>If you're not a fancy CEO that's bossing people around all day your life is useless and you might as well kill yourself
>>220698670wtf was picards problem, I just want a comfy life as a science officer and he thinks I'm a worthless asshole!
>>220698670Not everyone is cut out for leadership. Picard was and winding up as a junior science officer is a waste of potential for him. For someone else it might have been their life's ambition.
he didn't have any memories of that life, only memories of his previous life.
>>220698670I never understood the Star Trek universe, theres no money everything is free, so what are they going to do fire me? Why am I taking orders anyhow? I'll just replicate my own enterprise with blackjack and hookers.
>>220698893>theres no money everything is freeAn absurd premise even post scarcity. The value of land is always subjective. There's only so many French vineyards to go around. I would also like a vineyard and a castle in the south of France. Where do I sign up?
>>220698919You can wait on a list or you can leave on a colony ship and have vineyards covering half a continent on a different world.
>>220698964>vineyards covering half a continent on a different world.No thanks. I want the prestige of having a French vineyard on Earth.
>>220698893I imagine work would be a good cure for boredom in such a world
I can't rewatch this episode because it triggers me. I'm the mediocre, took no chances person this episode is directly talking to.
>>220698977Nobody but the robot and Picard knows what French even is in their time.
>>220699013I doubt that. Everyone knew what "creole" was.
>>220698893>>220698919Star Trek was always a gay commie utopia
>>220698893>>220698919This has always been the most interesting aspect of ST to me, and it's never touched upon. In TNG, it sort of makes sense to see waiters - you're on a flagship, going to unknown places, that's cool, that holds appeal. Even if you're just some guy washing dishes.But on Earth, why would you work for Sisko's dad at some gumbo shop? Do you really want to show up at 6AM to wipe tables and serve people for no money? Is he at least exchanging information/knowledge? Teaching them how to be good chefs? And why does Picard's family just have the right to massive swaths of land to grow something a replicator can reproduce? What if Picard's vinyard turned out to be the most precious land on Earth for some storyline reason? Could the government just show up and take it away?It's not a criticism or anything, it's something I genuine would want to see an episode about, to learn more of.
Star Trek's vision of an accomplished man, is a man who is comfortable within a bureaucracy.It's the kind of sci-fi that was written by people who were very comfortable in school, and then transitioned to some kind of office, and fantasise about serving on a military vessel (which they wouldn't actually do because the atmosphere would be too macho) because the idea of absolute order within a controlled environment is soothing to them.
>>220698893If you want access to the opium if the masses (holodeck programs that let you repeatedly rape Tori and Kira) you need to join starfleet. Regular peasants can’t even watch baseball because it’s outlawed in federation space unless you live on maquis lands
>>220698670>>220698714Picard was talking about himself when he said all that.Science officers can have passion and ambition, but it was Picard that was bereft of those traits.
>>220699034Creole was pushed by Starfleet's Ministry of Tourism. The only reason New Orleans even exists then is to service a tourist area centered on indigenous cuisine. The rest of the city is underwater.
>>220698964Nah all the colonies we see in Star Trek look like shit holes
>>220698670Well he was already a captain that would be lame to go back down and to be known as a different person.
>>220698670why would you want to lose your entire cool life you lived if you're not even getting anything out of it? it's a shitty exchange>muh a bit more lifehe was old already
>>220698964>vineyards covering half a continentI'm gonna cover my half-continent in rape gangs
>>220699143He knew nothing about the other picard, Maybe he had a wife and kids, was a family man with beloved friends?
>>220699044>What if Picard's vinyard turned out to be the most precious land on Earth for some storyline reason? Could the government just show up and take it away?anon, they can even do it right now
>>220699120That's true. The nicest one I can think of is in the Voyager episode where they find Amelia Earhart.
>>220699143>he was old alreadyIsn't he in his 30s?
>>220699147And railroads, make it authentic saar.
>>220699158Yeah, but that would not be *his* wife and kids and beloved friends, for him they would be just some random people.
