Why?
>>220664445BECAUSE IT FUCKING SUCKS NOW
>>220664513>now
>>220664445I think there is overall a deeper issue with many old ips. Even the ones that still manage to have success still show a clear sign that they are held up almost entirely by the old and aging audience while attracting fewer new fans.
>>220664445you mean zorganagan and kiphlam aren't resonating with the kiddies?
Do not conflate the works of George Lucas with Disney.
The 90s was almost 40 fucking years ago. These type of things arent cool anymore and I wish soilinnials and gen x would quit trying to re-live their past
jewish feminism
Oh I don't know about that.
I'd like to say maybe people got smart and stopped liking this crap, but that's not the reason
>>220664445The movies are fucking shit. They're written by women and they're not just lame and unimaginative, they focus almost exclusively on girl characters. Girls are not cool. This applies to women when you're a man but even more intensely when you're a boy. No young boy wants to follow adventure stories focused on girls. They're not tough, they're not resourceful, they're not heroic and they're just not cool. Fuck that.
>>220664445Because they are still trying to cater to older audiences at the same time. I'm sure younger audiences see it as a franchise for boomers and there is nothing for them, which is mostly true.
>>220664445If only they had a perfect formula left by the guy who actually made the series or something.
>>220664924>Because they are still trying to cater to older audiences at the same timeI'm a 41 year old man who grew up loving Star Wars as a kid. I can assure you these movies are not trying to cater to me.
>>220664921they worshipped carrie fisher but no kid wants to see that cokehead grandma
>>220664958Just because they are bad at it doesn't mean they aren't.
>>220664977Leia worked because she was a spin on the damsel in distress. She was still ultimately feminine even if she had many qualities boys idealise in heroes. The women in nu Star Wars media act like men and it's just cringe.
>>220664445everything they made since disney bought it sucks and kids just dont care about boomer franchises all that muchthe internet doesn't really teach kids to value older stuff in the same way that television did which might actually be a good thing because a lot of these franchises just need to die
Get rid of baby yeed Abandon all extra canonical slopMake the protagonist 25 instead of 55Remove all references to EU shit or yidsney slopMake an entirely standalone story you can tell completely in 90 minutes precisely Accept the first several movies no matter how good will not break 500 millionAccept you have to earn audience trust back
>>220665021>Let's have Han completely regress as a character and end up a smuggler again and Luke became a pathetic, embittered failure that refuses to fight for his friends, does nothing, then dies>That's what the old audiences will want to see
>>220664445Because nothing in Star Wars anymore has any vision behind it. Everything they put out is the most uninteresting design by committee garbage and everyone's sick of it. Kids have better shit to do than deal with the sunk cost this franchise instills in uncs and boomers. They'll have their own sunk cost franchises in 10 years.
>>220665142>They'll have their own sunk cost franchises in 10 years.Like what?
>>220664795>I've never seen such a young man
Disney's whole contribution is >The heroes don't winWhich obviously is going to be rejected.
Because back in the 70s, Star Wars was not only impressive visually, but the story was somehow original for mass consumption. People were happy to be at awe at the characters, the ships, the story, the music, as cheesy as they were. Same with Jurassic Park. People were impressed by how realistic the dinosaurs were back in 1993, because it was all new and groundbreaking.Now, every kid can use AI to create their own story and, on top of it, their brains are fried by media content that only last 30 seconds because more of that is too confusing and demanding for them.Zoomers don't like most IPs because nothing impresses them anymore. They've seen it all and they're apathetic about everything. That's basically what it is.
>>220664445>Suck dick you must. Eat shit you will.
>>220665170You forgot the second line>also men bad and the force is female
>>220664445I’m sure the OT resonates just fine
>have a cool ending to mandalorian where luke skywalker shows up, saves the day then takes baby yoda as his apprentice>immediately backtrack because they want to milk the show some more instead of ending it at its logical conclusion or at least doing some kind of time skipdisney are actual fucking retards
>>220665204No, I excluded those because grievance politics are only to divide the goys.And it's not like Phasma fares better.
>>220664445>Buy franchise specifically because you identify a distinct lack of male-focused intellectual properties in your existing catalogue >Have all new media in franchise overseen, created, and written by women for womenBold strategy, Cotton.
>>220664958They're trying in the sense that they're just going>fuck what did people like about star wars?>uhhh throw the falcon and some x-wings and a lightsaber in it, good enoughI heard someone describe it as cargo cult filmmaking and they're spot on, these people don't actually know what made the movies or the franchise good, so they're just desperately slapping things together in a poor imitation of what they saw in the hope it'll magically generate an audience for them too.
>>220665056It certainly didn't help that the new movies dragged her out of retirement and turned her character into a grumpy old grandma who sounded like she ate cigarettes.
>>220665196>A Jedi uses the force only to suck dick.>Never to eat shit.
>>220664445Because "grogu" sounds like a term for a turd that won't flush.
>>220664445Too dorky for teens.Little kids either watch things because they think its grown up and cool, or because they are young enough their parents are still making their viewing choices for them.
>>220665374Appropriate for contemporary Star Wars.
>>220664445>Varietyopinion discarded
>>220665374>Because "grogu" sounds like a term for a turd that won't flush.Are you going to eat that or can I have a bite of your "grogu"?
>>220664924They're trying to cater to a nonexistent female audience like most fantasy/sci-fi IPs run by modern corporate retards that think their existing audience will just stick around forever while they pump out garbage.
>>220664445Because microplastics are turnin' dem kids into weenies. Also, who cares. I hate the media more and more every day.
