myanmar is in the middle of a serious civil war / insurrection, and has a very weak+corrupt government

its not peaceful, the internet is heavily controlled, amenities are fucked up, and opportunities are scarce

IDK where you got the impression that it's a viable location to expat in at the moment, but you need to go (try) and visit and see the conditions yourself, before you sign up for some long term commitment

>>2846994
>myanmar is in the middle of a serious civil war / insurrection, and has a very weak+corrupt government
>its not peaceful, the internet is heavily controlled, amenities are fucked up, and opportunities are scarce
I've worked in Iraq before during a dangerous period. I'm ok with the conflict, it's actually a bonus to me. Not in a morbid way, just the pulse and the history being made. Idk.
>IDK where you got the impression that it's a viable location to expat in at the moment, but you need to go (try) and visit and see the conditions yourself, before you sign up for some long term commitment
No language school jobs but jobs for licensed teachers at int schools still being posted

>>2846996
>No language school jobs but jobs for licensed teachers at int schools still being posted
Ah. Actually, the posts are outdated. It's worth a look. I have some time. Will report in. Just wondering what it's like to date there

It is a very 'dynamic' situation, with curfew, road blocks/checkpoints, extreme paranoia and unease, and lots of possibly random violence.

Go and take a look if you don't believe me. You will be out of there quick.

>>2847011
>You will be out of there quick.
I respect what you're saying. However, I spent 2 years in Iraq, as I said. Halfway through, ISIS mounted their ground invasion. I didn't leave. Not gonna get scared off by this weak ass shit. There are no groups that want to burn me alive in a cage or behead me in Myanmar. I'm sure it was pretty sketchy for you though.

>>2847014
>I WAS IN IRAQ YA KNOW
cool, great, awesome anon. Myanmar doesn't have a US+allies occupation currently where people second guess if the white foreign guy getting hurt will cause the entire neighborhood have door to door shake downs. Pretty sure the boarder of Myanmar has restrictions on entering where if you aren't required to come in you aren't getting in.
>inb4 this is a cult of passion schizo thread

>>2847019
>Myanmar doesn't have a US+allies occupation currently where people second guess if the white foreign guy getting hurt will cause the entire neighborhood have door to door shake downs.
Dafuq has that got to do with anything.
Anyway, if anyone knows about the dating situation there, I'm interested. Let's just establish it's a very scary place and I should be very scared. Ok.

>>2847019
I was there in 2022.

It was sketchy as hell. A guy got whacked right outside my hotel. The only thing scarier than the fascist government are the terroristic separatist groups and the cartels.

He is totally clueless and he's making the fatal mistake of assuming one developing country is like another.

Just let him go, anon. I'm interested to see what happens to him. I'm sure we'll end up reading about him in the news as the next Otto Warmbier, held ransom by some rebel group way out in the bush. xD

>>2847125
you will be fine. there is no fighting in yangon. just bring plenty of money and have a blast.

>>2847421
>A guy got whacked right outside my hotel. The only thing scarier than the fascist government are the terroristic separatist groups and the cartels.
sounds exactly like Colombia!

Not OP but going to be in SE Asia and thinking of hopping over to Burma just to see Old Bagan or Yangoon. Is it worth it? Is it safe?

>>2847421
>The only thing scarier than the fascist government are the terroristic separatist groups and the cartels.
Omg, what a fucking clueless npc girl. The separatists are tacitly supported by the West, they are not going to target a Westerner. They want more aid and they want arms. Cartels have absolutely zero interest in a foreign teacher.
>I'm sure we'll end up reading about him in the news as the next Otto Warmbier
Telling your example of a foreign victim is from DPRK because you couldn't think of a single one from Myanmar. You're letting your estrogen run wild. Go ask your bf for a shoulder rub and a puff on his vape or something

>>2847428
>you will be fine. there is no fighting in yangon. just bring plenty of money and have a blast
TY anon. I actually prefer Mandalay. Was there quite a few years back. Yangon was kinda ugly and shit but I'm sure it's changed since

>>2847421
>HE'S GONNA GET KIDNAPPED IF HE GOES THERE!!!
There's 8000 - 15,000 Western expats in Myanmar.