>>220698893I think the biggest thing is how we never meet the night crew in charge of operating the Enterprise while the day crew gets their 8 hours of sleep. Or has sleep been solved in the future?Also how does the water and plumbing work? Were do they get the water? Do they just make it in the replicator? Were does the sewage & waste go? All incinerated and used as matter for the replicator to turn back into food and water?How do they go #1? How do they go #2? They are all regular parts of a hamun day. I want details!
>>220699161Star Trek is supposed to be a cheesy utopia. Modern Trek would probably embrace it and have Picard apologize for owning land that belonged to some tribe.
>>220699086>Regular peasants can’t even watch baseball because it’s outlawed in federation space unless you live on maquis landsThis is one of those things that always bugged me about star trek, the shows were good but there was always these little aspects about the federation that makes the future look gay as fuck. In future were all a bunch of broke ass bitches with no Gold-Pressed Latinum, who are too pussy for a boring game like baseball, and constantly lose arm wrestling matches with those nerds of the galaxy the Vulcans.They should have just let Khan and the eugencists win.
>>220699270>Picard apologize for owning land that belonged to some tribe.There's an episode about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey%27s_End_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)
>>220699042>>220699270Star Trek is a warring universe pretty much at forever war between Romulans, Klingons, Vulcans, Humans, the Borg, etcIts literally opposite of "this is a utopia piece"
>>220698670Yeah. Don't work for anyone else. If you do you'll die with your soul stolen. A nothing. A traitor.
>>220699328Then you would think the federation would have a little more edge, and drop gay space communism
Imagine working for free lmaos
>>220699504Star Trek The Next Generation is a basically a play that primarily takes place on the bridge of a starship going around space getting in trouble What kind of small brained ape associates this with a work focused on exploring the pitfalls of a society obsessed with the individual accumulation of material wealth?
>>220698670>>220698714Some men are just born for greatness. No need to seethe about it, Lieutenant Barclay.
>>220699587Moderators like you spam for a feeling of power. They don't do it for free or freedom. They do it to feel superior.
>>220698714You torture things: You are an asshole.Science is degenerate.
>>220698893many of these narratives always sweep the question of ai under the rug, dune, foundation, star trek, ai was defeated in some long drawn out war that heralded the dawn of a new humanity, lmao, i never really take them seriously, so disappointing that there's not one good post technological story that takes this seriously
>>220699086>>220699302Is that really the case? How lame. I guess it's all Roddenberry's neurotic vision of a utopia but that's so dumb. The civilian world in Star Trek is getting something I just haven't thought about, but it's gotta be a profoundly unfun setting to actually live in if you're a regular Joe.
>>220698670I can't believe Picard changed his outlook after this either, he was just happy to be back in charge. Q's lesson was lost on him.
>>220699034That was later. During the first season, Gene pushed the idea that earth were all one single culture to the point they didn't even know what flags were.
>>220699105He's actually been involved with science women: Beverly, Vash, and the one from Lessons. They all were very driven in their careers (Beverly had qualifications to be a captain of her own vessel), but they were scientists or worked related to science. Seems like that's his type, as much as that's something he doesn't want for himself.
>>220699587I'd still be working for free in the best starship of the federation, where I'm given not only chances of seeing new worlds and having adventures, but I have housing, food, and clothes all for me, even with the chance of playing in the Hollodeck.
>>220701034hey it worked! kids(collage students) today dont even know was a county is
>>220699044>But on Earth, why would you work for Sisko's dad at some gumbo shop? Do you really want to show up at 6AM to wipe tables and serve people for no money?I imagine it becomes a sort of community hobby with the 'owners' being the people charismatic enough to keep everyone involved and in line.
>>220699042>free food>no money>high technology>gay commie utopiaThis is your brain with chronic MAGA and Israel dick sucking. Do you realize commies never bring high technology and free food, goy?
