>>2858985
Suicide is the only known cure

>>2858985
life does not automatically end when you turn 30 unless you ate yourself into being a fat retard or have done something equally as catastrophic to your health

>>2858985
i was as poor as fuck when i was younger. never travelled anywhere with my family, i went to study but i dropped out because i got in some addiction trouble. had some interesting experiences but i kind of struggled for a few years
eventually i got a job where i got to travel a lot. i haven't stopped since. it's great

>>2858987
This desu
No refunds op

>Would have, could have, should have
Waste of time to think this way and the only outcome is depression. Focus on the future instead

>>2858985
balls deep in brown goblins seems to fix it

>>2858985
suicide is a solution. Check your dm

>>2858993
Yeah yeah, now you can hang out on beaches and walk around cities, but you'll never get the experience of making friends at hostels and fucking chicks you met at the club after getting shitfaced.

>be big poor retard that didn’t go to school till I was 25.
>marry into a big, rich, Chinese family when I was 30
Currently hanging out in Singapore, having all my accommodations paid for. So far on this trip I’ve been to
>Tokyo for 10 days (a little too long desu, you only need 5 days in Tokyo max)
>stayed with my wife’s aunt for a week in Hong Kong
>stayed Guangzhou for a few days at my father in laws (china is low key a big shit hole, unless you go to the big city shopping centers

Plan on going back to Guangzhou on Tuesday. Then take a few trains around china. Plan on Shanghai, a few other places like chongqing. Then ultimately staying with my mother in law in Chengdu.

But I use to think that I wasted my chance on being a sex pest and travel the world. But having a big rich family in Asia that takes you to all the great areas and know all the languages. I’ve been treated with the most insane amount of hospitality, I feel like a king. It’s been the most amazing trip of my life soo far and it’s only half way over. It’s also shown me that America is a shithole to a lot of degrees and Cisco food needs to have charges brought against them, for crimes against humanity and mass poisoning.

>>2859029
>you can’t fuck gross back packing girls and get whiskey dick during sex with them at 30

Heaven forbid, if that’s why you travel to get scammed for over priced drinks at foreigner clubs. Then you missed the point of traveling and should of stayed home and fuck retarded trust fund kids in LA instead.

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>>2859029
>you'll never get the experience of making friends at hostels and fucking chicks you met at the club after getting shitfaced.
i used to play in a rock band, anon
i've seen things you people wouldn't believe

Travel now op. You can watch the endless flow of young, thin, handsome guys who get the attention you didn't and all they have to do is show up. Good on you for working for so long though :^)

By remembering I was a broke student in college and I had no money. Men peak in their 30s anyway when they have stable careers and disposable income. I traveled around some places in the US in my 20s and I still felt just as alone and miserable as I did sitting in my house. I wouldn't even be taking trips now if my gf didn't want to go different places. But in all honesty, my best times are just when we lie naked in bed all day doing nothing no matter the location.

>>2858985
LOL, I did travel in my 20s. It mostly sucked. Spent half my twenties hating virginity and lamely trying to get a gf, then pumped & dumped a chubby little teen slut before falling into the black hole of "life is pointless, nothing has meaning, etc. etc." for most of the second half of my 20s. My first foreign bus trip was to Chihuahua, Durango and Mazatlan in Mexico after leaving the aforementioned CLTS. There were so many other places I could've explored in the fascinating Sierra Madre Occidental, but instead I drank some tap water out of sheer laziness, got some of the worst gut sickness ever, and spent the next two weeks moping in my room barely able to eat and hating my life. Must've been a rotting rat in the water tank or something...

Travel in your 30s is much better if you were an insecure friendless loser as a teenager. By 30 you're finally able to work through all that shit and find enjoyment in life. Good riddance, youth. I don't miss it one bit.
>>2859061
The percentage of young men and women I see paired up and lovey dovey with each other has been something like 5%. The other 95% are either single or in some kind of complicated friendzone/orbiter relationship where you can't just sit on a park bench making out without a care in the world.

>>2859032
>should of

>>2859063
They don't. This is not reflected by marriage data and using your fucking eyes.

>>2858985
You aren't dead yet are you? Go Travel now while you still have time now and stop crying about it.

