The Trade Federation's blockade of Naboo is stupid and I'm sick of people trying to use the "opening crawl" as a defense for it. How does blockading a planet remove taxes from trade routes? Naboo has no sway on the Galactic Senate seeing as they are unable to get the Republic to stop the blockade or even believe the subsequent invasion. (Also weird how it's legal for members of the same government to blockade eachother). Naboo isn't negatively harmed by the blockade so it isn't a good candidate for showing off the Federation's power. The only explanation I ever get from fans is that "Sheev made them do it," which is stupid since Sheev is dependent on the Federation's resources not the other way around. The film pretends Sheev has massive leverage on the Trade Federation but we are never given any reason why they would trust Sheev enough to follow this dumb plan. You would think that a massive monopolistic corporation with it's own droid army would have at least a dozen other options to convince the republic to rescind taxation of their trade routes. They could raise prices to make up for deficit and tell anyone upset with the prices to take it up with the republic. They could lobby the senate to remove the taxes, We are shown the Trade Federation has enough sway to hold off an investigation into the invasion, yet for some reason can't get taxes overturned. Or, and I know this sounds crazy, maybe they could refuse to pay the republic any taxes. The Republic has no army to enforce its will, so why even bother paying the taxes at all? Save us an entire movie and get to the clone wars already. There's no problem that the events of the film are incited by tax disputes but to try and dispute these taxes with a blockade is asinine.
>>220720041>crashing out over tax policy technicalities of a kid's pewpew space franchise
>>220720290why do you think calling it a kid's movie voids all criticism?
>>220720041>The film pretends Sheev has massive leverage on the Trade Federation but we are never given any reason why they would trust Sheev enough to follow this dumb planIf Sheev told YOU to do something would you have the balls to say NO? Fucking midwit
>>220720041>The film pretends Darth Vader has massive leverage on Cloud City but we are never given any reason why Lando would trust Vader enough to follow this dumb planThe Sith Lords do whatever they want. Cycle of life, the strong eat the weak
>>220720041You just don't get it, probably aren't smart enough to ever get it. That's okay though, the world needs janitors and laborers, so don't despair!>vnr
>>220720041>Naboo is the most important source of industrial plasma that is needed for every kind of hyperspace travel>only source is in a bookAll it needed was one fucking sentence of Amidala or Sheev about it's importance in front of the Senate and this stupid discussion wouldn't even happen.Thanks George.
Nah, I think you're reading too far into it. The easier criticism is that they hold the blockade but when the one ship they absolutely 100% do not need to get through gets through they drop it so the film can easily let them back onto Naboo. This also leaves their one lynchpin ship protecting their two most important individuals alone because "they control the hangars"(a non-movie explanation) in a universe full of craft capable of landing anywhere, as seen by the Trade Federation themselves landing everywhere. There is absolutely zero reason for them to drop the blockade and the film offere zero explanations, the entire plotpoint is dropped
>>220722066Vader has the entirety of the Empire at his disposal. What does Sheev havee as Sideous? Literally nothing.
>>220722380If Sheev told you to drink his piss you would not dare refuse his generous offer
>>220720041>Naboo has no sway on the Galactic SenateNaboo is a fucking sector capital, you dingus
>>220722380Sheev has skills you cannot begin to imagine, useful in many applications
>>220722895>>220723006>>220720726This is some retard tier thinking
>>220722278Did you know that Naboo was the most important source of industrial plasma that is needed for every kind of hyperspace travel?
>>220722380Uhhh maybe Sheev could do Sith mind tricks to influence the Nemoidians across long distances. Maybe a stretch by standards of prequel stupidity, but not at all by sequel stupidity
>>220723649The only retard here is you>No Sheev. I don't think I will drink your piss-ACK!!
>>220720041The Trade Federation became convinced that the Senate was taxing them too highly on the trade routes that fund their organization, so the Federation demonstrated their leverage in owning a fleet to blockade a Senate planet in order to get these taxes lightened. They chose Naboo because it’s Palpatine’s home planet and Sidious advised them to do so for his plan
Which is to say, the Trade Federation was trying to create a situation where it cost the Senate more money to leave Naboo blockaded, than they would lose by lightening the taxes. (If you demand $20Z in space taxes from us, we'll cost you $40Z in damages, how about you just go back down to $10Z like before?) Palpatine had the Trade Federation blockade his home planet Naboo, so he could be the one to lead the charge in resolving this conflict because he would logically be the person most interested in the well-being of his home planet. Which of course springboards him into Supreme Chancellorship and Emperorhood
>>220724326This is incorrect, the Trade Federation actually wanted the trade routes to be taxed more heavily because the trade going to the Outer Systems was outside their monopoly, which Chancellor Palpatine had maneuvered them into (this is why they were mad at Naboo in particular).But they also owned a shell company on Naboo so the Senate said it was a domestic affair.
