How "safe" is installing chink spyware overall?I want to visit China, specifically Shanghai and Hangzhou, to see with my own eyes how real is the chink century propaganda, but its literally impossible to do anything there without phone apps.The minimal stack required I think is Alipay for basically everything, and Amap for maps.I will have to link my passport, phone number and shit, but eh what can you do
The United States is spying on everything you do. They just don't want to share that data with China.
>>2875360True true but you can call Trump a fucking orange cunt or Ursula von der Leyen incompetent and they won't send you to the gulag for it, kind off different levels
>>2875356just assume that while you are in china you have absolutely no privacy whatsoever in anything that you do online or offlineyou might think you are smart or that you are behind nine firewalls or whatever but you are not smarter than the entire machinery of the chinese communist partythat applies to everything you do online but also everything you say out loud in public placesexample, if you fly on air china the safety announcement includes an interesting extra little bit that tells you that they do audio recording in the cabin. in chinese airports there are microphones everywhere, as well as cctv. to use free wifi in chinese airports you have to scan your passport (don't forget that many of the websites we take for granted are blocked)even if you use your own device like e.g. a mobile hotspot, the government has backdoors into every mobile network in china that allow them to bypass normal encryptionbut yes it is very "safe" as long as you only do things that the chinese government think are "safe"
>>2875367>example, if you fly on air china the safety announcement includes an interesting extra little bit that tells you that they do audio recording in the cabin. in chinese airports there are microphones everywhere, as well as cctv. to use free wifi in chinese airports you have to scan your passport (don't forget that many of the websites we take for granted are blocked)Why does this matter for a foreign tourist staying there for 2 weeks tho, if you say something about Xi Jinping or whatever is taboo what could they do to you
>>2875371>Why does this matter for a foreign tourist staying there for 2 weeks tho, if you say something about Xi Jinping or whatever is taboo what could they do to youNothing, they will just deport you and cancel your visa>>2875356>How "safe" is installing chink spyware overall?>I want to visit China, specifically Shanghai and Hangzhou, to see with my own eyes how real is the chink century propaganda, but its literally impossible to do anything there without phone apps.It's safe but the chinese internet is the most niggerlicious experience imaginable. Mandatory ads everywhere, bloatware with no alternatives (FOSS is banned because it's "unsafe" eg - it bypasses censorship too much and they want to prop up their shitty tech companies)The chinese government is basically a junta with a pamphlet. The whole thing is a naked power grab. Any little thing that slights the government is banned due to "security issues", even seemingly benign things like belief in the soul, belief in ghosts, a sad movie set after 1949, any form of spirituality/anti-consumerism etc
>>2875387thanks to decentralized vpns (can select which state or country to be in using residential ips)and ad blocking stuff (how does duck duck go make money?) I don't really experience ads much except a little tiny bit on porn sites THOSE companies could outdo the chinese government at malicious programming but its kinda interesting how you can mostly use youtube without ads at all and have been since agesalso, I noticed youtube and google maps both began cracking down recently on letting you use their products without logging in on a vpn
China having all those restrictions and blockages for western websites and other shit is fucking retarded when every young ching knows how to get a VPN I give them 10 years before they fully open up their internet
>>2875356Israel runs the US and literally puts bombs in pagers and you're concerned about Chinese tech
>>2875387>It's safe but the chinese internet is the most niggerlicious experience imaginableIt's fucking obscene how bad chink internet is. Even the "illegal" stuff (porn and piracy) is all on gay ass circlejerk forums where you need to make an account, wait two days, write an introductory letter and then use some godawful search engine that can't find shit. And you're still locked out of half the features and content unless you pay. It's just a miserable shitshow no matter what you're trying to do.
