecture or anything historical or cultural bar beer.If you are looking for a similar experience, then I think Yantai and Penglai nearby would be more interesting.If you are just coming for the skyscrapers and beer then go ahead, but it's not an "authentic" China experience at all.I personally enjoyed my time there but that's because I had been surrounded by concrete commieblocks for ten months
What's up with the Chinese women working at service jobs. They make the same cartoon girl pitched voice that Japanese women do. Is this intentional, or do they actually have voices like this?
>>2840158It's intentional because Chinese men like itMost Chinese women's voices are a bit deep and maybe even gravelly, especially in the northeast and ShandongThis reflects the great divide in Chinese society between 甜妹 and 御姐
>>2840187I'm still thirsty for more information on this practice. Like there's gotta be a whole lot more to it than they do it because men like it. I've seen videos where they make that voice when serving females and no males are nearby. Are they supposed to be imitating girls/children?Ive heard some vietnamese women sounding like this naturally. It was wild
>>2826208Two questions about visas.1. Can the 10 day free transit visa be obtained multiple times via a "visa-run"2. For the L visa, the embassy wants "Documents showing the itinerary including air ticket booking record (round trip) and proof of a hotel reservation, etc. or an invitation letter issued by a relevant entity or individual in China." Does this mean I don't need an invitation letter if I have hotel reservations? I plan on doing this trip solo, but this is making me feel like a loser for it.
>>28413511. Yes but it'd be really impractical. You have to be going from country A -> China -> country B. So you'd have to alternate between different countries on every visa run. Maybe Japan and Korea, Hong Kong and Macau, or Vietnam and Laos could work. But probably too much effort.2. They mean you either need:A) itinerary, air ticket, hotel booking proofOrB) invitation letterYou don't need both. I recently applied for an L visa just with an invitation letter and didn't have to provide any of the other information.Also you can just make a fake itinerary with cancellable tickets then refund them once you get the visa.
>>2840295well, the Chinese "beauty standard" is for women to be innocent, childish, naive, submissive, even weak. You can see this in traditions like foot-binding which were intended to make women seem more vulnerable and more needy of a man's support. This idea originates from Song dynasty neo-Confucianism which emphasised men's power and right to control women (especially their wives). In imperial China (especially after the Song dynasty) women were not allowed to leave their houses and show themselves to other people, and even stuff like writing poetry was seen as promiscuous because it showed other men a woman's true thoughts and feelings - which were intended only for her husband. this brings us to the modern 甜妹 - a childish, innocent, and somewhat vulnerable woman who shows herself to you - thus enticing attraction and making the consumer think there is some connection to her. And naturally, as beauty standards are not limited to men, modern-day women consider this to be "beautiful" and praise it as well.御姐 is the opposite of this archetype and can be considered both a recent reaction to Song dynasty neo-Confucian ideas of female servility and a reversion to Tang dynasty Daoist principles which afforded women much greater freedom in society and even associated them with danger. It is also closely associated with the image of western (Anglo-European) women who are considered universally to be 御姐 and thus not desired by Chinese men, in contrast to their perception of Slavs.
>>2830587Pretty sure the gang would have threatened to murder her if she did.
oh no no nohttps://youtu.be/0OIaoRaGaC8
>>2842718Why are foreigners who travel to China always so creepy?
>>2842832*Travel youtubers
How nervous do you get before your trips to China? Are you more or less nervous that other destinations?
Is fujian a good province to solo travel around for 10 days? Looks like the tea, tulou buildings, and scenery are amazing. But maybe it'll all be underwhelming and a waste of time compared to going crazy at dessert shops in the t1 cities?
>>2843490Not nervous but I don't like running into the police outside of big cities as they are very corrupt and view foreigners as walking bags of cash for them to fine.>>2843492Yes but not in winterI wouldn't say it has amazing scenery but it's pretty good
>>2843508Why not in winter? It doesn't even get below 10deg C there.Are they really corrupt? That sucks. I imagine you just gotta deal with it, pay, and leave? That is, there's no chance of joking around with them and showing them you aren't a little faggot, and are chill?
