What’s one thing battinson gets right?
>>220695077he's not wearing hockey pads
>>220695077It was so boring normies didn't watch it so we don't have to talk about it. Big win.
>>220695077Brains not Brawn.
the batmobile was kewl
not muchit's just a shitter version of BB in almost all respects
>>220695077Doesn't speak much. Tries to say something when he does. An outsider. Waiting. Hasn't made up his mind. Like if he does his parents are dead.Has backups for backups for backups etc. Expects things to always go wrong as much as they possibly can.
>>220695253My god Batman Begins was just as equally boring if not more so, it’s insane that so many midwits still suck off Nolan and would willingly eat his shit
>>220695077I don't remember, I know there was a protracted car chase but it wasn't too interestingand some kind of plot thread about boots?
>>220695077I guess the general atmosphere was pretty good.
The second hottest catwoman
>>220695396what a lode of coap
>>220695396You are a zoomer who has ADHD 0 attention span brain rotYou cant even sit through any movie without checking or phone or some shit, your entire generation is also mentally lobotomised from porn and short form media "content"
>>220695654t. Calls Ellen, Elliot, has already pre purchased the odyssey ticket for imax. Thinks Nolan is high art
>>220695396Batman Begins and the Tim Burton movies are the only great Batman movies.
>>220695077What it did right: Getting degraded by a feisty latinaWhat it got wrong: She was speaking in english
>>220695654hellen of troy is white.
I kind of wish mat Damon could have played Batman so I could say bat Damon
>>220695077Probably the best depiction of Gotham City in any audiovisual medium. I also liked how he fought. A new Batman would be less finesse, more brutality.
>>220695250The most low t Batmobile in franchise history. Yes including the 1966 TV show
>>220695077Hes not wearing hockey pants
Something in theee wayyy...she moves, attracts me like no other loverrr
>>220697059Yah a suped up DIY kit bash challenger is way lower T than Bale’s prepackaged milsurp slop
>>220695077He's clearly messed up mentally, lowkey suicidal and emotionally/socially stunted but he gets better at the end of the movie. Alfred hates what he does but humors him because what else is he going to do other than quitting his job and leaving which he won't. Eventually he begrudgingly admits Batman is doing good things for Gotham. Compare to Michael Caine who was on board with the idea of the caped crusade and all too happy to help from the start. I love Caine as Alfred but that part always felt iffy to me.He doesn't know how to act around victims in the beginning and rightfully gets called out for it until he learns. During the mayor's funeral, when he realizes Riddler is hiding in the crowd his first instinct is to shield the little boy with his body. Comics Batman keeps candy in his utility belt to calm down scared children and this soft side of him has never really been adapted in film.He gives realistic reactions to seeing fucked up shit every night. When he and Selina find Annika's body in the trunk he's visibly disturbed.He holds back around female villains. When he finds Selina stealing from the mayor's safe he thinks she killed the guy for hurting her friend, but even when she's a murder suspect in his eyes he never even throws a punch at her. He just kinda dodges her attacks and tries to restrain her non-violently. Sexist? Probably but in line with the comics.
>>220697360What are you even trying to say? A civilian roadster is not going to higher T than a military vehicle that can jump over obstacles and fire missiles. What you're really attracted to is the way the chase scene was filmed.
>>220697435What’s more masculine>I bought this car with daddy’s money>I built this car from scratch in my garage The tumbler is a cooler action figure set piece, but it isn’t interesting in the context of the story. A lot of Bale’s Batman was just “buy me/design me this thing black guy”. I don’t even disagree that the gadgetry in the tumbler is great, but saying Pattinsons Batmobile is low T is patently absurd
>>220695077Making him emo, justified the mascara
>>220697516I'm not the one who called it low T, I'm saying the tumbler isn't slop, it's classically Batman. Crying about whether he built it or bought it is asinine since that was never a trait attributed to Batman. He has always used money to acquire what he has and relies on experts to take certain things further and his own ingenuity to do the rest. It sounds like you want it to be like the F&F franchise. That scene in TDKR where he bought the telecomms company then repurposed their shit into surveillance equipment? That's real Batman. No one cares how much time he spent working on his car when he can just hire a mechanic.
>>220697665Oh then yeah I agree. I was just shitting on that anon for saying it was low T. I think pattinsons car is great as a stand-alone but also as Batman Y1 thing. I have 0 issue with Bale buying and repurposing stuff, and he also designed a few of his other gadgets iirc. I need to go actually look at all the /tv/ batmobiles and rank them soon.
easily the best batsuit from any batman film.
>>220697665Nta but Batman likes to do his own car maintenance himself because he's paranoid and a control freak. He needs to check five times every night that the batmobile's brakes haven't been sabotaged before he goes on patrol or he goes insane.
he's hot
>>220697825I like that the cowl is flat on the forehead and gives him a more neutral/deadpan look. The cowls with sculpted frowns to make him look more angry feel too tryhard.
>>220697401Based post. Pattinson’s Batman is the most fleshed out live-action version of the character yet.
Frankly, the worst version of Batman so far. Only sanitized by people who want to feel smart
>>220695094>>220695077>what's the difference between me and you?>I'm not wearing Hockey pants
It’s very mid. Its Gotham was better than Nolan’s Gotham, but its Catwoman is the worst ever. Anne Hathaway is the hottest Catwoman, but Michelle Pfeiffer was the best Catwoman overall. Battinson has the best Batsuit. Most iconic Batsuit is Burton/Keaton or the gay 1960s suit. Ugliest Batsuits are from the Nolan movies. Most aesthetic suits are from the garbage 90s movies. Best Joker was Jack Nicholson. In fact the best Batman villain portrayals all appeared in Burton’s movies. Colin Farrell’s Penguin is good. Battinson’s Riddler was better than Jim Carrey’s, but both are terrible. The best Batman movies are Batman 89 and Batman Returns. What this ends up meaning is that Battinson is the best 21st century Batman, even if mid. Nolan’s films suck. Shumacher gave us the first Batgirl since Yvonne Craig, which is based. Alicia Silverstone looked hot as fuck and the had a killer ass.That is all.
>>220695077He's in the suit being Batman for most of the movie, so we don't spend a ton of time with Bruce Wayne. His fight scenes (though not all of them) are more brutal and don't feel precisely choreographed as Bale's and Affleck's were. "This is not a dance" actually applies here in a way it didn't before
He's autistic. If Bruce's parents never died he'd have a room full of Gundam model kits.
>>220698142I forgot to mention Batfleck. Ben’s Bruce Wayne felt like Wal-Mart Christian Bale. The suit is above average, and would rank closely with Battinson’s, but Affleck’s Batman is pretty one dimensional. He did have the most handsome Alfred though.
>>220698231Affleck could have given a fantastic performance as an older Dark Knight Returns type Batman is the script wasn't shit and he didn't hate every second he spent on set.
>>220697879Batman has had a mechanic in the comics and in TAS. Whatever paranoia there is pertaining to him looking over his car comes from specific writers I think.
>>220697401>>220698060Keaton's Batman did those things but better. Pattison did a fine job of it and it makes sense for his world because it's only year 2 for him.
>>220698231I agree with you. Burton's Batman remains the most iconic in film. This Batman is a copy of David Fincher's films held together by a terrible script which nobody would care about if it didn't have Batman in it.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7h8stPIngBo&pp=ygUOQmF0bWFuIHJldHVybnM%3D
>>220698322>specific writersYes the ones that understand Batman best. It makes sense for Bruce to be a total control freak and it's been a point of contention with the Justice League for ages.
>>220698320Ben Affleck is also a certified director, and his Batman movie could have been great.
>>220695077Great to have money but doesn't fix the loneliness and trauma, Numbness or detachment from the work that needs to be done as batman is very rich man approach to the problem, kurt cobain related it seems. Moody but i like it
>>220698142>The best Batman movies are Batman 89 and Batman Returns.I agree with most of what you said but I disagree on Returns being one of the best movies. It has some of the best performances (Catwoman and Penguin) but as a movie it was a letdown in the second half.>>220698351I get where you're coming from and it works for some movies/stories but it can become a bottleneck when his time is needed for higher level activities. Better for him to have a scanner than checks his car whenever his enters the batcave than to have him up half the night looking it over manually. But for a year one, year two Bats, sure I'm fine with it.
The only thing i didn’t really like about The Batman is the fact that Batman was almost murdered, full stop, by a shotgun to the face because a brutally forced scenario where Catwoman saves his life completely. He is totally indebted to her from that point on. Why the fuck would Batman be that careless? Oh I guess I’m dead now.
>>220699184It's sort of a rule in storytelling. Once the badass hero gets a sidekick they feel the need to show off the sidekick's prowess by making the hero seem inept
>>220699233It comes off as deeply insulting to the character and the viewer. For what other reason would Batman continue clinging to the catwalk while watching a goon reload a double barrel shotgun, if not for having a telepathic connection to Catwoman? “she’ll be here any minute now.”If he didn’t have any other tricks up his sleeve, he almost certainly would’ve just let go and risk uncertain death compared to the certain death of getting his face caved in by a shotty. It’s just so goddamn dumb to watch.
>>220699184Oh yes he's so indebted to her that in the end she fucks off to another city without further discussion and never asks anything of him. Canonically Catwoman is too proud to ask Bruce for money or favors and if he offered she'd feel insulted. Guess he can "repay" her by looking the other way when she goes back to stealing but he was going to do that anyway because he's a simp.
>>220699388So not only did she save his life, she made it seem totally impersonal and nonchalantly checked out, leaving him to remember how an 100lb girl saved his life in a situation that was almost telegraphed from the start. He’ll be writing about the night he got carried and mogged by a femcel who then ghosted him for the rest of his miserable life.