>>2858985
Travel now and make friends with other uncs

Your 30s is so much the superior time to travel. It is nice to have a bit of a career and financial cushion underneath you, provided your job permits you to take a month or more off every year. That's the only area where being young is better; it's easier to be gone for months at a time. That's the only thing I might regret, not doing more.
And since everyone brings up the hostel question -- the only hostels in which you would feel out of place as an oldie are the anemic party hostels set in the most normie locations. I'm 35 and the last dozen hostels I've stayed at I was about the average age. Maybe 20somethings don't understand that 30somethings simply do not give a fuck about age disparity. I had so much fun hosteling in central america last autumn, honestly a way better time than when I was young and a sperg.

>>2858985
there is little difference between 20s and 30s for travel. i'd say 30s is even better as you have a little more money to spend

>>2859113
>>2859122
Dude, where's your wife? Where's your kids? Go back to your family bro.

Well I did travel in my early 20s, then convid fucked me over, forced to NEET for 2 years and now I'm 29 finishing a degree so there's that. I'd rather have a stable life at this age and be reminded I'm at the same life stage of 21-23 year olds.

>>2859128
I am antinatalist tho

>>2859031
How does one marry into a big, rich, Chinese family as a big poor retard? Could a lowly English teacher white monkey truly win a noble consort's heart?

What's the real difference between starting travel in your 20s or in your 30s? Still an adventure if you choose to make it one.

>>2859141
no. her father will say "you make me shame!"

>>2858985
The only thing worse than missing out on travel in your 20s is continuing to miss out.

Better to start at 30 than 40.
Better to start at 30 than never.

>>2859128
I’m happily married with no kids, waifu doesn’t care how much I travel, and my job lets me take all the unpaid leave I want.

>>2859141
We met in collage, in the US. I also started my career and make decent money (my wife does as well). If you give an honest effort, door will open for you (Asian families will help you however they can).

>>2859095
What data lol? If you're ugly in your 30s you were ugly in your 20s and never had a chance to begin with lmao

The only people I know who traveled extensively in their 20s were trust fund kids. Was not remotely possible for me as an American. If I lived in Europe and could take an overnight train for €30 I’d have done it.

I began travelling in my 30s. Mentally I'm still in my 20s so I didn't feel different. Also I don't care for meeting people in their 20s or for trying to have sex with random girls. I travel so that I can see other countries, to experience their history, their culture and cuisine. Whether I travelled in my 20s or whether I waited until I'm 70, it wouldn't make much difference.

>>2858995
unless op is b8posting this is the only answer and /thread

>>2859325
This is exactly WHY you need to travel in 20s.
You have your entire life to walk around ancient cities and lay around on a beach, but only in your 20s and maybe early 30s can you party hard and fuck bitches without being an embarrassing creep

>>2859339
I lived a live full of hedonism in my 20s. I just didn't do it in other countries. And to be honest, it's no less embarrassing trying to do that in your 30s than it is when you're in your 20s.

>>2858985
I'm 21 and will do as much travel as possible to avoid this later

>>2859141
>big, rich, Chinese family
if you take out the "rich" then it should be easy

>>2858998
>All I'm seeing is a message from some guy called moot in 2013 asking me if I can meet him in a public toilet down the road

I spent my entire 20s travelling and am still tortured with regret, when you're 30 it just happens

>>2859603
when you're 30 you just regret being alive. you want it all to end, but you have to hang on for a little bit longer

>>2858985
>all these rope posts
You should talk to people who've survived their 20s. A lot of them say that 29, 30, 35, 40 was the best age.
I'm not saying to wait to do all of those things until then whether or not you're in your 20s or out of them, but it's clear how subjective age and regret come into play and most people aren't grieving over their high school or college years.
You've got plenty of time.

>>2859713
>A lot of them say that 29, 30, 35, 40 was the best age.
this. I was a reckless faggot in my 20s and never really figured myself out until my 30s. some of the best years of my life.

Fuck this thread is making me depressed. I just turned 29, been dealing with health issues for years now. Considering something drastic so I don't die of regret. Maybe I'll move to NYC.

>>2860299
Nigga just go to Japan for a week. You don’t need to uproot your life. Plus NYC fucking sucks.