Hi,I was thinking of taking advantage of the 10 day visa in China on my way to my true destination. Is February a good time to visit? I want to go somewhere where I can have fun and be a degenerate. Chongqing seems interesting, but I have never solo travelled before and I honestly don't know where to start researching on what to do. Also, I was born and raised in the West but I'm ethnically Tajik, am I gonna get a hard time from the locals?
>have to declare my USA ex-military and ex-government positions any time I visit china according to laws of both USA and china>every time I visit around 2 or 3 days into staying somewhere, a mysterious and absolutely gorgeous young chinese woman with suspiciously decent english enters my life and acts absolutely fascinated by me, and tries to accelerate the relationship at lightspeed to staying with me even if I'm just based out of a hotel>mind blowing lovey dovey sex for a week-ish>then the casual questions about what I used to do begin>make up stupid stuff and she gets slowly more and more cagey and weird>vanishes into the ether 2ish weeks after Thank you for the honeypot whores Xi, I truly appreciate it. I don't know how or where you train these spy courtesans, but they are quite good at their job. I'm sure they work amazingly well on men who are sub 130iq or who simply don't care.I'm certain you've also flooded the USA with these girls, and they are dutifully latched onto all techbros out there, feeding you endless industrial secrets. Truly, asian pussy is the weakness of the white men and will probably be our ultimate downfall.
>>2843544>TajikGo to Xinjiang
>>2843532there's no heating in southern China in winter so even though it's only like 10 degrees it's still really cold inside everywhereIndividual policemen are usually quite corrupt because they only get the job through department corruption (money for jobs) in the first place. I've never resisted because it seems like a surefire way to get taken to their boss who will definitely be equally bad.>>2843544Chongqing is unironically super boring, it's only worth it for the pictures. If you want to have fun go to Beijing or Shanghai.People are typically wary of citizens of Muslim countries, and they have stricter requirements on registering for accomodation etc (the police will check on them more)if you have a western passport you will be fine>>2843566not included in the transit visa policy. only the green places in the map are.
>>2843652Wasn't interested in Xingjiang anyway, if I was looking for that kind of trip I'd just go to Tajikistan. I have a Western passport and was born in the West so I'm not worried about government authorities, but I'm just a bit nervous about how I'll be treated socially. I don't know much about China and how other ethnicities are treated there, but like I'm really white but also really hairy.Anyway, after some more research I was thinking of switching to Shanghai like you said. If I go I'd be going during CNY. Is it a bad idea to go then?
>>2843746Just to clarify, I think my trip would be around Feb 9-19th
>>2843746>>2843749A trip during CNY is not a great idea. Everyone else is also travelling at that time and you will be unable to use trains, planes etc during the period right at the start (from around the 13th to the 17th).Also there will be a lot less going on after the 13th because all the people in big cities go back to their actual hometowns.If you can go earlier it would be better.White people all look same to Chinese, they won't be able to tell where you're from. You'll be fine unless you go somewhere rural and do something stupid. You can be as stupid as you like in big cities because of foreigner privilege.Shanghai is fun and westernised so easy to get a feel for the country first before going somewhere more authentic.
I'm in an existential crisis and I want to disappear in a gigantic alien futuristic city, smoking cigarettes while looking at the city skyline at sunset.Whre should I go in China?
>>2843788ZhengzhouWuhanChangshaXuzhou
为什么你的眼里总是票晶晶
>>2843544>>2843652>>2843566https://archive.is/uOzMWhttps://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121081244278767616>I used to see Han men in Tajikistan married to the local Tajik women.https://archive.is/8jepFhttps://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1121104703264366592>Do something about it. Tajik men are finished. Would rather wageslave, get drunk, and whore around in Russia than take care of their families and wives.
