>>2843227
And nothing of value was lost.

>>2843227
I went there in 2018. It's cool honestly, pretty unique as far as cities go, no shortage of sites and cool places.
The fact it's in the middle of a desert is honestly the coolest part. It isn't far from Death Valley and the Grand Canyon

A big hedonistic place where you go to light your money on fire isn't going to attract people in this kind of economy.

>>2843354
>I went there in 2018. It's cool honestly, pretty unique as far as cities go, no shortage of sites and cool places.
Covid finally killed Vegas, 2018 it was clearly on a downward spiral but must the trash and slob tourism was segmented from most things.

Post COVID it's literally
>2x prices for what things were
>most famous deals or unique dining expirences replaced by ghost kitchen style BS where casions have consolidated every kitchen
>resort fees went from 9.95/night or a overall thing to 30-50 a night
>DUDE WEEED LMAO smell everyfuckingwhere don't tell me "barely noticeable" shit
>Slob Jeets/Jamals/Perdo's with their family of 5 walking down the strip or letting their kids run rampid in the casino floors like it's your problem even in the more 'upscaled' hotels
>want to do X hope you booked $APP for that don't forget the fee's +tip
>poorfag "influencers" showing up trying to make a name by doing annoying shitty "pranks" and stunts
>airport has somehow gotten WORSE to get out of

Quality had dropped, Vegas IRL has become a cost burden in terms of what the casino owners want in profits. Sports betting, online gambling, the lack of foreign Asian tourists, hollywood being less invested, all have made it so shit feels more like an afterthought. Not to say hotel staff was always super friendly but if you have been to any Vegas hotel recently the staff quality is night and day, they are now walmart tier "why the fuck are you here" levels of annoyed. I don't blame them that much, last time I was there I tried to sit down for some hangover breakfast. Shit you not the families Jamal, Rasheed, Pedro, and company show up and start screaming at 9AM grabbing food with their hands from the breakfast tray and fighting each other, while the parents just blindly stare into the abyss and zone it out. This will go on all day.

Only go and spend a few extra days if your company pushes you there for some expo, it's not worth it otherwise.

You can gamble on your phone now

>>2843227
I went there last year. Some of the best clubs I've been to in my life. Yeah overpriced, but great quality.

>>2843372
I've never been to Las Vegas. Online gambling seems to make more sense. Why can't Las Vegas have super poorfag hotels, sòyslop buffets, moldy casinos AND luxury hotels, restaurants, and casinos to filter out the poors?

>>2843227
it's just too fucking expensive for a normal person these days.

>>2843428
Make it cheaper. They are going to gamble it away anyways

>>2843428
If this is true, shouldn't the free market naturally lower prices in the coming years?

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>>2843433
>>2843430
alright let me explain because what I said isn't entirely true

vegas *can* be cheap. but it's only cheap if you are truly a degenerate gambler that ONLY cares about drinking, smoking, and gambling.
these casinos have none of the luxury or amenities that people think of when they think of vegas now
the people are dumber and uglier than on the strip. they are poorer. which probably makes it more fun but I don't gamble

and it's only cheap if you stay FAR away from the strip. and if you do that it's almost like you aren't in vegas at all

the actual vegas strip now is basically just a honey pot for retards. the odds are so fucking low that you have to be mentally retarded to gamble there. the prices of the hotels and experiences are so high that you have to be retarded to buy anything or stay there at all

when I was last in vegas about a month ago, the casinos on the actual strip were really dead while South Point was BOOMING. Every fuckin day and night South Point has like 10000s of actual gamblers from across the country playing while the strip is filled with random europeans taking pictures

so when you say:
>shouldn't the free market naturally lower prices
it already has, but it's done so in a way that basically killed what people think of as vegas by moving away from the strip entirely, so I am not sure if this is a win

>>2843227
already been, no need to go again

>>2843439
So what you're saying is that Las Vegas (the strip) is becoming a tourist destination while the gambling (it's soul) moves to the outskirts? Not necessarily a bad thing, but they'll need to reinvent the strip's identity. Maybe lean into being more of a tourist-friendly entertainment city like Orlando

Just go to reno

>>2843542
>Las Vegas (the strip) is becoming a tourist destination
no, i'm not saying becoming, I am saying it already has

the main source of revenue for MGM and Caesars entertainment is no longer from their casinos and it's been that way for at least a decade at this point

the shows, conventions, and sports betting have been the main drivers of tourism to vegas for over a decade now with gambling/gaming revenue declining every single year

it's not even because of vegas desu. young people are just not as interested in drinking and gambling as boomers are. as the boomers die off I imagine the hotels will need to replace their casinos with libraries and coworking spaces.

