ITT: Examples of "strong female characters" actually done right.
>>220663937The best strong female characters are the ones written explicitly to suck dick and eat shit.
>pigtailsdude...
>>220664461Those are called braids. Don’t call them pigtails because girls get mad when you do
>>220664444Huhuhu 6 7 bruh six seeeven
>>220664486Sloppa alert
The gold standard
>>220664486What about Captain Marvel. She was done right too. She was done right too, right?
>"Bruce, it's me. Barbara."Master detective my ass!
The big woman from GoT
>>220664476>She thinks I give af if a girl gets mad
>>220663937Bella Swan from twilight. *ducks*
>>220664571This And here's a newer one
>>220664571You posted the wrong picture anon
>>220663937Atia
>>220663937The epilogue completely undid the entire movie.(True Grit)
>>220664635this movie was dope as hell
>>220664772Yes. I concur.
The whole "strong female character" thing is just a stupid direction to consider a character anyway. A character being a "good example" or some shit doesn't have any real bearing on the quality of the movie or show or if the character itself is interesting. It's just something for people to bitch about endlessly
>>220664486Was she sliding initially? This looks so bad.
I do not care for Ellen Ripley.
Any mila movie
strength isn't something women should aspire to, compassion and serenity and emotional control are the things they need to work on
>>220663937
>>220664444Check'd
>>220664913Wrong fag
Liz from Lodge 49.
>>220664641She's not a good female character. She's a good character who happened to be a woman. Not the same.
>>220664878>A character being a "good example" or some shit doesn't have any real bearing on the quality of the movieYes. A great example was was Sicario. Emily Blunt character was the very opposite of a strong female character but movie was great, however when done right like Aliens it can elevate the entire movie.
>>220664913>compassion and serenity and emotional control are the things they need to work onThis *is* strength, ya dumb ape
>>220664978>good character who happened to be a womanNo. The fact her maternal instincts kicked-in to overdrive belie your words. A man would have considered the needs of the many first, inb4 the paternal instincts retort.
>>220664598complete the word: s_xo
>>220663937This character, and the entire arc of the movie, was ruined by the completely needless flash forward at the end.Whole movie is depicting her as this stubborn, ambitious, but impudent character, then in the climax she's humbled and in desperate need of rescue. The man she dismissed as a useless drunk hack moves mountains to save her life. It was the perfect arc.Then for no reason, they gotta depict her as a bossy old lady and make sure the audience knew she never had a spouse or family, just went on to spend her life copping attitude with strangers.
>>220665048>kicked-in to Why do I keep seeing retarded use of the hyphen all over 4chan? Is it mostly from esl anons or is the education system really getting that bad?It's "kicked into" - no hyphen necessary.
>>220664571she cant be savior of the world she cant even balance her checkbook!
>>220663937Kill bill is one of the best
>>220664772>scope on a shotgunI'm still laughing after all this time
>>220665138So no cogent argument. Gotcha.
>>220665062I think she lost at arm at the end. In those times, that could have been a factor of why it was hard for her to find a husband, money or not.
>>220664915Good example.>>220664641It just may very well be the best example.
>>220665048You still have that with a man, who, as you say, also have paternal instinct or can have them. The roles of Sara Connor or Eowyn can't work if you change them to be man.
>>220665240I'm not the anon you were responding to.
>>220665254>loyal one armed trad wifeI'd marry her. It's better than having a peg leg.
>>220665284I don't follow. What you wrote is confusing.
>>220663937hoky shit i thought it was the girl from twd and op was jokingi gotta get my eyes checked
>>220664617walda frey?
>puts her husbands career above her own>keeps her husband out of harms way and takes the risks herself>saves eddie knowing he doesn't trust her>GSOH
>>220665372Katelyn Nacon?
>>220665454nah the little girl, shane's daughter also with cowboy hat
>>220664641>The definitive example of strong female character
>>220665284>The roles of Sara Connor or Eowyn can't work if you change them to be man.Sara Conner can, because there was no actual need for the mate (in canon, Kyle Reese) to die for the character to work. Everything could have been a gender swap, the female from the future got knocked up and survived the encounter with Terminator, as well as the male version of Sara, and then perhaps died, stayed around, whatever. Sara Conner being female was not a requirement, since the story is about someone that is meek learning they have a greater purpose. Grace from Project Hail Mary is essentially a male version of the same character.
