>>2892860
This park was doomed, and I'm shocked they got that coaster at all, but I'm very glad I got to experience it. It really was a great ride.

>>2892860
I wish I had taken better advantage of it. I only live 3 hours away. There will be other top 20 coasters in the world, and there will be other coasters you can stay on for hours without missing a single dispatch, but there will probably never be another coaster that is both.

Alright guys, I think I've finally cracked the code and have found the perfect itinerary for a European theme park trip next year. We're going to fly in and stay for three days at Efteling (first day barely counts because we'll be so tired) then we'll do a half-day at Walibi Holland and then drive to Phantasialand. We'll stay for two days there, and then drive to Plopsaland Germany for another half-day, then drive to Europa Park and do two full days there. I think it works out really perfectly. We have two days at the major parks, while squeezing in shorter days at smaller parks on the days where we're traveling. If you do it this way, you're actually never driving over two and a half hours at a time. I don't think the pacing can be much better than this.

>>2892889
Sounds pretty great. I'd include Plopsaland Belgium though if I could.

>>2892892
Yeah, that's the one thing I'd feel like I'm missing out on with my current plan. Ride to Happiness looks amazing. I just don't know how the family would feel about adding time for it just to get on one ride. Plopsaland Germany, we're just going for one ride too, but that one is right on the way to Europa Park so stopping there just feels natural. I think in 2028, the German park will have a clone of Ride to Happiness, but obviously that won't be there next year, so that would be the one thing that it kind of sucks to miss. Maybe we could think about squeezing it in, but if we can only get to five parks, I'll still be satisfied.

>>2892860
Legitimately considering booking a flight just for this and SFOG (which I haven't been), someone talk me out of it bros

>>2892896
I don't know how you're doing financially, but if you can afford it, it's a coaster that's worth experiencing, and SFOG is a really good park. The lineup of coasters is very well rounded. And there's other stuff you can do in Atlanta. It's got the biggest aquarium in America.

>>2892896
Why would we talk you out of it? SFOG has short lines on weekdays (except for Superman) and AF1 has short lines pretty much all the time.
>>2892897
Disagree on very good. It's fine, but it's run very poorly right now, which shows up in operations and aesthetics.

>>2892904
Maybe I just had an especially good day, but I was impressed when I went a few years ago. I thought it looked pretty nice and I had a good time on the rides. None of them were 10/10 coasters, but I didn't think any of them were bad either. Staff wasn't Disney level, but I didn't have any particularly bad experiences with them. And the Monster Mansion ride is so special. I think it's a really solid park overall.

>>2892908
It looks pretty bad outside of good landscaping right now and the Gotham area which they redid recently. They’re generally considered to have the worst ops in the industry right now. One thing I noticed when I was there last week is that the rides just shut down during the 5:00 shift change. I walked onto Superman (with my fast lane) which had an hour long wait, but I sat in the seat for 10 minutes while about 12 ops organized themselves. Meanwhile everyone in line baked in the sun on a 95 degree day. Never seen anything like that elsewhere.

>>2892942
Alright that's pretty insane.

If that faggot does his gay little Disney shrubbery update I’m going to kill a nigger

>>2892892
How brown are these parks? Do Europeans actually go to them or do you get there are realize you’ve made a massive mistake? I’m not going to fly to Europe only to end up in a third world country

>>2892860
At least the full metal RMCs look like they'd be really easy to disassemble and move to a different park.

>European theme parks
>Good quality
>Amazing food
>Great staff and dispatch times
>Great atmosphere
>That magic feeling


vs


>American theme parks
>Literally just B&M's on a huge parking lot

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>>2892981
>t. B&M autist

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>>2892981
>European theme parks
>Shutting down because Europe cannot afford AC

>>2892982
Sit-down multiloopers are boring ngl

>>2892954
That guy is fucking hilarious though. Best meme on /trv/.

>>2892985
I’m the B&M autist. >>2892981 isn’t me.
>>2892981
Universal and Disney have those. Dollywood has them except for the dispatch times.

>>2892954
No those are the best posts itt

>>2892982
Looks like an amazing ride

>>2892877
>only live 3 hours away
Oof, that makes for a 6 hour journey if you make a day trip of it.

>>2893012
If he does it on a weekday he should be able to hit everything at SFOG without an issue in just a few hours. It would be a long, tiring day but it's possible

>>2893013
Fair, I'm just a fat pansy who's turned off by:
>waking up early enough to complete a 3 hour drive before the afternoon
>standing, walking, and riding coasters in the hot sun, followed by a 3 hour ride home

>>2893018
At least you admit it. Props to you, tubs.

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>>2893022
I tip my fedora to you, good sir

>>2893018
Another problem is getting through and around Atlanta, I'm sure you know how that can be. I live about the same trip time from Fun Spot. I've never been and I'm debating on whether or not I should brave going through Atlanta to ride AF1 before it closes. I'm honestly not sure if it's worth my while, I hate going through there. How much do they charge for an all day pass? Their ticketing site is offline, looks like AF1 is $12 per ride.

I don't have any interest in going back to SFOG, there's not much that's new there from the last time I visited the place in 2012. The Gold Rusher "coaster" looks lame and Twisted Cyclone just looks gimped. It's unreal that the last good coaster they got was 20 years ago with Goliath, and even then it's not that good. About the only thing I'd be really interested in finding out is how Mindbender is since Premier did all that work to it but again, just not enough to get me over there considering how bad their rep is now (and it was bad then, too).

>>2893032
I went before and I don't remember what the day pass cost, but it was worth it to ride AF1 as much as you want. It wasn't bad. Also they charged $10 to park, but they also give you a $10 card to use in their arcade. It's honestly a pretty sad little park, but with an amazing coaster, and go-karts if you like that.

>>2893023
<3

Has anyone been on Hulk? Looks scary. :(

That ghostbusters retheme rumour for rip ride wasn’t completely stupid as long as they did something interesting like building a giant state puff marshmallow statue and have the tracks go around it

Threadly list of Disney/Universal announcements and dates for your convenience:
Still very minimal news. Probably nothing big until D23.
Florida:
>Both Disney water parks open for the summer
>WDW Cheaper "After 2 PM" tix this summer
>Monsters Inc. at Studios opens 2027?
>"Tropical Americas" replaces dinos 2027
>Front Tire Land circa 2028
>Liberty Belle Steamship intact as of late June 2026 https://wdwnt.com/2026/06/fourth-magic-kingdom-ferryboat-takes-shape-backstage-at-disney-world/
>Carousel of Progress: Life of a Boomer edition starring Walt Disney remodel begins July 6, opening 2027
>Volcano Bay closed Oct 26, 2026 thru Mar 24, 2027
>Lost Continent demolition underway
>Replacement for Poseidon's Fury to be built by Intamin
>Jurassic Park River Adventure closed thru Nov 19 2026
>F&F coaster opens 2027
>Level 99 at Disney Springs this summer
>Horror Make-Up show closed for major refurb, re-opening late 2026
>Level 99 (DisneyQuest 2.0?) open now at Disney Springs

California:
>Fast and Furious coaster still set for "Summer 2026"
>Mike & Sully closes 2027, becoming Avatar ride?
>Buzz Lightyear refurb complete
>Hideous screen-faced pirate animatronic!
>Autopia going All-Electric by Feb 2027

Both:
Independence Day 250 Fireworks shows at Disneyland, Magic Kingdom, July 3, 4, & 5
EPCOT July 4 only
Faggot photo ops all June

Other:
Universal Kids Resort open now in Texas with nothing to do
RIP Arie Force One?

