Friendly reminder that The Odyssey was written for and about a culture that literally doesn't exist anymore, so claiming it's part of your culture more than anyone else's is retarded.The poem's central theme is how important it is to obey the rules of being a good host/guest. If you would ask a stranger a name before giving them a free dinner, it's not your culture. Not to mention if someone said they unironically worshipped Athena they would be called a retard.
>>220717686then why use armors and swords. just add guns. why use boats or horses, just add cars.Nolan is such a retarded hypocrite. go ahead and add cellhones asshole. make it modern motherfucker. add Cardi B as Helen of Troy.
The more you cope and cry about people not liking it, the more you jump from one thing to the next, the more you show how you know it’s lame bullshit made solely for culture war faggotry. Dilate marxist freak.
>>220717686So true thats why they should all be ugly niggers and fags
>>220717763Because the Odyssey has always been historically inaccurate. It's a period piece, like Bridgerton or whatever the fuck.Homer made it modern. It depicts shit from 1180 but he wrote it in like 800. They use chariots completely wrong.
>>220717686I'm Greek and I think you are retarded. Stop blackwashing my ancestors
>>220717812but my point stands, just set it in modern times. or set it in the 80s. add Puerto Ricans and Cubans. set it in Puerto rico then. if they're gonna change it then go full way.add UFOS. add a chupacabra.Nolan is the most retarded hypocrite on earth.
>>220717686>The Odyssey was written for and about a culture that literally doesn't exist anymore, so claiming it's part of your culture more than anyone else's is retarded.that's why, since american chattel slavery literally doesn't exist anymore, i can paint my face black and wear fake chains and go OOGA BOOGA YES MASSA and niggers can't complain, since the culture and history of nigger slavery does not belong to niggers any more than it belongs to me, a white guy
>Wokeistan opinionDon't care about your religion lol
okay, let's actually try to make a comparison. if you're, say, an anglo, then homer was part of your culture since the middle ages. chaucer referenced homer, shakespeare wrote a play based on homer, translations into english have been available for ~450 years, waterhouse and others painted homeric scenes and so on. you have hundreds of years worth of cultural artefacts that engage with homer, and they're not obscure or irrelevant, they're pillars of your cultural identity.on the other hand, what kind of impact has homer had on the culture of subsaharan africa? what homer-inspired writing or artwork have they produced? when was the iliad or the odyssey first translated into swahili? how many centuries ago? take a guess.answer: never. homer has never been translated into swahili.
You won't like to hear this but Zendaya will be the smallest problem in this movie.
>>220717775>people not liking it>will do bigger numbers than Oppenheimer
>>220717901I am OP.Yes, I believe you can do that.It would be funny.
>>220717686Friendly reminder that making everything look like modern LA is certified soulless & gay, and I'm just not gonna watch this crap
>>220717686It's a fairy tale, it's not real. I dont give a shit.
I simply refuse to watch anything with Zendaya in it. That's all.
>>220718871it doesn't matter what you believe, i would objectively become a target of institutional ostracism and probably physical violence if i did that. the point of your posts is to try to convince me i should abandon defending my culture while the niggers continue defending theirs rabidly. i'm not going to do that.
>>220718674I know, that will be Matt DamonWhy do they keep casting him in period dramas. He ruined The Last Duel too
>>220717686>146 BC - 1453 AD>1200 years as Roman rape-slaves>1453 AD - 1918 AD>450 years as Turkish rape slavesI'm "Greek" bro, trust me. There are plenty of real Greeks in Greece despite 2000 years of foreign erasure! The name is Greece so they must be Greek, dude.
>>220718908so's the quran, but if you shit on the quran you'll get your throat slit, and that's why europe will be muslim in 50 years. if white people weren't complete pussies people would be afraid of defacing white culture also.
>>220718988>1200 years as Roman rape-slavesThats not true though. If anything it was the greeks that replaced the latins in italy.and the ottoman thing isnt true either. if it was, the greeks would have central asian admixture and slanted eyes like you roach-san
>>220717775>Marxism is when there's a nigger on TV
>>220719053>Thats not true thoughGreekbro stop coping. The Romans had great respect for Greeks and made it eh culture of the elites but they 100% cucked the Helenes as soon as they were able.
>>220719072yes, absolutely. the basic marxist goal is to undermine social order to enable a revolution. that's why the moment marxists took over cultural institutions movies went from "white guy and black guy fight drug dealers together" to material designed to demoralize whites and make blacks chimp out.