>>220664641This is the correct answer>>220664978In the first half of the film she perfectly embodied a bitchy female team lead in a workplace, the femininity is ingrained in her even if the lines could be said by a man.
>>220665570Brilliant summation.
>>220663937The thing is that strong female characters still require a certain kind of female vulnerability. All the best ones who resonate with audiences have this trait, but we're at a stage in discourse where people don't want to admit that there are distinctive differences between men and women, so women are just written to be identical to men. The only thing they'll get today resembling a uniquely female challenge is when a male character is chauvinistic towards them and they shut him up by proving him wrong.
>>220663937hailee deserved a better career
>>220665923THIS
>>220665923>failed actress>failed pop star>hurr durr she just needs a chance to prove herself!
>>220665923How's her music career? Does it rival Sabrina Carpenter. Taylor Swift, or Ariana Grande?
>>220665957>failed actressShe won an Oscar for True Grit
>>220665838Orville Ketchum!!!!!!
>>220664486are they even trying to make this look anywhere near real? nevermind
>>220665849>The thing is that strong female characters still require a certain kind of female vulnerability.The two most cited examples I have seen of the ideal strong female characters in modern cinema are Sara Conner and Helel Ripley. Of the two, Sara shows more vulnerability in their debut, but hardens up before the second movie. Ripley is more of a hardass in the debut (outside moments of panic in the latter half as things fall apart), but softens up and becomes more feminine (motherly to Newt, a budding romantic attraction between her and Hicks) in the second. Both push past fear to think on their feet and act to get things done (which is why they are considered "strong"), though Ripley has the advantage of already being a professional use to stressful, life threatenting work situations vs. Sara has more mundane experience. For strong female characters, it seems that they have to find strength by being exposed to situations outside of their control and persevering, while men are strong if they simply exhibit inherently male charactesitics. Females have to rise to the occasion, while men are just expected to endure the situation without breaking.
>>220666028Nope.
>>220665981oscars don't mean much if you can't make a career out of it.
>>220666109But not a failed actress.
>>220666161the post said she deserved better, so he's saying her career was underwhelming.
>>220665838lol he looks like my cousin Luis
>>220666197She desired a music career ahead of acting. That's a choice.
>>220665964no...
>>220666244and that didn't work out. She could've returned to acting but they said no, so she resorted to marrying a rich athlete. Many such cases
>>220663937She was good, and she didn't run from danger. Probably one of my top 50 favorite characters ever
>>220666334>she could've returned to acting but they said no,Post proof
>>220665342She sings about masterbating which is kino pilled. Seriously, she should make a film about it. I actually heard the song in something like Diary of A Whimpy Kid and I was like wtf? "Love Myself" is about shoving things up your pussy, kids should not be listening to it.
>>220666514blast from the past, but it checks out. However, it kind of fits the stereotype that Conner and Ripley (at least Aliens Ripley) fall into; they find their strength in the maternal instinct. They are strong because children require them to be strong, unborn or not.
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>>220666855With how the phrase under discussion is typically applied, Wedensday is probably more accurately labels as a female character that is strong. Her strength does not stem from being fermale (something she simply suppresses most of the time), but from pure strength of will. Its more masculine than feminine.
>>220666979Does she have any powers? Premonition right? See the future?
>>220667000I dont know their lore sufficiently, but from the new shows it does seem she have some power of premonition or visions. I know that the new show lore is that she is decended from witches. But I believe they are not under her control and happen only when prompted by certain situations (that seem related to the subject matter of the vision she has).
>>220665238What's the issue?
>>220667069It's not a laser scope.
>>220666979I just posted her because I like her.
>>220667016Sort of a good example, though I would place her into the same category as Wednesday; a female character who is strong. She is a professional soldier, and her "strength" is mostly a function of being a professional performing their role. Thus her sex is not a source of strength. That being said I remember jack all from SG-1.
my girl
>>220664461Are you a pig? Are pigs allowed in my school?
>>220667105>laser scopeA what? Why would somebody need a scope with a laser rangefinder for a shotgun?