>>2843544>>2843566https://nextshark.com/tajik-woman-marcona-chinese-migrant-husband-pictures/https://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1876805&highlight=http://shanghaiist.com/2016/12/07/tajiki_migrant_marriage/>IN PHOTOS: A day in the life of a Tajik woman who married a Chinese migrant worker>A 24-year-old woman from Tajikistan who married a Sichuan migrant worker has recently become popular on Chinese social media after a photographer documented a day in her life.>Marcona (or мapчoнa) met her husband Wang Xuequan four years ago in Tajikistan. Marcona was working in the kitchen of the construction site where Wang was assigned. As Marcona began to learn Mandarin from Chinese migrant workers, she became close with Wang due to their similar backgrounds and experiences. The couple fell in love and soon decided to tie the knot.>After following Wang to Taiwan, Marcona and Wang eventually relocated to Shanxi province with their son.>Wang goes to work early every day, leaving Marcona and their son in their dorm room. The stay-at-home mom looks after their child and does the household chores.>Marcona told the photographer that she has gotten used to living in the workers’ dorm located on the construction site. She treats it like their family home.>As a young mother, Marcona likes to whip out her phone to snap photos of her son. She documents her life on her WeChat account where she uses Chinese and Tajiki to express herself.>When it comes to parenting, Marcona said she primarily uses Mandarin to educate her child. After all, she says, they are living in China.>During lunch time, Marcona and her son eat at the construction site’s cafeteria. “At first, I was not accustomed to Chinese food, particularly spicy Sichuan food. People in my country eat a lot of bread, but Chinese people live on rice and noodles,” she said. “But I have adapted to it now.”>Sometimes, the mother and son take their lunch back home to eat.Marjona
i dont know anything about china... is it realistic to go to beijing shanghai and chongqing in one trip? i hear there a super fast train nowadays. what other cities would you recommend? how long? -
>>2844512Beijing-Shanghai is faster by train than planeShanghai-Chongqing and Beijing-Chongqing are faster by planeAlso recommend: Xi'an, Changsha, Nanjingabout 3-4 days for each city is good
>>2844514thanks a ton anon
I have a major liking for mature Chinese women, 15-30 years older than me. What is China's view towards a relationship like this?I some some stares when hanging out with a 55yo Japanese lady in rural Tokyo, but everyone was respectful and chill. (I wasn't boning her, I don't like Japanese woman)
>>284462299% of people dgaf, some people are rude about foreigner-Chinese couples on social media but they never do anything irlAlthough it will probably be assumed that she is cheating on her husband with you, but that's very common in China
How can I get a Chinese wife as an average to semi-attractive blonde white guy? I'm 36 but I can pass for 29-30 in my opinion so I figure I'll just lie. Any way to filter out the low-key BPD types while not wasting anyone's time on extensive vetting?
>>2844642Idk but you should know that:1) 95% of Chinese people do not speak enough English to hold a conversation2) in Chinese culture the man has to have a car, house signed in the woman's name, and give a dowry (probably 100k yuan to 800k yuan) to get married or the parents won't approve and if the parents don't approve you're fucked3) if the parents don't approve of the relationship you'll almost definitely be forced to break up
>>2844644>forced to break upHow, magic? I do have a house and car but none of that is going in a woman's name LMAODowry is paid to the groom, the groom doesn't pay the wife's family dowry, what are you smoking? Literally go read the wikipedia article and familiarize yourself with the concept before shitpostingThis post must be a troll post
>>2844646>MagicParents have total authority over their children in Chinese culture, children even have to give them money >Dowryits called 彩礼 in Chinese, idk what you should call it in English but it's money paid by the groom to the wifes family. You can search it up, it absolutely is a thing
>>2844650>Parents have total authority over their children in Chinese culture,oh no, not the heckin culture of society!
>>2844650thanks for the answers, please excuse this lonely, sorry man
>>2844666t. Satanic brownoid simping for another brownoid
>>2844646>>2844644>>2844650Arabs, Muslims and Chinese people pay money to the bride's family. It's called bride price.White people and Indians pay dowry to the groom's family.If you married an Indian woman, her family will pay you money. Go to India if you want a dowry.The husband has to pay money to Chinese and Arabs and Afghans.
>>2844641It's not common for younger men to date older married women in China retard.
>>2844672>It's called bride pricethat's not dowryif I'm trading down to a nonwhite I'm not also going to pay for her, that's absurd
>>2844673I meant cheating is very common
>>2844723You're being trolled. Don't response to the goober posters.
>>2844723But I was told Chinese women are trad and submissive and loyal
>>2844728They are - there is a large population and you can find many copies of each type of person. Have you met many chinese people or watched any of serp's old videos? Get a vibe for the culture, it's not that complicated. Here is how you marry a beer girl, for example.https://youtu.be/g1fSgciXX_A?si=IsOWKYIch9DDg4jv&t=172
>>2844728Chinese men traditionally secluded and locked up women like Muslims did, before westernisation.All of them never trusted women with other men.Chinese men practiced polygamy, while women could only have one husband.
