Can someone explain to me why New York State has gone completely to pot over the last ~10 years? I was just up in Buffalo in February and it felt like every single area I saw was completely falling apart. What went wrong, here?
Lol that's why I stay out of Buffalo. I don't think there's anything there to see but ghettos. There's lots of nice stuff to see in NYS, but it isn't in Buffalo. I enjoyed Treman State Park last year.
>>2867505>What went wrong, here?insane taxesinsane lawsinsane anti work mindset
9/11 was bad.
>>2867505Cuomo was fucking atrocious at actually governing the state – he preferred to LARP as mayor of NYC until his entire party went down in flames. Nowhere outside the city has a functioning economy. The wealthy all moved on 15 years ago and left nothing behind. No sense of community or brotherhood because New Yorkers have the biggest egos on the east coast (unearned, of course). No real culture – the state is a pariah among the northeast. Picture a group of hobos sitting around a tire fire and you'll understand New York. I grew up there, moved to Providence just before the pandemic, and never had even the slightest urge to go back.
>>2867515>no real cultureI know you are talking about just the city I guess, but upstate NY does have culture. It has the highest concentration of roadside farm stands I have ever seen selling produce, dairy, meat, flowers, fruit, and even unusual homemade jams, tinctures, and vinegars, as well as lots of interesting types of honey and maple syrup for good prices. Just don't go on a Sunday cuz some of them are religious and aren't open then - Friday and Saturday are best. Some of the stands have auto-pay - a cash box and/or an iPad to ring yourself up on. And there's lots of cute little gorges - among them the famed Letchworth State Park. But I agree there are lots of rules and regulations and it can get crowded.
>>2867515>I grew up there, moved to ProvidenceWelcome home. It goes through waves and is mogged by Boston in nearly every single way, but I love living in Greater Providence
I stopped in Albany once on the way to Montreal. It was one of the most hellish cursed places I had ever seen in the US. Only kinda cool thing was the main plaza, but everywhere else was a shithole. In fact all of upstate NY past Albany is a total wasteland up until Canada. It's surreal.Is the Buffalo-Rochester side on NY also that bad?
>>2867541I missed seeing Albany itself, I stayed in the catskills at this elderly gay couple's home and THAT was an experience itself (house was a bit falling apart), but it didn't seem that bad just small. I was there to hike - have you seen Thacher State Park? It's very nice. Albany is just a base to hike the Catskills. Rochester has verrrrry pretty old buildings but a lot of blacks and crime and a bad vibe. I had some GREAT Italian food in a sort of gentrified neighborhood (homemade rigatoni ++) and there's waterfalls IN the city you can see (but they don't make the parking clear and the signage is terrible). I want to go back to Rochester but be selective of where I go, the ghetto parts are best missed. Now, UTICA, Utica is cursed. Do not enter that forsaken place. And I say this as someone whose grandpa grew up there. Also, you can get a better angle here looking out more but you have to hop a fence and shimmy down to a narrow cliff edge and it was very windy when I was there. NY does that a lot where the best views involve hopping a fence.
>>2867541I wouldn't describe Albany like that. It looked pretty interesting to me, coming from rural New Hampshire, and also quite black & ghetto. Lots of people on the street on a sunny September afternoon. Public transport everywhere. If you want to visit a muttmerican city, you're gonna have to accept the presence of bad-smelling muttmericans loudly expressing theyselves on every street corner. >>2867541Plattsburgh is all right, a rather sleepy downtown and not too many cuties. They have some nice greenway trails, a lake beach, etc. Oswego and Malone were two places I really didn't care for in NYC, mainly because there was hardly anything on the streets besides cars driving around. The closer you get to Canada, the grumpier the people get. Canadians really are some of the snootiest and most passive-aggressive hostile people on Earth, dunno how they got an unearned reputation for being polite.
>>2867562Oswego has a fort by the water you can walk around and I wanna say you can do boat rides from the shore and there's a dock you can walk out into the water. When I was there there was a mom and her kids and I think they tried to go swimming and you weren't allowed to and maybe someone yelled at them for it and the daughter was crying and wearing a swimsuit it was messy. Oswego had a cool little art store that I got a glass bowl at so don't knock it entirely. What it enticed me much more was the Tug Hill Plateau. That was a cool area, there's some gorges there (well, 2 of them), and it's quite scenic and quiet and there's lots of waterfalls but NYS is anal about not letting you swim unless theres fucking lifeguards at a waterfall (Treman State Park). Also the Maple Museum in the Tug Hill area was fantastic and worth the drive if you like looking at old-timey equipment up close.
Because the industries that kept it wealthy all shut down and/or moved to China. Eastman Kodak being the exception, they were simply too arrogant to consider digital photography.Upstate NY is literally called the "rust belt" because it's full of rusted out factories and abandoned train tracks. It's not "the last 10 years" it's before you were born. You were just too young to recognize it when you were a kid. Same shit happened in Detroit, Cleveland, Gary, etc.Ask your parents about this. This isn't new, at all.
the entire northeast apart from some select rich areas is a rundown shithole
>>2867906the finger lakes seem like there's a lot of money around thereI mean there's a lot of farmland and people who own big farms tend to be rich, too. I also saw a lot of falling apart old homes. There's a mix. But there's lots of pretty waterfalls and gorges and going to NYS to see the bigger towns/cities is perhaps a mistake unless you have a specific interest in something those places have. >the southeast is not a rundown shitholeohlol
>>2867505Buffalo is the nicest it's been in like 50 years bro what the fuck are you talking about? NYC is still NYC and upstate NY is going through the same thing as the rest of the rust belt for the last 20 years, massive youth drain to the south.
>>2867931you aren't being specificwhat exactly is nice to see in buffalo
>>2867932Nothing. It's still a post-industrial dump in the rust belt but at least they're trying to unfuck downtown and its population is growing for the first time since the goddamned 50s. I went to visit my grandma last year and it was the first time I actually thought Buffalo was better than my hometown of Binghamton.
>>2867933so theres absolutely nothing to see in either buffalo or binghamton?
>>2867941There's plenty to see in Buffalo, there's almost nothing to see in Binghamton and quite frankly I don't know why anyone would visit.
>>2867947>There's plenty to see in Buffalosuch as>and quite frankly I don't know why anyone would visit.I like the idea of finding hidden gems in underrated eastern american townsthere was a place in rome that sold sandwiches on freshly baked bread that was great
>>2867948You can visit the site if Teddy Roosevelt's insisting, there's a cool carousel museum in an old factory, the science and art museums, the Olmsted complex, the canal is a great place to chill as long as you don't stay after dark. It's a great city for bar hopping too and you can always daytrip to Niagra Falls.
>>2867962*Teddy Roosevelt's inauguration
>>2867948Compared to the Western towns, the American East feels so untouristy. It doesn't pretend to be a prime vacation destination, it just is whatever it is. The big trees are the highlight of the eastern states desu. Deep shade of a maple tree with singing birds, a buzzing prop plane flying overhead, and those old sidewalks pushed up by the roots. Old ladies and their pretty gardens. 30 mph speed limits. It makes me so nostalgic for a childhood that was cut short at age 6 when we had to move to a soulless newly built subdivision completely devoid of trees and full of random migrants of every possible ethnic admixture, i.e. the new America.
