>>2867529
Stop spamming this shit you autist

>>2867529
Nope
West Virginians do not like outsiders snooping around their towns and their hollows. So can we stop pretending like it is a good place to visit? They are grumpy, fat, lazy and sour-faced. They make very little effort to provide appealing goods & services to visitors. Nearly all of the accessible land near towns is private property, so you have to go into the remote regions to find the open tracts of National Forest land. Yes, the forest is beautiful, but being so isolated from humanity, and dealing with all the indifference (at best) or passive-aggressive hostility every time you go to town, that all leaves you feeling very unhappy even when the sun is shining and the birds are singing.

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>>2867564
some do some don't, I think it depends on your attitude, they are certainly hostile to outsiders, but if you show genuine, repeated interest in their land you can get exceptions to the private property rule and they will show you around

>They make very little effort to provide appealing goods & services to visitors
my burgeoning art collection says otherwise
appalachians are master of painting, metalwork, woodwork, glass blowing, and other fine arts, but really I think the lathed wood bowls stand out the most - if I had a lot more money I'd collect paintings you can get very, very nice original paintings for a few hundred dollars in smaller towns, whereas more "established" places like Asheville or Brevard you would have to pay thousands for nice paintings.

> that all leaves you feeling very unhappy even when the sun is shining
go when it is cloudy
Appalachia shines most on cloudy days and it just looks prettier in a darker light

It's certainly a forbidding place but I think it has a lot to offer, especially for families and younger travelers on a budget willing to research and plan a bit. I mean sure you have Dollywood and the Smokies and that can be done with minimal planning, but there's all sorts of unusual pockets of randomness where you pull off on a road in the middle of nowhere walk for a bit and suddenly there's a 500 ft gorge below you.

>>2867539
so critical

>>2867565
Seconding, idk if >>2867564 is a "fuck off we're full" type who's false flagging from that area or if he's a progressive who treated WV like a human zoo of rednecks and got called out, but that's not the impression I got there whatsoever when I was down there. They were very friendly and I was openly a New Englander

>>2867726
He's a fag who has never been to West Virginia and also a retard who doesn't realize that the Appalachians begin in Canada and end in Alabama and WV is only notable for being entirely within them. If you just randomly wander close to someone's dwelling/livestock/outbuildings they will flip their tits just like anywhere else. Most of the region is a dying backwater, if a (white) stranger shows up at a local bar they'll be treated with indifference or curiosity, same as any other rural backwater.

positive vibes only please

>>2867738
Suck yourself

>>2867730
I have been from Georgia to Maine on multiple occasions. And I don't care to be around those people or their fucking Private Property signs which cover virtually every patch of land which isn't too steep to walk around in. Would much rather go to some European mountain range, where most of the forest is open, footpaths lead everywhere, and nobody's gonna come out hollering with a shotgun if you walk past some invisible line in the woods. Outdoor recreation in so much of Appalachia is riding an ATV through the forest looking to kill animals. It's fucked up. And we don't even have to mention the lack of public transport throughout the region. It only connects the larger towns on a small number of corridors, which are invariably shitholes full of the dregs of Appalachian society. The drug epidemic has completely changed the nature of the region. Even as recently as 2014, people were much more friendly and trusting. Not anymore.
>>2867726
I've simply gone elsewhere in the world, and that's allowed me to compare and contrast the character of the people who inhabit the eastern mountains of America with the character of the people who live in other parts of the world. And no, it's not the young men who are hostile. In fact, you hardly even encounter any of them, because they're either busy working or gone elsewhere in search of work. It's the women who are all disgustingly obese and sour-faced. IDK how you can even pretend to enjoy the company of such characters.

>>2867762
you gotta be a purist and go to appalachia for the natural beauty and not judge the locals, they just are the way they are and you aren't gonna change 'em

>>2867762
>Outdoor recreation in so much of Appalachia is riding an ATV through the forest looking to kill animals. It's fucked up. And we don't even have to mention the lack of public transport throughout the region.
Are you a woman by any chance?