>>220699535he saved her first
>>220699535He doesn't seem too bothered by it at the end of the movie, and he's probably forgotten about it by the next scene when he's back to the grind of saving flood victims from ruins and monologuing about the state of Gotham. Sounds like you're projecting your own insecurities. In the comics Batman gets curbstomped by Wonder Woman, Lady Shiva, Talia Al Ghul, and Cassandra Cain, and his reaction is "huh, need to train harder" and then back to work.
>>220695077He was a better batman than I'd have thought but a pretty terrible bruce wane
>>220699852The charming playboy Bruce Wayne isn't real, it's a facade he puts on for rich snobs and the media, and at this point he doesn't need to use it yet because he doesn't go outside. The real Bruce Wayne is is quiet gloomy and a bit self hating which the movie nailed.
>>220695077OCD, Mental illness, shut in. None of that flamboyant rich playboy facade company frontman face and family name shit publicity. Eiat I already forgot this movie, didn't Wayne estate already go down and he's like a failure or something to the public's eye?
>>220695396Batman Begins is the only good one out of Nolan's shit trilogy.
>>220698174He'd be posting on /mu/ all day arguing about the differences between ethereal post-punk and 90's post-industrial darkwave
>>220698343Keaton is meant to be way older than Pattinson, so it makes sense he has more things figured out.
>>220700408TDK is better and still the best Batman movie of all time.
>>220698343Keaton was too nonchalant about the events in his movies, and his car was equipped with guns to shoot criminals when Batman has a PTSD induced aversion to firearms ffs. He was given surface level direction because Burton had never read a comic book in his life and only had second hand knowledge of the source material.
>>220700451I'm saying Keaton's was a sperg but acted out the sperg parts better than Pattison's. I wasn't saying he's not a sperg. >>220700530>Keaton was too nonchalant about the events in his moviesNot sure what you mean by this by I was referring to his personality around normies mostly.
>>220700492What didn't you like about TDK? Personally I thought that Batman hanging up the cape was stupid and out of character but Joker's portrayal and Harvey's arc were well executed.
>>220700771I like TDK. I said it's the best Batman movie of all time. What do you mean? >Personally I thought that Batman hanging up the cape.Batman doesn't hang up the cape at the end of TDK.
>>220700811Sorry >>220700771 meant for >>220700408
>>220699852He's an awful both. His Batman is incompetent and gets constantly shit on and is associated with fucking terrorists just for being white. His Bruce Wayne is pathetic>>220700296The real Bruce Wayne is gloomy but not in the fucking movie sense. He isn't crying with mascara like a faggot or barely talking to others, he hides his pain.Also the REAL Bruce Wayne did shit to actually avenge his parents and fix Gotham. This faggot spent half his life drag racing and then became Batman for no reason and he barely changed Gotham.
>>220700928The funniest thing about Battinson is that his entire arc is learning that the Gotham authorities are in collusion with the mafia. Something all Batmen knew on day 1. He fought criminals for 2 years and never wondered "who's supplying the drugs?" or "Why are the police so ineffective against the mafia?".
>>220695077Nothing thats why these threads get no replies and wooditards have to necro bump it
>>220695077Well in the last 5 minutes of the movie, they actually filmed a scene that was properly lit, because it was daylight or dawn and that forces the audience to be able to see the damn movie for the first and last time.
>>220698320Well Ben is raging alcoholic so he hates every second being sober
>>220700988Literally all other Batmen do way better. Year One Batman scares the Gotham elite into being slowly dismantled and takes down the Joker, then in Long Halloween stops Holiday and deals with the side effects of the collapsing Falcone and Maroni empires. Burton batman in his first film stops the Joker from killing the whole city. Batman Begins Batman stops Ra's Al Ghul from burning Gotham to the ground. Arkham Origins Batman stops the Joker, six assassins and starts the process of curing Gotham's inherent corruption, all in one night (then in New Years Eve he deals with Freeze and Penguin again)Battinson does jack shit. He fails to stop the mobsters. He fails to stop the Riddler despite having all the clues (the Riddler gives himself up). He barely manages to stop the stadium from being flooded, but the rest of Gotham is completely taken by the water. He fails to establish himself as a threat at all, being seen by criminals as either a joke or an inspiration. Reeves got too carried on copying Fincher films and literally just did Se7en, where the detectives fail at literally everything. The difference is Se7en actually was trying to make a point whereas this is just slop that ruins Batman.Battinson has no honorable backstory, no achievements, nothing. He's the most pathetic Batman (not counting ones that don't even try like the Suicide Squad game one)
>>220700928Why do you retards pretend Keaton and Bale didn't wear black makeup under the mask? You can literally see black paint on the skin that's not completely covered by the eyeholes. Reeves is just the first director to own up to it. And he's not "crying with mascara", makeup runs when you sweat and wearing that cowl for hours makes you sweat like a pig.>spent half his life drag racingYou mean traveling the world for years learning martial arts and training with Ras Al Ghul?>became Batman for no reasonThe Batman just doesn't repeat Bruce's thought process until he comes up with the bat symbol because Batman Begins already did that. This is year two Batman, everyone and his grandma already knows why he became Batman, let's move on please.>he barely changed GothamHe's been Batman for TWO YEARS. No shit there's no noticeable change yet. He's made progress in that the police tolerate his presence and are willing to work with him which is a fucking miracle in a city as corrupt as Gotham. Do you think comics Bruce started building hospitals and funding charities just two years after coming back?
>>220701138Joker is already locked up in Arkham in The Batman, he apppears in a deleted scene. It's implied Battinson has already sent a bunch of villains behind bars before the events of the movie. And knowing the mafia has ties to the police and gathering evidence to prove it are two different things, of course he knows the police are corrupt but he can't just beat up corrupt judges and drag them to Blackgate himself without evidence.
>>220695396BB had to clean the slate after Batman & Robin, it was a massive "please give us one more chance". Some franchises could learn from that, like Disneywars.
>>220695077It’s young Batman so it’s pretty accurate. He’s all fucked up mentally. 6’4 225 so right size. The armor is right it’s nickel titanium stuff. The car is pretty accurate. How he fights is as well. The grappling gun is still awkward as hell. The car could be hidden pretty easy you’d just think it’s a muscle car if he hid stuff. They hinted Alfred former sas trained him to fight and his other skills so it works it’s a mixture of sas, swat team stuff
>>220695077>Gotham and visual tone is great>him doing detective stuff is cool>music is good>new penguin is great (show not as much)
>>220702052The Penguin was one of the greatest tv shows of the decade
This was the gayest batsuit since like the 1960s
>>220701424>Why do you retards pretend Keaton and Bale didn't wear black makeup under the mask? Keaton and Bale didn't wear black mascara AS BRUCE WAYNE, which Battinson does repeatedly, in front of the fucking police no less.>You mean traveling the world for years learning martial arts and training with Ras Al Ghul?It's hilarous how you defenders are clueless. The prequel novel shows that Battinson's previous life is as a drag racer. This version of Batman does not go around the world training. And Ra's doesn't exist in this universe. Read the fucking novel before bitching>The Batman just doesn't repeat Bruce's thought process until he comes up with the bat symbol because Batman Begins already did thatExcept that there's no reason for a retard who spent his life drag racing to suddenly turn to vigilantism. Bruce in all other continuities always planned to be a vigilante eventually, not here.>He's made progress in that the police tolerate his presence and are willing to work with him Probably because he's a tool who hasn't even realized they're corrupt. And I mean considering how incompetent even Gordon is in this film I'm not shocked they need even a Batman as dumb as this one>Do you think comics Bruce started building hospitals and funding charities just two years after coming back?I repeat my previous statement. Year One, Year Two and Long Halloween and all their related stories all happen in Batman's first two years and have him do way more than Battinson.>>220701546>It's implied Battinson has already sent a bunch of villains behind bars Where? Joker could just be an intern from before Battinson.>of course he knows the police are corrupt but he can't just beat up corrupt judges and drag them to Blackgate himself without evidenceEvery other Batman is able to at least start curing some of Gotham early on. This is Year Two and there isn't a single not corrupt competent cop. He's a failure, suck it up buttercup.
>>220701981>6’4 225pattinson isn't that big, nor does battinson look it on screen
>>220695427They had to boot up the URL (rat with wings, not Batman)
>>220702396>They had to boot up the URL (rat with wings, not Batman)that shit was absolutely retarded
>>220702158The prequel novel which might not even be canon anymore since 90% of fans don't know it exists literally says that Bruce travelled the world training with martial arts instructors while he was in college. I don't know why you're so obsessed with drag racing and keep bringing it up, if you tell the average fan of the movie about it they'll look at you like you're crazy because they'll have no idea wtf you're talking about. Anyway I'm glad you found a safe space to talk about your fetishes so cheers.
>>220702158>muh prequel novelYou mean the director's internal writing notes that some exec convinced him to publish for some extra cash that will get retconned anyway on the script for Part ii.
>>220695077Why would some skinny little twink put fear into the hearts of hardened criminals?
>>220695396frfr that unc slop was way too long.
>>220695077A cool motorcycle I guess? Outside of that, nothing really. He’s a shitty detective, shitty fighter, with a shitty costume.
>>220702672>this>skinnyOf course any guy smaller than the roided up bodybuilders you masturbate to will look skinny to you.
>>220695077Showing the eye shadow under the mask was a nice touch. Can't think of much else
>Wants to speak to criminal mastermind The Penguin>Just knocks on his front door>The guys on the door don't have guns>Only two people in the entire nightclub have gunsThis really took me out of it
>>220703040Shut up faggot.
>>220699184That same Batman was facetanking gunshots the whole movie.
>>220704218He was certainly facing the gunmen, but saying he was facetanking is not accurate. He was taking shots to armor.