Which is not only the mechanics of a blockade and military negotiation of trade routes and border crossing deals, but is also the basic mechanics of a work strike or a union effort
>>220724360Oh well then I have this all wrong and it doesn't make sense to me anymore.
>>220722380>What does Sheev havee as Sideous?He has UNLIMITED POWER!! No?
I'm so sick of these Star Wars threads where these fully grown adult nerds argue over stupid things. I'm sick & tired of being sick & tired of being sick & tired of Star Wars threads. Nobody cares about your stupid Trade Federation blockade logistics & reasoning behind it. Just like nobody cares that Elrond & Gandalf didn't summon the eagles to Rivendell, nor does anyone care that warp engines violate the Vulcan Science Directorate's whatever-directive and thus shouldn't exist. Get it yet?
>>220724521>Get it yet?No. Get lost Buzz Killington
>>220724521no one cares that you don’t care
>retard who doesn't understand something ironically calls it stupidA tale as old as time
>>220724766Accepting something as given is not understanding it.
>>220724393you are being trolled retardthe point is they could have just written something different and simple and nobody would have these questionsstop making shit up and/or reading wookiepedia
>>220725144>don't figure it out in any way shape or formit's cooler that it's an internal gubernatorial impasse
>>220720290>ayo im finna boutta crash out
It's been a long time but I recall the novelization explaining it better
>>220724201>>220724326Huge problem with this line of reasoning is that the Senate is shown to not give a flying fuck about the blockade in anyway. Chancellor Valorum needed to use executive overreach by sending Jedi to negotiate a peace deal because the senate didn't even care enough to vote on a motion to send arbiters to the blockade. Later in the movie most of the senate doesn't even believe Naboo was invaded making the show of force pointless. Not only this the movie makes no attempt to even show any sort of industry on Naboo that effects the greater republic. We don't know what they make, we don't know what they export or import. We can't even make a worthwhile inference because the only city we see is a capitol that has no industry nor any populace that appears remotely disadvantaged by the blockade. It's the pinnicle of tell don't show and it sucks.
>>220725867Yes this whole ploy was to create an impasse the weakling Valorum Chancellorship would be openly incompetent to solve, paving way for a really bold-looking Senator who 'just wants to defend his people' to rise up and begin a larger political career as 'the guy who takes charge to defend the people'. Sheev basically repeats this process to 'demonstrate' the need for further executive powers based in one Emperor, until he's got the CIS attacking the capital and later creating the story of a full-scale assassination attempt against the government by the Jedi
There was supposed to be a scene where sheev force chokes one of the trade Federation dudes, but Lucas thought that was too cliche.But still, the movie gives no idea of why they're so scared of an old guy in a hood
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>>220720041That's a whole lot of words just to tell us you're fucking retarded.
>>220726083This tweet is so GOATed that Elon should hand Twitter ownership to Elijah for free
>>220720041Also Palpatine isn’t reliant on Senate funding or anything, he has a banker’s fortune that’s actually there to fund him taking over the Senate. Because he took it over from a long line of secret bastards who were hoarding funds to take over the government for a long time
>>220725997>to become chancellor I will orchestrate a blockade of my planet that no one will believed happened and then an invasion that no one believed happened. This will instill no confidence in the current chancellor.
>>220726400Yes, nobody knew Palpatine was behind any of it, and the Naboo Crisis was public news. Palpatine and Amidala make a big plea for help as natives of Naboo (on behalf of the people) and the Chancellor whips his constituent Senators into publicly deciding 'we can't and don't do anything to defend poor planets attacked by our own government bodies' while the rest of the Senators and public sit there realizing this Chancellorship won't protect any of our planets. One assumes it was only a matter of our main character's heroism that the Gungans joined forces with the palace guard, destroyed the control satellite, and stopped the invasion. I mean what's a Sith Lord like Sheev care if the planet's destroyed? I'll bet it would have been even faster for him to rise to Emperorship if the Senate fall to planetary invasion by it's own damn Department of Trade lmao. Probably set the old bastard back years.
>>220726530I'll bet it would have been even faster for him to rise to Emperorship if the Senate let one of their own Senate planets* fall to planetary invasion by it's own damn Department of Trade
>>220720041Look it was written so Georgie could make bank on all the toys, food brand deals and video games they madeNo one cares about the storyDon't you want your Jar Jar lolipop sucker? Yousa want to suck Jar Jar tounge?!