Europe:
>Lion King Splash Mountain water ride at Paris Studio park, late 2027 at the earliest
>New scenes in Rivers of the Far West in 2026
>Universal UK set for 2031

Asia:
>Multi-launch Spider-man coaster at Shanghai DL
>Spider-Man Drop Tower at Hong Kong DL, Doc Ock
>Wreck-It-Ralph omnirover shooter replaces Buzz Lightyear in Tokyo by April 2027
>Tokyo Disneyland Space Mountain currently closed until 2027 for ground-up rebuild (façade complete now!)
>Tokyo maybe razing Adventureland 2026 or later?
>DisneySea Aquatopia closing 5ever Sept 14
Did I miss anything?

>>2893058
Whoops, didn't fix my formatting (lack of greentext in a few sections) from last thread.

>>2893058
>RIP Arie Force One?
>Did I miss anything?
This is the only non-Disney/non-Universal news you could include? Why not give us updates on what else is happening? This is /rcg/ + /tpg/, it would be nice to know what's happening outside of your personal hugbox parks.

>>2893060
>Why not give us updates on what else is happening?
Because nothing is happening outside of the middle east.

>>2893062
I doubt that.

>>2893063
Too bad you don't know how to look things up and can't prove me wrong

>>2893062
Project Purple is coming along

>>2893067
But you do know how to look things up you simply want to cover your personal favorite parks. This is /tpg/+/rcg/, not just Disney and Universal. You could really improve your updates by including a broader balance of news - as it is now, it looks like a post ripped straight off of a Disney forum.

>>2893032
Used to live in Atlanta, there is no good way around town. The town is set up to force you onto an overly crowded 6 lane interstate no matter what. You either slowly slog straight through on 75/85, or you slowly slog through 285, which always has WAY more accidents on it making more traffic at all times day and night.

>>2893012
Yeah I guess that sounded more doable in my ahead.
>>2893018
Actually I don't need to get there before the afternoon. I got to Six Flags at 3:30 last Thursday and did every coaster but Dare Devil Dive, Scorcher and Gold Rusher (closed), including Twisted Cyclone and Goliath 3 times. Then I moved over to Fun Spot and did AF1 15 times. Then I got home at midnight.
>>2893032
I don't have to get through at Atlanta. I'm a Bamafag. You can ride AF1 as many times as you like for $35 I think. Gold Rusher is awesome though and Twisted Cyclone is adequate. Mindbender is meh but in my opinion it was always meh. The best part of it is having almost no restraints despite inverting twice.

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>>2893058
> Did I miss anything?
Yeah, you forgot to KILL YOURSELF

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Just visiting SFGAm today
Sorry for not posting a Florida park.

>>2893081
>>2893082
Based Beyond Belief

>>2893082
Great coaster ruined for those sitting on the ends by poor build quality.

>>2893084
It didn't bother me when I rode it but I'm not soft

>>2893082
Based photo but that goblina in the front with her welfare babies made me kek

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>>2893082
>Raging Bull is nearly a station wait right now
Damn

>>2893085
You’re probably used to your ass getting jackhammered.

>>2893087
Enjoy that pre-drop anon!

>>2893089
The ride sorter put me in the back without asking so I got my favorite seat. The trims barely even hit and I had ejector on at least half of the hills.

>>2893090
Nice. I've never been to Great America but I would like to. Looks really solid.

>>2893088
Yeah, what about it? Git gud

It's a pretty busy day but damn I've never seen the queue this short.

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>>2893098

>>2893098
>>2893099
It's running so fast today that I even had good airtime in the front

>>2893082
>Sorry for not posting a Florida park.
Never apologize for that Be unabashedly based.

>>2893090
That's good, and interesting. I've heard they brought back the trims hard this year.

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>>2893048
Rode it and about shit myself.

>>2893048
I'm scared of big rides like that. I only go to Disney because they only have a few really scary rides like Tron.

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>>2893097
Fag

>>2893099
Why do zoomer children all do their hair like jews? When I was growing up they called it a jewfro

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Just snapped a couple SW Territory shots before I hit up Viper and headed out.

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Raging Bull back row may be mu favorite, but I still have a soft spot for Viper, a mirror clone of the Coney Island Cyclone. Some people say they like it better than the OG but I wouldn't know, I haven't been to New York.

>>2893115
To distinguish themselves from other age groups.

>>2893120
For me it’s Maxx Force, the second fastest (and arguably THE fastest) launch in the world.

>>2893119
That girl with the dyed hair is a QT get her number for me, anon.

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>>2893123
Shit taste

>>2893124
Hear me out...

>>2893124
>women aren't funn--

>>2893058
Was Jurassic River Adventure like the other Islands of Adventure water rides that try to get you as wet as humanly possible?

>>2893162
Nah. Unless you are in the front row you’ll probably come off dry. Go to Popeyes if you wanna get soaked

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[CONCERNING NEWS] The Coasterforce guy is attempting to rizz up Katie from Katie's Coasters

>>2893162
>>2893165
Universal added paid dryer booths at the exit several years ago. My conspiracy theory is that they increased the wetness of the ride to make more money.

>>2892996
These closures had less to do with the temperature and more with the very intense storms that followed. Efteling had a some of fallen trees and branches on some pathways they needed to remove afterwards.

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>water ride at a minor park is getting a cool simulator element which will only be the second one in existance
>the actual drop is stilll tiny and pathetic.

Such a shame. It is neat how water rides are having a mild resurgence at the moment though.

>>2893189
They definitely ramped up the wetness on Popeye. Previously you used to normally get soaked but could get lucky. Now they filled the ride with permanently on water elements that will get every single person in the boat.

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>>2893253
Funny, I just rode Ripsaw falls and I swear you get lkke a split second of airtime at the little hill after the large drop. Felt it in my stomach.

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>>2893253
>It is neat how water rides are having a mild resurgence at the moment though.
Imo it's because a lot of original/first generation water rides are aging out. Tons of log flumes, shoot the chutes, river rapids, and splashdowns were built in the 70s-90s and they're getting old, but people like water rides so the market is there for the companies that build them.

Tbh I don't like most of the modern offerings. In particular that one by Mack I believe that's a "boat" which rolls on a track underwater and can rock and twirl. Maybe we just haven't seen what the ride system can do, but POVs of the one I have seen looks lackluster (it's somewhere in Europe). Enclosing it would be an improvement. Maybe the one Dollywood is getting will be better.