>>220665157minecraft
>>220664445>Luke: young guy, rescued hot babe and kissed her a few times. OT was beloved by the kids who watched it>Anakin: young guy, rescued hot babe and they apparently had sex off screen. PT was beloved by the kids who watched it>Mandalorian and Grogu: 50 year old man protects little kid (boomer fantasy)Gee, I wonder why the new movies appeal to older gens instead of a new generation of kids
>>220665462Is that all they've got?
>>220665293it works to a certain extent, play tie fighter sound, wallet opens
>>220665486uh backrooms, skibidi toilet and tiktok arm dancing?
>>220665497How large is the market of manchildren that will buy any slop that has a Star Wars logo on it? The progressively-shrinking box office and seemingly on life-support merchandise market suggests it's a pretty small group.
>>220665505They really had it so much worse than we did. It's honestly not fair.
>>220665477Kids don't mind kid characters as long as they grow up. Look at Gohan from DBZ, everyone in the West loved that nigga and felt burnt when he got benched. Meanwhile it's been seven years since the mandalorian show started and baby yoda is still an annoying baby that can't talk or fight
>>220665437This, it's amazing how so many of them buy up an existing IP and act like the previous audience is entirely captive to it.>we've already got all these nerds buying our nerd shit>but there all men, meaning there's a huge untapped audience of women, we just need to make it gay and they'll flock to it!>what about the guys? pfft they'll still buy it, they love this nerd shitThen the guys pack up and leave because what they used to like turned to shit and the women go "eew nerd shit I'm not watching that".
>THE FORCE IS FEMALE YOU FUCKING NAZISNo idea why no one likes Star Wars anymore, it's a total mystery.
>>220665549but it worked for sportsball
>>220665518An overwhelming percentage of the manchildren who would have flocked to a new Star Wars movie or bought a bunch of action figures and toys have dropped the franchise like a stone. They've already burned through that audience since they showed they have no interest in making something that appeals to them.
>>220665564Did it? I barely follow that shit but all I know is that despite them pushing "[sport], but with ugly women!" constantly where I am, everyone still treats it like a lame joke.
>>220664445It just sucks fucking shit, man, it's blows. Maybe if they made good movies instead, who knows!
>>220664445>why don't kids find something from the 70s cool
As someone who grew up with the prequels, the secondary media (video games, Gennedy's Clone Wars, etc.) did most of the heavy lifting in getting me to like them. And those things worked because they were good and the setting was interesting even if the movies were deeply flawed.The setting of the sequels is not interesting and none of the EU stuff they've put out is any good.
>>220665673True, my friends and I played the shit out of the video games. That one Clone Wars game for Gamecube was fucking incredible for multiplayer, and of course the Bounty Hunter game was badass.
>>220664445the 7,8,9 films ruined the franchise. Solo Story was better than any of those films yet had hardly any viewers because everyone gave up on star wars after 8 or 9.
>>220665673For the movies to "work" they have to be seen as what they are, high camp. Every single line is cheesy and quotable, which is due to Lucas' autismo. They haven't even come close to replicating that so all we are left is glib fascimilies.Having said that the MAIN appeal of the OT is that it's basically WW2 in space. The aesthetics of the Empire in particular were the main interest there. The prequels lacked that as its core so it feels like just a constant stream of side-missions.Even the Clone Wars themselves were essentially offscreened since you see the start and the end of them.
>>220664953Wow. Only 8% for Maul?
>>220665673>The setting of the sequels is not interestingAgain, the sequels are all cargo cult shit. It's just "uhh put some x-wings and AT-ATs in it but file off the serial numbers and put them on Planet Gleepinon Prime".It's a handful of SW aesthetics mixed in with utterly soulless garbage.
>>220664445They're trying to hard, and not only does it reek of desperation, but it causes them to rely on cheap tricks gleaned through quantitative analysis of high grossing movies, which is guaranteed to make anything soulless.
>>220664445I hadn't heard of this shit until just now when I checked what was playing at my local theater this weekend. Even if I was a casual Star Wars fan, why would I watch this if I never saw all the mini series shit? I only know baby yoda from memes.
>>220664924>The Force is FemaleDid you somehow forget about that, retardo?
>>220665564lol. In my country AFL is the largest sports code and them running the women’s competition costs them a $50 million loss annually. It’s only a matter of time until they’re forced to scale it back or shut it down entirely. All female sports competitions are leeches subsisting off the revenue from male leagues.
>>220664445>eats a fillet steak>"yum!">vomits the steak onto a plate>"why don't younger generations want to eat this? i enjoyed it a lot!"
>>220665613I'm not the person you're replying.>Did it?Yeah... no. What is keeping sports alive is gambling and a small group of fanatics that consumes it 247.I remember a coach saying sports hit the ceiling years ago, and now people either live that or drop it completely. The rise of gym culture, hyrox, and calisthenics eroded the "sports as a healthy activity" meme.
>>220665727That struck me as bullshit. No way more people liked Jar Jar than Maul.
>>220665703I've been replaying the Rogue Squadron games on N64 and Gamecube lately and they hold up incredibly well. Just fun games that nail the setting, even the sound design is perfect. Thinking I'll break out my joystick and replay TIE Fighter or X-Wing next.Compare even that to the sequels. Literally the only thing they have in that universe is the Lego tie-in game, every other SW game that's come out since (the Jedi ones, the upcoming pod racing one, Battlefront, Squadrons) have had nothing to do with the sequels because there's nothing to them that you can pull from.
>>220665753Apparently the movie has nothing to do with the original series outside of Baby Yeed being there, but your reaction reinforces the point that after so many years of "you have to have watched [series, movie, etc] to understand what's happening in THIS [series, movie, etc]" it's understandable that audiences are just looking at it now and thinking it's too much of a hassle to bother.