>>220701316it's probably more like a soviet propiska, where they just go 'yeh, lets put this bayou nigga in the gumbo shop'
>>220701130>I'd still be working for free in the best starship of the federation, where I'm given not only chances of seeing new worlds and having adventures, but I have housing, food, and clothes all for me, even with the chance of playing in the Hollodeck.If you get material benefits it doesn't really sound like you're working for "free". It sounds like you have a society without currency.
>>220699269You see Crusher doing a night shift in command of the bridge. Data covers it too I believe since he doesn't need sleep.
>>220699044the writers are retarded and communism can never work
>>220698670If everyone that was 'useless' killed themselves in mass numbers, the 'fancy CEO' title becomes absolutely meaningless.
>>220699801>foundationiirc they didnt fight the robots. the robots conspired to turn earth radioactive to force humanity into the stars and then just bled into the background so humanity stopped remembering robots were ever a thing. one of the foundation prequels a robot is posing as a human mayor of a town unknown to everyone>so disappointing that there's not one good post technological story that takes this seriouslyread the culture series by Iain M. Banks. intragalactic empire ran by AIs that alters its subjects through generational social manipulation. the first book was intended as a movie script the 2nd(player of games) is much better but the 1st is still good
>>220699269>I think the biggest thing is how we never meet the night crew in charge of operating the Enterprise while the day crew gets their 8 hours of sleep. Or has sleep been solved in the future?I know some people really dislike it, but Lower Decks covers this. IIRC, there's a night crew, but it's mostly doing maintenance. And humans still get regular ~8 hours of sleep and slowly go insane without it
>>220698670Either the writers of this episode didn't understand TNG or the audience didn't understand it.I maintain that the world Q transported Picard into was one where everyone failed to live up to their ideals, not just Picard.Because in the real reality the TNG crew would have treated even a petty science officer with compassion.
>>220699044I think some form of currency doesn't exist but it buys small luxuries on top of the existing necessities for life. Like maybe trips to Risa or something.The land/vineyard is easy to explain. In the future there are purportedly 150 something worlds to inhabit and thousands of colonies and outposts. Earth's vineyard is probably a backwater compared to some of the other worlds, so even though we perceive it as a luxury in our world in theirs it's akin to some rundown cabin in Appalachia.
>>220699044I imagine it works as an apprentice-journeyman-master kind of system. Your goal in life is to run a slop shack so you get in with a cook and do menial tasks in exchange for learning the trade.There are of course always going to be shiftless pieces of crap who just want to replicate nachos and goon in their home holodeck all day but most people won’t be fulfilled with a life like that.
>>220703202>but most people won’t be fulfilled with a life like that.he types on 4chan, on a saterday.
>>220703256I like my lazy Saturday mornings. I’ve NEETed it up a couple of times in my adult life and its fun for like a month but for me, even a shit job is better than doing nothing all day.
>>220699801>disappointing that there's not one good post technological story that takes this seriouslyTNG introduced the Borg in season 2 and Picard was quickly assimilated by the Borg by the Season 3 finale in June 1990. So that kicked of the 90sTerminator 2 was the biggest movie of the 90sMatrix franchise was launched at the very end of the 90sThe problem is there aren't legendary franchise focused solely on the concept of how AI got out of control in the first place. Lots of good well-produced stuff on YouTube for free that you should watch
>>220703284i spent 6 years a neet, ive worked for 10, sure i have savings now but i'd still rather be playing video games all day and jerking it
>>220698893Picard never says they abolished money, just that humanity no longer strives for the accumulation of wealth/things. On the whole, personal desires evolved beyond the material, so reputation, pride, and self-actualization end up being the biggest driving factors.
>>220698714science is for queers
>>220698670>changing the hash to obscure the spamhttps://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/PTqIRUFX9RzwsutTqQrJtA/
>>220703089i like this viewpoint
>>220703089That's a good theory but like another anon said all of the federation off world colonies are shown to be shitholes.