Those power splash coasters like what SFOT and SFOG and some others have just look like gimmicks. Fun once I suppose. Speaking of which, SFOG's (made by Intamin) won't reopen until 2027. Looks like it needs a completely new train.

I think the river rapids rides aren't going to be replaced in-kind though, at least not on a 1-for-1 basis. They take up a lot of real estate, need large crews, use a lot of electricity to run, and are relatively expensive to maintain - not to mention that the industry's insurers have a dim view of them because of several high profile accidents resulting in fatalities.

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>>2893257
That's literally an airtime bunny hop. People always assume you get those sensations from going down fast when it's actually about sustained downwards acceleration at ~9.8ms^2 . It's always counter-intuitive to people who never took physics that the weightless sensation starts as you're still going uphill.

Loggers leap at Thorpe Park had an incredible drop due to it being a 'double' drop, you felt like the boat would go flying off the hill. These kinds of drops on flumes weren't massively popular as they looked milder than a straight drop but they've been replaced with bunnyhops at the bottom which still look imposing whilst giving you the pop of airtime.

Only other double drop I still know of in Valhalla.

On a related note, I just saw the log flume episode of American Dad. They actually researched it, I wasn't expecting Nightmare Niagra to get name dropped

>>2893168
>katie will lose her virginity to someone who isn’t you soon
why live

>>2893259
Gold Rusher uses water?

>>2893263
I took physics and I think that’s wrong.

>>2893301
Holy shit, it doesn't even get you wet. I just assumed since it replaced Splashwater Falls and had a pond around it, it was some kind of water coaster like the Mack ride at SFOT. It never was an interesting coaster to me so I'd never really watched a video of it.

Makes it even gayer

>>2893168
>>2893296
Stop simping

>>2893303
It's all about acceleration anon. Doesn't matter how fast you're going, what matters is how your velocity changes. It's one of the reasons powered coasters (especially Arrow ones) are so reliant helixes and turns, because they already tend to be near max speed so a large drop would be forceless once you've crested.

Comcast just spun off Universal theme parks into their own company. They’ll be getting the United Parks treatment next

>>2892997
>boring

you clearly haven't ridden that one

>>2893359
>They’ll be getting the United Parks treatment next
what does that mean

>>2893359
The parks and the media business are going to be the same company. They're just splitting off cable and internet company.

>>2893168
>>2893296
She's aggressively mid and in her 30s. How embarrassing. At least Jenny Nicholson has a unique charm.

is Alton Towers worth it? How to get there fly from Birmingham?

>>2893359
Literally a good thing and it likely means the parks will get more investments because they consistently make money

>>2893168
If he does that’s grooming.

>>2893347
Weightlessness happens at the top of hills, not the bottom. You got it backwards.

>>2893374
She’s 18 and qt. Jenny Nicholson puts her troon brother in her videos.

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>>2893419
>She’s 18
I'm not saying you're inaccurate, nor am I putting much stock in Google AI. I'm merely providing my source for why I (probably erroneously, and too confidently considering my lack of data) claimed she was in her mid-30s.
Jenny does not do that too often.

>>2893420
Wrong Katie Kriner nigga.

>>2893423
So it seems. She's still aggressively mid. Not worthy of simping.

>>2893427
Still the hottest coaster influencer. Also trad.

>>2893428
>believing the "tradwomen"/"tradwife" meme
LMAO
>Still the hottest coaster influencer
what a thoosie self-own

>>2893428
She's a lot cuter than that chubby whore Sarah who woo'd Taylor away from Mormon church

>every outdoor attraction in mk is down because of thunder
>also half of the indoor attractions are also down
holy shit this is miserable. fucking carousel of progress has a huge line because it's one of the only things not down

>>2893430
She’s a homeschooled Christian virgin. Closer to trad than basically anyone else you’ll ever meet. And it’s no secret thoosies tend to be extremely ugly. Probably 40% of thoosie women aren’t even women.

>>2893432
it's going away next week bro

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Has anybody here been to Efteling? I think I want to visit it more than any other park right now. It looks like it has the vibe of a European Dollywood, but with more dark rides.

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>>2893434
>>2893419
>Probably 40% of thoosie women aren’t even women.
I'd get a double BJ from both Nicholson siblings and wouldn't feel gay about it at all.

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>>2893442

>>2893432
Disney should not shut down COP and here is proof:

>>2893428
What does she even look like? Why are yall simping for this chick? If she was trad she wouldn’t be 35 single and childless, lmao

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>>2893452
HOLY FUCK. This is the chick yall are going crazy for????

Coaster """influencer""" discussion may be even worse than any Disney/Universal posts ever made on this thread (with the sole exception of >>2893444)

>>2893048
Hulk is great but it gave me a raging headache for a solid 20 minutes

I was on Carousel of Progress yesterday trying to get my last ride on it before they butcher it, when allegedly a power surge caused by an intense lightning storm practically shut down the entire Disney World resort.
Ride ops tried to get the show back on so we started to watch the same scene again. Ultimately the carousel wouldn't spin so we all got evacuated anyway. For like an hour at least there was practically nothing to do in the park, all the major attractions were affected and queues were closed.

Ironically, this happened right as I was in the 4th of July scene in which a major punchline is that a bunch of electrical fuses pop. The audience was laughing a lot with the added context of the ride itself having problems (John's head stopped moving, right side turntable got stuck mid rotation so you could see both scenes).

I tried riding again later once things started coming back online and sadly the ride didn't recover well. Audio was desynced pretty bad throughout the entire show and the turntable that got stuck was simply disabled.

Sad way to send it off but oh well.

>>2893109
This but unironically

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>>2893454
No bitch. Why do you guys keep getting confused.

Her smile and optimism: gone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI2_JQZTkzk

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>"Katie's Coasters"
>owns no coasters

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>>2893485
>AdamTheWoo
>Can't Woo anymore cuz he's dead

>>2893472
She was right. This park died that day and is never recovering from this.
It is funny how they have to be tryhard now with the park because of this

>>2893514
It's cool they're getting a Mach spinner but I don't like that it's a shuttle coaster. That's not as good.

>>2893514
That park is still great.

>>2893438
its okay in terms of general atmosphere, theming, magic feeling and family oriented kids rides

But I think Europa Park is superior for adults, it's much bigger, has better thrill rides and more coasters overal and more too.

I don't get why Efteling is so highly rated. Seems almost a bit overrated but maybe it's because i've been there a lot.

They only have 2 coasters that are maybe a bit worthy, but they are short as fuck and over before you know it.

>Python
classic looping coaster, it's okay I guess especially with the retrack and comfortable trains
>Baron
A tiny dive coaster with 2 inversions, 6seat rows, over in 30 seconds
And that's it.
The dark rides are okay
>Droomvlucht
>Symbolica
>Fata Morgana

But that's literally it. Not really worth the time and money unless you are just trying to cross it off your bucket list I would recommend going to Europa Park instead it's basically Efteling on steroids and they have at least 10 fun coasters with 4 very big and good ones.