>>220665665They do. It’s the new slop they don’t and that author is labeling it all as “Star Wars”. When everything post 1983 is completely different and trash. Kids still love OT
>>220665803Ah yeah Rogue Squadron was badass too, I played lots of games but I think the Clone Wars was the one my friends and I played the most, just because it had a lot of multiplayer modes. Pod Racer on N64 too, loved buying junkyard parts from Watto and having the little faggotron pit droids working on it. Like you say, it wasn't just about the movies, but the whole universe. The worldbuilding was cool.>every other SW game that's come out since (the Jedi ones, the upcoming pod racing one, Battlefront, Squadrons) have had nothing to do with the sequels because there's nothing to them that you can pull from.I can't imagine a kid getting really into a The Last Jedi video game, kek. I guess that's why they didn't even try.
>>220665549They know, modern economy is all about swindling the investor class. The investor class knows nothing about the real world, and spends their time eating gold-plated steaks and fucking child slaves. They've likely never even seen a movie in their life, and all they care about is tossing money at people who say they can make more money. If it's not true, who the fuck cares? their wealth is effectively so vast it's self-sustaining.
>>220665993>I can't imagine a kid getting really into a The Last Jedi video game, kek. I guess that's why they didn't even try.Even then, what would they even make the stages about?>escort mission to protect the incredibly slow and stupidly designed bombers>escape jail on casino planet>sneak aboard the bad guys' ship for something>shitty battle of hoth ripoff where you don't actually get to fight the AT-ATsThere's nothing to do, unless they're going to add a Monkey Island-style insult swordfight segment for Poe prank calling the First Order ship at the start. I'm amazed they managed to make even a Lego game from it.
>>220665726That is not the main appeal of the OT.
>>220665727Maybe this is just how I remember it but Maul wasn't really a big thing when the film first came out. He was definitely a cool villain but dead as far as anyone knew at that point. The focus was much more on Obi-Wan, who was a blank slate character at that point, and Qui-Gon. There just wasn't much to go on with Maul.
>>220666356Outside of the lightsaber fight at the end, he's barely in it. He's in a couple of shots with Palpatine, shows up on Tatooine, and then he just reappears for the final battle.I'm pretty sure he doesn't have more than two lines for the entire movie. His visual design is fucking great, but as a character he's basically just a prop. I think a lot of people were disappointed that he doesn't really do much.
>>220664445Because of the first trailer of The Force Awakens
>>220666356>>220666450People miss the obvious with these Palpatine henchmenMaul : obedient silent enforcer clad in black with a menacing presenceDooku : eloquent old fallen jedi with a chain clasp cape and fencing styleGrievous : wheezing cyborg that was rebuilt from a once proud warriorAll three combine to foreshadow Vader. That's why none of them had a more prominent role in the movies. They were not meant to steal the show (despite being interesting), just be thematic building blocks for Vader
>>220664445People in power don’t understand how much of an affront to nature their ideology of hatred towards masculinity is and how much of an affront to Western values their hatred of white people is. So they just keep churning out this complete shit and then going “why can’t people start learning to like the taste of shit???”
>resonategod I'm sick of passive reddit words infecting the world
>>220665993>outlanders, they come here, how do they find me, ugh... they come here... mess up my store, aigh....
>>220666495Huh. I kind of got the whole thing with Maul really just being Palpatine's enforcer but I didn't think to put all three of them together like that. Neat.
>>220666665
>>220666707POTTERY
>>220666677Fuck anon, I gotta play it again. Right now my head's full of THE INCOM T-65 X-WING IS THE FIGHTER THAT KILLED THE DEATH STAR
>>220666665Are you an idiot?
>there is a new star wars moviethis is literally the first time i've been made aware of it
>>220666832Hell anon, I went to the movies just the other week and I didn't even see the trailer for it.
>>220664445because instead of a phenomon it is now a product similar to McDonald's burger. It is inoffensive and very few people will go out their wy to consume one. They might, but only if there's nothing elese.
>>220665803>>220665673>>220665703For me it's..
>>220666973I never actually played this, but I might give it a shot. I know people talked it up as "the good episode one game (that isn't racer)" because the first Ep 1 game on PS1 was kind of shit.I remember playing the RotS game on PS2 where you could unlock a fighting game mode after you finished it, that was kind of neat.
>>220667014idk if you ever played the lego sw games but it's similar to that except not lego.
>>220664445They know why. They shot down actual professional Science Fiction writers who sent them many different iterative stories and they rejected every single one of them in favor of their own in-house girl brand rebranding and redesigning and it failed miserably.It was always doomed to fail and they have squandered all of the good will and success the last 40 years of cinema just so agitators activists can tell THEIR god awful story and have THEIR way with the thing you used to love.Its an IP that got co-opted by absolute incompetents.
>>220664529Big part of it is, that they all were creations of their time. Star Wars was something Lucas based on hiw own memrories of the stuff he watched when he was a kid mixed with the political turmoil of his youth. That's also why the prequel trilogy was so different, because it was done so much later after the original movie. He simply just wasn't in the same place anymor, so the prequels were a mix of other things.And now, with Disney owning the IP, Lucas is out the equation, so what is left is the corporate machine, that does what a corporate machine does best: it tries to figure out the most sellable angle, which is limp nostalgia baiting and even more sellable toys.
>>220664445Because Star Wars is fucking gay, it always was, and it took 3 generations of people to finally recognize this fact.
>>220666973>leap over group of unsuspecting opponents >force pull>land like a feather>wait for screaming opponents to come falling down around me the OG OP Jedi game. we had it made back then bros. where all my g_saberrealisticcombat motherfuckers at
>>220664513FPBPI have a 17 year old coworker who was complaining about this movie and saying the prequels are the only good Star Wars movies.