>>220695077Is there any major American city than can be brought to its knees by exploding some flood gates?
Gotham actually looks like a shithole again.Nolan gave up on that after Begins.
A terrible movie overall.
>>220695077Everything
>>220695077The intro was good. Wasted potential because the director/writer was libtarded. A funnier version would be a based chud Batman reciting black crime statistics and snapping criminals in half.
>>220704163Nobody thought the penguin was a criminal mastermind during that movie kek, it took him the entirety of the followup show for the criminal underworld to stop treating him like a joke
>>220695077tiny penis
>>220698142Halle Berry was the hottest catwoman
>>220704595lol no
>>220704398Batman is unironically antifaHe hates criminals but he hates corrupt cops and politicians even moreExpecting a Batman movie that's not "libtarded" means you've never read a Batman comichttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cJGYp6-1lok&pp=ygUaR290aGFtIGtuaWdodHMgYnJ1Y2UgZGVhdGg%3D?t=19m20s
>>220697825He looks like Robocop.
>>220698320BvS has a better story than this shitty ass movie.
>>220704706>Batman is unironically antifano, you moronantifa is about chaos, lawlessness and open bordersbatman would kick their teeth in
>>220704752Batman is same as any proper hero. He believes in strength through diversity and the separation of church and state.
>>220704777antifa idiots would call batman a fascist
>>220704752Ok so maybe antifa isn't the exact word if you want to be autistic about semantics. He'd still beat up your racist ass
>>220704855antifa are racistthey hate whites
>>220700988>>220701138You’re overlooking that the movie was meant to portray Batman as another toxic white guy using his privilege to make things worse for everyone. They even emphasized that the criminals he’s been chasing and terrorizing for the past two years were all addicts caught up in the fictional Drops drug being distributed by the Penguin.
>>220695077Movie-wise, I really liked the intro. It's Halloween and we're seeing a POV of some rich guy in a mansion from across the street. It really made you think it was going to be a POV from Batman's perspective, but actually it's a murderer's POV. And for a few seconds you think we're starting with the killing of Bruce Wayne's parents right off the bat. But then you realize it isn't that, it is the inciting murder that will start the investigation.Most of the rest of it was great. Kinda didn't get the "You are la/You are el" thing, but that's a tiny thing. Kinda weird that Batman had a Bat-laptop...also, I didn't like most anything involving Catwoman, but what're you gonna do?
>>220695077>What’s one thing battinson gets right?They didn't waste any time showing the chinaman as a weak, helpless victim being attacked by Mexicans and then rescued by a White hero. (I'm sure he was very good at calculation though!) r/AsianMasculinity rated this film a ching out of chong, you didn't have to wait hours for the payoff like in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
>>220695210he fucked up solving the one clue and failed every other one. plus he walks directly into gunfire
>>220695077It led to the Penguin show which is better than the movie.
>>220705086Yeah, before this movie came out, everyone was hyping it up as finally being a true detective story for Batman, but the actual detective aspect turned out to be terrible and completely lacking in quality.
>>220700771>Personally I thought that Batman hanging up the cape was stupid and out of characterThat's from TDKR and it's based on the comic No Man's Land where he did hang up the cape. But yeah it felt out of character there too
>>220705113>It led to the Penguin show which is better than the movie.
>>220700928>>220700988It's an Elseworlds tale and shouldn't be regarded as canon normal Batman behaviour
He behaved as a complete full retard.The Retardman more like it.
>>220697401>He's clearly messed up mentally, lowkey suicidal and emotionally/socially stuntedThis nails it and the scene in OP is where it stands out the most
>>220695077Dark rainy setpieces, heavy leather boot steps and fear of batman in the criminals
>>220695077
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The Batman doesn’t just nod to David Fincher’s Se7en, it practically begs for the comparison. From the unending, rain-drenched gloom of its streets to the Zodiac-inspired killer who leaves meticulously designed greeting cards at grisly crime scenes, the film proudly showcases its cinematic influences.Trouble with comparisons is that you’re expected to measure up. Next to Fincher’s classic, The Batman feels underwhelming, relying on flashy visuals to mask a plot that plays like an sloppy first draft. The biggest difference between the two sits at the core of any detective tale: the competence of the detectives.In Se7en, the detectives are portrayed as sharp, capable investigators with real agency. They don’t just react to events, they push the plot forward. When they hit a dead end, Somerset cleverly taps his FBI contacts to track library checkout records for extreme literature. This smart move leads them to John Doe, allowing them to surprise him at his apartment. By breaking the killer’s rhythm and disrupting his grand plan, they force him to change course. This display of competence directly causes John Doe to speed up his timeline and shift his focus to Mills, making the film’s climax feel truly earned.The Batman, while constantly reminding viewers that its hero is "vengeance" and a brilliant detective, ends up with a surprisingly inept lead. The script’s biggest flaw shows in how it handles the Riddler’s apartment. Midway through, Batman gets a set of surveillance photos from the Iceberg Lounge, showing corrupt officials. Any competent detective, or even a halfway observant cop, would have traced the vantage point, figured out the angle, and gone straight to the Riddler’s window, cutting out hours of filler. There, he’d have found the apartment that conveniently housed all the villain’s plans, diaries, and schemes in one place. But the weak writing skips this obvious step, leaving Batman to drift from set piece to set piece with no real narrative drive.
>>220705734Continuing because I genuinely dislike this movie, even more so for its pretentiousness. Beyond the glaring oversight of missing the apartment vantage point, the step-by-step detective work is painfully tedious. The clues are absurd, hinging on leaps of logic that seem reverse-engineered by the writers rather than uncovered by a brilliant mind. Worse still is the way the film delivers these so-called “revelations.”Whenever Batman and Lieutenant Gordon share the screen, the dialogue devolves into them endlessly narrating exactly what the audience is already looking at. Instead of snappy, Fincher-esque banter where detectives bounce theories off one another to propel the scene forward, Reeves has his characters stare at a clue and verbally describe it. It insults the audience’s intelligence, treating viewers as though they are incapable of processing visual information without an audio guide, dragging down the pacing of a movie that is already agonizingly slow.The slow-paced story is occasionally broken up by action scenes that make little logical sense. The most obvious case is the over-the-top Batmobile chase with the Penguin.Batman sets off a huge, fiery highway pile-up, causing obvious collateral damage and likely civilian casualties, just to catch the Penguin for a basic interrogation. By this point, he and Gordon are certain the Penguin is behind the Drop drug smuggling ring and complicit in the death of Catwoman’s friend, a key witness.Yet, after extracting a minor grammatical correction regarding the Riddler's "el rata alada" clue, Batman and Gordon simply leave him there, tied up but otherwise free to go. They abandon a known, high-ranking mobster and murderer at the scene of a catastrophic multi-car pile-up of their own making. It is an astonishing display of narrative bankruptcy, where scenes happen because the script demands a set piece, not because they make any logical sense within the world.
>>220706097Because the narrative itself is so dull, the film tries to manufacture tension through cheap, physical fake-outs. The Batman repeatedly puts its protagonist in seemingly fatal situations: taking point-blank shotgun blasts to the chest, crashing into a bridge at high speeds in a wingsuit, or surviving a bomb detonating inches from his face.In these moments, the film milks the tension for all it's worth, utilizing Michael Giacchino's somber, swelling score to convince the audience that Batman is severely wounded or dying. Yet, every single time, the music fades, and he simply stands up unharmed, dusting himself off like a cartoon character. By relying on these unearned, implausible survivals, the film strips away any actual physical stakes. When your hero is practically invincible, the tension evaporates, leaving these near-death experiences as nothing more than a crutch to artificially inject drama into a flatlined story.This reliance on convenience plagues the climax as well. Going back to the Riddler’s apartment, once Batman finally stumbles into it, the script contrives a scenario that requires absolutely no deductive skill to unravel. For a supposed mastermind, the Riddler conveniently leaves his entire terrorist manifesto, blueprints, and goon-squad deployment strategy neatly laid out in his home. This transforms what should be a thrilling, race-against-the-clock puzzle into a fucking Easter egg hunt where the villain has left the cheat sheet beneath the carpet. It makes it insultingly easy for Batman and the GCPD to anticipate the attack on the stadium and foil the goons, robbing the climax of any earned triumph.Ultimately, these narrative shortcuts exist to prop up a heavy-handed thematic message that sacrifices nuance for a lecture. The Batman is distinctly preoccupied with criticizing toxic, privileged white men who use their power and anger to tear the city apart.
>>220705675Doesn't he get up two seconds later like nothing?
>>220695094is he still wearing spray painted Jordans though
>>220705769>tanks a bomb to the face and walks away with barely a couple bruisesWhat the fuck is that batsuit made of
>>220705287It's going to be fucking hysterical when Gunn bites the bullet and merges the Reevesverse with the DCU. This board will implode
>>220695077Being better than Nolan's Batman
>>220706402Regarding the last point, so no one tries to twist my words into a meme, I’ll go into detail about what I mean.The film makes it clear that even after two years of Bruce Wayne beating up criminals every night, Gotham’s crime rates have only gotten worse. Batman is left confused by this, but the story uses his failure to make a sharp point: he’s not actually helping anyone. Instead, he’s a billionaire channeling his childhood trauma and vast fortune into targeting the city’s most vulnerable. Rather than using his inherited wealth to tackle the root causes of crime, he spends his nights intimidating the true victims of Gotham’s decline, the disadvantaged Drop addicts caught in the mob’s drug trade.The film doesn’t trust the audience to pick up on its flaws naturally, instead shouting its themes loud and clear. It makes a point of presenting Batman and the Riddler as two sides of the same coin, claiming Batman’s vigilante mission is basically no better than the Riddler’s acts of terror. Both are portrayed as damaged orphans lashing out. This heavy-handed comparison peaks in an overly obvious climax, when a captured Riddler henchman repeats Batman’s own catchphrase, like a neon sign flashing the movie’s message, leaving no room for the viewer’s own interpretation.The clearest sign of this heavy-handed approach is how the film shapes its street-level violence to neatly serve its sociological point, even when it comes off as forced. Take the opening subway scene: a group of mostly white, skull-masked thugs pressures a hesitant Black teen into playing a “knockout game” on an elderly Asian man. It feels less like a natural glimpse of urban decay and more like a staged display. By flipping the well-known, real-world demographics of such assaults, the film makes sure the moment fits squarely into its main thesis: that white aggression and privilege are the root of Gotham’s woes, leaving minorities stuck between reluctant involvement and outright victimhood.