>Voltron
This ride alone almost makes it worth the visit already
>Silver Star
Very high big for European standards
>Blue fire
solid launched inverted coaster
>Wodan
Good wooden coaster
>Eurosat can can
Nice indoor coaster with amazing atmosphere
>Bobsled
Classic bobslec
>Euro Mirr
Also nice indoor coaster, a bit dated and will go away after this year
>Arthur (if you count it as coaster)
>Many water coasters

But this park is just so massive and everything is nicely themed and the operations are godlike, they keep sending trains, it's so fast and perfect


Phantasialand i've never been to but I heard it's great too, will be my next trip, but they only got 2 good coasters (Fly and Taron) so it feels a bit small

I'd say for top 3 in Europe it would be based on theming alone

1. Europa Park
2. Phantasialand (from what i've seen online)
3. Efteling

If you look at coaster line up I think Walibi Holland also makes a good spot

>>2893535
Also i'm planning a trip to EnergyLandia maybe in 2027 which also has some solid rides (Zadra and Hyperion) but the rest of the park is kinda weird and filler

It's kinda sad that after Europa Park not many theme parks will top it. Like it feels like i've done the best one already. How it feels like after finishing one of your favorite tv shows. A feeling of emptiness. That's how good it was. That it's actually sad it's over and not a lot of theme parks will top it anymore.

Need to save up for a huge trip throughout the US but yeah as an Europoor this is a costly endeavour

>>2893535
Disneyland only has 3 legit coasters, all family oriented, and it's still America's best park. I haven't been but I figured Efteling was Europe's version of Disneyland (I think they even point out a lot that they were founded first). You're the first person I've heard say their reputation isn't justified.

>>2893537
I legit think Europa Park is much better than Efteling in almost every way, size, coaster line up, dispatch times, atmosphere.

The rides the Efteling has are nicely themed though especially Symbolica and Droomvlucht but Europa Park is at least just as good and just has so much more.

I'd say Europa Park is Efteling on steroids and might even be better than Disneyland (although i've never been to Disneyland so just based on what i've seen online)

>>2893535
I do know that Efteling doesn't have a ton of great coasters, but I'm okay with that because the theming looks so great, and I'm totally down to just explore the fairytale forest leisurely. Thankfully I'm planning to hit up all three of the big parks on my trip, so I'll get the best of all the worlds, but I'm really looking forward to the dark rides at Efteling as much as any of the coasters.

>>2893539
Yeah I agree you should at least visit it once, maybe I sound a bit pessimistic because i've been in Efteling like 5 times and Europa Park only 1 time recently.

It's definaelly a nice bucket list park. Btw Europa Park also has a fairytale forest close to Arthur.

Which other parks you hitting?

>>2893539
>>2893540
Oh you probably mean the 3 Europa Park, Efteling and Phantasialand

>Efteling
could be done in 1 day
>Phantasialand
could be done in 1 day (I think)
>Europa Park
you ABSOLUTELY NEED TWO (2) DAYS

It's just too big, unless you wanna haul ass and run from queue to queue and then you have no time to discover all the small and nice things

I went for 2 days and it was absolutely needed. First day I would just do all the big ones just in case, second day is more relaxed still doing the big ones but also discovering a bit of the rest of the park

>>2893438
Been going here since I was a kid. God-tier park. If you're more of a coaster person you will still probably prefer parks like Europa Park or Phantasialand, their coasters are objectively superior, but if you can appreciate dark rides and theming this is one of the best theme parks in the world.

>>2893535
>doesn't even mention Joris en de Draak
How dare you that one rules

>>2893542
Efteling can be done in one day but only on a slow day, otherwise you're just speedrunning the coasters and most notorious dark rides, but you'll be skipping over a lot of the park and most likely never even stepping a foot in the fairy tale forest, in which case why the fuck even come here? Imo Efteling is a park best experienced by slowing down and taking in all the sights, which is really hard to do if you only have one day and you've never been. Last year I took some friends to Efteling for the first time, and they agreed two days is probably best if you're a first-timer.

IT’S UP
>IT’S UP
https://youtube.com/shorts/QU_bZn0eM6I?is=TZHPMq1nkHOPoQgw

>>2893695
She doesn't have a lot of viewership, but she still gets invited backstage at all these parks. Maybe I should start a YouTube channel.

>>2893703
Instagram is her big one. 42k subscribers.

>>2893537
No wonder we get trash talked so much if you really think Disneyland is our best. Universal has gone so far beyond anything on the planet with the Donkey Kong land and Harry Potter.

That isn't to say the hardcore ride parks not sure what you guys like but Universal has the best theming I know of.

>>2893713
Universal has a few individual areas that are better than Disneyland but no complete products. Celestial Gateway and Paris or whatever it is are badly themed. Lost Continent sticks out like a sore thumb. Seussland is always in need of a new coat of paint. Sight lines at Islands are awful.

>>2893714
Islands isn't about sight lines. It's a grab bag of lands. You're not really supposed to be unable to see across the lake.

>>2893715
Hence its inferiority (in part).

>>2893715
And don’t get me wrong, Epic and Islands are #2 and #3 (in that order), but both are a tier below DL (and at least a tier above every other American Disney property.

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Why can't Magic Kingdom build this?

>>2893728
Prohibitively expensive to wrap something that big in rockwork or a giant box.

>>2893717
To be fair DL isn't the best when it comes to sightlines either, IMO its main strength is the large amount of "middle ground" rides, most other major parks give you E-tickets and flat rides with nothing in between

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This shit is going to have the worst line.

>>2893753
I'm glad it's there, I think it'll be cool, but it being a shuttle coaster is kind of disappointing to me.

>>2893728
Disney enjoyers (alpha male Chads) don't like parking lot coasters

>>2893731
Its major strength is literally everything. It’s effectively a perfect park. Its only flaw is being too successful for its own good (crowding).

>>2893756
It’ll also be the second shuttle coaster in three years, why did they do it like this?

>>2893769
Well, the Flash coaster was supposed to go somewhere else, and bringing it to Great Adventure was a last minute decision. This upcoming coaster has probably been in the making for a while, but it is unfortunate that it comes right after another shuttle coaster.

>>2893753
I just don't get the overlong straight inversion.

I thought the point of stall inversions were that you'd get righted just as you feel you're falling into the restraints. At least when topspins do sustained upside down that they're deliberately trolling you.

>>2893753
Maybe for the first month
Great Adventure does not get much attendance now outside school visit days and Halloween events. Even Flash has been a walk on with even worse capacity so I think the capacity issue is overblown

Is Six Flags St Louis any good? I am wanting to make a 5hr trip out to Silver Dollar City, and my route takes me through St. Louis, so I am thinking of breaking up the drive with a trip to Six Flags. But I have never seen the park talked about at all.

>>2893768
Lol what? Its strength is it is fun for kids. As an adult, the park is lacking good rollercoasters. I would take Cedar Point over Disneyland any day.

>>2893753
Why the fuck do people keep building shuttle coasters? Single trains just mean 2hr queues.

>>2893837
The same reason you built them in RCT. They were cheap as fuck and still popular.