>>2843565
>young people are just not as interested in drinking and gambling as boomers are
Drinking? No, they smoke weed now.
Gambling? It's more popular then ever. People are desperate. You just do it online and you can bet on practically anything. Zero skill required.

>>2843428
>too fucking expensive
what? The hotels are dirt cheap for the quality compared to every other big popular city

>>2843369
All of this, but not sure where covid is part of the equation other than losses for a period creating debt for the big corps, and them passing that along to clients.

RIDICULOUS prices, over $100 for a lobby popcorn and one splittable beverage last year before my Maniscalco show. And, no buzz was had, despite floaters. It was so watered down. To me, their bread and butter clientele should be frequent flyers who travel for planned shows, throwing in 2-3 days of restaurants before/after and they're destoying this loyalty with dumb fees and elevated prices that no where fit the convenience or location. I should not be paying $250 for a steak that isn't wagyu or even aged, that is ~ $80 in value, no matter the atmosphere or view.

Also $800 for the cheap seats to Adele? No.

>>2843714
>not sure where covid is part of the equation
It's a pretty good line in the sand to point to for everyone. I don't think anyone is going to say it's the exact reason but right around COVID many of the cheap options just closed up shop or shut down, weed was legalized around that time, online gambling really took off due to people stuck at home, etc etc. The biggest blow I feel was Asians basically cutting off the infinite flow of cash and really, they never came back.

>>2843439
This really isn't true anymore, you're speaking boomer here. Flying to Vegas, booking well away from the strip is basically pointless. You might as well just fly to Phoenix and go to Gila Resorts.

>>2843542
The strip was ALWAYS a tourist hotspot, the problem is that slob tourists(unironically think of Pajeets and families of nigglets running around) clogging shit up all hours of the day. Yes I shit you not seen 5 year olds running around at 230AM with their parents goin AYO JAMAL AYO CALM DOWN.

Vegas is a one and done thing, you go to say you've been and have the card of anything you say might have happened to brag a 'big fish story' to friends if you live in some shithole like South Dakota.

>>2843425
You're missing the point.
People would go to Vegas to gamble because it was the only way to do so. You can pretty much gamble on anything now with a phone and/or internet connection and not have to spend thousands of dollars on airfare, hotels, and drop $14 for a coffee.

>>2843751
There were/are other options; Gambling was a draw that made big spenders come in which in turn gave way to big name performers, artists, cooks, goods coming in. Vegas was just the biggest hub that drew in the most things.

COVID pumped the breaks on what was already beginning to snowball and really showed the cracks that had been forming for years behind the facade.

>>2843754
Other options where? Besides native owned casinos there really wasn't much. There were no draft kings or sports betting. There wasn't crypto. There weren't gaming machines in gas stations. There weren't phone apps. Vegas was the place to do it.

>>2843758
I remember playing online poker, betting and slots as early as 2003. Party Poker, bet365, bwin, Pokerstars none of theme gave a single damn about your location or local rules.

What else did you think was going to happen with the rise of Online and Local Casinos

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>>2843760
>2003

>>2843758
Atlantic City for one

>>2843782
shit weather half the year
and the entire place wasn't centered around or casinos

>>2843542
>but they'll need to reinvent the strip's identity. Maybe lean into being more of a tourist-friendly entertainment city like Orlando
They tried this in the 90s with little to show for it. they threw in the towel on that sometime around the turn of the millennium and once again tried to appeal to adults. I personally can't ever see it being a family-friendly location.