>>220717686My wife.
>>220717686>claiming it's part of your culture more than anyone else's is retardedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odyssey#LegacyThere is not European culture without it. Even the founding myth of Rome is based on Homer.
>>220719301Condolensces
>>220719051>and that's why europe will be muslim in 50 years.no, it won'tbut in 50 years, america will be indian
>>220719051I don't see your point. What do Muslism have to do with this?
>>220717686the studio must be having a meltdown if theyre doing damage control on Sunday morning lmao
>>220719336>no, it won'thow? what will you do? what's your plan?
>>220718674Kek. I read somewhere that you know the casting is completely fucked when people aren't even complaining about Zendaya being in the movie.
>>220718988>The name is Greece so they must be Greekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9g3AysShN8
>>220717686working on my epic poem right now that's about the founding of the United States. I'm making 3 of the founding fathers black and the 4th one indian for diversity, named Jordeep Wa-singh Ton. 3/4ths of the runtime shows them sucking dicks and getting raped until their anus bleeds, before their eurochad masters allow them to name their dysfunctional desert wasteland across the pond and leave.Should be fine right, it's not anyone's culture. It's not like any modern americans respect their values anymore.
>>220719408>3/4ths of the runtime shows them sucking dicks and getting raped until their anus bleedsGet them to eat shit on live colonial TV
>>220719408they did that with Hamilton already. King George is white though lmao
>>220717686I wonder if the left will ever argue in good faith again.
>>220719362Bombard 2nd and 3rd generation muslims kids in Europe with tiktok and social media so they become secularized and degenerate. Young "muslims" in Europe barely visit a mosque as is. In my country the percentage of muslim zoomer girls that don't even wear a hijab increases every year.
>>220719346i've already made it perfectly clear. if you shit on muslim culture in front of a muslim, he'll fight back, and so will everyone else in the world except for whites. in front of a white guy, you can wipe your ass with homer, with the bible, the declaration of independence and so on, and he'll just go>h-haha that's right, i h-hate that stuff too. i d-don't even care!and that's why white people are doomed.
>>220719439they won't as long as they feel like they "won" with their strawmen
>>220719439I think what's happening is good. You will have a white culture that is high culture and black culture that is low brow. You have two versions of Homer, slop pidgin "diversity" version for the Epsilon caste, and the original text for the Alpha caste. People will self-identify according to their caste.
CAN THIS PIECE OF TRASH ALREADY COME OUT SO WE CAN MOVE ON???I DONT EVEN CARE ANYMORE,I HAVE FATIGUE BUT I AM ALSO NOT PAYED TO PRETEND I CARE UNLIKE YOU
>>220719447nope, sorry, you're delusional. they might appear "secularized" but when push comes to shove they will always side with their co-ethnics over you, every single time. all it takes is for some of them to be radical muslims, which some of them obviously are (terrorist attacks are routinely done by second-generation immigrants) and the rest will fall in line.
>>220718519>if you're, say, an anglo, then homer was part of your culture since the middle ages>We have been appropriating Homer for centuries so now its OUR culture!!No, angloid.
>>220718988>muh rapebabies!!debunked.
>>220719318That just proves that Whitecels had to steal someone else's culture because they were ashamed of their own culture (or rather lack thereof lmao).Anglos don't even know which Gods their ancestors worshipped during the time the Homeric epics were composed. They have no mythology and no epic poetry of their own lmao>b...b...but muh BeowulfThe English didn’t even know Beowulf was supposedly their great national epic until scholars edited and published the lone manuscript in the early 19th century. It had no role in English cultural life.
>>220719700The modern term "cultural appropriation" refers to a narrower thing like taking elements from another culture in a way perceived as exploitative, disrespectful, or detached from their original context. Like Nolan is doing. There is nothing but respect and admiration for Greek culture in Europe. It's not exploited.
>>220717686>The Odyssey was written for and about a culture that literally doesn't exist anymoreI know that americans don't really know geography but I feel like most people know that greece still exists right? like the ancestors of these people really do exist today across several countries but certainly greece holy shit anon
>>220717686>The poem's central theme is how important it is to obey the rules of being a good host/guestThe old norse had similar virtues:>A man should hold the cup in his hand, / ready to give to the guests; / he should not go to his bench and sleep, / but welcome those under his roof.Seems to be a pretty European mindset in general.