>>220705207This is the first time I'm hearing of TDKR being based on No Man's Land in any way. I don't see any similarities at all. That shitty movie wishes it had 1% of the level of kino in NML.
>>220706761>You trust everyoneIf that were true he wouldn't have a secret identity and constantly lie to those close around him, specially so his own girlfriend.
>>220706917Do you just keep a copy of this copypasta on all your devices so you can yell into the void when the mood strikes you?
>>220706968Why not try to challenge my points?
>>220695077this movie was so good it got zero sequels
>>220695250>Battinson deliberately causes a highway pileup including definitely liking the truck driver of an 18 wheeler>all to catch one guy in a car for low level criminal activity
>>220706954It's more like Clark believes in the good in people and that everyone can be redeemed. Lois is being hyperbolic but Superman is really not that careful about who he tells about his secret identity considering Guy Gardner slips about it five minutes after meeting Lois.
>>220707046The movie is dumb as fuck.Take your example. He told Guy Gardner, but not Lois.
>>220707015I think you're getting your movies mixed up
>>220706987They're filming the sequel this year
>>220707079Lois knew about his secret identity the whole movie, did you even watch it retard?
>>220707082No, he isn't. That action set up was extremely over-the-top.
>>220695077I liked his Catwoman
>>220695077His jaw
>>220707082I concede not deliberately, but multiple people definitely died as a result of that chase and it would've made him reprehensible to the common Gotham citizen. If they want to portray batman "realistically" I am fine with that but then he goes and pulls psycho shit like that chase where countless innocents were killed or maimed and widespread destruction happens over someone as small time as Penguin.
>>220706932We've had threads about this loads of times. Both TDK and TDKR have segments from NML. If you've read the story in its entirety it's impossible to not notice it. The only thing is Nolan swaps around some of the events and the story ties in a couple other major stories.
>>220707090I just hope they don't fuck up Dick Grayson's casting. I'm already not too keen about seeing Scarjo's resting bitch face for 2 hours.
>>220707395The Gotham tv show unironically did a better job at adapting No Man's Land storyline.
I'll just keep going. The obvious sign of the film’s heavy-handedness is its reliance on Bruce Wayne’s journal entries. Movies usually work best when visuals convey inner change, but The Batman opens and closes with voiceovers that spell out the hero’s feelings and the city’s decay. Instead of letting us watch Bruce figure out his methods are flawed, it has him flat-out explain his shift from vengeance to hope in a final speech. It doesn’t trust the audience to pick up on his arc from the image of him leading citizens through floodwaters with a flare, it insists on telling us the moral directly.The Batman often stops to turn characters into walking soapboxes. Catwoman loses her trademark sly self-interest and becomes a blunt tool for the film’s class critique. When she tells Batman the city’s run by "white privileged assholes," the movie trades Gotham’s layered allegory of class conflict for the tone of a Twitter rant. Instead of letting her anger feed into the story, the script hands her a megaphone, leaving little for the audience to read between the lines.The film’s critique of systemic corruption is equally devoid of subtlety. The story’s MacGuffin, a slush fund that bankrolled Gotham’s mob and corrupted its institutions, is aptly named the “Renewal” project. The irony of a program meant to save the city instead rotting it from within is a classic noir move, but the film drives the point home with a sledgehammer. When it comes to the Riddler, the movie tries to comment on internet radicalization, but without any cinematic subtlety. To make sure we get that he stands for domestic terrorism and online echo chambers, it just plops him onto a Twitch-like livestream, speaking straight to his disaffected, incel-adjacent followers. There’s no metaphor to unpack, real-world elements like comment feeds and subscriber counts are copied wholesale. By making the parallel a perfect 1:1, the film robs the audience of the fun of piecing it together themselves.
>>220707533Ultimately, The Batman wears its self-importance on its sleeve. It wants the prestige of a complex psychological and sociological thriller, but it refuses to take the risk that comes with true complexity: the possibility that the audience might miss the point. By spelling out every theme, over-explaining every emotional beat, and reducing complex social dynamics to modern buzzwords, it ironically turns a three-hour detective film into an experience where no actual deduction is required.I really hate this movie. It’s one of the dumbest Batman films ever made, even more so than any of the actual cartoons about the character.
>>220707482Holy non sequitur Batman!
>>220707582It's just an observation. Nolan didn't utilize any interesting ideas from NML.
>>220707667Well you didn't observe much because it's very heavy handed. But you do you.
Also, if Selina Kyle is the film’s megaphone for class frustration, Bella Real is its pristine, unblemished political avatar. In a cinematic universe where Gotham is traditionally defined by its inescapable, institutional rot, a place where even the most well-intentioned reformers are eventually compromised or broken, The Batman introduces a character who is fundamentally flawless. By framing Bella Reál not as a nuanced individual but as a polished emblem of modern progressive ideals, the film smooths out its story, trading the shadowy moral ambiguity of classic noir for a clean-cut, present-day political divide.Gotham City has historically functioned best as a timeless, mythical reflection of urban decay. You've an amalgamation of 1930s mob rule, 1970s urban blight, and gothic architecture. However, The Batman grounds its politics so heavily in the aesthetics of the 2020s that it strips the city of its allegorical power. Bella Real is coded explicitly as a modern, grassroots, AOC-adjacent Democratic progressive. She is young, impeccably moral, speaks in the exact cadence of contemporary political Twitter, and is running against a cabal of old, corrupt, white conservatives.By creating a 1:1 parallel with modern American political dynamics, the film does all the thinking for the viewer. There is no need to analyze her policies or question her motives; the movie uses real-world political shorthand to immediately signal to the audience:>She is the definitive good guy, and if you agree with modern progressive politics, you must agree with her.The film's heavy-handedness extends literally to the character's name. "Bella Real" translates roughly to "Real Beauty." In a movie that desperately wants to be taken seriously as a gritty, Fincher-esque thriller, giving the sole incorruptible politician a name that explicitly translates to "The Genuine Article" is jarringly on-the-nose. It leaves absolutely zero room for interpretation regarding her role in the narrative.
>>220707800When the character approaches Bruce Wayne at the mayor's funeral, the interaction is completely devoid of natural human conversation. Instead, it operates as a direct vehicle for the director to lecture the protagonist, and the audience.She corners a billionaire at a funeral to deliver a flawless, poll-tested stump speech about his failure to use his philanthropy to save the city. In a more trusting film, we would see Bruce Wayne looking around at the decay of his city, wrestling internally with the realization that his wealth could do more than his fists. Instead, The Batman simply has Bella Real walk up and explicitly hand him the film’s thesis statement on a silver platter. She exists in that scene not as a politician paying her respects, but as an exposition delivery system.The greatest disservice Bella Real does to the film’s themes is completely removing tension from Gotham’s political landscape. In classic Batman stories, reformers like Harvey Dent are compelling because their idealism is constantly tested by their own psychological flaws and the crushing weight of Gotham’s corruption. Dent is a tragic figure because he proves that Gotham can break anyone.Bella Real, however, is invincible to moral decay. Even after surviving an assassination attempt, she immediately rises to take charge during the flood, projecting flawless leadership and unwavering courage. Because she has no flaws, no hidden agendas, and makes no moral compromises, the audience is never asked to engage critically with her character. The film presents a supposedly complex sociological problem of systemic, multi-generational corruption, but presents a cartoonishly simple solution: just elect the perfect, flawless politician.By refusing to give Bella Real any shadows, The Batman betrays its own gritty aesthetic, ultimately treating its audience like children who need the "good guys" and "bad guys" clearly color-coded so they don't get confused.Fuck this movie.
>>220707533I didn't mind the journal monologues. They felt more like a way of showing Bruce's loneliness, he spends so much time in his own head second guessing his decisions because he has nobody to talk to.>Gotham is run by white privileged assholesFactually correct. The Court of Owls isn't exactly known for its ethnic diversity. And Selina is actually brief in her criticism of the system, you just hate being reminded that the elites are in fact mostly white so you can't easily scapegoat minorities for all your problems.Riddler using internet radicalization to gain followers makes sense. Comic villains evolve with the times and comics have shown how they use social media as a tool to their advantage since the New 52 at least. Citizens of Gotham express their opinions on Batman on social media in the comics. Hell Joker's latest sidekick in mainline, Punchline, is a camgirl and social media influencer.>There’s no metaphor to unpackLiterally what metaphor are you talking about? Riddler knows his followers are easily manipulated morons that he uses to fulfill his goals. That's how it works in real life. There's no more to it. You were manipulated by Epstein into falling for the incel rabbit hole and here you are seething because a woman in a movie made a passing comment about rich white assholes.