>>220726530>it was public newsheadcanon. prequel defense is always headcanon.
>>220720041https://youtu.be/pobw4VL8DhI?t=530
>>220726635Why, because you'd rather keep making fun of something than just have an adult thought about it? I'm not saying this in defense of George Lucas, I'm saying that if you look at this with an adult brain, that's what happened here.
>>220726738>>220726635And okay it doesn't have to be public news, but it was Senate news. That's why Palpatine brought it up to everyone and they voted on it. It wasn't unanimous. Later on Valorum is voted out on No Confidence on this precise issue, because the planet had to fend for itself against a government body (The Trade Federation). Because no matter what the Valorum Senate says, the Invasion of Naboo WAS real whether it succeeded or not, and that's easily provable in the aftermath (which it was, and is what happened, which provokes the successful vote of No Confidence against Valorum!)
>>220720041The trade federation makes money by shipping goods. Taxes cut into the margins. The senate imposed taxes on routes passing through/starting at naboo. So by blockading the planet:>Naboo loses out on export revenue>Naboo can't import vital goodsAnd thus comes begging to the senate to do something. That something was supposed to be: reverse the taxes they imposed. Enter Darth Sidious: he wants to gain power by making the senate seem weak and incompetent. Which he'd accomplish through this crisis either way: the Senate can give in to the trade federation demands which emboldens the trade federation more, let naboo fend for itself which undermines it's own credibility, or use force which would ultimately result in separatist forces.As far as fictional intrigues go it's remarkably coherent and smartly written. No modern writer's room could come up with something like it and if the prequels had been a HBO show centered around galactic politics it'd be up there with the wire, sopranos and early GoT as one of the GOATs.
>>220726821>>220726738the entire senate part of the blockade/invasion plotline is the senate not believing the claim that naboo was being blockaded/invaded were legitimate. that's why the plotline falls apart into complete and total nonsense.
>>220726992Yeah they did a really good job with this one even if it takes a bit of political interest to figure out
>>220727034It stands to immediate reason the Senate became aware of the truth after an entire war was carried out and the government of Naboo were able to escape the blockade
>>220725997It's a problem that no one in the republic even cared to solve. No one was scared of the TF. The only people affected were the people of Naboo and no one even cared. That's the problem. The crisis isn't even a real crisis in the eyes of most the republic. Hell why people pivoted to voting for Palpatine made no sense. Why would a galactic federation that literally didn't believe Naboo was invaded think to vote for someone from that planet as Chancellor. That's the problem with TPM's politics, they only make sense if you take them at face value but actually try to apply what's being said and it all falls apart.
>>220727087>it stands to reason [headcanon]every single time
>>220727089>>220727106The only reason the Senate weren't aware of it, was because their leadership was denying its own investigation because it didn't want to bother. Then the Senate finds out when the invasion actually happens and the leadership can't cover it up, so they get voted out.
>>220726530>the Naboo Crisis was public newsPublic news no one cared about. Or are we just ignoring that Chancellor Valorum had to get the Jedi involved because of Senate inaction? Remember even Sidious admits that he didn't expect the Jedi to even get involved.>the rest of the Senators and public sit there realizing this Chancellorship won't protect any of our planets.Yet none of those planets said any sort of objection to an investigation into the matter. They were happy to capitulate to the TF and have an independent convoy investigate the legitamacy of Padme's claims. They only started caring after Padme sent a vote of no confidence. You'd think that the objects would have exploded the moment the request for an investigation was brought up but this isn't the case. The senate doesn't see Naboo's blockade or even it's invasion as a threat to themselves until for some reason after Padme straight demands they vote out Valorum.
>>220727173>[more headcanon]
>>220727181The Senate initially didn't care because they preferred to assume everything was safe and something like that couldn't happen (after all it is a ridiculous claim at first), but then after a countryside got cratered, lives were lost, and a government superweapon was blown up in orbit for trying to invade a senate planet, they realized there was a real problem
>>220727173>The only reason the Senate weren't aware of it, was because their leadership was denying its own investigationThey were completely aware of the blockade. This was already established and the Senate literally didn't care. Hense why the Jedi were asked to intervene by the Chancellor.>Then the Senate finds out when the invasion actually happens and the leadership can't cover it up, so they get voted out.They were literally happy to let the investigation happen. The uproar didn't occur until after Padme threw a hissyfit which makes less sense. You've got the senate sitting there aware that Naboo is blockaded then in comes their Leader crying about how her planet was invaded which already looks weird since they are on Coruscant which implies there is no blockade. Your average Senator giving the previous actions taken by the Senate wouldn't give a shit about Valorum's inaction and instead would be on his side.