>>2875390>China having all those restrictions and blockages for western websites and other shit is fucking retarded when every young ching knows how to get a VPNchinks dont use VPNs. 99% of them live entirely behind the firewall and never think about the outside internet. how could they? all exposure and discussion of it is banned. the 1% that have been to the west before or are tech savvy use an "airport" which is basically a proxy service dedicated to bypassing the firewall. they pay in crypto even. it costs a lot less than a vpn and is much more consistent at bypassing it>>2875393the big companies have a monopoly on the cloud servers and they try to get you to pay to pirate content. and the great firewall blocks torrents to the outside so private trackers are essentially useless. What I ended up doing was buying cheap 1 rmb vip code to mango tv off xianyu and downloading everything using yt-dlp, but only because I was dedicated to try living without a vpn or anythingNext time I go back definitely stocking up on media beforehand
they do not give a single fuck about you, they have other shit to spy oni got a fine there riding a bike lol and never paid it btw they didn't arrest me or deported me. if really china spying on you is your biggest worry just don't visit china anon
>>2875410fine for what?in my experience the us is interesting that, at least here in my city, you can do whatever on a bike and not get a ticketrun red lights, go the wrong way down one way streets etcI only got pulled over by a cop once for biking on a bridge on a sidewalk and I explained that the main bridge sucked (metal grates) and he fucked offwhat was your fine for?
>>2875413ran a red light, stupid fine tried to paid it but i couldn't since i was not chinese (i needed a chinese number iirc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04CKWOZtuqUSeems pretty chill DESU. If you wear a covid mask and pay with cash on subways you could get away totally anonymous. No inter-city travel without passport, though.But yeah, those apps you mention are the only 2 I ended up needing. I hooked up my Amex to alipay so i could easily dispute fraudulent charges.>>2875361I no longer feel safer in terms of my privacy in the States than I do in China. I never consented to biometric identification, so how are they able to scan my face at the airport? My local DMV sold my info to an extended warranty scammer. And I live in Denver which is the nation's leader in AI-driven surveillance.
>>2875356Do you fuckers visit anywhere besides asia? Also why cat torture land? Youre supporting this shit
>>2875410kek same I got a parking ticket on a rental car in China and when I tried to pay it they were like well there's 150 unpaid tickets on this car you have to pay first and I said its a rental those other ones arent mine so they said whatever, take it up with the rental company. rental company said yeah just don't pay it and that's end of story
>>2875427Japanese men do the same but to humans.
I just bought a Chinese smart phone for $100 when I arrived and threw it in the bin when I left. There have been reports of Chinese immigration questioning Western tourists about either why they arrived without a phone, where their phone is, or Chinese apps locking devices used by tourists. We sent reps to China and they tried to clone our phones to steal all our commercial contacts to cut us out of our own deals, and we know that because we both encrypted our data and salted it, so there was no other possible source of calls to those numbers other then the devices which were sent with the salted data. There's really nothing on a tourists phone they want other then contact lists, usage data from outside China, they want to skim all the google spyware that was already on your phone.
>>2875638i bought an iphone in china, first time using apple. am i cooked?
>>2875651NTA but China iPhones are better because you get dual physical sim slot and the slight chance that some western inbuilt spyware has been disabled, which is much more relevant to you in your life than the chinks spying on you for two weeks
>>2875427>why on earth would you Westerners visit the world's largest and most diverse continent?>you should go to Africa or South America instead, they're so much better!
>>2875653it was about $100 for the iphone 12 mini, it only has one physical sim and the downside is no esim. the icloud data is stored in china. i say some critical shit about the ccp sometimes so worried i might get denied entry if i go back
>>2875658oh a 12, yeah thats before the dual sims. I dont think the icloud data is stored in China unless your icloud/app store account is a Chinese account. All my iphones are China bought but I have US Apple accounts.unless you are storing coordinated political dissident work on your icloud (not just offhand comments...and also, are you really storing those?) you have nothing to worry about. as other anon said real concern is proprietary commercial info
>>2875356>>2875361>>2875367>>2875410I used a VPN to post on 4chan and asked GPT political questions for my entire time in China and literally nothing happened.
>>2875367Should I assume that every time I go to the bathroom, a camera is watching me take a shit?
>>2875666of course nothing is actually likely to happen to most people. china doesn't really care what foreigners do most of the time. but your data was still not private. i guess it depends how happy you are with that.>>2875742yes. pic related
>>2875749People only want to watch hot white women undressing or having sex, why would anyone want to watch a fat guy take a shit?
>>2875752there's someone out there for everyone anon
>>2875400every sub 30 yo chinese person I talk to has some type of vpn, it's a lot more than 1%
>>2875766if you talk in english its higher than 1%if you talk in chinese to the general population (even young people) its lower than 1%go to a shitty city like guiyang and you will see