>>2893836
Cedar Point sucks though. It's a barren empty lot with coasters of extremely varying degrees of quality. Only like 4 of them are truly unique or good. Maverick, MF, Steel Vengeance, and ?????? TTD I guess?

>>2893864
>Nooooo you can't just have a lot of rides I need shops for my Rey Skywalker laser swords and animatronics of my favorite super heroes
Holy shit.

>>2893834
I like it. It’s kind of shitty but it has some unsung coasters. Reverse Flash is one of my favorites and I like all three woodies, including the Boss (get front row).

>>2893836
Notice how in order to criticize Disneyland, you had to judge something that isn’t there rather than something that is there. This isn’t the case for Cedar Point. We can talk about its shitty ops, horrible guest relations, mostly bad theming, bad ride uptime, bad geography, and ugly aesthetics in much of the park all day. We can talk about what Cedar Point offers that sucks rather than what it doesn’t. This isn’t the case for Disneyland.

>>2893864
5 now with Siren’s Curse. But yeah 5 good rides in the entire park is kind of pathetic.

>>2893877
>>2893836
Forgot the very long ramp-up period for CP. They’ve really sucked the last two Mays, opening well before many of the rides are even open or they have enough staff to run them.

>>2893877
>guest relations
>theming
>aesthetics
Holy shit you are actual faggot. If having a statue of Spiderman next to the queue line is that important to you, stick with Disneyland I guess.

>>2893893
Holy shit you are actual faggot. If having a megagigahypercoaster next to an uncovered sunburnt queue line is that important to you, stick with poorfag parking lots I guess.

>>2893877
>>2893907
Just admit you're a pussy and utterly terrified of big rollercoasters/thrill rides. That's what the basis is for your derision of regional parks. You'd never go to one because you know you'd have to challenge yourself and it's easier to stay in your hugbox park.

>>2893912
Disney fans will complain about rides being copied between coasts while thoosies will ride the same coaster models that only come in one track layout and pretend they're different in any meaningful way beyond what basic theming the regional park can afford to give it.

>>2893912
I'm a pussy and utterly terrified of big rollercoasters/thrill rides.
Parking lots still suck, and you're still a poorfag with no taste. I better not catch you at Sea World or Busch Gardens either. If I see you, I'm gonna waddle over and slap the shit outta you.

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>>2893926
> I better not catch you at Sea World or Busch Gardens either. If I see you, I'm gonna waddle over and slap the shit outta you.
Based and waddlepilled

>>2893893
Not everyone enjoys being in ugly places. Most don't in fact.
>>2893912
Cedar Point isn't regional. Both its workers and its guests often come from other countries. Unfortunately, its appeal isn't wide enough to actually charge for admission. My brother got in twice in May with his gold pass he purchased for $55 from SFOG last year. If he went to a quality park he would have had to spend money.

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The final piece has been installed.

>>2893944
I'm interested in how this ride turns out. If nothing else it's going to be extremely unique.

>>2893946
We need more Macks and Vekomas. Glad the US is getting over its B&M addiction.

The outerbanked turn at the top of the spike on Project Purple, while you're in a spinning car, might end up being the most terrifying moment on any roller coaster. Like it might be too scary for me.

>>2893926
>>2893936
>Sour grapes
Just stop being little wimps

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I know somebody stole the Buzzy animatronic. I wish somebody would steal this fucking thing.

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Stay hydrated today everyone.

>>2893998
TT2 is my favorite coaster. Bad parks can have some good rides. See also: Fun Spot Atlanta.

Well well well, to the surprise of no one except this poor retard >>2892470, Tormenta has shitty scenery. Nothing but gravel, asphalt and dirt.
https://youtu.be/MTLXR46EkF4?is=UhjeTOYzsDujBdSO

BIG HOLIDAY WORLD NEWS
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaVyfFmJPbg/?igsh=MW13MGl5OTlmaXJrbw==

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>>2894039
I think this ride looks really cool. Probably one my mom could ride. I haven't been to Holiday World but of course I'd really like to. I could see hitting up that and Kentucky Kingdom as part of a little trip.

>>2894041
I once did HW in the morning, KK in the afternoon, then HW again at night. Many people also throw in Kings Island.

>>2894044
Oh yeah that's a good idea. That's a solid cluster of parks.

>>2894022
Someone should tribute it

>>2894035
>Bad parks can have some good rides. See also: Fun Spot Atlanta.
That's not a park

>>2894037
The landscaping is the last thing that gets done. It's not going to be left as dirt. I thought that would have been obvious, but I forget just how stupid thoosies can be when they start speculating.

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>>2894057
>It's not going to be left as dirt.

>>2894061
I think you'll figure it out buddy

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>>2894062
>no citation

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>Takes your job
>Ruins economy
>Poops in Disney parking lot
>Stole the one Billionth guest to Disneyland from an American family

>>2894064
Nothing personal, Gringo. Whites are going to be a minority in America.

>>2894065
Already happened anon https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cge/racial-ethnic-enrollment most kids going to school in America aren't white. Its just going to be more and more noticeable as years go by. Itll be intersting to see how it effects the Rollar Coaster industry.

>>2894067
>in public schools

>>2894064
For anyone wondering, according to Disney Parks Blog none of these guests were the literal one billionth guest. The family was “selected as the honorary one billionth guest”

>>2894061
>>2894063
We don't give updoots here

>>2894070
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html
Geez I wonder why they picked them?

>>2894068
>In the schools white american tax payers pay for
>Under the table Mexicans are laughing as you pay for their kid's school (they dont speak english as it's a dying language)
Lmao white Americans are so cucked.

>>2894070
>>2894077
how performative, imagine my shock

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>>2894037
>It'll not look like shit... some day

>>2894096
Weird how Universal and Disney finish landscaping before the coaster opens. I guess Six Flags just does things a little bit differently.

>>2894022
Classic example of fans ruining the ride

>>2894104
Fans didn't ask them to shove him into Florida's Endless Hallway.

torments has a 48 inch height requirement imagine tossing a 7 year old on it lmao

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>>2894096

Should this be more of a thing here in the US?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQr4muU_SxA

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Has anyone visited the irl parks featured in Roller Coaster Tycoon specifically because of the game?
Thoughts on /ourguy/ Marcel Vos?

If you could only go to Walibi Holland or Toverland, which would you pick? Toverland doesn't look like it has a ride as good as Untamed, but it looks so much better in every other way.

>>2894273
Walibi Holland has overall the better coaster line-up. But not too great on theming except for the queue of Xpress Platform 13 it's pretty bland.

Toverland has a wing coaster and maybe a bit more atmosphere/theming like efteling or europa park or phantasialand, and maybe some other coasters but nothing really that good so that's about it, mostly focussed on kids.

>>2894281
Yeah, on my trip I might only be able to squeeze one in. Trying to decide if it should be the nicer looking park with weaker rides, or the uglier park with that one incredible coaster.

>>2894283
I wouldn't say Walibi only has 1 incredible coaster.