>>220666973When I was in 5th grade, this annoying faggot kid in my class who kept trying to be my friend asked my mom directly if he could come stay the night, and she said yes, later telling me I should try to make friends with him when I protested. I begrudgingly accepted it. She picked us both up from school and took us to the video store to pick out a game to rent. We picked this game, because we both liked Star Wars and it was multiplayer. When we got home, we ate pizza and watched tv, then I plugged in my PS1 and turned on the game, excited to play. This prick piece of shit fell asleep in less than 10 minutes, and he fell asleep ON MY BED instead of his sleeping bag. Fucking FAGGOT. But I ended up playing this by myself until midnight and loved it.
>>220664795 >If you continue with that behavior, I will be forced to squeeze your balls>You wouldn't want me to do that, would you? And make you cum?My god this woman is terrifying. I can't believe a disney employee would say such things.
>>220665549It really is crazy. For years these corporations touted: "you'll buy it anyway." And well. People didn't. And now the entire entertainment industry is panicking because their bluff got called.
>>220667052Lucas makes it work because he's autistic and all of his characters speak like children, they always say exactly what's on their mind and they have sincerity when they speak. Meanwhile the ST, including the spinoff material is very postmodern and steeped in smug postirony. Everyone is acting smug and like they're better than their lines or material they appear in. There's this slimy patina of "we're better than making this slop" that permeates everything about it. It's like they're constantly conveying to you that you shouldn't be watching stuff like that, that it's "embarrassing". For instance a typical moment is Holdo "grounding" Poe. For a second he got shit done but here's some postmenopausal she/them to tell him he can't enjoy himself and get stuff done anymore, let's sweep that aside and focus on some subversion of expectations instead.Almost everything about the Disney SW is like that. Constant chastising for daring to enjoy the source material.Mando went counter that initially, but they caught onto it quick and neutered the concept as well. Now every time he shows up there's some wet blanket character sassing and chastising him, telling him he's not all that. And if he wins it's because he got help from some approved character.
>>220664445>Why?
>>220664795Those fuck me eyes are unreal
>>220664445>Why??
>>220664445dunno, ask girls, the force is female now
>>220664795>/tv/ simped over this 4/10 midget sperg
>>220664445>Why???
>>220667458>>220667534The really infuriating thing is that she'll never for the rest of her life think she did anything wrong.She'll even be proud of the hatchet job she did.A franchise that pretty much prints money down the drain.
>>220667458>>220667534>>220667555Look at that shit eating grin
>>220667458>>220667534>>220667555>>220667558I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK LUCAS I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT
>>220664445Teens in America now are 80 IQ spics who don't like movies.
>>220665782This was before the Internet. People didn't know they were supposed to hate Jarjar yet.I'm not exaggerating btw that's just how these things work. Scrappy is another good example. People only hated him years afterwards because James Gunn hated him and pushed it as a thing that everyone always hated him.
As an adult the only era of Star Wars I still like and have any fondness towards is the pre-TCW prequel films and accompanying media. I like the OT from a memory standpoint but have no desire to revisit them in any real way. They've been milked to death by generations of faggoty purist dickriders on top of being milked by the sequel trilogy onwards. Their influence has been absolutely crippling for popular media as a whole and I'm sick to death of them. Force Awakens was made entirely to pander to that generation of fans and it sucked then, and it sucks now.
>>220667896I remember distinctly how people in my circle of friends reacted to TPM's release.Almost everyone was totally into the whole Jinn/Kenobi/Maul aspect of the movie with duel of the fates and so on. Also the pod racing was cool mostly due to the engine sounds.The rest was just met with bewilderment.The gungans, the silly droids, Anakin being a kid... everyone felt that Anakin should've been older in the first movie, which would also cut down on the overall bumbling around.But generally everyone was into the jedi angle of things, which was all new info at the time, the whole master/padawan stuff, the sith duo, etc..
>>220667953I'm in a similar boat but for me it's>OT movies are good, might rewatch once in a while>prequels are okay, same deal>90s-00s video games are always fun to replay>didn't mind the x-wing miniature game about a decade ago, got some of that shit in a box in the garageI couldn't give two shits about anything coming out now. TV shows and movies are all shit, I tried watching Andor because everyone told me it was great and I just got bored with it.Morbidly curious to see how big of a trainwreck the Starfighter movie will be next year, I can all but guarantee it won't have shit to do with actual space battles with how Disney works.
>>220668030On the back of this, I especially don't care about the Clone Wars CGI series. That entire thing was tainted when a friend and I watched the movie-length pilot or whatever it was and it was just Anakin and his annoying wisecracking orange jailbait sidekick going to fight Jabba the Hutt's gay cousin or some shit.Never watched a single episode past that and I have no intention to.
>>220664445Because it's fucking gay corporate slopshit now. They have no respect for the IP, no decent directors are interested with working with the fucking woke brigade at Disney. There are no ideas behind it, no passion. The Mandalorian Season 1 was a complete fluke accident, and once that accident occurred, all the corporate ghouls could think of was how to suck it dry of every last drop of blood and money, leaving behind a drained carcass.It's just creatively bankrupt ghoulishness. Say what you want about George Lucas, but he was a man who was passionate and wanted to make a fun movie he'd want to watch, not some annoying cunt in a suit bickering about market analytics and how to propagandize zoomers with a gay political message.
>>220664445If hadn't didn't put out 800+ spin offs and specials, maybe they would've cared more.
>>220664445Also, his name is Yeed and I don't give a FUCK what Disney says.
>>220665673I feel like Disney should've tried doubling down. Make games and shows that flesh out the sequels.Had Disney been in charge when people's opinions on the prequels were sour, you know they would've dropped it like a rock and only made OT content from then on. But Lucas didn't let reception get him down and had cartoons and tons of games made.The sequels have what, a couple EA games, two lego games (lego tfa is pretty underrated), and the world's most bland and low budget cartoon imaginable? Of course there isn't going to be any re-evaluating of the sequels, they've done fuck all with it.Maybe it won't work, but constantly ignoring the problem and just making a billion post RotJ shows ain't gonna help them move on.