>>220707961>They felt more like a way of showing Bruce's lonelinessExcept film is a visual medium, Anon. You're defending a cinematic crutch. Pattinson’s physical acting, the claustrophobic framing of him in Wayne Tower, the refusal to look people in the eye, and the stark cinematography already do the heavy lifting of showing his profound isolation. Having him literally read his diary over the footage is an auditory safety net for an audience the director assumes is too braindead to read visual cues. We don’t need a voiceover to state "I am a nocturnal animal" while we are actively watching him stalk the shadows. It’s redundant.>Court of OwlsBringing up the Court of Owls, a faction that doesn't even exist in this film's universe yet, is pure copium.You completely missed the point of my critique to construct a political strawman. The issue isn't demographic accuracy; it's the sheer, immersion-breaking laziness of the dialogue. Gotham is at its best when it operates as a stylized, gothic, timeless reflection of urban rot. When Selina drops a phrase pulled verbatim from a modern social media feed, it shatters the noir aesthetic the film spent millions trying to build. Good screenwriting weaves class critique into the narrative. It doesn't just hand the actress a modern buzzword to read aloud so the audience knows exactly what to think.>Comic villains evolve with the times"Making sense" logically does not equate to good cinematic storytelling. No one is arguing that villains shouldn't use modern technology.>Literally what metaphor are you talking about?The superhero genre, and particularly Batman, thrives on allegory, using heightened, fantastical elements to explore real-world anxieties through a stylized lens. When you strip away the allegory and just do a 1:1 literal recreation of an internet shooter on a livestream, you rob the film of its artistic weight. It deprives the audience of the intellectual satisfaction of unpacking the themes themselves.
>>220708179You're keep getting heated up by a) a voiceover that lasts for a minute in a 3 hour movie and b) a single line of dialogue. Only midwits think voiceovers in movies are always bad no matter what, and the rest of your complaints are trite chud talking points you're parroting from other chuds.
>>220708268You're intentionally downplaying structural flaws to defend a script that doesn't respect you. That "minute-long" voiceover literally bookends the film. It frames the entire narrative and is used as the primary vehicle to deliver the protagonist's ultimate character growth because the writer didn't know how to do it organically. And it’s not "just one line" from Selina; that line is simply emblematic of the movie's entire philosophy of telling instead of showing.>Only midwits think voiceovers in movies are always bad no matter whatVoiceovers aren't inherently bad. Scorsese uses them to create ironic dissonance between what a character thinks and what they actually do. Fincher uses them to establish a specific psychological detachment. Reeves uses it here as a cheap auditory safety net because he lacks the confidence to let Pattinson's physical acting or the visual storytelling stand on their own. It is literal exposition for the lowest common denominator.>the rest of your complaints are trite chud talking pointsNotice how you completely ignored the massive, glaring plot holes I brought up?The fact that the "World's Greatest Detective" couldn't trace a vantage point from Riddler's surveillance photos? Or that he survives a bomb to the face and a bridge crash with zero consequences just so the director could have a flashy set piece? You have absolutely no defense for the mechanical failures of the script, so you default to screaming "chud" like a programmed NPC.My core issue with The Batman boils down to a staggering disconnect between what it thinks it is and what it actually delivers. It’s suffocated by its own pretentiousness. Reeves drenches every frame in shadows and an operatic score to signal that this is "serious, elevated cinema," but you can't just slap a brooding, three-hour noir aesthetic over a script that operates with less narrative discipline than the actual cartoons it considers itself superior to.
>>220708268>a voiceover that lasts for a minute in a 3 hour movie andto be fair its was astonishingly cringe and awful writting that instantly pulled me out of the moviie/world pattinsons delviery was pitch perfect though
Just to wrap this all up, a detective thriller lives and dies by the intellect of its protagonist and the structural integrity of its mystery. Here, we get a completely passive Batman who solves practically nothing through active deduction. The plot only moves forward because characters stumble into answers, villains conveniently leave literal instruction manuals outlining their plans, or the script decides it's time for an illogical action set-piece to artificially inflate the stakes.And all of this lazy plotting exists merely as a delivery system for a heavy-handed social commentary that treats the audience like toddlers. It abandons the rich, timeless allegory of Gotham City to clumsily rip headlines straight from the 2020s. When you have villains reduced to 1:1 Twitch streamers and the protagonist spelling out his own arc in a diary, you aren't making a thought-provoking film. You are making a three-hour lecture. It demands the prestige of a mature sociological critique while utterly refusing to do the basic screenwriting work required to earn it.
>>220695077He was batshit crazy.
>>220708370>a script that doesn't respect youIf you feel personally insulted by this movie that sounds like a you problem
>>220708370>Reeves drenches every frame in shadows and an operatic score to signal that this is "serious, elevated cinema,the DP and production design hard carried as did pattman reeves' writing/direction on this film was awfuloverlong but felt like it was rushing, tried to do the gritty thing but pulled all it's punches and rounded the edges of what it should have been, a hard R
>>220708454>I am a nocturnal animal should have just said he was an animal reeves constantly added in these beta faggot purple prose touches, when in point of fact it should have been brutally sparse
>>220708431Dude we get it, you're assmad because Batman didn't spend the whole movie beating up minorities and slapping women around while he yells how tough and awesome he is like Frank Miller's All-Star Batman. Stop, you're leaving dorito stains all over the keyboard.
>>220708454It's not about having my feelings hurt, Anon. It's about a script treating its audience like they have zero object permanence or basic critical thinking skills. When a film establishes a specific tone and set of physical rules, only to break them whenever the writer writes themselves into a corner, yes, that is intellectually insulting.Take Reeves' absolute obsession with his "grounded, realistic" take. He explicitly designed an overly tactical, heavily plated suit just to justify Batman taking small-arms fire in the hallways. Yet, in the very same movie, this "grounded" Batman takes a point-blank C4 bomb explosion directly to his exposed jaw and survives a terminal-velocity wingsuit crash into a concrete bridge without a single broken bone, limp, or concussion. He is effectively a cartoon character for two and a half hours.But then we get to the climax. Suddenly, when the script desperately needs to manufacture emotional stakes because Catwoman is getting choked out, a basic shotgun blast to the chest, the exact same chest plate that has been tanking heavy fire all night, somehow completely paralyzes him. He’s down for the count, utterly helpless, purely because the plot demands artificial tension.And how does he resolve this? With a literal deus ex machina. He magically pulls a glowing green super-adrenaline/venom injection or whatever the fuck off his belt to revive himself, a gadget that was never established, telegraphed, or even hinted at previously in the film's massive three-hour runtime. It just spawns into his inventory exactly when the writers need an out.That is exactly what I mean by a script that lacks respect. It demands you take its gritty, hyper-realistic, elevated aesthetic completely seriously, while simultaneously relying on absolute illogical contrivances to resolve its poorly constructed tension.
>>220708491There is literally nothing wrong with that line. You should talk to a therapist about your OCD and anger issues.
>>220708569>glowing green super-adrenaline/venom injectionAka adrenaline shot
>>220708584line sucks and you're projecting
>>220708663What am I projecting?
>>220695077Look, like it or not Reeves Batman is only second to Burton´s (as far as live action is concerned, they are all trash if compared to TAS) and gets quite a few things right. For starters it actually takes after the source material. Specifically after Hush but it does take a bit from the long Halloween and year one as well. The focus on Batman as hard neo noir detective is better than Nolan´s take and the stylized cinematography that tries to give it a a graphic novel feel was also a solid decision. Personally i would still have preferred for Reeves to push the envelope with the art design of Gotham like Burton or at least up to something like Dick Tracy or Sin City because i believe Batman requires some degree of exaggeration to be plausible and just can´t work properly on a grounded setting... The movie does kind of addresses this but it falls short for now. I am hopping that maybe the second movie may distort the world further as if his presence alone was capable of such influence.
>>220708569>and survives a terminal-velocity wingsuit crash into a concrete bridge without a single broken bone, limp, or concussionyeah that part was fucking insane how bad it takes you right out of the pn of the few decent action sequences leading up to the suit deploying (which was also astonishingly cringe)
>>220708552Let me spell this out slowly so you can grasp it: I do not have a problem with the message. A critique of billionaire philanthropy, systemic corruption, and class disparity is literally the bedrock of the best Batman stories. If you actually look at the script instead of just blindly consuming the aesthetic, the movie's handling of its own social critique falls apart.First, look at the Thomas Wayne "deconstruction." The movie initially sets up a conflict: Bruce’s pristine image of his philanthropic father is shattered when he learns Thomas used Falcone's mob muscle to silence a journalist, indirectly causing the man's murder. That is a fantastic way to force Bruce to confront his inherited privilege and the blood on his money. But what does the script do? It completely loses its nerve. One scene later, Alfred gives a teary-eyed speech that Thomas was actually a heckin' good boy who just made a widdle mistake and was totally going to confess to the cops! Bruce instantly forgives him, and the moral ambiguity vanishes. The movie wants the edgy prestige of deconstructing the billionaire myth, but immediately walks it back to keep the Wayne legacy sanitized.Second, the third act. For two and a half hours, the script painstakingly establishes that Gotham’s rot is institutional, fueled by the elite’s embezzlement of the Renewal fund. The Riddler, while psychotic, is methodically targeting the specific architects of this systemic decay. It's a compelling ideological challenge. But Reeves realizes he wrote himself into a corner and needs a generic superhero climax. He just has Riddler randomly decide to blow up the seawalls and drown the exact same disenfranchised, lower-class citizens he was supposedly avenging, abandoning his targeted crusade against the elite.The script completely abandons its own thesis about class warfare and systemic rot just to force a disaster-movie ending where Batman can punch incels on a scaffolding.