>>220699044This nigga thinking "Why should I do anything if I can get everything with a replicator", skipping the part of getting a replicator and consistent power and upkeep to run it
>>220699269>Also how does the water and plumbing work? Were do they get the water? Do they just make it in the replicator? Were does the sewage & waste go? All incinerated and used as matter for the replicator to turn back into food and water?Yes. Voyager covers this.
>>220703932All those things are free in Star Trek’s society because it costs nothing to produce them.
>>220700967last laugh is Q's, Picard would end up miserable and friends with murderers and drug addicts. Also a robot, which didnt amount to anything
>>220704018>it's a Neelix mixes leola root with raw sewage causing the waste extraction system to become sentient episode
>>220704226>because it costs nothing to produce them.>ask for an earl grey, hot>get a cactoI hope you die of starvation, "everything is free"fag
startrek was my first scifi show and in retrospect i dont know if it would have held up if i watched everything else before it, the universe is pretty much full of plotholesds9 seems to be the most realistic of the first 3, i never watched anything after
>>220699044the expanse did it more realistic where everyone on earth was a NEET on basic income and addicted to drugs kek
>>220703023>Because in the real reality the TNG crew would have treated even a petty science officer with compassion.They do. They just don't see him being the captain, same as they wouldn't Barclay in either timeline.
>>220698670Chief O'Brien was more or less ok with his position.
>>220705202The ir*sh have been naturally bred for subservience and deferment to their betters.
>>220698977Heritage is not for sale in my utopia. If you don't come from a long line of French vineyard owners you don't get a French vineyard no matter what you do.
>>220699044If someone HAS to wait tables and there's no automated process for it then it isn't a 100% automated post-scarcity society, which means they are likely compensated in some form to perform their task. If it is automated and they volunteer then they'd likely do it out of some personal regard for tradition and gained admiration from others for performing tasks that are now normally automated. Like someone crafting something by hand when a factory can do it.
>>220703310>Lots of good well-produced stuff on YouTube for free that you should watchCare to recommend some?
>>220699014Jelico would have been a lot more interesting in his own show. Slipping him into TNG after everyone was used to the unrealistically chill vibe of Picard was just sour.
My guyWill Riker of Alaska: >Picard's Number One loves making wood-fired pizzas from scratch and cooking up extravagant outdoor breakfasts for his family.
>>220702942>If everyone that was 'useless' killed themselves in mass numbers, the 'fancy CEO' title becomes absolutely meaningless.This plus elites realising that they they'd rather kill themselves than be peasants is a huge part of why suicide is such a taboo topic across multiple cultures
>>220705581waiting tables as a hobby is insane
>>220701316This. And the people who show up to Grandaddy's Sisko's Gumbo Shop Shrimporium are going to be people who're actually into the experience of it all. They're probably the kind of food hipsters who insist hand made food is superior to replicated food because it has a 'warmer taste.'
>>220707942I'm sure there are still chefs/restaurant owners in star trek that want to create unique recipes/experiences even with a replicator and I could see them wanting to interact and socialize with the people that enjoy their food while bringing it to them. You know as opposed to sitting at home all day and jerking off to Romulan whores getting KLINGON'd.
>>220698714>Picard spends several seasons gallivanting about his culture being perfect peaceful future people unlike the icky money-spenders like the Ferengi and pre-WWIII humans>Finds people that actually fit that description to be a bunch of cucks
>>220705202>>220705375O'Brien ended up becoming some kind of important academy instructor, didn't he? All the prestige of being a professor without having to get a degree, and all it cost him in return was a lifetime of suffering.
>>220703089Earth is seen as this amazing place though, right? Like, Earth getting hit with a terrorist attack was seen as crazy in one episode, if I remember right. Even if it's smaller compared to somewhere else, it's like owning a piece of prime real estate.
Picard's vineyard was filmed in several locations In the episode “Family”>the “vineyard” where Jean-Luc and his brother Robert fought was filmed in a flat dryland area in Lancaster, CA in the Mojave Desert. A matte paining was used to extend the scene to make it look like the lush fields of eastern France and not a dry desert background. And if you look closely, the foliage growing is an orchard of fruit trees, not grapevines…
>>220709115>matte painting lost soul
>>220709163I don't see why people stopped using them when they work better than CG for distant shots in most cases.