>>220664953why the fuck does mr 8 percent have a series now and not jar jar with 12 (beating that bastard Obi)
>>220668449Because Jar Jar was a misunderstood character that is ultimately likable while Darth Maul is a faggot with a limited fan base and a bunch of lame cartoon fan fiction built around him.
>>220668449>>220668553Darth Jar Jar would've been so fucking kino, can't believe George backed down
>>220664953Reminder that fat sad old manbaby nerds like Mike Stoklasa were so pathetic they forced the narrative that everyone was a seething bitch like them were when TPM came out when it clearly wasn't true.
Jj abrams hating everything about the prequels and trying to remake a bastardized version of the OT was retarded.
>>220664445Almost all children's entertainment is made by and aimed at bitter lesbos now, it fucking sucks bruh.
>>220664445it's a complete mystery
>>220669009jews really can't help themselves can they
>>220664445>your cringe uncle is super into Star Wars>You don't want to be like him>You don't watch Star Warsit's not that hard.
>>220665268but why didn't the roasties show up?
>>220664445They have this really weird dynamic of trying to appease millennial/gen x deep into nostalgia, and kids, which are almost diametrically opposed markets. Making Yeed a gorillion dollar robot is the pinnacle of this confusion. Kids do not give one single shit about puppets. They have no nostalgia for the old puppet yoda, and they see the new one as tacky and lame, because it is tacky and lame. To top it off, the gen z prequel youth market is completely gone, that bridge is burned forever and it was burned near the acquisition. Already having a massive chip in their shoulder from the millennials and gen xers clowning on them for a decade, the then new owners doing everything in their power to distance themselves was a last straw.
>>220669009Damn that hutt is fucking SWOLE
>>220669236this anon knows what he's talking about
>>220668893why did they hire the kikel that made the shittiest star trek flick to manage the most valuable sci fi brand's new trilogy with absolutely no plan? They really thought star wars fans were such goyim they'd like anything as long as its STAR WARS
>>220669333They couldn't get a director since nobody wanted to be on the receiving end of wrath should it have been bad like Rian would eventually get, and Disney wanted to get their new money machine up and running fast.JJ himself even turned them down the first time they approached him.
>>220669357JJ was coming hot off revitalizing the Trek franchise with the younger audiences. He basically yassified Trek, which was at the time seen as a good thing. They paid him to do exactly the same with Star Wars, which he more or less did. TFA was too safe but it was a decent opening for more, which then failed spectacularly.Trek likewise quickly ran out of steam.JJ's trick is to treat these two franchises as amusement park rides. Things are happening fast, people are running around constantly, quick snappy exchanges between characters. Everything is "on the go". It's an easy trick to make it appear like interesting shit is going on, but once the "ride" is over you realize you were left with nothing. Nothing to expand on, nothing to discuss, nothing. It was all happening "in the moment". He's almost a master at this empty calorie directing. A pretense that stuff is going on of any consequence.In TFA the bad guys destroy the capital of the New Republic? What capital? Doesn't matter, some random system they introduced 5 seconds earlier and that will never really matter at all. Stuff just happens.
>>220664445Why is the headline written as if they didn’t drive the IP into the ground by releasing pure shit for 10 years?
>>220664513Now? Of the nine mainline movies only two of them are worth watching, but still not that great. Star Wars has always been shit.
>>220669236The puppet looks so ass whenever Grogu is doing those jumps
>>220667458what a face of nightmare omg
>>220664445They aren't telling stories in a similar way anymore because they use the old films as primary references. It'll be impossible to write something new and genuine this way
>>220664513Star Wars has always sucked.Oy Vey in space.
>>220665268Yet when you question these odd decisions they call you chud. Just like at my work where I wad branded "difficult' after pointing out marketing was fucking up everything for no reason.
>>220669796 Because journos are physically incapable of admitting “we backed a corpse and kept shocking it for a decade until it stopped twitching.” It’s always framed like some mysterious cultural shift or “toxic fandom” boogeyman instead of the obvious: they pumped out nostalgia bait, soft reboots, mid streaming slop, and called it a plan. You can’t drop a trilogy with no roadmap, crank out 12 hours of beige Disney+ filler a year, and then act shocked when normies tap out. They treated it like guaranteed capeshit money forever and forgot you actually have to make something people want to rewatch. Turns out “remember this?” isn’t a substitute for “this is good.”
Movies 8 and 9 ended any possibility to save the lore. It's a dead property like trying to make a sequel to Game of Thrones where Bran starts as king.
>>220670900There's always a possibility, however unlikely, they could turn things around starting with Ep X. But it would have to be a completely new cast with an amazing script that has ZERO reliance on nostalgia so anyone jumping on could have a good time.
>>220665374They should have called him Babbioda.
>>220664445New star wars is trash and zoomers cannot hold their attention to anything unless it’s dancing or making weird faces every 2 seconds like in tiktoks or eceleb youtube/twitch faggotry
To sustain a big franchise you need a core audience, people who live and breathe the lore, buy everything, talk about everything, etc. And they need to be genuine fans, not manufactured ones. It serves as free marketing and keeps your brand relevant, where the brand spreads through osmosis. Without those core audiences the entire thing falls apart.Disney thought they could have their cake and eat it to, that fans would eat up whatever garbage they put out, and were free to chase new audiences like women and gays without any thought into the long term effects. Well as it turns out, this doesn't work, your original audience fractures and drops off and you're left with fairweather fans who only care because it panders to their fleeting agenda. And once it becomes obvious to even the biggest brainlets that Star Wars is now lame, your new "fans" move onto the next fad.What you end up with is a very small, very grotesque group of shills that will literally eat up anything Disney puts out, who come to represent the brand and tank it even further. These shills are so utterly repulsive and disgusting that they serve as a warning to any potential new customers. There is now no turning back.