>>2843745
>Vegas is a one and done thing
That's my take too. I'm glad I got to go in the early 2000s and see it then, and even though a lot has changed since then I have no desire to ever go back.

>>2843791
Counter point: Most people going to Vegas or Atlantic city "gamble" about as much as they play a scratcher lotto ticket

Everyone I knew growing up in the 00's and 10's weren't going to vegas to gamble and I'd argue most weren't either, sure dumping 100-250 dollars to see if something hits exists but not the main pull. Everyone I knew going to vegas that wasn't there for a work expo went for the world class buffet's to pig out, alcoholic bender episode, and see some show. Sure grandma and grandpa would go dump the inheritance and yeah some big spenders from around would show up, but the average person posting here or that would look at Vegas went to feel high class for a weekend on the cheap(if you didn't mind the luxor or circus). That said, there were still standards as to what was allowed and how things were kept up and people generally understood the house rules the city.

You go to Vegas now, it's basically a "who the hell cares" and anything goes, most casino hotels are falling apart, sure the Wynn is still nice, Trumps hotel was nice last time I was there, few others but you can tell they are skipping on the normal upkeep these days. All the value is gone from it now and it's literally just full of people credit card maxxing thinking they own the strip because they bought a spirit airline flight in

>>2843369
well, there's still macau at least

>stay at the MGM
>hungry
>go down stairs to get a slice of pizza
>15 dollars
>whole pie 50 dollars
>opt for the 50 dollar one because hey cheaper over
>shit's ass
>can't do anything about it

>>2843227
Gambling on the stocks market is better and funner.
That's the truth.

>>2843227
What proportion of visitors are domestic versus international?
How do they differ in terms of what they expect from the city?
Will there be a shift towards sports tourism now the NFL and NHL are represented?

>>2843798
>can't do anything about it
Why not?

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>>2843360
When I was a kid I expected Vegas to be a party city where people just drank, hung out, god laid, listened to music, etc. My expectations used to be 24/7 music festival basically. But when I went there at 22 (2019) I found it to be a god-awfully boring shithole. It was all old people pissing quarters at slot machines. I genuinely don't get the appeal. Everything closed at fucking 8, the food was sub cruise-ship tier, and you were bombarded by MGM ads everywhere you looked. It's such a dystopianly boring town. I want to visit the place I had in my head but it seems not to exist.

>>2843806
90% of Vegas visitors are domestic, foreign tourists tend to go more for large cities or landmarks. NFL and NHL presence doesn't impact tourism that much, when people visit a city for a game they tend to leave ASAP so that's actually a pretty lousy source of revenue.

I can only speak for myself, but Vegas was much more sanitized and boring than I used to imagine it being. Just a very grim place overall. I'd say Vegas' main issue is that gambling is much less unique than it used to be, most states have legal gambling and you can do it on your phone at this point. There's basically no reason to go to Vegas when most Americans probably drive past five states with casinos on the way there.

Las Vegas is a city full of scummy losers. Some of the worst people you'll meet anywhere in America hang out in Vegas. In other cities, the big corporations strive for a semblance of respectability; in Vegas, they make no such effort. You'll get robbed on the street, or you'll get robbed at the register. Either way, the city is going to get your money. Las Vegas police are the most murderous in America. It is the only place in all my travels around America where someone stole from my vehicle as it was parked on the street. Fuck Las Vegas. I only visited to pick up my mom at McCarran, but I will never return to the city as long as I live.

>>2843565
>drinking and gambling as boomers are.
it's different
>drinking
zoomers are chugging gallons of caffeine enough to kill an african rhino daily. different addiction than alcohol
>gambling
gambling has never been as popular as it is with zoomers. sports, crypto, options. these niggas gamble more than boomers

>>2843974
Zoomers gamble different, they don't care about Poker, Slots or Craps. Zoomer want loot boxes for $500 with a 1:10000Million chance to get some Labubu branded sneakers or some supreme fag purse, some Pajeet shilled shit coin that will tank, throwing it at some influencer hoping he says their name or straight out burning their money.
It's not gambling it's throwing money they don't have away.