>>220664910this will be an extremely unpopular opinion but i really like her in "the claim"
>>220667118Why does one's sex need to be a source of strength? What a retarded criteria you have. Sam being a highly competent professional + a woman is exactly why she's done well. It's all the "ah I'm a woman here me roar" shit that's so utterly distasteful, and you can only write so many stories about motherbear characters before wearing out the trope for a good while.
>>220663937>"strong female characters"but can they defeat prime Biel
>>220664444Look at this big guy
>>220664444
>>220664444shit, this is going to be endless
>>220668310Remember Endless Mike from Pete & Pete?
>>220664910sauz?
>>220665838Right has some serious volume in those panties.
>>220663937Any Barbara Stanwyck character, whether she's playing a good girl or bad, heroine or victim, etc. Some of my favorites among her many great performances: Baby Face, The Lady Eve (pic), Ball of Fire, Double Indemnity, There's Always Tomorrow, Remember the Night, Forty Guns, her early Capra films, even poorly written movies like Gambling Lady, Breakfast for Two, Mad Miss Manton are worthwhile because of her acting.
>>220669002I love big puffy vulvas. Luckily my wife has huge puffy meat wallet with even lips and no visible inner lips. Actually I think it has somehow grow bigger after two pregnancies.
>>220669393In this instance I think we're seeing gigantic bush.
>>220669423But her thighs look clean asf? Why would you shave super close to your vagina and not trim actual jungle?
>>220664444Quads of truth
>>220669780Thought of her as an example when I saw this thread.
>>220665048>aliensJames Cameron fan fiction.
>>220664571not really, its very tacky and feels like a parody of tough female characters. T1 sarah feels like a women going through a change and during the ending when she is pregnant, she doesnt feel like a man in a wig, whe is a women that has been through shit and grown past her girl and helpless stage. she knows what she wants and where to go. T2 sucks
>>220669780butch dyke
>>220670187only the shitty director's cut
>>220670228Keep crying contrarian
>>220670228NTABut, I have some experience.With women that don't take shit, I mean.
>>220663937They went over the top when they basically turned her into Solid Snake, but Carol from TWD had a really good arc going from a timid battered wife to a hardened survivor. She becomes one of the deadliest, most ruthless characters in Rick’s group which is not what you’d expect at all in the first couple seasons.
>>22066393795% of the characters you absolute retards posted are STRONG = ACTION/GUNS/SUPERPOWERS, as if that wasn't the mongoloid mentality behind the muh stronk girlboss
Karen as Gamora or whoever was a strong female character. She's from TX where the big girls play.
>>220668901Joan of ArcIt has the """twist""" that Joan has been pushed into waging war by Satan who fed on her pride of thinking she's been chosen by God.
>>220663937 I liked the woman in that lady vengeance film by the oldboy director. She was well organized
>>220670312>NTA>But, I have some experience.>With women that don't take shit, I mean.Even the 5.5/10 would get hit on non stop.....like...we would met up for a drink after work.......half an hour later she would've been hit on about 10times.about two thirds is just guys trying to prove to other guys how cool they are.No single guy ever does this.
>>220664571Probably has STDs from the gang in Mexico.
>>220670525>Probably has STDs from the gang in Mexico.They're up to no fun anyways.
Drummer from The Expanse
>>220670844>Drummer from The Expanse...the long list of memorable female characters from "The Expanse.".
It's spring in this here hemisphere, things want to grow, I want to keep killls low.
>>220670890I'd beat the shit out of that old broad. She ain't strong. Might even toss her the D when I'm done kicking her.
That girl from 1883
>>220670865True enough, there are several that qualify, but Drummer really stood out to me
>>220671031
>>220665238Shotguns are not as inaccurate as video games portay them
>>220671049Sorr5y...I was distracted by...wtf
>>220670996>Little Whore on The Prairie I'm surprised her star didn't rise from Scream 7. She's still a nobody.
>>220671138>I'm surprised her star didn't rise from Scream 7She's just another cute face unfortunately
>>220671173I better shoot my shot then, when her standards are low. Her Instagram says she's in Santa Monica. Just a 3 hour drive. I'm gonna "bump" into her grocery cart and we'll fall in love.
Unironically. Didn't see the sequel though.