>>220717686Meanwhile a white girl opening a taco stand or wearing her hair in braids is “cultural appropriation”. You can try and repackage your bullshit all you want, it’s either all ok, or none of it is. You don’t get to change hats as it suits your whims in the moment.The entire philosophy of fags like you is “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is ours.”Also very keen on elbowing your way into white culture, and then shifting to telling us that white people have no culture. It’s almost like you have no actual principles, and thus your opinion should be tossed into the dung pile where it belongs.That’s the way children think.
>>220717686>western culture doesnt exist anymorethis is bait. Even a schoolboy could tell you the historical development was like this Greek -> Rome -> The West
>>220718983>>220717901Black people do t have a monopoly on slavery and pale people have been enslaved forever, no one doesn't know this.
yfw the movie defies the odds and is actually good?
>>220717763This, If someone is going to make a movie they should either stay as accurate to the source material as possible or create an original story instead. Considering the retarded movie that was Tenet they cant, they have to make something controvesial
>>220717686her look here is intentional.
>>220722355dios mios la creatura
>>220722355I seriously think anyone saying she's attractive is just straight up lying to me.
>>220717686Who plays Zeus?
>>220717686Pattinson will carry that movie.
>>220718964I have never seen anything with her in it. and not on purpose
>>220722355how does makeup strip so much weight off her face like in op?it's magic i cant get my head around
>>220717686I thought it was a fictional story? You're telling me the cyclops and those gods walking on earth really happened???
People dont care about historical inaccuracies, they just dont want to see black people. /thread
>>220724486Pretty much this.
>>220717686I don't care, it looks ugly, lame and dumb. That's enough for a pass.
>>220719651yes, that's what culture is. "appropriation" is gay leftist gobbledygook.
>>220717847>I'm Greekyou're a Turko-Slavic mongrel who worships a Jewish cult leader
>>220724706Make movies about your own ancient mythology, angloidOh wait... you can't because you don't have any
>>220724706>"appropriation" is gay leftist gobbledygook.Cool, then there is nothing wrong with black folk appropriating the Odyssey.Homer is black culture now.
>>220724486both are true. black people are gross generally, and doubly so when inserted into white tradition so as to undermine it. leftists understand this, and that's why they do it.
>>220719268That just sounds like liberalism but you want to blame it on something foreign instead
>>220724761i know you're just a leftist tranny larping as a greek, but by your logic greeks would not be entitled to "greek" mythology either, since they took most of it from the minoans.
>>220717686Your great grandparents don't exist anymore, so I AM YOUR DADDY, BITCH. Where are the ASIAN REPRESENTATION IN NOLAN FILMS besides TOKEN WATANABE? ASIANS FAR OUTNUMBERS BLACKS IN THE WORLD.
>>220724850liberalism is about undermining social order to bring about a revolution? news to me.
>>220724881>they took most of it from the minoanslmao, no evidence of that since we don't know any Minoan mythology
>>220724780there would be nothing wrong with africans reading homer and creating new works inspired by it within their own culture, no, but that's not what's happening at all. what's happening is leftists waging a war against white tradition and using niggers as bioweapons. zendaya and lupita aren't "appropriating" anything, they are passive tools. i don't really care about the well-being of niggers, but if i did i'd have to say they are being abused.
>>220719383Is this Hollywood doing a 6D chess? Get us to rage at something else so that Zendaya emerges as the best option?
>>220719301looking for a divorce lawyer?
>making fun with the trailers and armours and everything >watch the trailer again now>it felt somewhat better and alright this timeHave we been too harsh? I have doubts now..
>>220724993no, we don't have WRITTEN minoan mythology, but we have enough artwork and other archeological evidence for there to be a scholarly consensus that a lot of greek religion came from there, just like a lot of greek everything else. i guess we're just going to have to put a moratorium on greeks calling it "their" mythology until they can prove they came up with all of it themselves, huh?no, actually, because "appropriation" is gay leftist gobbledygook. it doesn't matter where things came from, what matters is what lasting mark a culture can make on the world. greeks have done it, anglos have done it, if africans can adapt homeric stories into something people will want to read hundreds, thousands of years from now - fantastic, there will be new negrohomeric cultural heritage. but that's not what a movie like this is doing. this movie is entirely about destroying heritage.
>>220717686This pallid troglodyte doesn't even look good stinky anymore.
>>220719383oh, they will be, don't worry about it. lupita will just have two small plot threads as the two sisters, but zendaya will be around for the whole story and she's the one that will render this movie unwatchable.
>>220717686Watch the odyssey accurate trailer, Scylla looks great.