>>2859306
90% of men who are good looking in their 30s were better looking in their 20s. Men like Brad Pitt are outliers. Even if you do everything right aging is not attractive. Men love to cope about it being their peak because deep down they know they'll never be 21 again. I'm approaching 30s and while nothing much has changed physically I'd launch nukes to be 18 again. The opportunities you get and the social expectations when you're still in your early adulthood cannot be recreated at any other time. 30s can and will be a good time for many men but you're 21 only once. Please stop coping and selling this bullshit to men when it is very hurtful in the long run.

>>2858985
>in your 20s when you were young
I had dreams of traveling and doing hella degenshit when I was that age. But now in my 30s with pocket money, I am doing just that. Its not nearly the same like being younger as you are now shut away from the fun things. But not all. So I cope by doing what I wanted back then. I was too poor.
>>2858988
also this you fat fucks

I travelled all of my 20s and I'm nearly 30 now.

Best experience was hitchhiking across Europe with this Argentine girl and fucking her in all kinds of romantic places at 21. Being lusted everywhere by young chicks (no money cope or any other stupid shit) and getting into heated arguments with my girlfriend and then fucking her right after. Being completely clueless and broke and ending up semi homeless for a bit before figuring it out. I've got more money now but holy fuck there's nothing like genuine adventure. It can be at any other age but combined with everything else being 21 was the most intense year of my life.

Do it now. Stop coping. You won't peak when you're 35 and fighting against your biological clock. Younger women might find you attractive but it just isn't the same. Even if it isn't about women at youth your brain is just so different at processing things and genuine inexperience lends to some magical moments. Oh you're 29 now? Fucking do it now. You're in your 30s? DO IT NOW. Don't wait for your life to start. Money, career and wealth are useless trinkets. They won't buy you happiness and not with all the money in the world you couldn't buy it again. Ask any billionaire if they would trade all their shit to be young and attractive and they'd do it.

Don't worry about being too old just do it now. Whatever youth or fleeting youth you have live it. And if you haven't youth left at least have lived it. This doesn't just apply to travelling this applies to doing things you truly care for. 99% of you don't truly give a shit about your job and if you could press a button to generate cash out of blue you'd never think about that shit again.

"The great object of life is Sensation - to feel that we exist - even though in pain - it is this "craving void" which drives us to gaming - to battle - to travel - to intemperate but keenly felt pursuits of every description whose principal attraction is the agitation inseparable from their accomplishment."

>>2859348
>it's no less embarrassing trying to do that in your 30s than it is when you're in your 20s.
unc cope

>>2860448
It's true. And when you're in your 20s people treat you like a teenager anyway. No one respects what someone in their 20s says.

>>2860418
You might be falling apart at 30 thanks to your gooning, junk food eating, bedrotting and other degenerate immature NEET habits. That's your fault for being a weak-willed loser, so stop projecting your own failures at adulting onto all of us 30 year olds. In the decade that I have spent going my own way and making my own decisions, every single thing about my life has improved tremendously. Why? Because I am a rational, intelligent adult with strong ego, willpower and self-discipline. Unlike you, my life at 30 is the sum total of all the decisions I have made in my 20s to get here. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

>>2860524
What are you waffling about? I look better than 99% of the men in my same age cohort.
Like the other guy said open your eyes and tell me the average 35 year old man is better looking than the average 20 year old.
There are exceptions but you are fighting a battle against your biological clock. Read any kind of study. Your cells regenerate slower, you're far more likely to bald, you have a harder time recovering from injuries, your metabolism is slower so you must be more disciplined, etc. In many cases even if you do everything right its impossible to look much younger because of your fat pads having disappeared. How many people in their 30s truly look younger? Very, very few. People like to cope and pretend they still look 24 but if you ask actual 24 year olds they can usually tell. I'm not saying you're a subhuman just because you're getting older but you're definitely not peaking. The only way I see you peaking is if you're 1 in a billion genetic outlier like Brad Pitt or if you were severely obese in your 20s.

30s is not the peak for men. It is the beginning of the decline. If you manage your decline well you will have an alright time but stop coping and pretending you are peaking.

>>2860618
When people say men peak in their 30s they mean in terms of status, which is very important to women in finding a mate. The average age of people's sexiest man alive winner is like 42 or something.

>>2861056
A few things.