>>2843813
>he actually thinks Vegas take-away shops give a FUCK about quality anymore
Oh man...

>>2844081
If you bought food from a place in the hotel you're staying at and it sucked, you can ask for a refund or credit

>>2844106
Confirmed for never having been to vegas post covid

>>2844110
Confirmed too sheepish to ask for a refund

>>2843227
>Never been
The debauchery of its reputation seemed to just be a part of life everywhere if you choose to participate in it. You don't need to go to vegas to have a bender, or to go to a casino. You don't even need to go to a casino to gamble.
It seems like a suburban rube mentality to think you need to go to Vegas to have a wild time. I'd take the day-to-day lifestyle living in a trendy part of a city over going to Vegas.

>>2844111
Anon most hotels these days if you order ANYTHING to go will back behind all sales final bullshit unless it's a clear as day mixup or allergy violation

>>2844111
They used to laugh at you if you asked for a refund. Now they just ignore you.

>>2843354
The absolute peak was around 2005. You had all the theme hotels in great condition, everything was cheap and you had comps left right and centre, everything wasn't owned by two companies so you had real variety in the casinos

>>2843798
>go to the convinience store in the hotel
>get a can of energy drink
>"That'll be $11"

I'm amazed they haven't yet stopped people stocking up at the target and bringing it into their rooms. Probably the next step if they figure the money lost is more than the cost of the enforcement.

>>2843820
The big issue with the gambling is it's so homogenised. Every casino has the same machines and tables. Mega-jackpots still kinda exist but they're not the big showpieces they once were and you don't get promotional shit like a free go on a giant machine or "Win this car".

Even the shopping malls are identical now, all with the same designer shops (with the person standing at the door to make it clear you're not welcome unless you're rich). Only the Planet Hollywood casino has distinctive shops (and the Rick and Morty themed cocktail from the robot bar is oddly nice and not all that eyewateringly expensive by Vegas standards)

>>2844111
>>2844106
what the fuck are you talking about?

>>2843817
What you want is the Golden Triangle SEZ. They go all night there.

>>2843754
>which in turn gave way to big name performers, artists, cooks, goods
performers and artists and shit didn't just go there because people were there; they went because the casinos offered them cheap venues to play at
and why were those venues cheap?
because it was subsidised by gambling revenue
so stuff was abnormally cheap

less gambling revenue = less subsidies = prices go back up to market normal

>>2843565
>have been the main drivers of tourism to vegas for over a decade now with gambling/gaming revenue declining every single year
yeah that was never a good sign

>>2843433
>shouldn't the free market naturally lower prices in the coming years?
it has
online gambling is very cheap
>bbbbut I meant the hotels and shit
it will eventually, when enough hotels and shit close down

look it's not rocket science
X numbers of gamblers in Vegas drop enough $ to subsidise Y number of non-gambling activities
when X/10, then Y will eventually /10 as well, you just have to wait for all the bankruptcies and mergers and consolidation and shit

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How long until picrel happens irl?

>>2845168
Probably quite soon considering how the USA is going.... Make sure you're keeping all your bottlecaps, just in case.

>>2845003
It's self- explanatory

>>2845203
what about this is unique to vegas? Are you seriously such an asshole you just ask for refunds on food products you don't like?

>>2845309
>Are you seriously such an asshole you just ask for refunds on food products you don't like?
Yes. If I paid $50 for a pizza from the resort I'm staying at and it sucks, I want my money back. They shouldn't be screwing up something as easy a 'za

>>2845171
kek

the death of las vegas is your classic recession indicator

>>2845563
Nah Vegas has always been good during recessions. Vegas just failed to keep up with the times.

>The year 1931 was pivotal for Las Vegas. At that time, Nevada legalized casino gambling[28] and reduced residency requirements for divorce to six weeks.[29] This year also witnessed the beginning of construction of the tunnels of nearby Hoover Dam. The influx of construction workers and their families helped Las Vegas avoid economic calamity during the Great Depression. The construction work was completed in 1935.

Vegas, born 1931, died 2021, peaked in the 70s