>>220671306That's a defeminized woman
>>220666339My kind of woman.
>>220664869Joey is relentlessly cute
>>220663937>ITT: Examples of "strong female characters" actually done right.
>>220670383Was it supposed to be satan or just her conscience coming out? While the production and the way it's shot was excellent, it's premise was total dog shit. >Literally is a girl who defeats and unstoppable english army>hurr that's just your imagination stupid gurl!
>>220671824>>220671824They even intentionally changed historical facts to fit their goal of portraying her as insane.Her sister wasn't murdered and raped. Her entire family left before the Burgundians arrived.She did not find a random sword in a field. She pointed to a spot UNDER THE FLOOR OF A CHURCH she has never been to and told the men to dig, and they found a pristine relic of a sword beneath.OTOH, they still leave hints in the movie she's genuine, like her recognizing the Dolphin among a crowd of noblemen.
>>220671360You clearly haven't seen The Devil Wears Prada. Her character is an absolute cunt.
>>220664444fpbp, checked, and /thread
>>220663937>ITT: Examples of "strong female characters" actually done rig-ACK
>>220664444>The best strong female characters are the ones written explicitly to suck dick and eat sh-ACK
>Crashing this clan.... WITH NO SURVIVORS!!!
>>220671572Yes
>>220670383It was actually a materialist psychological interpretation of Joan of Arc, cuck.
>>220672184Would and that woudn't count as gay
>>220664598>Bruce, it's me. Brapbra
>>220672027Only the first one.She basically became inhuman, completely absorbed in her own bubble devoid of human qualities.
>>220670374tf are you talking about she's scottish
>strong female character>they're just genderbent male charactersWhat did you people mean by this?
>>220673919She became a greenscreen capeshit face.Now she counts as american
>>220674082This. The examples in this thread are just women with guns or superpowers.Not saying some of them aren't also strong characters, but most people posting are as retarded as woketards making girlbosses
>>220671567I came to post this. Frances McDormand is great in everything she's in. Molly Solverson in S1 of Fargo is also a good choice.
>>220674082was wondering when someone was gonna say thatbegs the question, what does female strength look like, then what is a woman, then the whole thing grinds to a halt
>>220665838What movie?
>>220674151A good example would be the female co-protag in True Grit, with John Wayne, or Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holidays, or Miss Marple.
>>220669303She is an incredible actress. Orphaned at 4, bounce from foster home to foster home and a Ziegfeld girl at 16 just to survive.
>>220663937Shameik lost
>>220669303>Any Barbara Stanwyck characterYep, I subscribe this
>>220665450>he makes me laughIf I didn't have that, I would legitimately have nothing in this world.
>>220664444We dicksuckers and shiteaters in this biznatch
>>220666339Shockingly good, and she got the ending she FUCKING deserved. I loved Fargo.
The unironically best female character ever written might be Jackie Brown.
>>220672078>it's the complete cutWhy, anon?
>>220672163Most cathartic death scene in the history of cinema right here.
>>220675321Robert Forster lives rent free forever in my head after that film. Damn they deserved some happiness.
>>220664444Eyyyyy
>>220674312How would you define those characters? Like what key features make them strong women? With Ripley, for instance, at no point does she overpower or directly fight the xenomorph in Alien.
>>220665838>>220666889>is that a christian dad??? I'm going insaaaane!!!1
>>220664463Going back and watching this today is funny in how Raimi it is. Underrated fun western.
>>220669303Based and Babspilled.