>>220709197CGI is a lot easier to half ass. Painting like that requires actual talent.
>>220709163The one I saw at the Nutcracker over Christmas was peak soul. Star Trek TNG is the one most like a play as the captain is played by a Shakespearean actor. Those Q scenes, stuff like that, that's added just to cater to his speciality in Shakespeare. Pic related in London is where Shakespeare's plays were first performed. The Globe Theatre
>>220698893>>220698919>>220699042>>220699044Star Trek's "post-scarcity" setting betrays a profound ignorance of the world to the extent it might as well be magical fantasy. Even IF there were technologies that rendered energy production and matter rearrangement negligible, their society would still need money or a comparable system of allocating still-scare resources. How else do you determine who lives on beach-front property? What's to stop the otherwise resource-rich people from violently acting against those who attain the valuable property via political favor?At the end of the day, economics is the study of the use of scarce resources which have alternative uses. In every episode, you can plainly see there are never enough resources to satisfy everyone's desires completely. And despite any utopian rhetoric, the show's setting wants to eat its cake and have it too. People have ostensibly moved past base capitalism (look at how the Ferengi are portrayed) and simply work to better themselves, but you have people working in objectively undesirable positions (with their motives for doing so obfuscated from the narrative). It simply wouldn't work. Its economics are no better than Harry Potter world-building.
>>220709368And how and why are they constantly negotiating trade agreements with alien races if they don't have any money?
>If you're not a fancy CEO that's bossing people around all day your life is useless and you might as well kill yourselfCorrect. At the very least you shouldn't ever be in a position where others have power over you and your livelihood.
>>220709368You guys talking about no money on earth are barking up the wrong tree like people who have never watched the show and have no idea where they are going. I didn't even know that was a thing. It literally has nothing to do with any episode I've seen. The setting of the series is not earth but on a starship where they live a military style life with strict command structure, strict rules etc. How that is Utopian to you is pants on head retardedAs for Utopian, now this is something that actually could possibly be evident in every show if you look for it:The "Roddenberry Rule": Creator Gene Roddenberry famously mandated that interpersonal conflict must never happen between the main crew members. The rhetoric dictates that humanity has evolved past pettiness, so drama is born entirely from external threats or moral dilemmas rather than internal bigotry.
>>220709398Service economy. You want to use their big old industrial replicators, you have to keep them happy.
>>220709642>The "Roddenberry Rule": Creator Gene Roddenberry famously mandated that interpersonal conflict must never happen between the main crew members. The rhetoric dictates that humanity has evolved past pettiness, so drama is born entirely from external threats or moral dilemmas rather than internal bigotry.this just goes against human nature, people will always be capable of things like envy as long as status and individual differences exist.
>>220709642The "Roddenberry Rule" is the result of everyone having a grudge against each other literally nuking themselves to death in WWIII to clean the slate for future generations. The moment new grievances arise in DS9 when the Federation basically sells out innocent people to appease Fascists, the same "pettiness", if you would call people being mad at you for going back on your word in order to make someone neither of you agree with happy arises once again.
>>220709642What are you even trying to say here?>Starfleet's existence means Star Trek *isn't* utopian>Post-scarcity criticisms are irrelevant 1) to people who've never seen the show, 2) because a showrunner's narrative rules say so>the narrative rules a show sets for itself render any worldbuilding criticism invalidPlease don't make me choose for you, because they're all woefully stupid.
>>220699004WAGMI. Nice and steady.
>>220709642>>220709710>>220709726I posted that because I believe in people acting more grown up than kindergartners but here's a scene I can across just the other day for first time: Riker and La Forge acting like I would expect kindergartens to act in an unnecessary scene added just to mock Data. https://youtu.be/OouZW_A_M_0>>220709774My show was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the cartoon. And the video game based on it on the arcade at the mall by the food court
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>>220710134You're on discussion thread, you never use these before?