>>220664445Recent movies aren't a good entry point. I probably wouldn't have cared about Star Wars if not for seeing the prequels as a kid and my fuarking hero Darth Maul. For all those movies faults, they were the start of the story and you didn't need to see a bunch of other shit like the sequels and Mando to get all the references. Besides, anime has largely overtaken everything else for young people.
>>220664445It's a combination of the audience being dumber and the stories being absolute dogshit. The original trilogy was created in a time that no longer exists.
everything they've done is so bad they ruined it all retroactively. not even nu-trek did that.
>>220664445because glup shitto isn't it. i am not watching without him returning
God I hate Disney so fucking much they can't even get the good aliens right
>>220664513It's as shrimple as that, too many shit movies and series in a row so the younger audience never got invested in the franchise
>>220664513It's always been shit
>>220664445Because it's gay and female on the one hand. And on the other it's overly fixated on lore and pretentious. The two groups of people representing those views both oppose the casual young male audience.
>>220664953Who the fuck was voting for Anakin as their favourite character? I was 7 when It came out and I still hated him
All they had to do was make it cool. Why did they struggle to make a series about laser sword wielding warrior monks and massive space battles cool? They were so focused on subverting expectations that they purposefully made it uncool.
>>220664445The issue is that modern writing is lacking in both genuinity and an understanding of thematic elements that appeal to people on a basic level. This is an industry-wide problem at this point, and it’s a problem that’s incredibly difficult to fix because you have writers that are trained on irony and subversion, and they can’t deviate from their way of doing things without feeling like they’re making something cheesy. New Star Wars lacks any real thematic juice because the new characters don’t really develop much over the course of the trilogy or have any strong views on anything outside of empire bad rebels good, and 2 of the 3 older main characters they bring in have basically turned into nihilistic bums for no real reason. The stories are also weak and laced with quippy dialog to add a few layers of insulation to make sure that nobody takes it too seriously because it’s only Star Wars dude haha who cares bro please don’t criticize my work. Who would that ever really resonate with?
>>220664445>Old Star Wars:Hey kids! Want to see a fun space adventure with sci fi wizards?>New Star Wars:Hey kids! What to see us seethe eith thinly veiled strawmen of modern politics, unlikable girl bosses and shit writing?It's such a mystery why nobody sane likes this franchise anymore.
>>220667052I’ll say having seen this film. There wasn’t a ton of nostalgia baiting. Actually barely any. It’s a self contained story.
>>220672095Modern writing gets so much wrong it's hard to even find a worst point to critique. But characters lack motivations or make no sense, characters are unlikeable, they often defy archetypes, the pacing is always bad and storylines commonly have no satisfying payoff because they milk the series beyond the logical end and then abruptly close out every storyline in the last episodes of the last season
Star Wars wants to be a big serious franchise but has comedy incompetent fascists standing in for Trump supporters around every corner. Meanwhile the Republic is super competent and impossibly good and just onscreen, but the moment they're offscreen the Empire magically reappears and fucks them in the ass so there's another army of muh evil white men to kill next time.It fucking sucks ass, it's currently being driven out of spite and desperation instead of being the well written universe it clearly wishes it were. Star Trek has similar problems these days, but I think I like old Trek more than old Star Wars.
Andor was the only decent thing Disney has released in the 10+ years they've had this ip.
>>220672260Andor was embarrassed to be a Star Wars show.>O-okay... we can have a few stormtroopers I guess>Droids and aliens... eh... I guess maybe in the background here and there>Since we're trying to be "adult" I guess we can show a couple of normal people in the Empire who aren't all perpetual American seething at the old British empire... but that's ALL!>We'll keep everyone in the Empire being comically evil because modern politics, even though we claim we're trying for a more realistic and adult version this time!
>>220672254I've gotten the impression that the republic doesn't even really exist, it's just a larp like the UN that doesn't do anything outside of a few performative actions and give a few nepo hires jobs
>>220664445They saw the fat soiboy crying over starwars trailers
>>220664743SW is from the 70's, bro.
Kids are literally all addicted to Roblox and influencerslop, I'm just saying.Even if they would have been into SW, the idea of kids sitting down and watching a whole ass movie is a joke.
>>220666495>All three combine to foreshadow Vader.And like that, I'm forced to genuflect before gerogie boy... again.
>>220672374I've got no patience for modern media either and I'm a millennial, because the average quality is so low and you can't find reliable reviews anywhere, if you have as much as an establishing shot that takes to long hinting at bad pacing at the start of your series I'm likely to just drop it on the spot
>>220672315I agree with the lack of aliens but there are plenty of stormtroopers in Andor idk what you mean. Plenty of them in the end of season 1, and sprinkled throughout season 2. Also the Empire was always portrayed as comically evil even in the OT so I don't understand where you're coming from.
>>220664445Do an animated remake of New Hope
Somewhat off topic, is the disney, hulu, hbo max streaming bundle worth it? Don't feel like making a new thread to ask.
>>220665374Grogu is a horribly unmarketable name for a character that you're using as the primary motivator to get women and little kids interested, it's crazy. Yeed is a legitimately better name
>>220672510Reminder that hulu and disney+ have mostly the same content and will be rolled into one app globally by the end of the year
>>220672567>The Mandalorian and Sneed
>>220664445They´ll tell you this with a straight face while fully knowing they are not making SW at all. They just make whatever and call it SW but they should be aware that they are not making the same thing that Lucas was making right?