>>2846994
>the internet is heavily controlled
Does that actually matter to your typical foreign traveler, who most likely has a VPN anyway?

>>2847442
Is it also full of Indians?

>>2847441
The only countries you have to worry about are the ones where the government has an outright hostile relationship with the US and can use you as a bargaining chip. That means countries like Iran, North Korea and Venezuela. If you go there, no matter how safe it is on the streets, you are running a real risk.

Only been to Vietnam in SEA, how does Thailand/Myanmar/Laos/Cambodia compete against each other in regards to poverty/pollution/crime/violence etc etc.

From the statements in this thread Myanmar easily sounds like the worst of the lot?

>>2847125
>Dafuq has that got to do with anything.
You had the unintentional protection of the US government. You will get none of that in Myanmar.

>>2847538
Thailand is the most developed, and is 1st world in many parts. Bangkok is pretty rich and medium sized cities are comfy, clean, and safe.

Its popular with tourists for a reason. Thai are very laid back, violent crime isn't really a thing unless you start shit/go looking for it.

Cambodia is several steps below Thailand, and is definitely a stagnant "developing" country, Phnom Penh only has a couple nice districts and the rest of the city is an ancient decaying dump. They have a weak/weird government and transact in USD (???) along with their local currency. USD is preferred because riels are essentially worthless. It is quite lawless, and outside siem reap and the secure zones in phnom penh you are on your own. Kampot is cozy and nice ish though, if you don't mind being surrounded by french pedophiles with 13 year old "maids".

Violence is commonplace. You can and will be mugged and robbed if you go outside at 3am even in 'tourist districts' in phnom penh. Nobody will care. Violence among khmer is common as well, they are always kicking the shit out of each other over anything.

Laos is stuck in the past. Ostensibly 'communist' and definitely act like it in the policing department. It's not built up at all, but vientiane is modernizing quickly. It's probably the closest thing to authentic 'old school' SEA adventure/weirdness that you can get. I enjoyed it, its very slow paced. You need to take care of your own business though, nothing there is regulated and nobody cares if you get hurt.

That being said, I encountered no violent crime/saw nobody being violent in this country.

Myanmar is a wreck. So you understand, people from Myanmar illegally immigrate to BANGLADESH to work, or illegally immigrate to Thailand to work in slave conditions on shrimp farms, because its better than Myanmar. It's in a state of serious unrest and people are desperate/don't want to be there, even moreso than lao/cambodia.

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>>2847907
>You had the unintentional protection of the US government. You will get none of that in Myanmar.
Wrong timeline retard

>>2847538
>Myanmar easily sounds like the worst of the lot?
Laos is by far the worst country in the region. They have killed more tourists from methanol poisoning and killer wasps than Myanmar and Cambodia combined. Do not go there if you value your life.

>>2847019
You have to fly into the country if you are a foreigner.
>>2847125
More likely frustrated than scared if you try to venture into the insecure parts of the country. The militias are likely to deny you entry altogether when you encounter their checkpoints, and an approval from one militia (perhaps purchased with a little bribe to the commander) means nothing when you encounter some other armed force. Add to that the fact that nobody speaks or understands English, and you might find yourself a prisoner before you know it.
>>2847441
Myanmar doesn't receive any Western aid. They aren't going to give you special treatment for being white, but at least it's unlikely that you'll be beaten or tortured as a foreigner.
>>2847445
Outdated statistics. You won't find up-to-date stats on anything in Myanmar, because they do not have a functioning government.
>>2847950
MY = Malaysia
MM = Myanmar

I agree, Khmer are the most feral of Southeast Asians. Laotians are so much more peaceful and gentle.

There's no reason to go to Myanmar right now unless you are going to risk your life flying into a Junta controlled city and crossing the front lines then crossing back.

Any tourism in the """"""Safe"""""""" parts is supporting a genocidal regime perpetrating mass rape and mass murder.

Go read about the Civil War, read the wikipedia page if you haven't. Then tell yourself you want to give money to that regime.