>>220710171Your posts aren't responding to what others are saying or asking in said discussion.
It amazes me how strikingly similar all Picard caps from that episode are with the famous virgin vs chad meme
>>220710238Youre retarded dude
>>220710392Clearly, since I'm expecting shit to make a modicum of sense, when really this place is a haven for bots, trolls, and idiots.
>>220710453I'm having an interesting discussion on AI right now. Just browse around. Lots of boards and discussions going on
>>220709399I just need TQQQ to have a few hundred more up days and I'm out of the cuck cart...
Why is /tv/ obsessed with this episode lmao? This is the most discussed episode on here by far
>>220709642>You guys talking about no money on earth are barking up the wrong tree like people who have never watched the show and have no idea where they are going. I didn't even know that was a thing. It literally has nothing to do with any episode I've seen. RALPH: Believe me, I'm fully cognisant of where I am, and when. It is simply that I have more to protect than a man in your position could possibly imagine. No offence, but a military career has never been considered to be upwardly mobile. I must contact my lawyer.PICARD: Your lawyer has been dead for centuries.RALPH: Yes, of course I know that, but he was a full partner in a very important firm. Rest assured, that firm is still operating.PICARD: That's what this is all about. A lot has changed in the past three hundred years. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. We've eliminated hunger, want, the need for possessions. We have grown out of our infancy.
>>220699120The promise of getting your own colony feels like a carrot on a stick to get people off of Earth as a way of dealing with the issues of land and population.
>>220699177and not a single loo
>>220709710>this just goes against human naturethat was the point. humanity in star trek has evolved and learned to discard many aspects of what we consider 'human nature' today. greed, ego, jealousy, bigotry, violence -- these are all qualities that humanity chose to move past in service of a greater ambition of elevating the entire species. thats why they 'work' for 'free' too, because fulfilling a role within the grand communal endeavor of pursuing the peak potential of humanity is the greatest callingthats why roddenbery's universe is so utopic and what that rule seeks to capture. humans in TNG want the best for everyone and they want nothing more than to labor towards the best future they can. its so utopic that it exceeds most peoples' capacity to understand because they can't imagine a world where people aren't just trying to get rich
>>220698893even in a society without money there would still be ambitious prestige chasers
>>220711825I think about this when I think about the near-term implications of AI replacing most human work. we'll eventually need to come to terms with the fact that human labor has no value beyond the labor itself. while the AIs take over the productive capacities of civilizations, humans will gravitate towards 'meaningful' labor, like art or community service. in this world, many people will choose to take a musk-rocket to mars, just to do something novel and meaningful. we'll start seeing the prototypical form of a star trek society where people are venturing into the unknown just because it moves the needle of humanity a tad bit forward, even if they're not thinking of it that way
>>220711419its nothing to do with the episode; its just a theme that /tv/ is obsessed with>cypher did nothing wrong>fight club guy should have just been happy with a comfy job>picard should have been happy as a science officerits all different forms of the same cope: media that rejects the idea of accepting meekness is offensive to people who have accepted they are meek
>>220709774nta but>>Starfleet's existence means Star Trek *isn't* utopianjust because the federation is utopian doesn't mean the galaxy is. starfleet's existence is an assertion that utopia is worth protecting. sadly, nutrek takes this idea way too far (and ds9 set bad examples for them to follow)
>>220711359Kek, I just sold mine this week. Im hoping gor a midterm dip than back into the breach my smgigger friend.
>>220711825Doesn't Picard's arc from the beginning of TNG up to First Contact kind of disprove that? We know from TOS (which keep in mind, Picard was a contemporary to the tail end of the movie era) that humanity then wasn't some kind of mentally-evolved ubersmench; in the words of Kirk, "I will chose not to kill today" infers that the majority of people adopted a more introspective, patient philosophy when dealing with others so it was less likely to make the gambit-clusterfucks that kept the 20ths and 21st centuries in a state of perpetual unsustainable war, but that was never shown to be universal, with people like Mudd or Cochrane (who the Feddies praise as a hero) being little different from the men that came before them. Cochrane's staff tell Picard that much when he starts preaching to them in the way he did to Ralph and they poke holes in his argument from what they observed of him.
