>>2830117
Why can't you work at a restaurant in the US?

>>2830119
I fucking hate this country so much anon it pisses me off staying here

this country ruined my life and stole all the money I've ever had. it is so fucking hard to live here, there is no beauty, there is no empathy for the average man's condition

the biggest issue is the DRIVING... the obsession with cars, having to fucking drive to get groceries or something small to eat... I hate it so much...

>>2830122
God stfu with your anti Americanism whining

>>2830124
alright sure, maybe you are right. at the end of the day, totally ignoring the crimes this shit tier country commited towards me, I want to live in france for a bit. is that ok

>>2830126
Brother it’s WORSE in France right now. Illegal immigration has absolutely raped France, along with their perception of foreigners.

Please, invest in yourself and try to improve your situation here. Go to college, learn a trade, get a skill. If you’re a giant fucking loser here you’ll still be a giant fucking loser in France. You’ll just be a giant fucking loser surrounded by Africans and Arabs.

>>2830117
>I am thinking about booking a flight NEXT WEEK because it's only like $140
How did you find a flight from the US to France for $140?
>an under the table cash job in a restaurant or something?
Look for something like wwoof/helpx/workaway to have something lined up before you arrive. Like everyone else is saying, they already have plenty of illegals, and the difference is those guys usually speak some French and know where to look for work or are just straight up criminals

>>2830137
dude that's just the cost of a ticket to france now lol. it's fucking cheap

>>2830137
>wwoof/helpx/workaway
thanks im looking into these now

Anti-American in 2025 usually means you are a Troon, is this correct OP? If you don’t like the current administration just wait 3 years Kek. But honestly if you are too retarted to think about your own future why bother you would probably be doing your fellow Americans a favour. Get a trade is the best advice that’s been given to you in this thread. Not enough beauty? Move to somewhere beautiful there are heaps of places in the USA, don’t want to get a car? Move to a larger city in the USA. You are stuck with what you got fucking deal with it, and if you really want to move do it the correct way or you will just be found out as Europe is starting to switch on to people like you. I wouldn’t want you in my country as it would just be a burden they only want skilled individuals. Sort yourself out.

>>2830141
>if you can't acknowledge the very glaring issues that the USA has you must be a troon

>>2830142
Thats usually how it is in this day and age, also most other countries have the same problems except maybe Switzerland? France is about to financially collapse, you need to get some skills before you even consider moving because you will just be found out with no visa then you will probably KYS as your new life overseas will be shortly lived. Get some skills so you are hireable and try again.

>>2830122
>stole all the money I've ever had
Bro you think the US steals your money, check how much people make on average and how much goes to taxes in France. You are much better off, even working in retail, in the US. By the way, moving to a different country won't make you feel any better about yourself.
>the obsession with cars, having to fucking drive to get groceries or something small to eat
Any city has public transport

>>2830131
OP is trying to become an illegal immigrant.

>>2830117
>I asked chatGPT
Yeah kid, it's okay now go back to /r9k/ and jerk it to autism frogs.
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>>2830117
Just move to another place in the US dummy, you're not going to get a job in France.

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>>2830148
>Any city has public transport
Maybe technically, but lots of times it's not even useable if you tried, like the busses will come once an hour or go nowhere close to where you need. It's not worth trying to avoid driving in the US if you don't live in like 3 major cities or a cozy college town

>move to smaller US town/small city which has everything
>buy moped
>profit

>>2830122
>France: 671 vehicles per 1000
>United States: 850 vehicles per 1000
>>2830117
What's the worst they can do, deport you and ban you from the EU? I met an African dude in the train station heading to a remote Polish village to work. He got off at the wrong station, which was 9 km from the village instead of 3 km like the closest station. The next train, the connection I was waiting for, was delayed by 3 hours. There was a kebab shop open on a Sunday and some sweat-glazed, unshaven alcoholic Indian dude working behind the counter. Surprise it didn't give me the shits.

Lay off all the melodramatic USA shit. Don't talk about your country. Nobody in France will want to hear your opinion about their country either.

>>2830188
In my town two brothers, 11 and 14 years old, have extremely high-powered ebikes that can go 45 mph even uphill. They go five miles to and from town every day, riding with traffic. No taxes, no registration, no insurance, no gasoline, no bullshit.

>>2830186
I can smell the fatness in this post
Two miles is walking distance
>Obesity rate in Colorado, the thinnest US state: 25.1%
>Obesity rate in France: 10.9%

>>2830117
Anon, I highly discourage you from doing this. You have no money, no plan, and I assume no knowledge of French nor France. Being caught overstaying your visa or working illegally as a westerner from a good country can actually have consequences affecting your future ability to visit and stay in the EU.
Take a year to learn some French and save 7500€ for a student visa.
Check out Campusfrance.org
For English language programs: https://taughtie.campusfrance.org/
Tuition is basically free for everyone the world over save that you have to buy student full health insurance for like 700€ a year.
Start looking up scholarships on that website too. Maybe you can scramble and find a study slot and funding for next year.
Best of luck regardless of what you do. I might be back if you have questions, but no promises.
Side note: French student cafeterias are surprisingly respectable for being only a few euros a meal. Student housing can be only a few hundred euros a month.