Young women don't care very much about status that's based on wealth. You're not that rich and these days women pretty much make as much as men, for better or worse. If you want to betabux you have to be really wealthy (and be used as a walking atm) or go for pay4play. The latter is better IMHO. In either case you won't feel genuine desire. With betabuxing most won't even consider it until they've decided to settle down. You're out of touch with current dating market trends and what is important for SMV. You'd probably been right twenty, thirty years ago. Now it's all about being as good looking as possible while having maximum social proof via apps like Instagram. Women don't need providers because the state and endless oofy doofy simps provide just that.

For actual status that matters you need to be a relevant actor, musician or pop culture figure like a streamer. No one on here is going to get that status IRL.

Those magazines that do those polls have zero zoomer readership. I don't even think millennials read that shit. It's all voted in by ageing, old women (+40) and doesn't represent what young women are into whatsoever. Magazines and TV is completely irrelevant in this day and age. If you want to see what young women are truly into get yourself a tik tok account and see what young women repost. It's usually thirst traps and edits of young men who are unrealistically good looking. Sometimes its statusmaxxed musicians and the like but they're also usually backed up by good looks and being relevant to youth. If it's someone older it's someone like Henry Cavill and Jensen Ackles. Those guys have been Chads all of their life and they still mog because they have one in a million genetics.

My point is none of this shit applies to the average man, so don't waste your youth because it will be over soon. Money is largely cope.

>>2861075
I'm not reading all that cope.

>>2860618
You're coming at this from a homosexual perspective, very typical for looksmaxxers who all strive to be as homosexually attractive as possible.
>soft pretty boyface with pale smooth cheeks, easily smiles and giggles, easily fooled = attractive
>well-muscled manface with sunburn, facial hair, disciplined emotional expression, worldly wise = unattractive
The non-homosexual world sees things very differently. But you're gay-coded, so you won't get it no matter how many ways I put it.
>>2861075
Again, if you are getting softer, droopier and less desirable into your 30s, that's on you for making bad life choices (because you're a stupid brainlet whose crowning achievement in life was being a helpless child for 18 years and letting his parents make all his decisions for him).

>>2861082
Oldcel coping with being aged out of sexual market... sad!
>>2861084
What is homosexual about being the most attractive version of yourself? You seem to be projecting.
Who said anything about being masculine? To be attractive as a man you need dimorphism - masculine jaw, eyes, cheekbones, etc. Also height, big frame and dick.
You're the only one waffling about looking gay lol.
>bad life choices
Yes to a degree but even if you do everything perfectly you will age and eventually become less attractive. I think it's possible to maintain good looks in 30s and even 40s if you're very disciplined and have great genetics, but my point is that there is no point in waiting until you're 30 to do all that shit. Everything related to dating and socialisation will be easier if you're in your 20s.
You're also not taking into some men who might be predisposed to aggressive alopecia and even with fin, minox and hair transplants they can still go bald. Shaving your head is not always an option, most men look like shit without hair.
Some people have facial features and build that doesn't age very gracefully. Don't waste your time and take advantage of your youth.

Redpillers love pushing the idea of 30s being peak because they subconsciously know they blew it when they were younger and they're playing catch up. Not to mention that younger generations are very ageist (which is retarded) and many women will disqualify you from you being a potential partner purely because of your age. Social pressure can be hard to overcome and women will generally follow what their friends and society says.

Riddle me with this: if men find young and fertile women attractive why would women not find young and handsome men the most desirable? Explain why it is possible to effortlessly get laid with women while being a broke student while looking good?

>>2861183
>my entire existence is defined by putting my penis inside of a stinky hole

>>2861190
What else is there retard?
You can work, for money, then spend it on shit like toys and hobbies like a child. You'll be playing with your toys alone.
Don't want to be alone? Then you need to be able to put your penis inside of a stinky hole. And now you're back where you started.

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>>2861075
>having maximum social proof via apps like Instagram
And this shit is so obnoxious now.
>it's all about the content
Yeah you need to be parading around like a retard taking selfies and making videos spending your life for a fucking app and building your lifestyle propaganda to be able to talk to many women.