>>220708776>where Batman can punch incels on a scaffolding.to be fair that was the best part and would have been a much better ever-present gang opponent archtype than what we got
>>220708749Superficially skinning a movie in the aesthetic of famous graphic novels is not the same as understanding them. The way this movie handles its source material isn't reverent; it's insulting.Let's look at what they actually did. Flashing the word "HUSH" over a picture of a reporter named Edward Elliot isn't an adaptation, it’s a cheap Easter egg designed to make people point at the screen. They completely gutted the emotional core of Hush (Bruce’s betrayal by a childhood friend) just to make Thomas Wayne look bad for five minutes before walking it back.As for The Long Halloween, that story is a masterpiece because it focuses on the tragic triad of Batman, Gordon, and Harvey Dent. It shows how fighting systemic mob rot fundamentally breaks the city's brightest white knight. Reeves strips out Dent entirely, replacing that tragic, complex arc with Bella Real: a flawless, invincible politician with zero character flaws. And Year One? Year One gave us a fiercely intelligent, proactive Jim Gordon surviving a corrupt precinct. The Batman gives us a Gordon who follows Batman around like a lost puppy, staring at clues and asking, "What does it mean, man?">The focus on Batman as hard neo noir detective is betterIt is categorically impossible to be a good "neo-noir detective" movie when the detective solves absolutely nothing. He misses the vantage point in his own photos. He gets the Spanish translation of "el rata alada" wrong until Penguin corrects him. He fails to stop a single assassination. He only finds the Riddler's apartment because the cops were already there. He is a passive passenger in his own movie.
>>220695396Suck his dick and eat his shit? Did you say that you will eat his fucking shit?
>>220708966Oh, and by the way, The Batman is genuinely worse than every prior live-action iteration. Yes, even Batman & Robin and Batman v Superman.At least the other movies are honest about what they are. Batman & Robin is a neon-soaked, campy, feature-length toy commercial. But it knows it is. It embraces its Schumacher absurdity with total sincerity. Batman v Superman, for all its massive, glaring, miserable flaws, actually commits to its thesis. Snyder wanted to do an operatic, cynical deconstruction of superheroes, and he swung for the fences. When he tore Batman down into a brutal, fallen figure, he committed to the ugliness of that premise, regardless of the backlash.The Batman is the worst of all worlds because it is fundamentally cowardly. It has the exact same cartoon logic as Batman & Robin (he survives point-blank bombs to the exposed jaw, relies on a magic green venom injection to win the fight, and villains leave convenient riddles behind), but it dresses it up in the joyless, suffocating pretension of a David Fincher knockoff direct-to-DVD.It demands to be taken as high art. It wants the prestige of a sweeping sociological epic without doing the basic screenwriting work to earn it. It flirts with deconstructing the Wayne legacy, then gets scared and blames Falcone. It builds up a systemic class critique, then gets scared and has the villain flood a random stadium of poor people so Batman can punch goons on a roof. It is a movie that desperately wants you to think it's the smartest guy in the room, while actively insulting the intelligence of anyone paying attention to the plot.>to be fair that was the best part and would have been a much better ever-present gang opponent archtype than what we gotI'll actually give you that, but still, it requires a massive suspension of disbelief.
>>220709078Conceptually, a decentralized cult of terminally online, radicalized copycats is a far more compelling and modern concept for a Gotham gang than those generic, skull-painted Drop junkies from the start of the movie or the generic mobsters. It fits the paranoid, grounded aesthetic Reeves was aiming for much better.But the execution of that stadium sequence is where the script commits total thematic suicide.First, you have the sheer ideological whiplash. The Riddler and his chat spend two and a half hours explicitly targeting the untouchable, corrupt elites who hoarded the city's wealth and lied to the public. So what is their grand master plan? Flooding the slums to force the city's poorest, most vulnerable citizens into a relief center just to shoot at them from the rafters. It completely betrays the villain’s entire established manifesto because the studio clearly mandated a big, CGI disaster-movie climax with civilian hostages.Second, it requires a massive suspension of disbelief. We are supposed to accept that a handful of isolated, socially inept incels from a Twitch chat suddenly possess the tactical coordination, rappelling skills, and marksmanship of a coordinated paramilitary hit squad.And worst of all, it culminates in the most insultingly heavy-handed moment of the entire film: the captured goon lifting his mask and literally saying "I am Vengeance" to Batman's face. God forbid the audience is allowed to naturally deduce that Batman's unhinged brutality might be inspiring the wrong kind of people. Reeves doesn't trust you to make that connection. He has to strip away all remaining subtext and have a random henchman physically spoon-feed the movie's central theme to the protagonist so nobody in the back row misses the point.
>>220706810I'd literally punch any faggot in the mouth that said this irl to my face.
>>220709237I'd punch you and then call myself Vengeance. umad?
>>220709212I liked your ramblings and agree on all your points.I had forgotten about how T. Wayne is smeared in the mob shit only to be forgiven 1 minute later lol.A coward film, well put. The film presents you with interesting plot points only to pussy out and nervously laugh back at the audience "it was but a prank!"
>>220709475And let’s not forget how that Thomas Wayne "deconstruction" is tied directly to the cheapest fake-out in the film. The movie wants the emotional stakes of killing off Alfred, so it gives us a cartoonish, ticking mail-bomb sequence straight out of the 1960s TV show, complete with swelling, tragic music and Bruce brooding in the aftermath.But Reeves doesn't actually have the guts to commit to the loss. A few scenes later, Alfred is sitting comfortably in a hospital bed with some minor bandages, fully coherent and ready to deliver a teary-eyed exposition dump. His miraculous survival serves exactly one purpose: to instantly sanitize Thomas Wayne's legacy so the fanboys don't get mad. It’s unearned, manipulative melodrama used purely to walk back the only genuinely interesting thematic subversion the script had going for it.This movie is so ass when you stop to think about it.
>>220709212I feel it would be eggcelent at some point to have a Batman adversary who's trying to pull off a caper, heist, kidnapping or even a boner.Rather than blowing up most of Gotham or inflicting mass casualties over ideology.
>>220709544If Reeves was a better director, he'd end the movie with Riddler turning himself in after killing Falcone.
Makes Batman the star instead of a supporting character
>>220709572I feel that the owners of the Batman IP have convinced themselves that there are certain non-negotiable aspects of Batman movies, like destructive batmobiles of death.
And the ticking bomb.
>>220709529My favorite, well the one that stuck with me and made me realize I was watching a very shitty movie was when The Retardman is stalking the russian girl, the movie presents this as a very super important witness, but then Catwoman appears and horny Retardman watches her undress instead and because he was so horny he stops watching the russian girl whom at this point the film decides she's not important anymore and so he goes to follow catwoman, leaving the poor girl all alone. And what hapoens next? She's murdered by the mob lol.The horny Retardman literally killed this poor girl.
>>220695654I will never get the vax
>>220695077Liked young Batman/Bruce being so angry and like he's just lashing out at criminals for vengeance. So he's mostly fill with vengeance and aimless like someone still getting over the loss of his parents. He's still traumamaxxed and not the fully actualized Batman he becomes in his later years. .
>>220709846If they wanted this, they should have cast someone 20, not someone within a year in age of the last 4 actors who've appeared as Batman.
>>220709942Someone 20 years old couldn't pull that off though. We got a good performance of someone in their Hollywood "20s" which is an acceptable compromise. It's just a shame the rest of the movie sucks so bad
>>220709846Bale was Young Batman in Begins.Adam We 37Michael Keaton 37Val Kilmer 35George Clooney 36Christian Bale 31Old Man Affleck 43Robert Pattison 35And no, his stupid hair does not sell 20.
>>220709994>someone in their Hollywood "20s"Lol no.
>>220710017>>220710033>1 min appart
>>220709994>Someone 20 years old couldn't pull that off though.Pull off what? Bruce Wayne has never been a particularly deeply written movie part. Brooding? 20 yr olds can't brood? They can shout "Ur not my Dad!" and not look completely stupid is what 20 yr olds CAN do.Plenty of actors in their 20's have done big action roles.
>>220695077I think highlighting his deduction skills was nice. Pattinson had the right look of a young Bruce. And the one fight scene at the end where he has to shoot himself with drugs to keep fighting was cooler than the other live action fights at least (low bar, I know)
>>220709695If we want to give Reeves the absolute maximum amount of credit, we could argue this was a deliberate choice. The director likely wanted to show that Batman, as an emotionally stunted product of his privileged, systemic bubble, is entirely self-serving in his crusade. By having him abandon the vital witness the second a woman starts undressing in front of him, the film paints him as almost incel-coded, a sex starved stalker whose voyeurism mirrors the Riddler’s own creepy obsessions. It’s supposed to be a flaw.The problem, as you pointed out, is that the script completely fails to interrogate that flaw because it treats Annika exactly the same way Batman does: as totally disposable.She isn't a character; she's a prop. She vanishes from the plot until she is conveniently pulled out of a duffel bag in the trunk of a car at the docks just to give Selina a sad reaction shot. There is no real weight to her death.And it gets worse when you look at what happens immediately after they find her rotting corpse in that trunk. Does the movie pause to reflect on this tragic failure? No. It immediately transitions into that obnoxiously loud, logic-defying Batmobile chase. The script demanded a high-octane set piece for the trailers, so Batman causes a massive, fiery pile-up on a crowded highway, resulting in god knows how many civilian casualties and collateral damage.And what is the ultimate narrative payoff for ignoring the witness, letting her die, finding her stuffed in a trunk, and then causing a massive highway disaster?It was all just so Batman could catch the Penguin, tie him up, and have him correct their Spanish grammar regarding the "el rata alada" clue. They literally paved over the brutal murder of an innocent girl with an explosive car chase just to deliver a punchline about a URL typo. It is the definition of a movie caring more about its own flashy aesthetic than the internal logic or morality of its own story.