>>220725340>a lot of greek religion came from therelike what?
>>220724788whites undermined non whites for centuries payback is a bitch Lil Timmy
>>220717686Oh look. A Jew.
>>220724467The cyclops is real [Lie].
>>220725721the whole point is that blacks aren't doing any "undermining" at all, they are unwitting weapons in a white-on-white culture war. have fun being someone else's ammunition (if you were actually black and not a white tranny larping)
>>220725702the use of sacred groves, the ritual use of bulls and wine, probably dionysus, probably zeus, probably some female divinities, obviously the minotaur myth, i don't remember everything and it doesn't really affect my point, read a book if you care
>>220725931I already suspected you of knowing very little, but the "probably Zeus" thing proves that you know nothing whatsoever.>sacred groves, ritual use of bulls and wineNot uniquely Minoan, all of these things are huge regional phenomena. Plus the ritual use of bulls in Minoan culture is very different from that amongst the Greeks.>“Probably Dionysus”Why? because Minoan frescos show people partying?>"Probably Zeus"This is where you really gave yourself away, retard. Ever heard of Dyēus?>"Probably some female divinities"Why? Because the Minoans had female divinities so that is where the Greeks must have gotten them from? lmao>"obviously the minotaur myth"Not obvious at all. The minotaur myth is a greek myth by the greeks ABOUT the Minoans, inspired by the ruins of the palace of Knossos, the many rooms of which look like a labyrinth, and are filled with bull imagery.>"i don't remember everything"you know nothing>"and it doesn't really affect my point"Yes, being wrong about everything you said absolutely affects your point.
>>220726092oh my god you're such a sperg. it doesn't affect my point because my point is that it doesn't matter at all how much of the mythology came from someone else than the greeks. if my example sucks because i'm misremembering a book i read 10 years ago then fine, use your encyclopedic knowledge to replace it with a good example of a people's mythology being borrowed from foreign sources and then engage with my actual point, or don't.
Cant wait for more ticket sale losses.
>>220717686Target audience?
>>220717686Anon, you being a cultureless American swine does not mean that the rest of the world is like you.
>>220725931Wine and the cult of Dionysus predates the Greeks. It is something that comes from the Thracians. A lot of people in the region have parts of Thracian culture incorporated, sometimes it is even still practiced, just renamed as Orthodox rites.
>>220717812To be fair, that was really common during history. Depictions of Jesus and his disciples kept getting updated to the current standards of fashion and technology all the way through the medieval period, through the renaissance, through the early enlightenment and that basically only stopped happening during the victorian period, when they suddenly got interested in the past. Dinosaurs, Egypt, European history. They loved it!They got a lot of things wrong. Quite a few medieval torture methods were invented to bring in Victorian crowds to what was essentially an old timey freak show. The idea of helmets on Viking helmets is a prime example of Victorian weirdness. But it was still an improvement to the stuff that came before, like a performance of Macbeth having the characters fence on stage with rapiers, as was the style of the time. Even today, it’s real common for a movie to just be set in “the middle ages”, and mix tech from the 1100s and the 1400s, because it all “looks right”.
>>220717686athena is a bit of a bitch imo
>>220717686The movie will be mid at best.
>>220717686Fascinating.The casting is STILL retarded though.
>>220718964This, I pirated dunc and fast forward all scenes with her
>>220731185It's Nolan, that's a given.Like all Nolan flicks, it will make midwits believe they've seen an important piece of film-making.
>>220717686Greece is still around bro
>>220717686Oh well.... when you put it like that, I guess it's ok that this looks like woke dei garbage. Having an actress that can't act and looks like a tranny and an actual tranny are positive things that only make the movie better. Wow nog worship isn't retarded at all.
>>220717686Why do all her characters have the same expression?
>>220717686who is this bitch fucking?? she's getting her disgusting nose into half the movies being made this year
>>220732377Charisma and good acting skills.
>>220731674>Greece is still around broEveryone who looks like Matt Damon is an American dorist :DDDD
>>220717686Mayans and Aztecs dont exist anymore so we gonna cast niggers for them too?
>>220717686That's cool. Shan't be watching but you do you.>>220718674I'm more tired of Bogged Hathaway than Zendaya. I can't believe it's come to this but it is true.
>>220732403"Things Zendaya Doesn't Have" for 500, Alex.
>>220732828Remind me, what was the last female role in a Nolan movie requiring either?
>>220732828Fans beg to differ.