>>2861190
It's not purely to get laid. People treat you better and it makes your life easier in many ways other than getting laid. There's lots of studies that better looking people get paid better, etc. I won't post studies but feel free to look into it.
>>2861197
It's not about 'content' or followers per se (although the latter will definitely halo you). It's to show off you're a normal guy, have pics with friends, doing normie things, travelling, etc. It's shows that you're a well adjusted individual and not some terminally online 4chan freak. I don't like doing this but hate the game and not the player. You don't need to do anything special just post a few pics of yourself doing cool shit. You don't need an influencer tier profile.

>>2861198
>show off you're a normal guy, have pics with friends, doing normie things
I haven't done anything of the sort for like 10 years lol I feel completely fucked.
I'd have to dig through old photos and people see my ig will be like oh you have these photos and you're traveling and with people and 0 followers were are your friends bro lol. Hmm you look a lot younger here too.

But still I'll see plenty of women and ladyboys with hundreds to thousands of followers and they're literally whores. All they to do is exist and play with peckers or post pictures of their ass. Just put up some selfies that's all they have and all they need.

I'll build an IG with selfies and study mates.

>JBN just be normie
It's a lifetime too late for me to do that. I was set up to fail from the beginning and had to struggle, work, overcome, figure out and build for too long. I will never be normie and go fuck yourself.

I'll build an Instagram full of ladyboys.

>>2861203
You can get followers quite easily. During travels most people will swap their Instagrams as it's less personal than using your WhatsApp or whatever app you use in your country. If someone questions 0 follower count just say you deleted your old Instagram after a difficult breakup or come up with whatever excuse. You'll have OK numbers fairly quickly. I think most normies have 100 followers and 100 following usually. Sometimes random people will add you, you can use that to inflate your follower count. Once you got decent numbers you can start unadding people and curating who is following. Usually it's a halo if you got more women than men BTW.

For actual content at least have a good profile pic of yourself and a few extra photos of you. Rest could be your travels or your hobby without you in it.

It's not very complicated and it makes you look 10x more normie. It's also a decent way to keep up with people who you might have met up with without messaging them directly. Say a girl who you met with and had a nice interaction posts a story from the same place you're in you can hit her up and use that as an ice breaker. On dating apps many women will instantly ask your insta to get an idea of who you are and also to weed out fakes.

>>2861194
>You'll be playing with your toys alone.
all I want is to be alone so I can get away from mouth breathers like yourself

>>2858985
Genuinely how do people in their 20s afford to travel often? I'm 23 and blew all my savings a year ago to travel to Japan and while it was fun I can't see myself having money or time to do something like that again. Especially if I don't want to live in my moms basement forever

>>2859029
I'm 35 and spent the past two weeks doing just that, what in the fuck are you blubbering about?

>>2860423
This sounds nice and all but might not be applicable to all the anons here.
I traveled when i was 23 for half a year. France, Portugal, UK. Like other anon said people basically treat you as a child when youre early 20s. I was very lonely. If you cant fit in with the normies back home chances are you wont fit in with the normies abroad. And normies are the majority. If you dont care about hedonism, cheap thrills and other trivialities most of this advice falls flat. I remember going to some EDM festival innawoods and i truly had an abhorrent time. Abyssmal. Everything is in the mud, everythings loud, people are drunk and high and being generally ratchet. This is something that usually an old person thinks about festivals, but i was young then. That kinda stuff just isnt for everyone. Then i remember i fucked off from there and ended up in Morlaix, in a picturesque city with beautiful architecture and i particularly remember the roman aquaduct. Had a great time. Rest of the travel i didnt follow the herd, i just went through nature and beautiful cities and stuff like that.
To all the different anons- being a degenerate isnt that great as some make it out to be. Follow your heart and do what makes you happy

>>2861203
> full of ladyboys.
is it visible to everybody that they are following you and you are following them?

What a sad thread filled with degenerate coomers and homosexual looksmaxxers. You all deserve to rope

>>2861194
I FEAR people who center their life around sex. Or for that matter, any other kind of pleasure. To the point I have to wonder if you count as people. This is such a nihilistic and mechanical outlook on life that if I had it I would rope myself.