>>220675474I agree that Ripley is a strong female character, but since part of her strength overlaps with a male archetype I think it's not the best example. She's (over)mentioned because she's a famous successful character, but I think it's better to use other examples to avoid confusion, especially among disingenuous ideologues.>Like what key features make them strong women?1 - Being a strongly written character that happens to be a woman (as in the writing must be strong, well made)2 - Her qualities must derive by female archetypes and not male archetypes. (it doesn't mean all overlaps are forbidden, but then it gets a little nebulous and really depend on execution at some point)Has to be noted that you cannot reduce these things to a checklist or a formula (another reason girlbosses fails as characters), and in the end it also depend on your critical thinking, since the same concept can have wildly different executions. "I can't precisely define porn, but I know it when I see it" is not a meme and doesn't make the definition nebulous one bit
>>220673358She’s a girl
>>220663937The problem with strong female characters is the same as the problem with strong male charactersIt requires masculine/feminine traits without being a parody of itselfMost 'strong' female characters have to learn into either male traits or else their 'female' traits are just naturally enhancing them to make them better than male charactersElle from Legally Blonde is a decent strong female - still keeps her feminine traits, doesn't need to 'be better than the men at male things' and doesn't sacrifice her whole image to 'beat the boys'The biggest misconception that 3rd/4th wave feminsts sell you is that a 'strong' woman isn't equal to a man, it's that feminine attributes should 'replace' male onesIE a woman who's a fashion designer can save the day by designing a special material that only she worked out using her fashion skills that no man ever could despite thousands upon thousands of men in the military trying to over a decade. This one woman is the strong woman characte rbecause she beat the boys and that is feminism according to 3rd and 4th waves dykes
>>220676512She wasn't in the show but I thought Panam from the game was a good example of a stronk action chick
>>220674640>>220675074>>220675570Great to see some fellow Stanwyck fans here. >>220675321I don't know about best ever written (especially in the source novel), but Pam Grier's performance as Jackie certainly belongs itt. >>220675419>Damn they deserved some happiness.True, but at the same time that film has one of my favorite bittersweet endings.
>>220676594>(especially in the source novel)Fair enough. I dunno why, of all people, Tarantino ends up being able to write somewhat normal female characters, however. His weakest is probably the Bride.
>Lucille Bluth>Glenn Close in almost any role>Meryl Streep in almost any role>Kiera in PotC (usually)>Charlize in Aeon FluxIt really isn’t an issue of “strong” women so much as it’s trying to write a woman specifically to make a point instead of writing a character of exceptional drive or direction, who is a woman.>>220671892>Dauphin, for future reference
>>220676781the bride is great largely because Uma wrote her
>>220677139Its a good character but I wouldnt say its a specifically well written woman. Revenge killing is traditionally a patriarchal thing.
>>220664444https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOGzKCnNBF4
>>220677191the church scene the wedding rehearsal, her banter with oren, her banter with the black one, copperhead? hell her asking for a glass of water her entire thing with hatori hanzo, its very feminine, oh and her and the old pimp guy, its not the way you'd write a tough male character at all
>>220674165Sorority House Massacre IIand>>220666889Hard to Die2 different movies
>>220676594I had to go rewatch the end after this thread.>ACROOOOSSSS A HUUUNDRED AND TENTH STREET!>PIMPS TRYIN TO FIND A WOMAN WEAK!
Clarice Starling does it for me
>>220664461you like that sort of thing sick fuck?
>>220671892A shame. Joan of Arc's story was amazing historical narrative. Never trust Luc Benson.
>>220665570It doesn't have the same effect if Sarah ain't the one giving birth to John in T2. That's why she decided to not kill that guy.
>>220666069>Of the two, Sara shows more vulnerability in their debut, but hardens up before the second movieIn the movie, this is a flaw. She rejects her tenderness and motherhood to rather become a mentor for John. It's until the end when she realizes she's not a murderer but rather someone who creates life in her body that she goes back to her senses and to be John's mother.
>>220664463God no. I instanexted out of that when she came in the story
>>220664486>tall, skelly jewish woman>sees random little negress>winks at herWhy?
>>220679096Then how do you know it wasn't good?
Atomic blonde
>>220663937Mrs. Brisby from the secret of NIHM. She's weak, kinda dumb compared to the super rats, and a little cowardly, but goes through all sorts of things way out of her league to save her children.
>>220678236You are actually right. I guess I only saw her through the male lense of her honor killings.
>>220677620Holy fuck
>>220667016>"and just because my sexual organs are on the inside [...]"uh huh
>>220674090her sister was green, she's blue
>>220671567came here to post this
Jane Doe
>>220680878>stars in a movie where she cuts a guys balls offwhat's the freudian analysis of this?