>>2844723Nobody would assume an older Chinese woman would be is cheating, more like a desperate unmarried spinster.
>>2844740>>2844736>>2844731>>2844728why would a Chinese woman be unmarried in her late 20's if there is such a large male surplus in China?
>>2844731this guy makes me cringe but all of the commenters are even worse, idk what it is about wmaf that makes online people seethe so hard. Honestly online people just seethe at almost any relationship nowadays
>>2844662You joke but Chinese culture has completely different values to the west, and one of the most important is 孝 (obeying your parents), it may look like a westernised society but it's absolutely not. >>2844740They would if the man is significantly younger because that shows he likely doesn't have financial resources therefore it's most likely cheating/casual >>2844742Most of the time it's when the parents demand a massive bride price that's more than what people are willing to pay, so nobody buys. Or the woman doesn't want to get married.
>>2844758>You joke but Chinese culture has completely different values to the west, and one of the most important is 孝 (obeying your parents), it may look like a westernised society but it's absolutely not.I will never marry a woman who would obey her parents over her husband. The whole point of marriage is that you are starting your OWN family, and the hierarchy for that is, as with her parents, God (or Buddha or whatever) - Man - Woman - Child
>>2844781Well women have to obey their husbands once they're married, but what I was trying to say is that the parents have veto power BEFORE you get marriedIt's a principle called the 三从Before you're married you obey your parentsAfter you're married you obey your husbandOnce your husband dies you obey your son
>>2844789The only way to vet this though and ensure that they follow this in practice is to expect it prior to marriage, therefor I expect that a woman would marry me against her parents' wishes if their rationale weren't sound by my own standard
>>2844781In Chinese culture children are always counted as part of their father's familyChinese women keep their own surname (their father's surname) after marriage because Chinee trace by the father's lineage.
>>2844793In China most people would "vet" it by seeing how loyal a woman is to her parentsIf shes loyal to her parents before marriage then logic follows she will keep Confucian virtues and be loyal to youIf not then vice versa
>>2844789>Once your husband dies you obey your sonHow does this usually manifest itself? What "orders" does a woman obey from her son?
would it be awkward or even cringe to do lane swimming in some random tier 3 city?
>>2844847but this is not always true in practice
>>2844742Because poor Chinese men buy Vietnamese girls as wives.
>>2844915Also North Korean girls who escape North Korea are sold as wives in China.It's cheaper to buy them than paying a bride price.
>>2844915why can't I just do this as a white guy?]how much does a Vietnamese wife cost
>>2844869originally it was in the sense that the wife, after the death of her husband, would be demoted to the social rank of her son, and not keep her husband's rank. Also the son wouldn't have to listen to his mother's orders.This would become very important when emperors died while their (usually much younger) concubines were still alive, because the concubines could keep power/high rank and manipulate the new emperors (their sons)i.e. Wu Zetian and Empress Cixi>>2844903only if you make it awkward. just relax and be normal, nobody will care even if you are a foreigner. FOB laowais in t3s always stand out because they're always staring at everything, so people stare back. If you're just looking where you need to and doing what you need to then nobody will care.
White guys are sometimes exempt from paying dowries in China if her family is at least middle class. More likely if she's leftover status or has siblings and I've even heard of a few cases where rich families have provided reverse dowries.
>>2844926>where rich families have provided reverse dowries.this is just called dowrywhy is this entire board retarded?what race are you? post hand
>>2844920谢谢回答我的问题我要给很多阿姨们拥抱啊看起来你在中国的生活经验很丰富
>>2844928Indeed, this is also A dowry or type of dowry, more specifically. In the context of China's marriage norms it is helpful to differentiate and you are being pedantic for no good reason. However, it is telling that is the part of my post that you are focusing on.Why don't you post YOUR hand first considering your current grasp on the English language. It should be self-evident what my race is considering that I am explaining how white guys often get a free pass.