I aint watching it if Droopy McCool isn't in it
Gen X uncs getting upset kids dont like their childhood slop is like their own Boomer grandparents getting mad they didnt like flash gordon and steamboat willie. Star Wars is uncslop.
>>220672713Space fantasy with puppets?
Zoomers have shit taste in everything. They don't like the OT but scream "CHICKEN JOCKEY" and watch whatever dumb Mario movie comes to theaters.
>>220667182You should kill him.
>>220664445>Why?Nostalgia doesn't work on them.
>>220673300>flash gordon and steamboat willie.Not even a fraction of the popularity and money making that Star Wars did. A better use of media from that era would be The Wizard of Oz, and yes boomer grandparents showed their grandkids The Wizard of Oz and they loved it.
>>220664513Now?
>>220664445these series do not have onboarding for anyone younger than 20mando was fine at first, just expected you to kinda be aware of star wars but largely ignored the story, but now they expect you to have watched and learned over 30+ years of media just to get a mediocre story that barely rewards the viewer for doing the monumental taskdoesn't help 80% of star wars now is a shitty cartoon that is nothing at all like the movies and ruins every character that appears in them
>>220672510I tried watching the new king of the hill on disney plus and it had ads, so I've never watched anything on disney plus since.
>>220664445No sexy scantily clad exotic alien babes.No cool soldiers doing cool soldier shit.No cool battles and duels.Everything is about single dads, babysitting, manipulative cute puppets and found family gay shit.Lucas said many times that Star Wars is for 12 year old boys. It's basically shonen. Disney is actively against that. They are hell bent on making it as lame and gay as possible and they cater to the audiences that were never its target demographic. Because catering to boys with the things normal healthy boys would like is problematic.
>>220669009looks like a video game lol
Young people take their marching orders from tiktok. That's the answer. If "A New Hope" starting trending on tiktok, they would watch it. Just saying "it's good, you should watch it", means nothing to people under 21.
>>220668831I loved the Phantom Menace when it came out but I was 5 years old so I was kind of retarded.
>>220665727because he was a nothingburger character on par with Boba Fett
>>220669062Jesus
>>220667397Very good post and I would say this is also why most movies are shit nowadays. The writers cannot write characters that aren't just spoiled, 21st century coastal and trendy assholes. I tried watching Marty Supreme the other day. Movie takes place in 1953, yet everybody is talking and acting like 21st century zoomers on the internet.
>>220673594There’s been a concentrated push over the past 15 years to feminize media aimed at young boys. The media wants boys to become soft and obedient to women. But it’s so obnoxious that it’s having the opposite effect. Most Gen Z men hate women. They don’t need the approval of women, they won’t bend over backwards for women. And they seem to be fine with the loneliness that comes from that.
>>220664445Because they're not doing anything fucking new. We love the original flicks but you show a zoomer or a Gen Alpha them and they're going to get bored out of their mind. The franchise is still riding off the nostalgia of movies that came out when Ronald Reagan was still alive.A big universe full of lore and all they can do is keep bringing Darth Maul and Vader back to life.
>>220673873the fanbase are half to blame for this. thing about how they kept crying about no luke leia han reunion in the sequels. who the fuck wants to see those old ass bitches let alone kids lmao
>>220664445>endless nostalgia for old things eaten up by zoomies>new garbage versions of old things being rejected>it must be the old things fault
>>220664445Maybe is because is lame and gay, with lame and gay stories and lame and gay characters?
>>220664445>hey remember the mandalorians?? You had those toys when you were a kid and you loved them!>also here's a cute baby [popular character name] for our 27 to 45 old female viewers who will never ever stay pregnant but need an outlet for their maternal instinct. He's so smol and cute, like the baby you will never have but better!!Gee I wonder why young people just can't relate.
>>220665765Women’s hockey is the only one that makes any money while also not being tethered to the men’s league at all. The product is also good compared to most women’s sports leagues.
>>220673300I like Flash Gordon and Steamboat Willie.
>>220673300Actually, the more old ass grandpa shit I consume, the more I realise they had it good back then.I started with 80's movies, as everyone does. Then moved on to Sergio Leone Westerns and Kurosawa films. Started reading pulp fiction from the 30's and 40's, and books from the late 1800's.It's the best, in all honesty. I can't imagine the poverty of subsisting entirely on fiction made after the year 2000. You are literally marinating in estrogen, and ten levels of corporate fakery.
>>220669143Women only like certain properties when men do. By attempting to appeal to women you lose the men and if the men aren't interested then neither are the women.
>>220664445Gen Z seems to have grown out of movie franchises and that's a good thing. If Doomsday doesn't do well it'll be a paradigm shift.
>>220674329Women love Grogu because he doesn’t throw tantrums or wet the bed in the middle of the night. It’s the same reason men love Diana from Pragmata. All of the joy of parenthood without any of the work.
>>220664445girls never cared about star wars and boys no longer cares about it since disney turned it into a franchise for girls with every actual strong and competent character being female while male characters only exist to be rescued or beaten up by said girlbosses
>>220675088>Gen Z seems to have grown out of movie franchises and that's a good thingits more that they dont have the attention span to sit and watch films
>>220674387Is over women won, hockey was the last of the manly sports
Star Was has sucked since 1983. Later, the good parts of it were retroactively ruined and smeared with shit in1997. Then, 1999 happened, and it became a sad joke. The fact that it took this long for people to actually stop caring, actually, is kind of impressive.
>>220669446i thought TLJ was too fast paced, there’s a new existential threat every 10 minutes, it’s ADHD and exhausting and i just stopped caring
>>220664445Movies are a dying medium. Sorry if that hurts to hear.
>>220664529I'm curious about that, StarWas was the coolest thing when I was a kid and the movies were like 30 year old by that point, so why would an old 70s movies charm millenial kids back in thebday but fail to do the same with zooomer kids?