>>2848526
Communist Laos and communist Vietnam are not treating their citizens any better

>>2848607
Yes they are. Laos and Vietnam are by no means champions of human rights but the Burmese junta is orders of magnitude worse. And if you are going there post 2021 you might as well just send money to your local child killer/rapist.

>>2848621
>send money to your local child killer/rapist.
>inb4 american tax dollars jokes

>>2847950
Thailand is great all-around. Easy to get around and any activity or vibe you want, they have. Lived there for many years.
Laos is nice and cheap, but generally speaking very slow. Don't go expecting a lot of partying or adventure. Rapidly being overtaken by China, if you care about that.
Cambodia is cool. PP is honestly a pretty boring city, but pretty in parts. Siem Reap is nice, beyond just Angkor Wat. It's a small town, but it's chill. I lived there for about a year. Southern Cambo is bought up by the Chinese, and the rural east/SE is cool, but you're really off on your own and communications will be difficult.
Vietnam is alright. Depends on what you want. It's not my favorite for anything at all (food/party/nature/girls/activites/beaches), but I have friends that like it.
Indonesia is basically Bali and then everything else. Bali is nice but overpriced and there are more whites than natives. It's crazy that Jakarta is the biggest city in SEA but no tourist ever goes there. Muslim.
Malaysia is nice. Some parts are conservative Muslim, some parts are more friendly to tourists. KL is pretty nice, but if you want to party you better be clued in, because it's not like BKK.
Singapore is Singapore. I lived there for a year, too. Some really like it, I very much dislike it. It has some nice areas, cool restuarants and bars. Very expensive. It's not the worst place in the world, but it really is only good for a 2-3 day stay imo. Live there any longer and you'll want to tear your hair out.
No one goes to Myanmar because it's an active war zone. I've known people that lived there, and they generally speaking don't recommend it. It's also expensive for foreigners.

>>2848621
>if you are going there post 2021 you might as well just send money to your local child killer/rapist.
Good job you weren't hyperbolic there

thread full of pearl clutchers.

>>2848734
It's not about clutching pearls, it's about why the fuck would you ever want to go to Burma when any other SEA country has more to offer and is better in every way? Beyond the war and the government, setting all that aside, what does Burma have to offer that anywhere else in SEA can't do better?

>>2848873
Shan State is comfy. It is like northern Thailand fifty years ago before the tourists arrived.

>>2848873
Far more ethnic and cultural diversity than in Thailand or Vietnam that are largely homogenous societies at this point, its own multi-layered history that is largely independent, the Irrawaddy valley was never really invaded after the Bamars settled there and before the colonial times. And Burmese architecture that is very much different from its neigbours.

>>2848873
>it's about why the fuck would you ever want to go to Burma when any other SEA country has more to offer and is better in every way?
Then why would you go to Africa either? Or actually, why would you go to other SEA countries when you've identified the best one?
Maybe some of us here actually like travelling.
You just sound like a scared little pussy, and you're trying to convince other people to feel afraid too because we're all laughing at you and you feel emasculated. Just dip out, little faggot.

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>>2848874
I found Mae Sai to be an interesting border town, facing Tachileik in Shan state. You're not allowed to enter Myanmar overland as a non-Thai foreigner, and the Burmese day trippers in Mae Sai were socially withdrawn people who barely showed any curiosity or other emotions toward strangers. Their dress fashions were unique, tribalistic. They live a hard life and are not likely to welcome, trust or cater to the needs of some goofball foreigner who wants to go tramping around their militia-controlled state (which is an ecological disaster thanks to unregulated mining BTW).

>>2847447
They could turn the whole entire internet off at any time for reasons. Then when those reasons are complicating your own situation and you need a lifeline it isn't there.

>>2848734
I'll tell you the truth. What you do with it is up to you. That saying about leading the horse to water but not being able to force them to drink it applies. I can tell you that smoking is bad for your health and has dangers. I can't stop you from going down to the corner store and buying a pack of Marlboros. Whatever decisions you make in life I hope you at least think them through. I wouldn't tell you about the risks of doing something to be a buzzkill. It's because if you're here I consider you a peer and I don't want you to do something you might regret.

I am not sure what the janny's issue was there. I'm baffled.