Walibi Holland (been like 10 times in my life, also one time a year every past 3 years and was there last like 5 days ago)

>Goliath (decent intamin giga)
>Untamed (one of the best RMC Hybrids)
>Lost Gravity (Great ride, Mack Big Dipper, precesessor to Voltron Striker COaster)
>YOY Thrill (honestly a bit overrated to be honest)
>YOY Chill (same, not really a fan of these single rails but they are fun I guess)
>Xpress Platform 13 (The queue is awesome and I love the launch, it's Rock N Rollercoaster outdoors)
>Speed of Sound (Boomerang, mostly filler)
>El Condor (Vekoma SLC, many complain these rides are rough but I personally dont care)

When I was there last Wednesday YOY thrill/chill only had 1 train running so long waiting times. Overal Walibi is a bit slow with dispatching, Untamed also constantly had trains stacking up and Lost Gravity is a low capacity ride. Goliath and Condor had 2 trains running which was good.

Toverland (havent been there myself yet):

>Fenix (Wing coaster, looks awesome)
>Dvervelwind (Mack spinning coaster)
>Troy (Wooden coaster)
>Some launched bike coaster

I'd say go to Walibi unless you are going with young kids

If theming is really important there is also Efteling, Phantasialand and the Europa Park

>>2894286
Oh that's cool. Theming is very important to me, but we will be hitting those three other parks on the trip so I don't think it would hurt to hit up a more pure coaster park. Ideally I'd like to go to both, but the plan is just to hit up one while traveling between Efteling and Phantasialand. Was planning on Walibi Holland but Toverland looks very charming. I think in a few years, if Toverland keeps expanding like they have been, it would be impossible to pass up, but Untamed does look truly amazing, and yeah it does look like it has a good lineup of coasters, just with Untamed as the star that really grabs the attention.

>>2894287
I see well I think Toverland is more on the route from Efteling to Phantasialand and the wing coaster does look nice. But since I live close by and never took the trouble to go there I dont think it would be worth it for someone traveling too. I'd say go with Walibi Holland it has better coasters. Untamed, Goliath and Lost Gravity are all 3 great, the Vekoma's are also good and the YOY one can also be nice. You get a lot of bang for your buck compared to Toverland unless you are not big on coasters and only wanna go on one ride and spend the rest of your time looking at scenery then I guess Toverland is better. I've been holding out on my trip to Toverland eventhough I live only like 2 hours away from it mainly because I would feel going to a park for 1 decent coaster is a bit of a waste. I'm waiting for my Toverland visit if they hopefully put another big addition to the park then it becomes interesting enough for me.

To add to this it really just depends what you liuke more

>Good rides
>Good theming

Obviously I like both, but if I had to choose, i'd pick rides over theming. Same reason I don't really go back to Efteling anymore. Yes it looks amazing, but Baron and Python are just very short and basic. I always want more, harder, more intense and it just doesn't deliver in that aspect.

Europa Park is still the greatest park i've ever been to. I hope to go to Phantasialand soon.

>>2894288
Yeah I think it will, they seem to be adding a lot. And you're right that Toverland is more on the way, but going to Walibi doesn't put you terrible out of the way or anything, and it would be a bummer to be that close to Untamed without riding it. I do live pretty close to a wing coaster also, but not an RMC hybrid. I guess for right now it's Walibi, but Toverland looks so nice to me and I hope I get to visit it sometime in the future.

>>2894290
Yes I think Walibi is the better bang for your buck and has the better line up. Toverland is nice and they really put a lot of effort in theming and atmosphere (from what i've seen online) and they have some indoor sections, but it's mostly aimed at kids. Right now I feel like going to Toverland for me personally just for Fenix would feel like i'm missing something, maybe even a waste of money same thing I had with Efteling. Yes it looks amazing, the vibe and atmosphere are there, but the coasters don't scratch my need for thrills. I need a bit more intense rides like Walibi Holland or Europa Park have to offer.

What is the cheapest travel option for an yuropoor to Cedar Point? Fly to Chicago and rent a car? I need probably 3 days in the park, so a hotel from the park itself there would be nice. It's gonna cost me a shitload of money right? Probably like 2k or 3k euros per person for everything combined (plane ticket, car rental, park ticket, park hotel stay)

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OY MATE WE WILL BE GOING TO

>>2894298
I think you have to bite the bullet and rent a cart to enjoy Cedar Point. I've seen where it's technically possible to get there other ways but they all take a long time, aren't reliable, and leave you stuck without a way to get around besides Uber. You'll definitely enjoy your trip there more with your own wheels.

I would look at flights into Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh or Detroit before Chicago. Cleveland is the closest but you'll probably have to connect (if that's a big deal to you) and it looks like it only has seasonal service from Dublin. Detroit is further away but has more direct flights from Europe (LHR, AMS, FRA, MUC, CDG) and it's still closer than Chicago. Google puts trip from from ORD to Cedar Point at 5 hours.

Unfortunately Chicago's airport is on the far side of the city plus there are lots of tolls on Illinois expressways. Don't forget that I-80/90 is tolled in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. It's $16 and some change to get across Indiana on it, for reference. If you did fly to Chicago you could hit up SFGrAm too; if you flew into Cincinnati that would allow you to hit Kings Island and possibly Holiday World, too.

Pittsburgh is another alternative and like Cleveland, there's a pretty good chance you'll have to connect to get there. But it would let you hit Kennywood and like DTW and CIN, PIT is a shorter drive to Cedar Point than ORD.

>>2894312
>>2894298
>having to coordinate flight options in flyover land
>having to rent a car to enjoy a budget park
grim.

Anyone been to Energylandia? I have trip to Poland planned for August and I'll be spending a day there travelling from Krakow

>>2894369
It's on my bucket list but I heard it's kinda big and you need 2 days.

>>2894372
I heard the same but unfortunately I only have one day spare I can visit the park. Probably just going to make it a long day and make sure I hit all the highlights, but anyone's been and knows what specifically is worth visiting or skipping that'd be cool

>>2894375
I heard half the park is ugly as fuck and half the rides are worthless, but that's okay because the other half looks really nice, and it has two of the best roller coasters in Europe. If you're anywhere near it, you've got to go at least just to ride Zadra and Hyperion.

>>2894375
Yeah just for Zadra and Hyperion (although Hyperion seems kinda overrated from the video and Zadra seems kinda short). They also have a red coaster and blue coaster Formula and Abussys they are also cool but the rest of the park is weird filler, there are 2 sides basically and they have a lot of copy paste roller coasters like multiple vekoma family boomerangs and shit like why

>>2894338
>Have to overcome your own anxiety about driving in another country
>Rewarded for doing so
Not everyone's a bitch, anon

>>2894383
>overcome your own anxiety about driving in another country
If you have anxiety about driving a car in a first world country, you're a bitch and have no business calling other people bitches for basic observations.

>>2894393
Not him but the prospect of driving on the "wrong" side of the road can be intimidating for the first time. As is the fact that roads around airports are usually busy and complicated and it's at night.