>>220727242>>220727106I'm not kidding when I ask, do you watch movies just to check for its internal accuracy, or don't you fill in blanks according to your own understanding? Do you believe in subtext?
>>220726668>WAAH>WHY DOES THE REBULIC HAVE A QUEEN IN IT?Stopped watching there. Sorry I tried
>>220727306anon that was a trade federation ship. the galactic republic didn't have a military. nothing was ever "cratered" on naboo. a bunch of jive frogmen fought a bunch of robots in an open field far from anything.
>>220727356You're autistic. You can't perceive subtext. There is no actual subtext in the prequels, just overtly stupid shit, that instead of making excuses for, most people just called stupid. you are working harder to make three completely nonsensical movies make sense than george did writing them.
>>220720041Its perfectly plausible to have a stupid leader making a blockade to force a target nation doing something he wants, even if said blockade fails miserably. Its 2016 and you should know this by now.
>>220727403>*2026Funny mistake though
>>220727306>then after a countryside got crateredThis didn't happen unless you're talking about the mostly uncontested invasion. More importantly Padme has no proof apart from Jedi testimony and even then the Senate was happy to have a third party investigation legitamize the claims.>lives were lostNo proof, even the fucking movie can't bother to show this>and a government superweapon was blown up in orbit When the fuck did this happen prior to Valorum's vote of no confidence?>for trying to invade a senate planet,Which the majority of the Senate didn't believe even with Padme's testimony>they realized there was a real problemWhich comes completely out of nowhere. That's the problem. They can't be indifferent and then change on a dime with literally no proof but a single leader crying "no confidence!"
>>220727403blockades being real things doesn't mean the blockade of the prequels made any sense.
>>220727356Your inferences don't maintain internal logical consistency when paired with the evidence in the film. That's the fucking reason its headcanon
>>220727385You know what you're right I assume the Trade Federation is a government body but it might be more like a really powerful Guild, either way I think downplaying a blockade is a lot easier then denying invasion for a Senate.
Roman republic had client monarchs like Cleopatra. Politicians would machinate to restrict grain trade so plebs would blame other politicians for the lack of bread.Lucas was trying to do a cool Rome thing but it just didn't work.
reddit thread, no one likes this shitgo back, you faggot jeet niggers
>>220727403There's a big difference between blockading a nation you are actively at war with and blockading a random fucking planet no one trades with to get tariffs removed. You know that.
>>220727400>no subtextwtf lmfao how do you believe this? it's a uniquely empty film? its a fucking film man we all draw associations just because it didn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for someone who has an idea of how this would happen. get a clue man
>>220727491>it's a uniquely empty filmYes. The prequels are quite uniquely empty. at least as far as film goes. usually such threadbare scripts don't get made into movies.
>>220727473>I assumeYou mean you ignored how "the trade federation" was really just the one not-chink species and they had a seat in the republic. which meant they were basically equal to naboo as far as republic influence goes.
>>220727400>I am working harder to make three completely sensical movies make less sense than george did writing themftfy
>>220727488>they were being played by (((sidious)))No RL similarities here at all.
>>220727560Anon. Usually only browns work that hard for an empty "no you." ya know, because they're retarded.
>>220727572You're a true moron.
>>220727435>the mostly uncontested invasionThe invasion failed, dumbass. The TF flagship was destroyed, destroying all the ground forces, the planetary palace was stormed by TF robots and the royal guard and the queen had to shoot them off. The Naboo defense won, and they wrote the history. Naboo gets to come back and report they just had to defend themselves against planetary invasion.>No proofYeah no proof of an invasion, got it>When the fuck did this happen prior to Valorum's vote of no confidenceThe Trade Federation Droid Control Ship - Anakin blew it up by spinning>Which comes completely out of nowhere. At first there was only reports of an invasion, but now there is a complete and finalized war, which ended with a formal result and more proof than just a two-man Jedi investigation.
>>220727545Right, they were in some position where the government wouldn't want to take sides, but when they're finally proven to be the real aggressor and lose an aggressive war trying to invade a planet, the story changes. Even if people were aware of an invasion beforehand.,
>>220727646the trade federation is still a part of the galactic senate after tpm/aotc
>>220727441>blockades being real thingsHoly shit blockades are real? HOW IS THIS LEGAL?Are the Death Stars real too? IS THE FORCE REAL?