>>220719268You’re correct
>>220717686Jew
>>220717686Yeah, Jim Crow doesn't exist anymore either but I gotta hear leftists, niggers and kikes whine about that shit constantly, so suck it up.
Biblical israelites dont exist so when we getting a nigger moses?
>>220724850The foreigners are the jews.They invented Marxism
low energy chud thread if you dont like it make ur own odysee
>>220734299real negroes know
>>220719268Based assessment
>>220717686Why is it that every movie role Zendaya is in she's made to look barefaced and sloppy?
>>220717686Homer is still part of western culture, which you shitskins keep stealing.
>>220717686It's part of the mitochondrial DNA of Western civilization. OP is a lying faggot.
>>220717763This.
>>220719111He's right. There are Roman authors like Juvenal crying about (((Hellenes))) flooding into Rome shitting up the place. Even Cicero, a noted Grecophile, complained about this. Greek names start to outnumber Latin ones in funerary inscriptions by the imperial era in many districts of Rome. These weren't all "Greek" Greeks either. By this time a third of the Middle East was culturally Hellenic.To quote Juvenal:"The Syrian Orontes has long since flowed into the Tiber." The Orontes being a river near Antioch, and Tiber of course flowing throw Rome.
>>220717763this
>>220717686Bronze age Mycaenean civilisation died out in the 12th century BC collapse.
>>220717686Look at the US capitol building and tell me ancient Greek culture isn't alive and well. Retard.
>>220733331>Fanslol
>>220717686Why do the giants wear armors?
>>220718519>shakespeare wrote a play based on homer,William Shakespeare’s Troilus and Cressida is his primary play directly inspired by the ancient Greek epics of Homer and based on The Illiad.
>>220717686>talking about cultureshow hand
>>220717763niggers there would make sense, hence why not done this way
Don't care, wasn't gonna watch it either way.
>>220717686I want to smash this ugly brown bitches face in with a hammer mmkaaaay?
>>220717763You're such a dumbasshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Brother,_Where_Art_Thou%3Fhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(2009_film)
>>220717686what the fuck is this piece of shit?
>>220717763>add Cardi B as Helen of Troy.not a bad choice.
>>220717686Doesn't matter. What matters is that the men and women portraying these fictional characters are easy on the eye.This bitch looks like some benefit scrounger from a council estate.
>>220717686The Odyssey and Iliad belong to the people of Greece. The Iliad and Odyssey most certainly does not belong to feminists.
>>220739397>The Iliad and Odyssey most certainly does not belong to feminists.JA.
>>220739397I expect to live a fuck of a long time before seeing another smarmily bad-faith a post as this. On any subject.
>>220739397Does Harry potter belong to everyone in England?
>>220739420why he's not armored as a hoplite? or armed with a xiphos?
>>220739433To honest white English landholders, anon, as it should be.
>>220739420Odysseus is specifically described as short, stocky and heavily bearded.
>>220739438He just parked his chariot outside your dwelling.What do?
>>220739171Athena, our queen.
>>220739171What emotion does this expression convey?
>>220717686I understand why niggers and spics wouldn't be able to relate to having ancestors to look up to for their greatness, but you have to understand that it's not the same for ensouled humans.
>>220717763/thread
>>220739397>the people of Greecewho could claim ownership of The Odyssey are all dead.Replaced by Christians of a completely different culture and language.
>>220717763>then why use armors and swords. just add guns.this is why Romeo + Juliet works.Or take A Knight's Tale, as soon as We Will Rock You starts playing you buy all other anachronisms because the tone has been set. Meanwhile Nolan is talking about only using period accurate instruments for the soundtrack. He doesn't seem to know what he's trying to do.
>>220717686cool story bro
>>220717686Heritage is a part of culture.
>>220717847Reminder that the most celebrated greek character was played by a dirty mexican.
>>220740351GOTTEMYOU GOTTEM
>>220717686Zendaya and Lupita make more sense than any of the whitoids they got to play med characters.
>>220718988Haplogroups, anon.
>>220717686Δε γαμιεσαι βρε μαλακα
>>220717686>>220717812>ODYSSEY HAS NEVER BEEN HISTORICALLY ACCURATE SO I CAN DO ANYTHING>*makes everything gay and lame*the fucking costumes look like shit, like plastic toys that wouldn't be out of place in a live action He-man adaptation.It is a high budget shitpost.
>>220717686You're just rationalizing stealing someone else's shit instead of owning up to your own. Get your own culture, parasite.
>>220717686you are a jew