Just watched, enjoyed mostly thanks to the visuals and noir tone/pacing. I forgive the desaturated gloom, it looks good here.Full of plot contrivances tho which isn't uncommon for murder mysteries, but in particular Riddler's attempted murder of Bruce is terrible. All his other victims he kills in person and Bruce is the one person in Gotham he seems most eager to bloody his own hands with, yet he phones it in with the famously unreliable method of mail bomb??? It's lazy and happened because it needed to happen for the plot to work and for Bruce and Alfred (not a comic fag but Serkis seems a dreadful miscast) to have some on-screen development
It ends.
>>220710108>I think highlighting his deduction skills was nice.He's hands down the worst detective out of all the live action versions. So it was weird that the entire movie was about him doing detective work
It gets to a point where the movie becomes so genuinely baffling, dragging you from one disconnected set-piece to another without any rhyme or reason, that I just mentally checked out. You can actually feel your brain cells shriveling up the harder you try to force yourself to pay attention to the plot logic.The script relies on an exhausting loop: it sets up a grand scenario with massive implications, pulls a cheap cliffhanger, and then immediately backpedals with a lazy fakeout that abandons every interesting idea it just introduced.The absolute worst offender is the funeral scene. The bomb on Colson’s neck goes off point-blank right in Batman's face. Cue the suspenseful music and the dramatic fade to black. You have an unconscious vigilante completely surrounded by a corrupt GCPD that actively despises him and wants him arrested. What happens next?He wakes up in the middle of the precinct, completely uninjured. And his mask is still on.Are you seriously telling me that an entire precinct of dirty cops, who hate his guts, just respectfully stood around his unconscious body and respected his personal boundaries? They didn't unmask him? They didn't throw him in a holding cell? They just gently laid him on a desk until he woke up so he could punch Gordon and leave? It’s pure, insulting contrivance.Then they just move to the next grandiose set-piece and do it again. He wingsuits off the GCPD roof, clips a concrete bridge at terminal velocity, and slams face-first into the asphalt. Implication: his body is shattered, will he be able to keep up with the Riddler? Reality: he dusts himself off like Wile E. Coyote and walks away, perfectly fine for the rest of the movie.Over and over again. High stakes set-up, cowardly resolution. The movie demands you treat it like a serious, elevated thriller with real consequences, but the narrative operates on the logic of a Saturday morning cartoon where the status quo magically resets the second the scene changes.
>>220709994>Someone 20 years old couldn't pull that off though.You know who was Hollywood 20's?Will Smith in Bad BoysChristianson in the Prequel TrilogyChamalet in DuneDiCaprio in TitanicJohnson in Kick-AssElgort in Baby DriverPATTISON IN TWILIGHTAnd on and on and on.There was no excuse to cast some middle aged actor as young, defiant rookie Bruce.There was no excuse to p
>>220710314writing detective work is hard stuff. Hollywood should just stick to spectacleslop.
>>220710314To be fair, MOST Batman movies are about fist-fighting villains and have incredibly shitty fist fighting.
>>220710340You just listed a ton of bad performances lmao
>>220710371None of them worse than Pattison's awful Bruce Wayne. Not a one.
>>220695077The bulging forehead reflecting Batman’s psychic powers.
If his little ass tried to step to me I'd curbstomp his ass.
>>220710370That's setting the bar on the floor. Honestly, the fight choreography in this movie is only marginally better than the street brawls in The Dark Knight Rises, and Nolan was very clearly phoning it in by that point with stuntmen literally falling over in the background before even getting hit.Reeves was so obsessed with his hyper-tactical, "grounded" aesthetic that he put Pattinson in an over-designed, insanely bulky armor set that completely restricts his mobility. You can tell the actor can barely move in the damn thing.Because of that restrictive suit, the fight scenes all devolve into the exact same sluggish formula. Batman just slowly and loudly stomps toward a group of enemies in his heavy boots, passively tanking small-arms fire to the chest plate like a T-800. Once he finally waddles into melee range, there is absolutely no agility, fluid martial arts, or actual technique involved. It's just him throwing incredibly slow, telegraphed punches and stiff elbows, inevitably ending with him grabbing a guy and clumsily tossing him to the ground.He is supposed to be a highly trained martial artist who strikes with precision, but he fights like a guy trapped inside a heavy bomb disposal suit swinging his arms in slow motion. It makes the combat completely tedious to watch.
>>220708966>>220709078The ending is shit and i would have to agree that the source is taken shallowly at best. There is enough of it to be recognizable but there is no depth and the elements that made the originals great are, as you say, absent. My point was that, unlike Nolan´s version that wants to be it´s own thing, Reeves version seems to be trying to be Batman. Isn´t trying better than not trying at all?
>>220697516Rule of cool. The Tumbler might be tacticool mothballed military shit, but it looks like total ass. Battinson’s ride looks cooler, therefore it *is* cooler. The Batmobile is always form over function, because it can do anything else the story requires of it.
>>220710526This is an absolutely insane take. The idea that Nolan "wasn't trying" to adapt the comics is completely historically illiterate.Look at Batman Begins. It is literally Dennis O'Neil's legendary '70s run brought to life. Nolan lifted Bruce's global training journey directly from The Man Who Falls and merged it flawlessly with Frank Miller's Year One. Gordon's entire arc dealing with Flass and a corrupt GCPD, Batman using the ultrasonic bat-swarm to escape the SWAT team, and the final rooftop scene with the Joker card are 1:1 Year One.Then you have The Dark Knight, which is the definitive adaptation of The Long Halloween. Nolan actually understood that the core of Loeb's comic isn't just a gimmick about holiday murders; it's the tragic, doomed triad of Batman, Gordon, and Harvey Dent trying to break the mob, only for the city's corruption to break Dent instead. Reeves completely stripped that tragic political dynamic out of his movie so he could give us the flawless, infallible, boring Bella Reál.Even The Dark Knight Rises structurally adapts Knightfall (Bane breaking the Bat), No Man's Land alongside elements of Contagion and Legacy (Gotham quarantined by a megalomaniac, martial law, bridges blown, Gordon leading an underground resistance against an occupying force), and The Dark Knight Returns (an aging, physically broken Bruce with a leg brace coming out of retirement for one last war).Nolan took the thematic core and plotlines of O'Neil, Miller, Loeb, and Dixon and built his universe around them. Reeves just flashed the word "HUSH" on a screen for two seconds, put a magic green venom needle in Batman's belt, and expected you to clap. Superficial aesthetic mimicking is not "trying harder" than actual, structural adaptation.
>>220710807I will throw Reeves one single bone here. The defenders are right about one thing: he actually did adapt a comic book incredibly faithfully. The problem is, the comic he used as his primary blueprint is Geoff Johns' Batman: Earth One.If you actually look at the movie, it's basically a 1:1 rip of that specific graphic novel:>An aggressively incompetent, amateur Bruce Wayne who constantly botches his parkour, gets his ass kicked, crashes his cape/wingsuit because he doesn't know how to use it, and walks around with emo eye makeup when the cowl comes off.>Alfred being retooled from a refined, aristocratic father figure into a gruff, cane-walking, ex-military bodyguard who acts like Bruce's drill sergeant.>The entire "sins of the father" subplot where the Wayne and Arkham bloodlines are tied directly to Gotham's deep-rooted political corruption, specifically revolving around a mayoral campaign.>The Riddler being reimagined as a Zodiac-style domestic terrorist who targets the corrupt elite.So yes, Reeves heavily adapted a comic. The fatal flaw is that Earth One is absolute garbage, written by a guy who has historically resented the character.Anyone who has read DC for the last twenty years knows Geoff Johns is a Green Lantern, Flash, and Superman fanboy who actively dislikes Batman. You can see it in how he writes Bruce in team books, Johns always writes him as an arrogant, useless liability just to make his preferred heroes look better. Need proof? Look at Green Lantern: Rebirth, where Johns specifically went out of his way to have Hal Jordan punch Batman in the face to assert dominance.When Johns finally got to write his own standalone Batman origin in Earth One, his primary goal was to humiliate the character. He stripped away Bruce's intellect, his detective skills, and his martial arts mastery, reducing him to a clumsy, bumbling failson who constantly needs a shotgun-toting Alfred to bail him out.
>>220709695it's not his fault she decided to undress in front of him smfh
>>220695396It was different at the time.
>>220710807BB: 8/10 Does OK job of Year OneTDK: 7.5/10 Other than Ledger, it's a 5/10 and you're insane to think this is a Long Halloween digest.TDKR: 4/10 This is loaded with contemptible moments with hardly 5 minutes of film passing without head shaking writing/directing. Not close in any satisfying way to Dixon's Bane stories.TB: 7/10 It gets the feel better than Nolan's last few and has a good Catwoman relationship but it is another Batman-is-dim movie where dumb writing bubbles up out of the slick production.No Batman movie has done justice to any of the good Batman comics. Gotta go to the cartoon movies for that, strangely.
>>220711164The cartoon movies have the niche audience of comics faithful, they aren't trying to recover massive production budgets and thus don't have to appeal broadly.I would subtract 1 pt from all of these clumsy movies, but I'm not particularly a Batfag.