>>220727621Nigger the vote of no confidence occured before ANY OF THE THOSE EVENTS! So the senators voted to oust Vallorum and elect Palpatine before any of that shit could influence their decisions.Fuck off, if a fucking prequel tard doesn't even understand the fucking sequence of events in the film he's defending then I quit. Literal retards can understand how a sequence work yet fucking prequeltards can't even remember what happens in the films they love.
>>220727508>Yes. The prequels are quite uniquely emptyDude I don't even care about Star Wars or George Lucas, the guy is a fucking rube, just look at what the actual science-fiction writers of his time were saying about him. But no, Star Wars is not magically beyond the realm of subtext and basic association.
>>220727621>The TF flagship was destroyedi like the part where a blockade would require hundreds, if not thousands of ships, and according to the OP image, they're all identical. but one gets destroyed, by accident, and that stops all the robots, which also randomly go from being remote controlled to autonomous as the plot requires.
>>220727572Yeah at least Israel could give a reason to do it>TAKE OUT THE CHINK'S OIL SUPPLY!Where Sidious's best argument is>This will get those taxes removed my Nigmodian
>>220727701The prequels are, as they were written by a guy with no capacity for subtext. a guy who had a lot of help writing the original trilogy.
>>220727596>ya know, because i'm retardedftfy
>>220727702Its a contrivance but yeah it's their flagship. Its corny as shit but it's the same trick they used in IV to allow one single fighter to destroy an entire army in one trench run. That's what Star Wars is made of.
>>220727725>he went for the fabled double no you
How is this complicated?>initial situation is that a poor innocent idyllic planet is blockaded by an autistic mechanized faction which causes a DISRUPTION>we then learn that the Republic is effectively powerless to prevent this, which conveys that it is UNABLE TO FUNCTION and protect its citizens, which means the current chancellor is a LOSER and VOTESPIKED out of his position>Palpatine, a senator from that very planet, uses the situation to PITYMAX in the senate and ASCEND in the rankings>whether the "blockade" is successful or not or gets resolved or not is of no consequence whatsoever since Palpatine controls BOTH SIDES of the situation to his advantage>he successfully MACHIAVELLIMAXXED and replaced the Jedi as the PROTAGONIST of the prequels>the Jedi are CHOPPED and descend in the rankings and are on the backfooting for three moviesThat's all you need to know about what's going on
>>220727729>but its vaguely similar to the OT if you ignore all the details!
>>220727758>noooo stop looking at the details just pay attention to the vibe noooo
>>220727724who cares about George Lucas or anyone who's ever written Star Wars. None of this is about me supporting their vision or not, I've long assumed George never got the full picture of what he was trying to say, because he's a damned engineer and a phony recreational hippie philosopher, not an artist. So beyond all that, this is a story about a false flag conflict that pushes a senate to fully realize they need to vote their leader out and change their way towards more of an empire approach, because some guy is manipulating all that so he can become emperor. The rest is all very possible
>>220727807I bet you were speculating about Eeko.
>>220727807Those are the details. You just keep denying anything can change in the Senate conciousness or decision-making throughout the course of this active invasion. Big change of heart can occur between an invasion starting and the invasion being completed.
>>220727810>i don't care about george lucas, i'm just defending his movies by referencing the idealized form of them and ignoring their botched execution
>>220727724>Hi I'm a guy with no capacity to grasp subtext>Which would indicate my enemies have no capacity to craft subtextseems legit
>>220727849The point is nothing actually did. In the movies. Your headcanon notwithstanding.
>>220727864The autistic confuse generating headcanon with "picking up on subtext," because they can't comprehend the latter at all, due to lack of theory of mind.
>>220727758>initial situation is that a poor innocent idyllic planet is blockaded by an autistic mechanized faction which causes a DISRUPTIONWhich only occurs because the TF think it will somehow lower taxes. This is despite the fact they fucking control the apparatus that enforces Taxes.>we then learn that the Republic is effectively powerless to prevent this,We learn the Republic just didn't give a fuck and the head Executive had to go behind their back to send Jedi as digniteries.>which conveys that it is UNABLE TO FUNCTION and protect its citizens,Aw yes the Senators that were completely inactive were upset by their own inaction and blamed the head executive that actually tried to do something>Palpatine, a senator from that very planet, uses the situation to PITYMAX in the senate and ASCEND in the rankingsWeird because no one gave a shit about Naboo two seconds ago but sure they'll vote in the guy from the planet no one cared about.>whether the "blockade" is successful or not or gets resolved or not is of no consequence whatsoever since Palpatine controls BOTH SIDES of the situation to his advantageYeah problem is the blockade shouldn't have worked either way because the crisis was seen as a nothing burger to the senate>he successfully MACHIAVELLIMAXXED and replaced the Jedi as the PROTAGONIST of the prequelsBy literally doing nothing because the Jedi and Padme saved Naboo, not him
>>220727876What headcanon? It's literally all explained in the movies.Do you need a further trilogy of movies for every line every character says?>the filed a motion for a vote of no confidence>YEAH BRO BUT WHAT MOTION WHAT IS THE WORDING OF THE MOTION WHO FILED IT WHO SIGNED OFF ON IT, I NEED TO SEE THE TEXT OF THE MOTION IN AUREBESH I'LL TRANSLATE IT MYSELF THANK YOU VERY MUCH
>>220727855When I say I don't care about George Lucas, I mean I don't fucking care about George Lucas. I don't care if in your mind he gets another piss in some ocean of his sense of self-artistry. I see some shit or remember some old bullshit I saw when I was a kid, and I say 'I can see how that would happen' if that's the way it is. I'm not going to let my average human judgement of a storyline be censored by the 'threat' of George fucking Lucas getting anything good or bad out of it. I'm telling you I don't fucking care.