>>2844944dowry is exclusively a sum paid to the groom, money going to a bride's family is not dowry
>>2844944>It should be self-evident what my race ismy race should be self evident*your sentence structure is bad, ambiguous, unclear, superfluous, you use an unnecessary hyphen, etc etcyou are either not white or a lower IQ individualeither way you have a huge ego and rather than admitting your mistake or just shutting the fuck up, you double down and ramble on and oninb4 another reply because you have a huge ego and can't just let this go even though you're still wronghiding this comment chain so I can't even see your inevitable retard response
>>2844926Exemption from bride price is contingent on getting married outside China. The logic is that since the western legal system has more financial protection for spouses then there's no need to have bride price as insurance in case of divorce or cheating. In China the legal system favours the husband and thus most women want bride price as a sort of financial insurance.>Reverse dowriesCalled 嫁妆 or 陪嫁, only really happens in the north (specifically Shandong and Liaoning). The difference is that bride price goes directly to the brides family while dowry in China is usually something like a car that the couple share ownership of and it's usually worth much less than the bride price. Giving dowry without bride price is very rare.>>2844945In a Chinese context marriage money almost always goes to the bride, so people get used to calling it a dowry. But you are correct, the proper term is bride price or caili (彩礼)
>>2845140So they believe a woman needs financial protection in their own country but not abroad? That's like admitting their society has problem others do not, which is not typical of Chinese people. I can see this being a touchy subject to discuss with them.If the marriage lasts 1 month, the woman's family gets, say, $20k. Equal to what the groom lost. Does the bride ever get that, or is it the bride's dad's cash now? If that money belongs to the maternal father, to my first point, the societal problems benefit the men. So maybe the men aren't afraid to discuss this since they win either way?Next case. The marriage lasts 10 years. $20k is barely relevant to either parties anymore. After 10 years, the $20k handicap might not even be enough for a woman if they're underpaid and treated poorly. This assumes the money is hers, and not her father's.The dowry (bride price) seems like a ploy to>ensure the groom is serious>save face in case things don't work out>see how much the brides family can win>probe the koffers of the grooms net worthNone of this is conducive to making a western man behave himself after marriage. Maybe a Chinese man is programmed differently? But a western man might see this dowry as "I paid 20k to her family, they can handle a bit of adultery".
>>2845259There's ethnic minorities in China with weird customs like Mosuo (Naxi) in Yunnan who are matrilineal.I don't think they would have bride price.
>>2845259>Admitting problemsTbf you mostly hear what I said from women who know how western society works and have to justify why they want their (foreign) husbands to pay bride price. Most Chinese people in China don't even know that bride price isn't a universal thing, when I was there loads of guys would ask me "so, does the UK have bride price? How much do you have to pay?" And be moderately shocked when I said we didn't have it. >TouchyYes, it's part of le 5000 year old superior Han "we wuz qinshihuang" culture and criticising it to any moderately nationalist Chinese person is a recipe for disaster >Does the bride get that or bride dad The money goes to the family not the bride, also usually women handle the finances in modern Chinese families, so it would most likely go to the brides mother. This is why mothers care a lot about getting a big bride price. >$20kId estimate the average bride price in china is 200k-300k RMB which is more like 30-40k USD. Also it's a LOT of money for Chinese people who usually won't earn more than $1.5k per month. Husbands usually have to take out loans or borrow money from their parents for bride price which they will be paying back for a long time.If the marriage collapses after ten years then IN THEORY the brides family should pay her back the original amount of the bride price that they got to support her.>Seems like a ployWell yeah it's retarded tradition. There's no actual reason for it to exist and having a marriage without bride price is totally possible, but it's a social expectation. When Chinese women get married to foreigners other people will criticise them and say they didn't get any bride price, when they get married to poor people they will also have people mock them for a low bride price.The reverse also applies, women who get large bride prices will show it off to enhance their social status, and they will also show off that they are ASKING for a high bride price (to imply social status)
>>2845259>Marriage lasts one monthDue to the divorce cooling-off period and mandatory counselling and loads of random shit to make divorce difficult this is basically impossible even in cases of domestic violence.>I paid 20k so I can cheatChinese men see it this way too lol. Divorce is so difficult for women, and divorcees basically lose all their prospects on the marriage market (other than marrying divorced men), so women are incentivised to look the other way at low level cheating (prostitutes, ktv girls, etc) or put an end to the affair without ending the marriage. Anecdotally, there is so much more cheating in China than the west. Especially among gen x, because couples often work in different places, and after having kids the parents start getting involved and fucking stuff up, so cheating is very common. But the party wants to keep divorce rates low so they make it difficult to divorce.I only talked to a few Chinese people in depth about this but I think bride price is a really complex cultural issue that most unmarried men hate but unmarried and married women and men want to keep around.>>2845310Idk but I would put the chances of a foreigner marrying an ethnic minority as very very low.I've only ever seen a few Uyghur-Middle eastern couples
>>2845379What are ktv girls?