>>2830386
it works for niggers why wouldn't it work for anon
you're being a pussy bitch

>>2830122
America can be pretty damned heartless, but being a whiny baby won’t help you. Make a plan and stick to it. Consider getting a drivers license while in the US if you haven’t because it’s valuable to have in France due to it costing so much there to get one, ie can help you find a job. Learn to drive stick.
>>2830126
Anon, you come off as bitter and unstable.
>>2830365
This. If you live in Europe, get ready to walk a fuck ton. I walk for 2+ hours several times a week basically just for leisure. For some, that’s basically a life requirement.

>>2830392
Why does it feel like you are the OP?
It could, but the potential for dire consequences is much higher. Flying in with an American passport is different. They can actually coordinate with your rich country’s authorities to remove you and keep you out. There won’t be some NGO rushing to defend you either.
OP can do whatever he chooses but there are less risky paths which also increase likelihood of greater success.

>>2830148
>Any city has public transport
No American would ever say the public transit is good. Go back to the trenches Vanya.

>>2830122
You sound like a total pussy so you’ll just hate being in France cus they aren’t even warm to Americans

>>2830923
Who said anything about good, it exists. Euros and third worlders don't understand the scale of distances in the US. Only the poor use public transport here, except in big cities where taking the train and subway costs as much as driving. It's a necessity to have a car, not a luxury.

>>2831004
>they aren’t even warm to Americans
I found the French warmer than most euros, but they also have more outright rude assholes

>>2830117
you could maybe get a back of house job in ski resorts for the upcoming winter. look for the more party ski resorts and try those because they will be laxer.

>>2831053
It's not a necessity, Americans are just lazy fatsos. Everyone I work with lives within four miles of work, easy bicycling distance, but everyone drives. Even the guy who lives 500 yards away from work drives a big SUV to work. It's laughable.

>>2831255
how many pitbull owners will they encounter on the commute to work tho

>>2830117
French here.
Moving to France is a great idea, but your plan to be an illegal immigrant and do undeclared work is straight up terrible, as another anon said, you really have to have a viable plan.

First of all, France has one of the lowest english fluency rate in the EU so you will have to learn french. Second, as opposed to africans and arabs, there are very few americans here so you will face much more cultural isolation than them.

The best plan is to study in France, that way your visa will be legal and you will meet a lot of people, you might even benefit from French education system giving you access to cheaper appartments and food. Another plan is to work legally for whatever you can find : agriculture, construction work, interim. Restaurants are quite hard because you will have to face angry french people / be a good cook.

If you can find a good job, you might have a good life here. Even though we are in an tough economic situation, it's still much better than the US or the UK, or southern Europe.

>>2831511
Distracted drivers are the biggest threat in America. In the past week I've had someone back right into me out of a driveway (he apologized), someone else make a right turn right in front of me as I was crossing a street with the walk sign on (I slapped his window), and a third driver who drifted across the shoulder line without correcting. A typical week of living on foot in America, kek

In three months of walking around town, I've only had two dogs come at me aggressively out of people's yards. One I bopped in the nose with my fist as it lunged at me (owners didn't say anything), the other I threw a rock into the pavement at its feet to give it an attitude adjustment (the owners talked all kinds of shit trying to get me to come back and fight them)

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>>2831791
He also has to keep in mind that French salaries are very low, with a median around 2.1k
picrel is the distribution of salaries in France 4 years ago. Entry level jobs such as cashier or cleaning dishes are mostly paid 1.5k

>>2830117
Just illegally immigrate. Book a flight and then... just don't go home. You may be eaten by blacks if you stay in Paris, but if you want to live in the outskirts, you should find cash-in-hand work relatively simply.

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>>2831825
If you want to pull out the stats, salaries in France are not "very low" as you say

Sure they are lower than US, UK, scandinavia etc, but the socialist state will pay for health and education, so it's a fair trade imo.
Of course, every freedom-obsessed american will disagree

>>2831829
>average
>PPP

>>2831791
what visa should I apply for? how do I go about getting a job in france legally

>>2830117
Then just get on a plane and go do it anon, go talk to some shady restaurants and see if they would let you work there. Plenty of retarded dirty 3rd worlders from the middle east and africa do it, you probably can also.

MAGA American living in France here. It's okay here, but I don't think Americans realize how different our cultures compared to the French. My wife is French, and we needed to relocate here for personal reasons. While my wife is here full-time, I spend less than 180 days here for tax reasons (I fuck off to Africa and travel there to avoid tax residency in France). Otherwise I'd pay more than 50% of my gross income to taxes.

I would say things are not headed in a good direction. Youth unemployment is very high, wages are low compared to the US, taxes and social charges are very, very high. Social inequality exists, just as it does in the US, but I would say even with more segregation here. Social, racial, ethic classes don't mix. I.e.: people care about which school you went to, and that defines your life path. People strongly dislike the rich. Political situation is even worse than the economic situation, with an extremely unpopular president. Muslim/African/Paki/Bangladeshi has not been good either. I believe either blood will be shed or Notre Dame becomes a mosque, if French/Europeans don't defend their values, with where things are headed.