>>220727947You are now generating headcanon about why people call the prequels stupid.
>>220727907The TF is in fact retarded I will say that. There is some real financial pressure argument they might be making with their unauthorized action, but it's retarded by definition because it's purely trade-minded shit
>>220727931we need to see the senate actually give a shit about an event. They do not, at any point. the jive spacefrog pushes for no confidence and gets support and that's it.
>>220727907You're still not getting it.The entire Naboo situation served ONLY to elect Palpatine. How it resolved is of no consequence, the particulars are also of no consequence.You're still looking at TPM from the perspective of the Jedi/Padme and confused about the why and the details. That's by design because at that point in the saga it's still a mystery as to why any of it happened. You learn LATER that Palpatine orchestrated it so he can grab power.You also learn LATER that he manipulated the Trade Federation as well.
>>220727970I'm responding to someone who keeps telling me to quit thinking this way because it 'defends George Lucas'.
>>220727931>We have no confidence in you Chancellor!>Why?>Because you won't do anything!>I used my executive powers to send an arbitration and now the Judicial system will not let me act because I need legitamate proof before acting further without Senatorial approval>.... but like you should do something!>So you want me to break the law and be a dicatator?>.....
>>220727998No, you aren't.
>>220727995The Senate are self-destroying retard libs who ironically wisely vote for Imperialism for the very reason that they have learned to hate their own uselessness. Some of the Senate vote in willingly, some vote out of fear of continued war, some vote out of fecklessness, the rest become Rebels and become militant themselves.
>>220727995Can you not read the room or take in the context?The Republic was dysfunctional. That should be your takeaway. Palpatine uses that to grab power and ONCE he grabs power he further creates a conflict with the CIS and provides an army for the Republic by proxy.He took advantage specifically of the Republic being weak and easily manipulated to grab power.I mean that's THE story of the prequels and you're going "gee I don't get this because the Republic is so ineffective". Like that's the whole point.How can you even parse regular movies if this is confusing you?
>>220728043>[buzzword soup]great. go back to generating headcanon plase.
>>220728027Get a grip
>>220720041Okay. But what is their tax policy?
>>220728008>still not getting that the senate is ineffective and easy swayed by a master manipulatorPalpatine grabs power specifically because the senate is like that. Do you get it? If the senate was functional and worked properly he would not be able to do so. Get it?
>>220728051>an autistic person talks about reading the room and understanding context
>>220728055I was trying to speak your language for a second. No use talking to a guy who always finds a distraction anyways.
>>220728071So now you're at the biggest problem of the prequels. The "plot," such as it is, makes no internal or external sense at all. Until you include the omniscient space wizard able to manipulate anyone, anywhere, completely anonymously. Being actively ignored by the one group who could do something about it, until the last few minutes of the final prequel.
>>220728008>senate, in unison - wow this shit sucks i wish we had a chancellor who would just defend a fucking planet, hey anyone want to look at that vote of no confidence again?
>>220728056No, (you).
>>220720041why is the US blockading cuba when cuba has no real ability to sway the UN to influence the taxes on national trade routes?
>>220728008yes actually that's the process by which the Senate becomes acclimated to vote in a dictator. You actually fucking got it lmfao
I think George Lucas was pandering to the children who were inevitably going to become smart people, like accountants. Such children can indeed take an interest in a galactic tax policy, even at the tender age of 8.
>>220728093you were trying to talk down to someone who is objectively superior to you, and looked the damn fool.