>>220712174Cochrane specifically is used as a literary device to act as the transition between 'old' and 'new' humanity. he births the era of humanity we see in trek, but he's mostly just a shit-stain. but even he is struck with reverence when the galaxy opens up to humanity in a truly novel and profound way. he's not the fire, he's only the match that lit it. and the era of First Contact is far removed still from the re-invented humanity we see in TNG. Enterprise supposedly fills this gap, but its up to the viewer if it achieves that goal
>>220711917>media that rejects the idea of accepting meekness is offensive to people who have accepted they are meeksurprised this bait didn't get more replies
>>220711825>humanity in star trek has evolved>humans in TNG want the best for everyone and they want nothing more than to labor towards the best future they can. its so utopic that it exceeds most peoples' capacity to understand because they can't imagine a world1) Then they might as well be fucking Tolkien elves because it's not realistic.2) What is the best future that the common laborers are working towards? You can make the case for Star Fleet, that exploration is a net positive. But what about random colonists or people on Earth?3) Evolution occurs in response to radiation and environmental conditions. If the latter is simply "lol, god mode, no limits on resources" by what basis would be any significant evolution? let alone in the direction of humanity becoming so universally altruistic and noble. Pick your cliche: Necessity is the mother of invention, Diamonds are forged under pressure. Just "vibing" because everything is apparently free would not better humanity.
>>220698670Ever heard of too many cheifs and not enough Indians? Too many cooks in the kitchen? Without those "useless" people you are useless because you no longer have people to boss around.
>>220709642Roddenberry also said a child wouldn't mourn dead parents because humanity has 'evolved beyond grief', he was sick in the head.
>>220711825>greed, ego, jealousy, bigotry, violencethese aren't things that humans can just flip off with a switch. the potential for these things are hardwired into our brains and can't be erased without destroying our underlying biology. we can overcome them by modifying our behavior but there will always be the potential for them and our internal struggle against them. that's what makes stories and characters interesting though because that internal struggle that exists in each and every one of us, which creates growth/development. This is why so many characters in star trek feel flat and uninteresting. who can say anything about geordi's personal struggles or motivations for example? he might as well be a robot.
>>220699269... what fucking night? You don't need a day-night cycle on a spaceship, you just have shifts and people base their sleep pattern on that.
>>220699587>>220702712your work is needed for the starship to function. you're doing your (small) part for the betterment of humanity
>>220698670This is me. How do I stop being Blue Shirt Picard?
>>220698670I feel like this episode would be stronger if Picard was stationed on some mediocre Starfleet vessel and NOT the Enterprise. The Enterprise is the flagship and everyone there is the best of the best in Starfleet.
>>220698714Once you tasted command you can't go back.
>>220698893>>220698919i think star trek operates literally on soviets. as in, picard's family is squatting on that land so they and other frenchies living there get to decide what to do with the land. so you have no way of getting a vineyard unless you either go make your own vineyard on another planet, or you suck up to the people in power in picard's community.same goes for starships - you don't get a starship unless you suck up to starfleet people who control all the industrial replicators and shit, or you build your own replicator and design your own cruiser.>>220699147>>220699177Saar Trek - to litter on new worlds and rape among new civilizations. to boldly shit where no jeet has shat before.
>>220716950This bothered me also, he became a commissioned officer on the flagship of the entire federation, he was literally 2 or 3 steps below the peak of the most important organization in the galaxy, and still said he "Can't live out his life as this dreary man, bereft of passion and imagination."If that's how he feels about ranked officers on his OWN ship, how about all the science and medical personnel on all the other less important ships and stations? It was an out of character level of disrespectful denigration of personnel by Picard.