As someone mentioned, there are few Americans who live here, so you will HAVE to learn French. Otherwise, you will be viewed as a tourist. Even then, most French are not warm or 'friendly'-in a Southern hospitality sense-or curious about others. When people in the US hear my wife's accent, they're curious, want to learn more, and she's made friends in my hometown just because of that. Here, people will correct your pronunciation of a tough word, and carry on.

I still like it here, we have a nice house, large property near a cute village near a large city, which is a dichotomy to our house in Florida. So it's nice to have the best of both worlds.

If you really want to come to France, hustle hard for the next year in the US, save up a few grand, come as a student, and go from there.

>>2833539
>If you really want to come to France, hustle hard for the next year in the US, save up a few grand, come as a student, and go from there.
I just saved up around $8000 is that enough?
what visa do you recommend that will allow me to work? I am unsure if the student path is right for me, I have a college degree in mechanical engineering but a pretty low GPA, so I am not sure if I will get into a grad program I'd enjoy

>>2833623
Then for France I think your options are very limited. $8k is like 3 months of living expenses here, on a string budget. If you're hellbent on France, hit the gym, become interesting, and marry a French girl (many want US citizenship). Your B.S. mechanical engineering degree won't be interesting here, many 23 year olds have their BAC+2 – essentially a Master's – in M.E., so good luck with that if you're not top of class from a globally recognized university. And you'll also be competing with low salaries in M.E., like 36,000€ pretax a year for that. It's oversaturated for sure.

Here are your French visa options: https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en/web/france-visas/professional-purpose

If you're not 100% set on France and open to other European countries, look into DAFT (Dutch American Friendship Treat): https://www.mynta.nl/en/knowledge-base/dutch-american-friendship-treaty-a-residence-permit-for-american-entrepreneurs

>>2833802
>$8k is like 3 months of living expenses here, on a string budget
What the fuck are you talking about, I live on less than 1 k€/month here

>>2833802
>marry a French girl (many want US citizenship)
lol, has France really become so bad that you can passport bro there?

>>2830365
>Obesity rate in Colorado, the thinnest US state: 25.1%
Americans are so God damn disgusting.

>>2833812
I'm sure you do, when you live in a smaller city, and at home with your parents. But this dude is American, wanting to work illegally in France. He won't be able to rent anywhere suitable, so likely will need to AirBnB in a large/medium-size city. He probably doesn't know how to cook, so will eat out often. Factor in flight and other costs, I bet he could easily blow through 3,000€ a month for the first few months.

>>2833838
Yes, lots of Europeans want to work/live in the US. There is a huge braindrain in Europe (France/Germany), with people moving to Switzerland, Singapore, Australia, and the US. When I lived in NYC 10 years ago, French girls would pay to marry US citizens. Probably is still the case.

>>2833862
Just live in the empty diagonal, you can find places that go for 300 € per month. I lived in a 100k hab city in a 2 room apartment that cost 500€ per month. That guy can learn how to cook it's not rocket science. I'm tired of helping clueless richfags, they can pay for a counselor if life's too hard for them.

>>2830124
t.faggot suburbanite

>>2830117
Leaving one westernized country for another and expecting different results is hilariously moronic, especially one that's collapsing even harder than the US like France currently is.

That said you should definitely do it, I think we'll be better off with fewer double digit IQers in the breeding pool.

>>2830117

go to the southwest, it's by far the nicest part.

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>>2830122
>this country stole all the money I've ever had
he said, moving to france

>>2833539
>MAGA American
>lives in... France and Africa

>>2836894
MAGA tards love niggers, only second to Jews. Not surprising that he went to the blackest country in Europe and then Africa for the rest.

>>2833862
>won't be able to rent anywhere suitable
You can find cheap-ish rental rooms with shared kitchen & bathroom all over Europe if you're single. Eating quality real food is cheaper in Europe than it is in America.

>>2830117
>can any french anons tell me about the viability of getting an under the table cash job in a restaurant or something?
>restaurant
only if you are indians so you can work for a low wage.

>>2836894
I just wanted to add context to my perspective.

I have a consultancy in the oil and gas sector, specifically for Africa/Caribbean. I advise governments in frontier markets on structuring deals with oil companies, I also advise oil companies on how to hedge their bets on different regimes in these countries (i.e. paying off both sides so whoever 'wins' and election, oil contracts stay intact).

>>2837373
>I'm scamming the oil mafia and their client states as a job
I don't know if this is based or utterly shameful

>>2837413
Depends on how you look at it to be honest. I just sort of fell into this position about 10 years ago, built a network, gained trust from both sides, and broker deals and contract, then make a cut.

When an oil company has a problem in a country, they call me and I mediate.

When a country has a problem with an oil company, they call me and I mediate.

Then I make a cut of the 'deal' or transaction, sometimes I act as a escrow, and carry the cash. Not rocket science, but need to know oil and gas (I have an engineering background) but also need to be a sales guy for my clients.

>>2830122
>stole my money
>goes to france
you are pretending to be tarded, right?