>>220728136Haha ooo
>>220728126Well yeah but the way to do that is give them cheapo early poli-sci questions in his story, which is what he did. And it's not very expensive
>>220728169What he failed to do is tell them that most of these questions are unanswerable, even for the adult people who deal with them first-hand.
>>220727997>The entire Naboo situation served ONLY to elect PalpatineAnd you don't seem to understand that the situation would not realistically work for a myriad of reasons. What happens if the TF decides to lobby the Senate instead of blockading Naboo? What if the TF just raise their prices? What if Valorum did actually balls up and break the law to go around the Judicial system's rules? What if the senate that doesn't give a shit about Naboo votes for someone other than Palpatine because as shown in the movie no one cares about Naboo?
>>220728075Only an autist would argue the Republic was an effective functional system
>>220728229I'm not following this non-intrigue at all.
>>220728215Well isn't writing the Jedi to fall, despite all their good intentions and being a basic conceptualization of 'very good government guys who just can't solve a problem', an admission 'yeah this system doesn't work'? He offers that, even if the reasoning for the Jedi's fall has confounded fans as much as the reason for government's fall has confounded others?
>>220728123So I guess they'd have voted out Palpatine when he failed to actually stop the TF in the event Maul kills the Jedi and the Queen is killed?
>>220728229Obviously not all of this was planned for (and doesn't really need to be planned for, though I get what you are saying) but>what happens if the TF decides to lobby the Senate instead of blockading Naboo? Then the Senate is now majority aligned to an invasive military faction controlled by Palpatine>What if the TF just raise their prices? Palpatine didn't ask them to (yes the TF are total fucking mark simps, yes Palpatine is a magic deus ex machine who waves hands and does what he wants, I'm not going to argue against that)>What if Valorum did actually balls up and break the law to go around the Judicial system's rules? This would probably put a wrench in things, yes this is where Palpatine's plan is an educated gamble that the Chancellor is really all that weak, though its within his power to really know that he is from experience>What if the senate that doesn't give a shit about Naboo votes for someone other than Palpatine because as shown in the movie no one cares about Naboo?Then Palpatine can just attack more planets and take over as much of the galaxy as he wants until the Senate is desperate enough to vote a guy like him in, or he can just rule as the invader
>>220728266If that was the case then that means a Senate-planet's Queen was killed during an Invasion denied by the Senate. Remember nobody knows Palpatine is behind any of this and in fact Palpatine is lined up to be the chief Senate victim of the invasion if Padme dies.>if the TF win the invasion and Palpatine can't stop themPalpatine controls the TF, he can tell them to back off, destroy them with space magic or intrigue, or actually in fact if elected Chancellor make it legal (handshake deal and photo op? peace at last!)
>>220728229You did not watch the films>What happens if the TF decides to lobby the Senate instead of blockading Naboo?Sheev would not allow it at all so the Jew Federation felt forced to suck his wang like pathetic cuckwads>What if the TF just raise their prices?Sheev would not allow it at all so the Jew Federation felt forced to eat his farts like cuckwads>What if Valorum did actually balls up and break the law to go around the Judicial system's rules?He did actually. Sadly the Senate did not care because they're mostly composed of ineffective banthabrained fools>What if the senate that doesn't give a shit about Naboo votes for someone other than Palpatine?Sheev would not allow it. He already had most of the Senate in his pocket because of bribery and Sith mind fuckery etc
>The Empire>The Republic>Voting systems>Tax policiesStar Wars is indeed a metaphor for something, but in all this time, no one has really nailed it down, as far as I can tell.If you ask me, it's a paean against America becoming an empire, which is what led to Rome's downfall.Looking at current events, America is fast becoming the Empire, with no end in sight. Economic projections for the next decade show America still leading as the largest economy on planet Earth, despite China's economy of scale. This is a recipe for continued power-grabs on the part of America throughout the world.
>>220728492Yuppie boomer poorly apes hippies and zen buddhists for his flash gordon movies around the 80s, struggles becoming a neolib around the 2000s says our politicians need to be stronger against the right. All you need to know
>>220728564How did you know my mom was a hippie and zen buddhist?
>>220728591Lol but its not a rare story is it
JAR JAR USE-A DA BOOBA
>>220728492I think a girl should survive being bullied by a white incel while flirting with but ultimately dumping a black runaway and then we can cry our asses off while our feminist grandmothers commit suicide on the run and the men just kill themselves and then we kill the bad boys after redeeming them and then we fight the zombie of our granddad and then realize we are our grandad and look into the distance and say 'i am the boy i killed'sounds better actually when i say it like that
>>220728738I'm sorry you didn't understand half the things I wrote. But this is not my problem.
