Growing up only speaking English, and never having a reason to learn another language out of necessity, I've never had real pressure applied to do it. Any other country I've been to, English works most of the time and can easily be substituted for pointing and grunting.I feel like I miss out on a lot of authentic conversations and experiences because of this, and I just feel like a dick for not knowing any common phrases etc.How do you pick up the basics of a language quickly? Common phrases etc. how long does it usually take you to get comfortable talking enough to "get by"?
>>2876237Retards, grifters, and larpers completely ruined the possibility of a legitimate conversation about this.In my experience there are no "basics", there's an inflection point several hundred of hours in. Before you reach this level using the language is pointless, after you reach this level the language becomes very useful. But most retards just swipe away on duolingo and never even approach this point.The inflection point is when you can understand so much that when a native says an arbitrary sentence, the chances of you understanding it are basically guaranteed. The retards, larpers, and grifters point and grunt out a few phrasebook words and insist they are "getting by" and that their way is the correct way and then they shill you some mass marketed product that in reality has no effect.
>>2876237I have found success by intentionally studying the language. This doesn't mean passively listening or using a single app like duolingo. You set aside time to learn new words and grammar, read the language, and deliberately immerse yourself in media. First you think you are doing great because you learn a handful of words, then you hit a point where you plateau really hard and become frustrated because you don't understand enough, and eventually you hit a point where you understand just enough and pick up new words through context. Fluency and mastery are also separate goals as well. To be able to read shit like academic papers in another language takes exponentially longer than to read shitposts on the internet or signs.I would say ultimately learning a language is a long-term commitment and if you think it is something that can be done in a few months you are doomed to fail. >>2876240This is very good advice.
>>2876237>how do you learn languages?>Growing up only speaking Englishjust fyiyou're always gonna play on hard modeyou have 2 chances in life to make learning languages easier>grow up (actually) bilingual from birthmeaning one parent speaks one language the other the other one>start to learn second language between age 4-8everything later and it's harder>start to learn second language before ~16yoafter that your brain is significantly handicapped in that regard>authentic conversationsyou need to be fairly fluent to get this aka B2/C1 level>How do you pick up the basics of a language quickly? really depends on the languagefor you, as english native speaker, language like Spanish, French, Italian or German are much simpler to pick up than Arabic or Japanese>Common phrases etc. how long does it usually take you to get comfortable talking enough to "get by"?for basic vacation level in the prior mentioned languagesmaybe 6month@1h daily and you should know ~500-1000 words + be able to form and understand basic sentenceswhich is more than enough to e.g. order an beer, get direction etc.but not enough to have simple conversationsafter ~2y of consistent learning you can likely do conversations3-4y @1h daily and you probably reach basic fluencyagain, that's for easy languages from an English perspective and an averageyou'll have a somewhat harder timeif you want a few tips>start learning basic vocabulary from the beginning>join a class for grammar, speaking and listening>find a tandem partner as soon as you can (like A2 level)>switch all your content consumption to target language, such as movies, songs etc.apps like duolingo are good for motivation but the actual value is very low
Download ankihttps://apps.ankiweb.net/Find a VOICED vocab deck of your target languageGet a basic grammar book and familiarize yourself with the basic structure of the languageBarrons makes good pocket books for thisFind content in your target language you'll enjoy watchingRewatch your media of choice over and over puzzling out the grammar and different wordsKeep doing this
>>2876256>after that your brain is significantly handicapped in that regardshitter cope>>2876265you dont need tranki, get a grammar book and skim it. come back to it later when you understand the words but you dont know what sentences mean. most important thing is having content for natives that has both audio and text, and having a quick way to look up words in the dictionary
>>2876237By trying to listen, trying to read, and failing. It's very easy to just Google Lens your way through menus and signs, but try.Obviously, some languages are harder than others for Anglophones, namely tonal Asian languages. Some languages have more oearning resources than others. The DLI ranking of difficulty is about right.
It's hard to learn other languages because English is really the only language that matters and the rest are thirdie languages thirdies speak among their relatives.
>>2876237Just from a basic mechanical perspective, learning a language involves 2 inputs and 2 outputs. The 2 inputs are Listening and Reading. The 2 outputs are Talking and Writing.Bonus points if the language has a different alphabet. I have learned 2 foreign alphabets and enjoyed it. It wasn't that hard, just memory cards and games until I had it.Forming coherent, grammatically correct sentences and everything is not easy. Like trying to learn toddler skills that you never learned before as an adult will be awkward and like a humiliation ritual.3rd world-maxxing is listening and talking to native speakers. Over and over. IRL with context present.You're probably not gonna be in a situation to do that unless you get hired overseas in a kitchen or warehouse where you have to communicate to survive.The most realistic answer is to take classes in it, eventually overseas if you can.Outside of class start writing and reading in the language. Listening to music, watching TV shows in that language. ETC.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZgJjGkrf3co
But OP, you already speak two languages.1. English2. English, but louder and slowerYou can comfortably travel the world with just these two languages.