>>220663937By far the most realistic strong female charcter>isn't particularly physically adept, but not a sloth either, more than capable of pulling her weight>retains her femininity (looks, dresses, and behaves like a girl, likes another boy her age, etc.)>isn't a genius by any means, but has above average deductive reasoning and is capable of learning and adapting quickly>isn't naturally inclined towards violence, but is capable of opportunistic violence when forced into a life-or-death situation>strength comes her loving nature, virtuous moral character, and intelligence (or being in touch with the best traits of femininity rather than attempting to deny or suppress them)>hornier than a bitch in the heat when around the boy she's in love withBasically any girl or woman could be like her, whereas the likes of Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley have an unnatural talent for violence that sets them apart from most other women.
>>220663937It turned out she was the one with True Grit
>>220672137This is an interesting choice. Not strong by particular competence or by confidence or assertiveness. But she has convictions that she sticks to.
>>220679317Complete 180 from her black and white character. Not sure why they did it, but she had fun character progression by the end. Still think they all should have died though, her included, like the original
>>220665572She was right to be bitchy. If they'd listened to her none of it would've happened. Dallas was the fuckup cowboy captain and Ash lept on his decision to override protocol and open the airlock. In an alternate reality Dallas wasn't a retard and Parker actually got his bonus.
>>220664444Holy
>>220679283Good call. Maureen O'Hara had great presence in The Quiet Man.
>>220664486RIP, Landmark Mall
>>220677620
>>220668229
>>220664444Shit status:EATEN
>>220664913>men should be emotional retards because women will do all the feelingStop being a lead poisoned boomer.
>>220682154I love this webm. I like the actress but for once, I'm not sexually attracted to her.
>>220663937not an incel but women are prettier when they ain't yappin' ngl
>>220663937Kind of an annoying character sometimes but other then that yeah
>>220664641Ripley was kind of an asshole in Alien. They she turned into a Mary Sue for the sequel.
>>220681007this count?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mRpHw-GswrI
>>220663937is that the 14 year old from true grit? she was completely unrealistic
>>220678666How big was this guy's basement, anyway? Has anyone ever mapped it out?
>>220684810
It's easy to forget how badass Lois Lane is and always has been, because she melts like butter when it comes to Superman and needs saving so often. But the rest of the time she's a top reporter who doesn't afraid of anything, (and wasn't before Superman was there to save her). Yet she's still unashamedly a woman, using her feminine wiles in pursuit of a story, etc.Modern versions are feminist slopperized, but even in the 50's she was a respected professional who'd tell Clark Kent and Perry White to fuck off. Most telling is that Perry didn't hire her because she had a vagina, and gives zero fucks about it when it comes to the job. Watching a good version of his character just wrangling the crazy bitch is entertainment, but they obviously have a mutual professional respect:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJvvCSUsZIw
>>220664641Easy to forget Aliens is a four-for-one deal:RipleyVasquez, (in your face)Ferro, (badass enough to go for her pistol when shocked to discover aliens are real at close range).Dietrich, (dies early but still a space marine who displays knowledge/competence).
>>220664571The massive PTSD and the isolation of being the only person that knows the truth really sells it for me.
>>220664978The way she bonded with the kid exuded very feminine strength though
>>220666514Good answer
>>220679421Sounds like a female Bilbo Baggins but instead of longing for adventure its all for the kids
>>220681037Yeah
you disappoint me /tv/
>>220687657/tv/ pretends not to like Kill Bill
>>220687689It was okay
>>220664571Nah this is where the problem really began. Linda said that James wanted Sarah to shave her head completely, but Linda didn't want to got Sarah with a ponytail as a compromise.James Cameron is one of those Hollywood secret homosexuals you often hear about, in case the lack of feminine women in every single movie he ever made didn't make that obvious.
>>220687689kill bill sucked and never should have been stretched into 2 movies. if it came out today everyone would call it wokeslop
>>220663937Great example.
>>220666639Hgnnngh
>>220679283patrician taste
>>220684226wood
>>220663937"Strong female" implies the standard female is weak. Who wrote this?
>>220687657This one goes without saying.
>>220664444TRVTH NVKE
>>220672113G-d what a fucking CHAD
>>220685745The most recent Superman movie has her being pretty good, frankly
>>220688467Meh.
>>220665238>what are slugsretard
>>220682204too strong
>>220688196It's called acting. So it's a known variable that they are weak.
Princess Leia from OT.
>>220664463This was kino.It had everyone in there and was fun.