>>220728784I was making fun of how the ST answers the complex 'what causes a civilization to fall' question with an incoherent string of indentation fuck-ups
>>220728822identitarian* fuck ups
>>220728385>Sheev wouldn't let the TF>The TF will do what Sheev says>Sheev, Sheev, SheevGod it would be nice if we ever learned why the fuck the TF cares what the fuck Sheev says.
>>220729024Oh for sure. I assume its because they are asian
>>220728257Is he in the room with you right now?
>>220728126What george was going for was “all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” The issue is the “good men” of his story actively did the opposite of nothing, uselessly, despite being able to do something of worth.
>>220729264Well idle hands are the devils playthings after all hah!
>>220729024he’s an evil omniscient space wizard. that’s the actual plot of the prequels. A wizard did it.
>>220728654I get why people don't all like Jar Jar Binks. I don't get why this leads them to hate the entire Gungan race. Captain Torpols and Boss Nash were refreshingly based breaths of fresh air imo. Their underwater city was quite spectacular too>>220729024>you know what would be nice?>if we ever learned why the fuck the TF cares what the fuck Sheev saysFor the exact same reason you'd reluctantly castrate yourself if Sheev requested you do so. Without the slightest shred of objection on your end, because somehow you'd fear the alternative of rejecting his request will lead you to an even worse fate. He's a very big, very scary guytldr: Sheev is simply THAT big. You never say no to a guy that big unless you're fucking retarded or something
>>220729397>I get why people don't all like Jar Jar Binksi thought he fit in the universe nicely
>>220729427>>220729397It's a matter of renewed conflict against queer activity. We won't be seen as babies here in fact we got into Star Wars because we're a bunch of spacefaring technicians as a matter of fact! Rub my face in de poo poo with you!?
>>220720041It's not mentioned in the movie(s) tho subtly hinted at. It's more clear in other media.Naboo was a key strategic point to begin with but also opposed the trade federation in the senate. It's been a while but I forget if they ruined some impactful vote, etc.But the Trade Federations goal was to showcase how little power the current senate has an smaller planets are feeding the machine to support the powerhouses. they prevented all trade to Naboo and nobody made an effort to stop them besides the Jedi. This hammered home the selling point of the Separatist movement. Why bow to, appease, and feed the current senate when you're a small planet far away from the senates actional defense and stil must sacrifice your people for galactic peace by senate terms. The separatist/federation offered support and protection and all it took was dedicating land to droid facilities.ultimately, yeah, trade fed were playing chess while palpatine 4d chess.
>>220729472Anon that’s after the fact retcons, fanfiction, and headcanon. All desperate to make the prequels make sense.
>>220729580>after the fact retconsnot a thing. in a series that has content spread sporadically it's inevitable that we get details further down the road. also retcon implys the new info deletes the old which isn't what happened. reasons were revealed.
>>220729841>after the fact retcons aren’t real… george… you’re the prequelfag, aren’t (you).
>>220727838Ngl I kind of liked that guy, he stuck to his guns even though his world was burning around him.
>>220729397>Sheev is simply THAT bigThat makes sheev less compelling or interesting.
>>220729472If the movie requires supplemental material to make sense of things than its an admission of its failures in the narrative format. No, none of what you mentioned was even subtly hinted at either. The film actually goes out of its way to establish Naboo is of little importance to the wider galactic community.
>>220720041>Also weird how it's legal for members of the same government to blockade eachotherActually yeah what the fuck? That'd be like Georgia blockading Florida and the Federal Government just letting it happen.
>>220731312>Big guys can't have a mysterious allure!>Nope! Not at all!>Because...BECAUSE THEY JUST CAN'T OKAY??
>>220731531There is nothing mysterious about sheev. He’s an omniscient space wizard who wants to rule the galaxy.
>>220731727He happens to be an Intergalactic man of mystery
>>220731847We get it you have 20tb of Palpatine Porn on your hard drive.
>>220720041It shows the ineptitude of the jedi and republic army. The federation can just say "fuck you faggot" and blockade a planet, until the clone army debuted the republic was getting btfo by the confederacy and the blockade of naboo was the first step in building confidence in the confederacy for other power hungry brokers to break away from the republic
>>220731967The same fucking bullshit would have been accomplished by just secceeding.
>>220731967The republic had no army. The entire situation was maintained by an order of clairvoyant space wizards who, in the first lines of the prequels, announced they are going to actively avoid being clairvoyant space wizards, so a singular omniscient space wizard can manipulate everything so we can get to the OT as easily as possible.
>>220722219>It makes sense but I can't explain it>Just trust me
>>220731389Haha oh yes