>>220664445Star Wars was cool when it came out.Modern Star Wars just isn't cool.Now that Project Hail Mary was a huge success I think the Goose Star Wars movie will do alright, even if it's mediocre.
>>220675468>Movies are a dying medium. They wouldn't be if contemporary movies weren't so shit. There's nothing inherently wrong with the medium.
>>220675468I remember back in the 90's when my third world country declared a cinema crisis due to old theaters closing and everything becoming hollywood slop, now hollywood slop is dying and anon will watch tik tok videos from my local underage aspiring actresses
>>220664445I mean they've deliberately made shitty movies since the prequels, why are they surprised?
>>220673725i don’t know what you expected from an overly jewish movie
>>220665157Five nights at Freddie’s I do get your point. Very little new IP has been made to target zoomers. Nostalgia only works if there is an original to exploit.
>>220664795Idk how to explain it But she's got that poor people phenotype
Zoomers have infinitely more entertainment options.
>>220664445There are other movies now. When star wars came out it was the first movie. Now there are other movies.
>>220673340No, SW has a very distinct identity. First of all it´s self aware of it´s own fable like nature. That´s why it starts with "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" and has those visible transitions, the stylized visual aesthetic and the over dramatic dialogues. Building a story and building a universe are fundamentally different things. For SW the story is king, it has a beginning a middle, an end and a lesson. It´s a from the book hero´s journey, a fable about family.What Disney is making is fundamentally different, they want to give entity to the universe and use it to tell all kind of stories that sometimes connect to each other. They want more complex and grey characters rather than archetypes and stuff like that. It´s a completely different concept even if it shares the lightsabers and space wizards. It also leads to completely different production schemes. SW is structured as self contained stories divided in 3 acts. You get one trilogy, you get another trilogy and that´s it. What Disney is doing however is not like that at all and that´s why people are not responding. The proof is that people actually showed some response to Mandalorian S01, when it seemed Disney had finally decided to kneel and try to make something resembling SW. And what did they do when people responded? They went ahead and integrated it to their narrative and their universe like structure. They couldn´t just let it end with Mando handing over the kid and riding into the sunset, no, they needed to undo that to keep milking the thing. I tell you they are fucking morons.
Episode 7 and 8 came out a full decade ago, some kid who was 8 when it first came out is now 18 they have seen mostly stuff set around the prequels or in between 3 and 4 or just after 6 So even if the kid did like the sequels they have gotten nothing in that time frame and this is also assuming they even seen any of those shows on streaming sites since kids just don't watch broadcast tv. Disney have spent that whole decade going after older people late 20s to 40s with their "adult" shows and all but forgot about cultivating younger audiences even with shows like the bad batch it is aimed at 20 year olds who watched the clone wars cartoon and maybe watched enough of rebels.And then the big elephant in the room is exactly like some Anon here have said that the movies themselves are not that interesting and the video games released are either lego collectathons or some dark souls rip off. I do not know how the comic stuff is doing but it is probably irrelevant to this since kids don't read western comics
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>>220669895There are 10 mainline movies and 4 of them are good, the original trilogy and the clone wars movieI've never actually seen the prequels or the sequels
>>220672315>I guess maybe in the background here and thereSo just like in Original Trilogy?>>Since we're trying to be "adult" I guess we can show a couple of normal people in the Empire who aren't all perpetual American seething at the old British empire... but that's ALL!Retard>>We'll keep everyone in the Empire being comically evil Like..?>because modern politics, even though we claim we're trying for a more realistic and adult version this time!Retard x2
>>220673300To be fair it's a bit different
>>220673594/thread
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>>220676384Not in defense of Disne, but>of it´s own fable like natureExcept when times comes to sell official suppliment materials with shitton of illustrated technical readouts, right SWT?>For SW the story is king,>I couldn't kill Han Solo, because dead han Solo doesn't sell merchandise>We need to ventrue into Teddy Bear market, so let's change Kashyyk to Endor and wookies with ewoks>They went aheadBut they didn't. People responded to TCW-like fillers, so they made logical next step and introduced shitton of TCW cameos in second season
>>220664445Yeah its definitely that and because everything made with the Star Wars name on it has been dogshit since 2015.
>>220664513star wars was a shit series carried by new special effects technology. Now that it has nothing over any other series as far as special effects it has no draw and the stories, themes and wokeism doesn't help.
>>220668831Rent free
Lucas star wars is actually relatively compact. There's not a whole lot of fat on those movies and it's more than happy to leave things unexplored or unexplained if it doesn't actually impact things. It'll have a throwaway line or location for worldbuilding and leave it be. Why is Obi-Wan is friends with a 4 armed obese fry cook who seems to be extremely knowledgeable about assassination weapons and their origins? It doesn't actually matter, so it's left untold. Almost everything here serves to tell the tragedy and heroes journey of the Skywalker family. Disney star wars is the opposite and really wants to explain things. It's fucking annoying once you notice it. Do I care about how the rebels got the death star plans? No. Do I care about how Han got his ship? No to that too. Do I care that boba fett and darth maul lived? Fucking no. People gave Lucas a ton of shit for "explaining away" the force with Midichlorians, even though that's not actually what happens in the film. But that's what disney is doing with almost every installment to one thing or another and the audiences are responding, even if they don't pinpoint it as a cause.
But lefties told me the sequels would be a hit with the kids just like the prequels were with Gen z, and that all the haters were just chuds. I guess they were wrong, like we all knew they were, and have said for the last decade
>>220678521>made a billie in 2002pretty crazy, that’s like $1.6b today
>>220664445Maybe it's because they made it lame and gay
>>220673674You mean one of the most popular characters in the IP?
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