>>2867781
he's right in that there are parts of appalachia where there really only is ATV/dirt bike trails for miles and miles and limited infrastructure for actual roads and pedestrian trails.

Real men trespass

>>2868118
It just shouldn't be an issue. If I am just there to politely see a view, I shouldn't get screamed at or a gun pointed at me. I want to change the culture.

We have to recognize the difference between rifling through someone's property to try to steal or disturb their stuff and just being somewhere to look for a view. I wish the government would work with private property owners to establish more easements and access. I get it, nobody wants traffic all day morning to night of visitors looking for a view. But maybe there's a compromise.

>>2868119
Land ownership is Jewish

>>2867529
I have spent a lot of time in this region. All the women are fat. In fact, most of the men are fat too. There are a lot of drug problems. The people in this part of the country are kind of schizo, and exhibit a lot of odd and anxious behaviors. It also has a lot of poverty. This is just the reality of the place. Yes it had beautiful nature and is cheap(for US standards), and yes there are some good people and they can be based in their own way despite being fat schizos, but there is no such thing as truly quaint and trad in the US. The women are just way too fat, there is too much feminism, too many drugs, etc.

>>2868136
feels like a botpost
too generic and broad and un-self aware

>>2868136
The Germanic-descended farmers of the Upper Midwest are more wholesome, eugenic, and well-adjusted people than the Scotch-Irish hill Williams of the east. The Midwesterners do come off as generically moderate landowner NPCs more so than the quirky dwellers of Appalachia, and it can be hard to get any sense of their real character in a casual conversation.

Too bad the topography in the Upper Midwest is so stinking bland. A few river bluffs and vast stretches of mosquito-ridden swampy woods deemed worthless for farming.
>>2868136
Feminism is a buzzword as meaningless as racism. Drugs however are 10x more destructive than the boozing that has always been the traditional escape for heartland Americans outside the Bible Belt. Boozers don't get paranoid of strangers.

>>2868193
a) there's lots of outright german families in appalachia
b) the ethnic differences between scots and germans are truly minor

supposed to be nice and warm this week

>>2868195
>There's a lot of outright German families in appalachia
Lmao no there isn't Pennsylvania is the only place with a decent sized German population. The vast majority (90+%) were Anglos, Scottish, and Scotch-Irish. The region is famously associated with the "yeoman farmer" for this exact reason.

>>2868463
I don't think you've ever actually been and talked to the locals and looked up their last names. What do you think "germany valley" is named for? How about Helvetia?
high germany rd

germans are just assimilate default whites so you don't think of them as an ethnicity because they are the main one.
>Anglos, Scottish, and Scotch-Irish.
who are all ethnically pan-germanic and speak a germanic language you are splitting hairs even if we ONLY talk about mainland germans there's still plenty of people who descended from German families there.

>>2868465
You don't need to go there, retard, it is an objective fact. Germans overwhelmingly went to the Midwest and by the time of their mass migration in the mid 1800s Appalachia was well settled. Their early settlers were primarily in Pennsylvania and it was mostly religious outcasts like Quakers and Mennonites.

>>2868469
sourpuss

is it?

Ok so I guess everyone here just wants to bone brown women or really any women I guess SEA is just set up with easy cheap fucks and I guess cheap/safe flights/hotels for westerners. Anyways lets say they turned the natural beauty of Appalachia into literal whorehouses like you showed up at the scenic overlook and there was a log cabin with a glowing red sign on it and local women on the porch advertising their services and you could go in and get boned while enjoying the views, would you be more likely to visit?

>>2868136
Its really sad, I mean WV is absolutely a gorgeous place

It doesn't also make sense because WV was litterally a state that was founded on saying fuck you to the establishment and yet became more pozzed with coporate interests absolutely raping the land and flooding it with drugs.
>>2867726
They choose to be a human zoo of rednecks and fent/meth addicts.

>>2869054
my favorite story is that basically before the mining and logging companies owned most of the land, local people did. And the companies would come in, presumably hire some attractive young man to provide you a nice dinner and get you drunk and hope by the end of it you would sell your land to him. They did this over and over and collected most of the state this way.
If you look at land ownership maps the stuff that isn't public land is either small local families, but much more of it is huge parcels owned by out of state mining and logging interests, or owned by hunting clubs, or sometimes you have public land that is leased to hunting clubs or mining interests and is therefore INACCESSIBLE to the public.