>>220711164You're fundamentally misunderstanding what makes The Long Halloween a masterpiece if you think TDK doesn't capture its soul. Loeb and Sale's comic isn't just a gimmick about a guy shooting mobsters on holidays. The Holiday killer is just the backdrop. The actual narrative engine of the comic is the tragic triad: Batman, Gordon, and Harvey Dent making a rooftop pact to break the Falcone crime family, bending the rules to do it, and paying the ultimate price when the city's corruption inevitably breaks Dent.TDK understands this perfectly. Nolan literally lifts that exact rooftop pact scene straight from the pages. The entire structural arc of TDK is watching the mob get squeezed to the point of desperation, forcing them to unleash a "freak" (the Joker), which ultimately destroys Gotham's White Knight. That is the exact thematic thesis of The Long Halloween: the painful transition of Gotham from organized crime families to theatrical supervillains, catalyzed by the tragic fall of Harvey Dent.Now look at how The Batman handles it. Reeves takes the superficial aesthetic of TLH: Carmine Falcone, the Maroni drug busts, an Italian mob running the city, a serial killer picking off corrupt officials, but completely guts the narrative core. He removes Harvey Dent entirely.By replacing the deeply flawed, tragic figure of Dent with Bella Real, an invincible, morally flawless politician with zero arc, zero inner darkness, and zero internal conflict, Reeves removes all the political tension and tragedy. Without a White Knight to corrupt, the mob storyline has no emotional weight. The Batman is left with a shallow whodunit that completely abandons Loeb's exploration of how institutional corruption breaks good men.Nolan adapted the heart, the tragedy, and the structural transition of the comic. Reeves just put John Turturro in sunglasses, gave the Riddler a Zodiac coat, and expected everyone to ignore that he ripped the soul out of the story.
>>220695077Detective angle, and relationship to Jim Gordon; but run time is detrimental. As much as I enjoyed it, it's over long and Matt Reeves hewing the the edgy 90's David Fincher aesthetic sort of muddies the quality of the film.
>>220709572That ending would be shit
>>220711472Reeves saved Harvey Dent for the sequel
>>220695077>What’s one thing battinson gets right?Literally NOTHING. This is the worst movie I've seen in the last decade +.
>>220713249This. I can't think of a single good thing about this movie. As a Bagman fan, it was embarrassing watching this dreck in the theater.
>>220695077The fight choreography in that movie was actually fucking awesome.
>>220695094Hockey pads would be in improvement over the Battinson suit.
>>220695077I thought it had the best depiction of batman as a guy with a lot of emotional issues but also someone who clearly cares about people a lot rather than just le epic emotionless robot. Genuinely thought it was far better than any other live action depiction, also loved the neo-gothic noir vibe and i really hope they up they aesthetic ante for the next one
Why do chuds have such a hateboner for this movie. I thought it was meh but I don't get this level of obsession
>>220713207can we trust him?
>>220713662You're a moron.
>>220713772idk it felt the most comic accurate rather than just trying to be boring gritty grounded realism post-irony like every other depiction.
>>220713793In this movie, they go out of their way to portray Batman as just another toxic white guy taking out his frustrations on poor people, victims of the systemic corruption society, also brought by privileged white males, and they emphasize this with the death of Catwoman's friends, which Batman shows no remorse for or any genuine care about.>just trying to be boring gritty grounded realism post-irony like every other depiction.This is exactly what this movie is.
>>220695441Nice cock.
>>220696040Greekoids aren't white.
>>220713663I felt insulted by this movie, it literally called me a retard. One of the worst movies I've seen, tied as the worst Batman movie for me with Batman & Robin.
>>220713927Cool bro
>>220701060Same.
>>220711472>what makes The Long Halloween a masterpieceThe Long Halloween is not a masterpiece by a long shot. It was plagiarized from an earlier, much better Two-Face origin story. Jeph Loeb is a hack who can barely write, and it's no surprise that he was Matt Reeves' teacher, who is also a godawful writer.
>>220713744How can you not trust this face Batman?
Who is he playing in Part II?
>>220695077It accomplishes what it sets out to do, an early batman before gadgets and notoriety, still green and fucks up a lotIt's good at being that, but it's also very dull
>>220695077Don't care. Emo batman is the only batman I enjoyed.
>>220716860Don’t care what angsty teenagers think.
>>220716885I'm 33.
>>220695077Sorry anon, i only care about Bruce Timm TAS and Burton movies, not your dark and gritty zoomerslop
Keaton looked too old and ugly to play canonical pretty boy Bruce. Yes I know he was mid 30s but thanks to 80s aging he looked 50 years old.
>>220695077Gotham City.
>>220716954That's a picture of Punisher
>>220717035Bruce is not canonically a pretty boy. He's classically handsome. He especially is not pretty from constantly getting into brawls. He's rugged.
>>220695077I liked his relationship with Selina more than the one in tdkr
>>220695077everything60s batman > burton > reeves > schumacher > my own feces > nolan
>>220717231Artists have been leaning more and more on the chiseled supermodel features since the early 2000s. The "rugged" parts come from giving him a bit of stubble and maybe a couple gray hairs if he's an older Bruce. He doesn't fucking have a receding hairline before 40 like Keaton had in that movie. Bale and Robert are pretty boys that can look roughed up. Ben is a former pretty boy turned DILF. Those are the types of actors you want for Bruce Wayne. Guess ugly is a strong word but Keaton ain't it.
>>220717338Well, your image here is certainly a better representation of Bruce. He doesn't look soft. He's attractive but extremely intimidating, which is actually more in line with what a archetypal convict leader looks like. You would not assume he's getting ass raped in prison, which is what you would expect of a pretty boy.
>>220717335Where does snyder fall in your scale?
>>220695077The only good live action Batman is Nolan’s Batman. Everything else is varying degrees of garbage.
>>220717392He's not really supposed to look all that intimidating without the mask, to the degree you're not supposed to find hot celebrities intimidating or scary. He wants people to underestimate him as Bruce Wayne.
>>220700408based
>>220717400I'm basing this purely on still images and short trailer snippet things but I always thought Snyder's vision was way too Marvelesque for my taste, plus he's one of the worst film directors period.That being said, I bet I could at least enjoy some sort of cheese factor, which places him above Nolan, the most joyless and self-serious Batman director ever.
>>220717479When your neck is that wide and your brow is that heavy, you're going to look intimidating no matter how nice you are.
>>220717414This. I hated Burton's Batman even as a kid and I was easily impressed at that age. It was such a bore fest. The Joker kidnaps the heroes girl because he has a crush on her. How cliché.
>>220717564>joker kidnaps the heroes girl because he has a crush on herThe funniest part is that Joker might unironically be gay or somewhere on the asexual spectrum. I don't even remember him showing any interest in women in the comics. He brainwashes Harley and strings her along because he enjoys the power and she's useful to him, but he barely gives her any crumbs of attention when she gets upset. It's a common joke in the Arkham games community that Joker keeps ignoring big booty Harley to simp for his oneitis Batman.
>>220697516Even the intentionally funny 60s show knew the Batmobile needs an open canopy for Batman to jump in and out of in an emergency, not sedan doors like a 9-to-5 wagecuck
>>220717822Yeah, Burton never read the comics and it shows. Harley didn't even exist when Burton made the movies so it's even less of an excuse.
>>220717831Is lifting the canopy and jumping out really faster than just opening a car door and sliding out of your seat quickly? The jumping part sounds like unnecessary extra effort.
>>220710350I don't know man. Old british ladies seem to do it just fine with that genre>>220710370That means it should have been easier for them to make a better detective story than what those had, not harder
>>220717881A canopy removes the chances of Batman trapping his fucking cape in a sedan car door
>>220716793>before gadgets and notorietyAnd still they fucked that up by using the scene from Hush where the FBI clears a crime scene for him where he's already well-established
>>220717564Burton Joker is at least THE Joker. Nolan Joker is just retarded Anarchy with clown makeup.
>>220718315Do you think the police are going to patiently wait for Batman before they start processing a crime scene? The police allowing him to be there at all is a courtesy. One of the officers gets pissed and asks who called the freak or something like that. Batman always does his detective work behind the police's back and then maybe shares his findings with Gordon and Montoya if he feels like it.
>>220718415that's too viligante, he's a superhero
>>220718415You're making my point for me. The point of the scene in Hush was that he's so well-established that he can have Feds clear a room that they haven't even finished processing yet, because they know how good he is at his job. Battison is in year 2, which means he would only just then he getting to the point where cops don't start shooting at him on site. They would not be offering him the courtesy of seeing a scene.
>>220718564I don't really understand what you're complaining about. In Hush Batman is a notoriety and if he asks the feds to leave the room, they do. In The Batman the police doesn't trust him but Gordon tips him off and then everyone has to play along because Gordon is technically on charge. These are two different things. Both scenes make sense in their own context.
>>220718631The context is exactly the same in both scenes because one lead detective tells the others to fuck off. Again, it's like you agree with me but still want to argue about... something? Just stfu already.
>>220704706>Expecting a Batman movie that's not "libtarded" means you've never read a Batman comicHave you? Throughout what I've read/watched Batman hates crime period. Trying to skew this toward a libtarded lens is pathetic. The majority of his publication history has him going after regular criminals and costumed/supervillains. I find it funny you have a clip from the shitty woke Gotham Knights game. Batman likely knows 13/50 he just doesn't mention it around Jon Stewart.
>>220718671Calm down chum
>>220718316>Nolan Joker is just retarded Anarchy with clown makeup.Nolan's Joker is funnier than Burton's unfunny Jackson being Jack Nicholson.
>>220695077The cinematography.
>>220695077Lore accurate Catwoman.Selina isn't just a flirty nympho, she's an angry bitch with a bad attitude.
penguin but then they ruined him as well
>>220721265How did they ruin him? His arc in the show was absolute evilkino
>>220695077the fight with the thugs at the start of the movie. That's it.
>>220695396Cap
>>220695478looked like elliot rodger
>>220696833Arkham Knight has the best Gotham if we're talking audio visual medium as a whole. If you mean just movies, Burton's Gotham has it beat
>>220697401>He holds back around female villainsReal Batman doesn't care
>>220698351to be fair, that specific mechanic was retarded at everything else and mute, perfect for paranoid Batman to hire
>>220722639burton's gotham is too silly and movie-ish. The Batman's gotham looks like an actual city, not a backlot. The rain is what does it. I like Arkham Knight but it feels small.
>>220721011Selina is best when she actually adds to the story and has a relationship with Batman. This one did neither.
>>220723773she had a relationship with batman