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An on topic discussion happened here and it was purged

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A bit of banter between anons is not allowed on this subreddit it seems

I can't believe I didn't post it. I missed this opportunity.

Someone posted something like this isn't /pol/ or /int/ where you're supposed to fit in the box and confirm. You're able to be different here.
I was going to post something like
>yeah sure you can say whatever you want here and then your posts will just get deleted and you maybe get banned
And now look. I missed out on fortune-telling.

>>2848980
Then lol again because I needed up with a warning for something in another thread hehehe

>>2848981
>needed up
*ended up
Auto incorrect is really at it lately.

>>2848981
kek, what for?

>>2846984
If you are serious, then you should go with it. What part do you plan to visit?

>>2848895
I'm not trying to convince anyone to be scared, but if you're just going to Burma for a SEA tourist experience there are much better options. I myself was going to live in Burma for 6 months through a research program but that's alot different than just showing up and expecting to have a good time. If you have a very specific reason for going to Myanmar that will give you specific parameters to expect, then that's one thing. If you're just going there out of random curiosity or because you think the drinks are cheaper or something, you're just going to hit a brick wall of inconveniences and bullshit caused by the unrest. Even if you're the big tough badass who will go in there like clint eastwood and blast anyone who tries to fuck with you, the negative side of having a nonfunctioning government has more to do with the beaurocratic side of things. Random fees, random liscences, random road blocks, random curfews, random prohibitions, etc. will ruin your trip.

>>2849011
I don't know anon. Being bossed around by little men with big guns makes me feel pretty tough. I'm still thinking this sounds like a good idea.

even youtubers like smallbrain have done burma. if smallbrain can do it, so can you

>>2849050
>doing it so you can make a youtube video
>settling there and living the expat life
Basically the same thing. Makes sense to me.

>>2847530
Typical American, assuming that you have rights in these dictatorial countries and that somehow your government is going to protect you from bad actors abroad.

Many people from first world countries get violently dispossessed of this notion when they travel abroad, and I think that's probably going to happen to you, too.

>>2849133
Well I'd argue that a rational person could walk into that kind of situation and not act like a retard. I don't trust the kind of person who romanticizes it. Like for example China. There are plenty of expats in China. They know how to behave and what is expected of them. I have negative opinions about China and the authority figures there, the government, the CCP, everything. But if I found myself in China tomorrow I would shut the fuck up about it even if I didn't like what was happening. Someone who rants about the evil decadent west and thinks moving to such a place is going to introduce them to a way of life that's much better might have their illusions shattered Paris Syndrome style. I don't think you're big and bad and tough for going to an authoritarian shithole. I think you're stupid if you're getting mad at anybody who discusses the potential consequences with you.

10% life plan to volunteer for Burmese military junta's english speaking PR team. they do a lot of good work.
and maybe could help some Burmese christians from getting bambozzled by CIA agitators in fools quest for political freedom, and help them incorporate peaceably with their militart powers that are engaged in the yeoman's task of BTFO tyrannid muslim hordes.

I can't really speak about myanmar, but most of what's been said itt is total rubbish and comes from people who's main source of information is the BBC

>>2850426
hey leave tyrone out of this

>>2848938
I never assume that anybody is going to have my back in a pinch.
>>2849133
Burmese don't seem to be the kind of people who would rob a foreigner for the money in his wallet. All the rest, well, it's just a matter of being patient and calmly waiting out any inconvenience or hassle that arises. As long as my money is safe, I'm cool with whatever. Got all the time in the world. And I kinda dig the whole traditional Asia vibe. The women in their tribal dresses, the dusty roads, the temples, the inscrutable looks from passersby who haven't seen a foreigner in years and don't know how to react. Strip the travel life down to its bare basics, to the point where you're grateful just to have some food in your belly. Doesn't matter what it is...as long as its hot and filling, it makes you feel happy. Sleep wherever you find a bed. Go where you can go, when you can go there. Don't force your will on anyone or anything.

>>2851579
This guy gets it. I don't travel because I can't take inconveniences. I'm equanimous in chaos. As long as my financial security is assured I can just roll with everything and enjoy the theatre of it all