>>2869054
>WV is absolutely a gorgeous place
it surely is

>>2868465
Germans don't live in filthy trailers surrounded by strewn rubbish. Scots-Irish do.
>>2869045
Already posted about how India's Sahyadri Range mogs the eastern American mountains in so many ways. Empires were founded on mountaintop fortresses here, with sheer cliffs commanding the valleys below. Beautiful forests and flowing creeks are great, but how long can you spend staring at same-same trees until you get tired of it? Two weeks? Appalachia simply isn't cut out for vagabonds like the Western states. Good free campsites are so rare, because all the flat land is inhabited. Often you can't even find a spigot with drinkable water to fill your bottles.

>>2869431
>Germans don't live in filthy trailers surrounded by strewn rubbish. Scots-Irish do.
Anon I was just in Harman WV. Harman is a german name meaning man of war. Whitmer is a nearby town - meaning white summer in dutch or swiss. You just don't notice all of it. It's obviously a different sort of German than most of the ones currently in Germany, that's not up for dispute.

>but how long can you spend staring at same-same trees until you get tired of it?
well the point is to find different rivers and there's a different look to the main stems and the smaller branches. You can get various angles and a canyon in NY looks different from one in TN.

>Often you can't even find a spigot with drinkable water to fill your bottles.
eh you can just drink out of the stream if there's no farms uphill of it, I mean I guess you are supposed to filter it but I haven't had any issues

and there ARE springs all over appalachia and ive started saving them to my google maps so I know where they are. There's plenty of dispersed campsites along creeks but they are popular on summer weekends (gandy creek, cranberry river - both have easy access to water)

>Two weeks?
well yeah do you normally go on vacation for longer than 2 weeks? you will be so fucking sore from hiking you won't even make it two weeks. the trees won't matter when your legs are screaming.

>>2868136
Why can't we just globally eradicate that ideology?

>>2868193
My stepfather has German background and we live near the northernmost tip of Appalachia but I'm mostly Scots Irish. We own a lot of land though, 72 acres at one point.

>>2869662
>the northernmost tip of Appalachia
New York?

>>2869767
nta but we call it the "Catskills" in NY and the "Poconos" in PA, because there's a whole industry of selling big houses in the middle of nowhere to middle class new yorkers who want to move somewhere cheaper, and those names are better for property values (which is to say no one in NYC is going to buy a house in "Appalachia" no matter how cheap it is). The locals have generally put up with this because at this point the number of transplants in those areas outnumbers the "natives".

If someone volunteers that they live in the northern part of Appalachia it generally means they live south of the Mason/Dixon line.

>>2869769
geologically the land surrounding the catskills on 3 sides is appalachia, but the catskills themselves aren't
I actually had never been to the catskills before and had a nice time in september, very very dry unfortunately. Got cold at night a few nights!

better than SEA asia

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>>2869432
Mmm, the lovely taste of toxic seepage from coal mines! Toss in a rotting deer carcass for extra flavor. The piped springs outside of mining country are good, however.
>canyons in NY or TN
Hardly. Picrel is a canyon, Aswal Khind, which I hiked to yesterday from a public bus stop. 11 hours total trip. Over there in eastern America it's 99% sloping hills covered in trees through which you can only get the tiniest glimpses of the valley below. If you're lucky there's a big jutting rock at the summit that provides an overlook, but that's only one small spot. The Blue Ridge Parkway was slashed through the ridgetop forest for the sole purpose of creating scenic views where there were none.

>>2870293
>Mmm, the lovely taste of toxic seepage from coal mines!
It's not exactly unknown where mines are and you can be pretty sure if you are or are not downstream of one. Like um don't drink the water in the Cherry River.

>through which you can only get the tiniest glimpses of the valley below.
you know the drill, as you said you have to walk to the big rock with the view, but in exchange you get beautiful trees that change color in the seasons.