>>2845379>But the party wants to keep divorce rates lowMaybe the party succeeds at deterring weak people who are better off married. If a couple has made up their minds, they should follow through with a divorce. It's kinda sad. I've seen many people who were too fragile to pack up and go, quickly or not at all. Now their presence consistently emanates unpredictable triggers, poor temper, cruelty, and of course lacks beauty. They typically gain a ton of weight, and withdraw from society too (not always a bad thing). This is probably all common in China too, except Chinese women don't balloon to 160lbs or greater (220lbs). Fuck I wish I could prevent people from doing that to themselves...It could be very insightful to watch a couple counseling session in China. How does the therapist tackle the issue? How does the woman behave? Does the man show any signs of emotion, or is he a shell trying to conceal all the disgusting things he did with hotel call girls? Does the woman throw a fit and lose all composure?
>>2845377>you mostly hear what I said from women who know how western society works and have to justifyThis could be a good indicator of a woman's love for you. If she's not focused on the bride price, and you feel like she actually likes you and respects you, awesome. If there is pressure from her family to relay that same pressure onto you for money, that's means matters outside your relationship can influence her behavior with you. Really not good. Then there is her wanting more money than what her parents want, perhaps advertising a high bride price, like you've mentioned. Yikes tier. What kind of shallow man is tempted by that?
>>2845414>>2845379>t. Especially among gen x, because couples often work in different places>>2844736>Chinese men traditionally secluded and locked up women like Muslims did, before westernisation.>All of them never trusted women with other men.>Chinese men practiced polygamy, while women could only have one husband.Chinese traditionally secluded women to stop this from happening before westernisation>>2845379>Idk but I would put the chances of a foreigner marrying an ethnic minority as very very low.Ethnic minorities from Yunnan like Dai make up a huge number of prostitutes in both Yunnan and abroad like Thailand and MalaysiaEthnic minority women from the southwest are also trafficked inside China as brides to Han men in eastern provinces.So ethnic minorities are definitely open to sex with outsiders from other ethnic groups and foreignersSome ethnic minorities like Zhuang are functionally treated the same/have the same status or attitudes as Han.Also many ethnic Korean citizens of China from the northeast, work in massage parlours in the US too.Those minorities are open to relations with foreigners
>>2845381ktv is a karaoke, ktv girls are girls you can pay to sing and drink with you (and then pay them more for sexual services). Very common at 商K which are ktvs for groups of male businessmen.>>2845414therapy isn't really a thing in Chin>>2845417yes, I see online that one of the most common complaints foreigners have about their Chinese partners is that they let the parents meddle in the relationship too much, which is of course the norm in Chinese society but most young people don't like it eitherwomen advertising they have a high bride price is more like a thing to make them feel better than other women and give them an air of exclusivity by appearing unavailable to low-status men. it's not a realistic strategy to get a rich husband because as you said he wouldn't be tempted + he has way more choicesgenerally bride price isn't linked with how rich the family is; it's more related to how traditional/backwards the area is (with the exception of shanghai and beijing hukou which is unique)i.e. in less traditional regions like Hebei and Henan the average is maybe 100-200-300k rmbin Guangdong and Hunan maybe around the 400-500 markand in Jiangxi, where prices are the highest, often as much as 880k (八十八万, eight is a lucky number in China especially the south).women with Shanghai or Beijing residency can charge higher bride prices because getting married to someone with SH/BJ residency lets you change your own residency to theirs. So someone from a backwards shitty province with awful healthcare, schools, etc can become a Beijing resident with access to the best schools and healthcare in the country. the opposite can also happen and women will put up with low-status men or charge less for a Beijing or Shanghai husband