It's really easy though, most people don't realise just how much road design nudges you to stay on the correct side.

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It's gone. B mode or have they scrapped it because of the reception?

>>2894416
The Hatbox Ghost is next. We takin it all.

>>2894415
fair and balance-pilled

>>2894393
I win again bitch: >>2894415

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>>2894422
if that's "winning" for you, I hate to see you losing.

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>>2894424
I accept your concession. I'll let you have the last word (most anons use it for a parting shot).

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>>2894425
well...uh....then....
Filibuster!

Today is the last today for Carousel of Progress (real version) ever

>In 1982, Disney announced three pavilions were "coming soon": Israel, Spain and Equatorial Africa, blending elements of the cultures of countries such as Kenya and Zaire.
What went wrong?

>>2893880
I don’t go in May for that reason. They were always short staffed in May since they rely on college students but now they have more attractions than ever to spread them thin and they bus on schools more than they used to which also overwhelms the few open and short staffed restaurants. Their Memorial Day to Labor Day ops have been outstanding this year though. I recently went to SWO about a week after a Cedar Point trip and I can’t believe how awful the ops and general employees are in comparison. United Parks ops makes Cedar Point ops look like Disney in comparison. Even simple things like buying a beer caused the SWO employees to consult some print outs of barcodes and take 5 fucking minutes to complete the transaction.

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These rides are so fun

>>2894496
>me on the right

>>2894479
pivoted to Hollywood Studios and "Euro Disney"?
>Michael Eisner signed the first letter of agreement with the French government for the 20-square-kilometre (4,940-acre) site on 18 December 1985
>A team of Walt Disney Imagineers led by Marty Sklar and Randy Bright had been given the assignment to create two new pavilions for Epcot's Future World section. The brainstorming sessions led to Wonders of Life and Great Movie Ride pavilions.
>In 1985, Disney and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM) entered into a licensing contract that gave Disney worldwide rights to use the MGM brand and logo for what would become Disney–MGM Studios

I have a sneaking suspicion that WDW suddenly restricting hotels to people staying there is because of the Contemporary guy

>>2894479
World Showcase pavilions were dependent on sponsorships from companies within the specific countries. The only African nation willing and able to put a lot of money into Equatorial Africa was South Africa and Disney didn't want the political baggage that would come with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxPsgjLQ7Fg
Somewhat comprehensive walkthrough of WDW Splash taken seven months after it closed

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Vekoma tilt
>during the pause every single row is looking straight down the track, waiting for the drop
B&M dive
>not even the front row gets to look down the track
>back row can’t see shit
Can we be done with dive coasters now?

>>2892860
https://youtu.be/HlO4eE9xVno?si=vKInRWxWfpcMMWN_

>>2894552
bot

>>2894514
probably a contributing factor, but not the only one. I mean, if you were paying thousands of dollars to stay at one of the deluxe hotels, would you want youths from the budget spots showing up in your food court and pools?
>>2894553
not

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>>2892860
Guys why is summer so long? When are these kids going to be tucked into public school jail again ???

>>2894585
Settle down grandpa, there are fewer and fewer kids these days and fewer parents are willing to send their spawn to public school jail. In 20 years, you'll have no lines (and no one to service the rides, but that's besides the point).

>>2894589
Wtf are you talking about Chinaman

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>>2894604
>Chinaman
nta, but what's not to understand? In the West, fewer people are having children. The economy sucks, and **some** people are spending less on leisure. Cultural progressiveness/reactiveness and the education system are causing society to circle the drain, and those with money or time prefer private or home schooling.
If things continue trending negatively in the next 20 years, it's not unreasonable to predict that park staffing (automation) and attendance will be reduced.

>>2894416
Confirmed B mode. It was back to projection face the next day. People overestimate internet drama.

>>2894525
Anti-woke tards were making up atrocity propaganda rumors claiming that Disney employees made a party out of callously destroying the old animatronics with baseball bats and sledgehammers

>>2894625
If you look at global birth rates, it's not just the west. I think the big players like Disney and Universal will be the last to feel the impact, but smaller regional parks, especially parks geared towards children, are absolutely feeling it in places like Japan and Europe.

>>2894629
>people make fun of disney adults
>disney adults are the ones saving the parks because nobody is having kids anymore

>>2894630
Please Disney adults come save the regional park of my childhood. ;_;/

>>2894632
Which?

>>2894625
American birthrates are 1.6 which isn’t that low and immigrants bring their own children. This would matter more somewhere like South Korea.

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>>2894634
>This would matter more somewhere like South Korea.
But Lotte World!!?

>>2894635
That balloon ride looks absolutely wild for a "tame" ride. The gondolas have to descend to the loading dock, then raise up to complete the course.Just a very cumbersome looking contraption. I'm guessing it's a one-of-a-kind model made by some Korean company. Wonder what the evac procedures are for that thing in the event of a fire lol

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>>2894640
>evac procedures
>asian ride

>>2894648
Katie becoming legal is the best thing that ever happened to /tpg/.

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>>2894514
It's because of shit like this and people using the pools. I took this pic near Basin at the GF last week and you see people like this loitering in the lobbies and restaurants. I can't prove they aren't guests but some of them are definitely just loitering to WFH at Disney. Also overheard a family in wet swimsuits with wet hair at Wilderness Lodge say they aren't staying there or at any Disney hotel. Then you have people brag about this shit on tiktok and what not.

>>2894563
To be fair, they're paying thousands anyways knowing that people are doing this shit. Maybe Disney should raise the prices of deluxe by $500 a night to compensate for revenue lost from people like me who resort hop, don't exploit it, and spend money

>>2894630
I saw mostly families last week. The few childless adults I saw looked like they were gay. Attendance was noticeably down and it wasn’t the heat (Florida was “cooler” than many northern states last week due to the heat wave those states had). Beaches and other touristy shit was packed. I’m sure a good chunk of it is Universal and Epic but they’re definitely pricing people out. Some people think that’s a good thing because you don’t get the riff raff but the riff raff was already priced out long ago. They had a lot of popular dining options available and they have several ticket “deals” going on. But the people who can afford it do have kids. That’s not the demographic choosing to be childless.

>>2894678
I would bet some money that a lot of these egregious examples people post of unsightly guest behavior is not actually from non-paying.
In other words, people unironically believe that stuff like this and wait times at resort restaurants will go away once Disney bans all the poors. Like, lmao buddy good luck to you.

Is it not made clear enough at Disney world of all places that money doesn't mean manners?

>>2894686
imagine simping this hard for a literal 5/10

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>>2894514
>>2894678
There have been a lot of complaints about hotel guests having to wait more than an hour to get on a bus to the parks in the mornings. Lots of people were abusing the resort bus lines to get free parking while going to the parks. This made a problem of much larger crowds waiting at Saratoga Springs, and Old Key West than normal.

Way too many people are doing the stupid scheme of parking in the Lime Garage of Disney Springs at 8am, taking a bus over to a resort, then taking a bus to a park and getting free parking. There was a similar problem at night with way too many guests on the busses after park closing and people were left waiting for 2nd and third round trips.