>>220719566>It was an out of character level disrespectful denigration of personnel by Picard.Disagree, Picard's character growth is based around him growing to see his crew as more than just the service people that enable his dreams of exploring space a-la the way a person would typically look at the garbage collectors of their neighborhood.
All you people reading so much into this episode, when at the end of the day it's literally just Q being bored and fucking around with Picard. There is no message here. It's an omnipotent prick amusing himself.
>>220715634seriously? all the more reason to dismiss this crap ideology and world-building.
>>220719625The idea that Jean Luc Picard, someone who is meant to be intelligent and cultured, sees the science personnel on his own ship as living lives not worth living, despite that obviously by necessity 99.999% of Starfleet will be these sorts of science and engineering staff is totally out of character for him, I never got the impression in any other episode that he actively looked down upon his staff and saw them as 'lesser' or that anyone who didn't specifically want to be captain was somehow 'unambitious' and 'dreary'.And that's without going into the fact that just to get into the position he was in for that episode, he would've had to be one of the absolute top graduates from the academy, and essentially one of the best science officers in the galaxy to recieve a commission on the federations flagship, embarking on historic missions and helping solve problems that affect all of humanity.
>>220719753Following up on this, Picard was at one point an archeologist, and still goes and delivers speeches on archeology to rooms full of historians and scientists; In the episode with the Kurlan Neskar, how much respect and deference he shows to his old teacher, who is a civillian and archeologist, and the episode in which he's struggling to write his speech and talks to Troi about how he'll be an amateur in a room of admired professors and historians. Picard definitely didn't look down upon people who didn't specifically push for command positions of starships, and I don't believe he was a character who would look down upon commissioned science officers on the enterprise simply for the fact they weren't gunning to be captain.
>>220719668young picard laughs at the start of the episode when being stabbed. picard laughs at the end while getting stabbed to die a captain. q have made picard who he is way before ecounter at farpoint. no wonder since q continuum is obviously the author and audience.
>>220698992they don't have ai generated porn?
>>220698670>If you stop your friend from acting like a nigger who got his Nikes scuffed you a bitch and you'll live a bitch life, gotta keep it real nigga knowumsayinwho the fuck wrote this shit
>>220699730I think you mean Lt.Broccoli.
>>220698670>If you're not a fancy CEO that's bossing people around all day your life is useless and you might as well kill yourselfthis is a fair comment on this episode, but for someone who has had some success in life, picard would believably be frustrated being forced to live out a parallel where he was less successful. success is subjective, but we know picard loves command so to him it's a nightmare. but if you aspired to the lower decks then yeah you can slack off and have space bongs and stuff with the other ensigns and not be stuck with the responsibility of command
TNG, DS9 and Voyager’s writers were the sample people who fell for post-modernist nonsense like psychoanalysis and couldn’t be asked to give a damn and actually do more than just surface level glances.
>>220718901Is the roof deck full of escape pods? How do the windows work right next to them?
>>220720638>nonsense like psychoanalysisbait in a trek thead? beam it into the bin
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>>220698755>waste of potential for him.I love how you don't have a single reply, yet you nailed it on the head (exactly as it was pointed out in the episode).4chinz is FULL of losers, many with wasted potential, but most with ZERO potential. Of course they are going to gloss over your truthful answer to make asinine low effort "jokes" to cope with their own pathetic lives. And your lack of replies is just more proof. I'm just here while I have a morning coffee, most of these faggots will be here all day. kek.
>>220699004hahaloser.
>>220698893>>220698919The most fantastical aspect of Star Trek is that commies want to work a day in their lives instead of sitting around jerking off while doing their hobbies
>>220721991You've allowed the point to go a mile over your head because you were excited to throw out some milquetoast insults to 4chan browsers (which you yourself are)The point isn't picard having more potential, it's that he called being a top academy graduate and commissioned science officer on the enterprise a "dreary life" and "lacking imagination" when it's about as far from that as it's possible to get, and picard would never say that, it was a bad episode with bad out of character writing, deal with it.