>>2862786
I dropped acid at a music festival as a 23 year old with some coworkers from my job 800 miles away (I drove them to and from the festival) and was likewise horrified by the normgroids with their outlandish costumes and drunken clamor. The only good experience was sitting by our campfire holding Connor's bluetooth speaker to my face and letting the Allman Brothers' guitar playing become my all-encompassing bliss for a few minutes. That experience commenced a period of blackpilling about human connection which set me on the path of choosing solitude as the default mode of life. Not because I hate people. I just get very fucking tired of manipulating my behavior to suit social expectations for any extended period of time. The unique, non-repeatable interactions of the travel life are ideal, because nobody has the power to repeatedly impose their company on me. I'm packing up, checking out and moving on tomorrow...you will never see me again.
>>2861571
>why are anons so meticulous about their expenses? i never care about that shit
>btw i spent ten months' savings on a six week trip, now i'm stuck working and hate my life
I go back to work because I want to be stationary and productive for a change. It's a choice made of my own free will, thanks to frugal spending habits. Frugality, anon. Try it sometime.

Traveling is ok but you're being melodramatic.

>>2858985
Rate things are going I won't stop being a poorfag till my 40s or 50s. I probably won't want to travel more by then since I've only ever traveled to get laid.

20 is the new 10

>>2863731
With how retarded most people are this doesn't seem too off.

I don't because I did that and I'm not sure how I feel about it, not regret but feeling I could have done more actually. I'm in my 30s now and quite tired to do anything, the magic is gone or something. I'm just going back into making art, writing music and short stories, sports and dance. It's better for the soul to always do many things.

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Damn I didn't know it was uncommon to travel in your 20's. You're honestly better off because you're a lot smarter
>got scammed in Kiev at 22
>lived in Berlin for a year and largely wasted it because I was depressed and didn't know what to fucking do
>got the shit beat out of me drunk on the street in Santa Marta, Columbia at 24

Now that I'm a lot older I know how to budged my time and money. It's not that great being a young traveler pussy is temporary like drugs

My friends that traveled in their 20s stayed poor and settled for fat wives and are tied down with kids. I grew a business and have lots of money and a big pool of women to just take on dates and fuck. I am perfectly fine woth my choice to not travel - ill get to it later

>>2860368
But I'm pretty fucked up. Live in a small city, don't meet anyone. Although I make a very good income and own a home and have all the trappings of success, I feel like I've been spinning my tires and wasting my time. Mid twenties were spent dealing with a severe autoimmune disease, and when I got that under control I was diagnosed with CANCER at 28. I survived - four more weeks of chemo - but I lost all my muscle, my hair, and it's going to be a lot of physical therapy to regain my physical function, if ever entirely. I used to do trail running - I ran an ultramarathon once. I lifted weights. Now I can barely walk.
And aging is staring me down like the barrel of a gun. If thirty is the start of the decline, I've been thrown in at roller coaster pitch compared to most. I had these grandiose dreams, direct a movie, release a music album, but everything feels stupid and impossible now. >>2860423 seems to be telling the truth to me. I've never HAD a girlfriend. Oh, I was having my own version of fun at horror conventions and solo travel and lots of concerts. It all feels like an enormous waste now. I didn't fuck once, and I might never. The cancer gave me nerve damage anyway so I can barely feel my dick, the opportunity could be literally gone. "You shouldn't define yourself by women being attracted to you" well I wanted companionship, I never got any, and I only have myself to blame. This lackadaisical fucking idea that I had all the time in the world - "it'll happen eventually :)"
I haven't been able to get a proper night's sleep in weeks because I'm so upset about my future. Just take one of my prescription oxys (probably addicted) and wait for exhaustion to give me a break from the constant grief and regret. I spent my twenties in a small town with a small but close circle of friends, doing solitary pursuits that I thought were interesting. I thought that was okay. Now I feel like it's all been a waste and I maybe should have died on the operating table

I did but I was too troubled to do it properly.

>>2858985
I had 2 young kids and didn't have the money to go anywhere. Now my kids are old enough to stay home, and I have money to go wherever, it's great.

>>2864601
I'm the guy who you say is right.
Bro you literally had near terminal illness I don't think there's much you could have done. All I'll say is stop moping about, lock in and make the most of what you've got left. The wah wah woe is me won't get you anywhere. If you feel discouraged leave this website and never come back again. Look into antiageing and looksmaxxing in general for improving your appearance.

You'll be alright as long as you don't jerk yourself off and wallow in your misery.