Lots of people spending $400-600 a night at the resorts were missing rope drop because the overly large crowds meant busses had to make multiple trips in the morning.

>>2894678
Half the time these people are locals making their Disney Hacks or Gift Shop updates videos.

>>2894694
disney springs could probably charge for parking just like the parks. AP doesn't have to pay. only people really affected are out of staters who don't stay on property.

>>2894693
>5/10
Which is a 9.5/10 in the coaster world.

>>2894695
Hmmm. It does look like a it might be a video editing timeline. Hard to say. She does kinda look like an Orlando theme park food reviewer from YouTube. It’s still annoying and ruins resort hopping for the rest of us.

>>2894698
I still think APs are the biggest abusers of the resort amenities. Especially locals. And this DS bus policy change doesn’t even affect them because they don’t have to pay for parking. There were definitely people trying to avoid paying for parking though. They’ll just learn to walk to Saratoga Springs and get direct buses to parks until they have to police that too. Easy fix for APs: force them all to pay for parking. Most probably don’t spend money when they visit the parks anyways, they pack sandwiches

>>2894712
>APs are the biggest abusers of the resort amenities
What is even your definition of abuse? Because some people are mad that APs order from resort restaurants which is just ridiculous and never something that Disney has banned or discouraged. If you mean stuff like using the pool for free then yes obviously, nobody is defending that. But I'm pretty sure all the pools have keycard entries by now.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the last part because APs get free parking already so they're not the ones congesting resort/Disney springs buses. Those are the penny pincher tiktok mom advice out of state budget families.

>>2894688
Dining won’t change because anybody can get in with a dining reservation. They could always make them exclusive to resort guests but most restaurants wouldn’t survive if they did that. I agree that even if they completely blocked non-guests this shit would still remain because resort hopping isn’t that common. Even if the Polynesian locked out all non-Polynesian guests the beach would still get crowded for fireworks, the hallway to the captain cooks and trader Sam’s would still be a bottleneck, trader Sam’s would still have a long wait because it’s the size of a shoebox. And Ohana would close down because they wouldn’t be able to survive on Polynesian guests alone.

>>2894694
>>2894698
How does Disney combat people abusing the free parking at Disney Springs? Personally I like going there just to look around and occasionally eat, but I wouldn't consider ever paying to park for what's a glorified mall. It's the reason I don't go to CityWalk and I'd just stop going to DS if that's what it came to. However, I don't really see a way around it. It's costing them real money having to run extra buses and deal with guest complaints. Could end up being one of those ticketing deals where you get 2-4 free hours and then the fees kick in. Something's coming though, they're not going to let more and more people cheat the system.

>>2894715
a cheap ass Florida resident disney AP is less than 30 dollars a month, if that is too much for you you shouldnt be going to eat out at DS regularly anyway. Charging people to park there makes more sense than permanently staffing extra security.
But I would have to be Disney and know the numbers. I would not assume that DS gets a lot of traffic from *non-passholder* locals. But maybe they do, I don't know.

>>2894713
The last part I was referring to APs again and not DS buses. Charge them for parking to discourage them from abusing resort amenities. By abuse I mean loitering and working on their computers as well as using the pools. Which are precisely what Disney put signs up for last week, that some lounge areas are for guests of the hotel and pools are far guests of the hotel. These signs are new. Yes some (but not all) pools have a card reader but you can just follow somebody in if they do which is why some pools also have wrist bands (most do not). I’m not referring to eating at restaurants and shopping at gift shops.

>>2894718
Then you've just flipped the problem on its head. In your scenario, now loitering passholders are parking at the ticket center and walking to Grand floridian to work on their blog and pig out in the lobby. You would have to just strip APs of free parking which is never happening.
The hotels just need to police their own territories at their own discretion. If someone is being a slob in the lobby, tap them on the shoulder and ask them what's up. If they don't have a stay or reservation kick them out. This should have already been a thing and half this dumb discourse wouldn't be happening.

>>2894716
I doubt they get much traffic from non-passholder locals or non-resort guests outside of people with dining reservations which is a permitted and legit reason to be there. Like I mentioned above, I think APs are the abusers. I’m sure people abused the DS buses and overcrowded resort buses to parks in the morning as well as the water taxis. But I saw signs saying things like “the pool is for exclusive use of x resort guests only” near the pool and “this area is for exclusive use of x resort guests only” at a lounge. Those I suspect are APs and locals especially considering that the woman in a swimsuits at Wilderness Lodge who admitted she wasn’t staying there also said she had an AP discount when buying a craft. Anecdotal, but it makes the most sense. Most guests aren’t going to be doing that.

>>2894720
>I think APs are the abusers. I’m sure people abused the DS buses and overcrowded resort buses to parks in the morning as well as the water taxis
Passholders have no reason to be doing this though. They park free at the front gates.

>>2894719
There are multiple problems here. The parking fee circumventors at DS are one but the people who the new signs are for is another. There might be some overlap but I doubt it. Disney would be collecting the data right now with this new policy but again the parking fee circumventors can currently just walk to Saratoga Springs and take direct buses there. This is a cheap demographic who have probably already figured this out. I don’t know why you think they won’t charge for parking for APs. Somebody mentioned that the few positions at DS needed to police the new policy cost a couple million in wages a year. Making APs pay for parking just makes sense to me because again I doubt most of them even spend money in the parks. They pack sandwiches, they go for partial days and leave, they use the pools at resorts without staying there. Etc. Just charge them all parking. Fuck ‘em. They’ll complaining but they will still pay

>>2894721
I know, this is two different demographics I mean. APs and parking circumventing non-APs. Sorry I wrote it confusing

>>2894722
>Making APs pay for parking just makes sense to me because again I doubt most of them even spend money in the parks.
That's just not remotely true. The frequent visitors are coming all the time because they want to try everything at Epcot food festivals and stuff like that. They're not just autists who go to ride cosmic rewind and immediately leave.

>Just charge them all parking. Fuck ‘em. They’ll complaining but they will still pay
Not if its anywhere near full price. At most Disney will increase pass prices but the point of an annual pass is to go whenever you want without a minimum obligatory buy-in. I don't have a problem blowing $40+ on food each time I'm there but if I have to pay to park each time I'm cancelling my pass.

>>2894728
Some of them are some of the time. Especially the ones with money like the ones who buy the expensive AP available to everybody. But the locals especially are more averse to spending money, they’re the ones with sandwiches and ask for water cups. Some of them really are there to ride cosmic rewind and leave…. to use the pool at the Wilderness Lodge.

Historically regional park season passes often excluded parking or made it a perk of higher tiers of passes. At the very least Disney should charge something for parking for the local APs. Even if you cancel yours, most won’t cancel. Or they’ll complain that they will cancel and won’t actually cancel. Anyways, I’m sure they’re collecting a lot of data about this and tossing it into Claude.

https://youtu.be/CvW2b_e-9Mg
Close-up footage of Carousel of Progress taken in 2022, pretty insane that such footage is around from so recently