>>220722991
>Why the FUCK does this turn her into a retardo demon?
Because the whole thing was evil magic to begin with in the first place, stupid
Like saying "why are the mob so angry about getting their money back from me? I only wanted it to buy a sandwich"

>>220723178
>I wish for a billion dollars
Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you
>I wish she loved me
Erm sorry but instead of triggering dopamine chemicals whenever she looks at you, we actually replaced with her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon. Also btw, we actually did not even fully replace her, she is locked up in mental jail hell and sometimes she can escape and control her body too and act even crazier lol.

>>220723242
It is a clear misallignment or meaning of what love is, its all the darker things people get confused with love not love itself

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FFS HERE’S WHAT THE MOVIE ACTUALLY ROLLS WITH

THE WISH FORCIBLY REWIRES PART OF NIKKI’S BRAIN TO LOVE BEAR MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE WHILE LEAVING THE REST OF HER PERSONALITY INTACT AND FIGHTING BACK. THAT’S WHY SHE’S FRACTURED, ERRATIC, CREEPY AND SOMETIMES SELF-DESTRUCTIVE.

IT’S NOT A CLASSIC MONKEY’S PAW THAT TWISTS THE WORDS TO FUCK YOU. THE WISH BASICALLY SUCCEEDS, BUT FORCING SOMEONE TO LOVE YOU AGAINST THEIR WILL IS ALREADY A HORROR SHOW. THAT’S THE POINT.

STOP DEMANDING WISHMASTER WORDPLAY OR FULL DEMON POSSESSION. THE MOVIE SETS ITS RULE AND STICKS TO IT. IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE THAT INTERPRETATION THEN JUST SAY YOU WANTED A DIFFERENT MOVIE.

>>220722991
Because that would make a boring movie you autist

>>220723323
you fags keep saying this but the guy fucking said "love"
so again, we're back to
>uh the wish uh determined on its own that he didn't actually mean love uh by reading his mind uh

>>220723450
>STOP DEMANDING WISHMASTER WORDPLAY OR FULL DEMON POSSESSION
if bear asked the djinn for nikki to be in love with him she would've fallen in love with him but then killed him or for looking at another woman or done a murder-suicide on him and the camera would cut to her having a super worn copy of romeo and juliet in her purse or something and it would've actually made fucking sense
don't you dare compare this garbage movie to wishmaster

>>220723242
Because the whole thing was evil magic to begin with in the first place, stupid

>>220723323
>wish somehow knows exactly what billion dollars means in the correct currency for Ian
>but doesnt know what love is, the most basic of human emotions
mkay

Clearly you guys missed the point, which was that men are bad

>>220722991
because the implementation of the wish is such that it apparently cannot change who people are. It can override them with something newly created. And that newly created entity comes from Bear's idea of love. Which is possessive, desperate, insecure and unstable.

>>220723549
explain how the evil wish punishes you for asking for money by giving you the money you asked for

>>220723450
>THE WISH FORCIBLY REWIRES PART OF NIKKI’S BRAIN TO LOVE BEAR MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE WHILE LEAVING THE REST OF HER PERSONALITY INTACT AND FIGHTING BACK.
no it doesnt. she is in a hell dimension as we can see via that phone call and she literally says freaky nikki was asleep and to kill her.

>>220723566
great, but that's not what he wished for and we're going to again explain that love is based on chemicals in the brain that a scientist in a fucking lab could replicate and inject a bitch with to create love but a magical wish cannot
which is stupid
If I wished to become a vampire, is it going to tell me no because vampires aren't real? or is it just going to make me WANT to drink blood but I don't have to and giving me fangs is too difficult?

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>>220723566
see
>>220723502
>And that newly created entity comes from Bear's idea of love. Which is possessive, desperate, insecure and unstable

>>220723646
>>220723611
are you arguing love is objective? then explain BPD, explain obsessive behavior in people. If love is objective and measurable then it should have been concretely documented in science right? A is love, B is not? You don't love this person because you haven't fulfilled X metric. That kind of stuff?

The story of the movie would have made more sense if Bear had said "I wish Nikki loved me more than ANYTHING in the world." That could have explained and set up her crazy moments because then Bear is the only one and only thing she loves. She loves him so much that she stops eating, showering, using the toilet, and never takes her eyes off of him. And then starts killing any animal or person who shows the slightest affection to him.

>>220722991
>>220723242
>expecting horror films to be logical

Ngmi

>>220723699
Thats good too. Simple and effective bad wish that can logically cause the events in the movie.

>>220723693
>love is objective
For the 100th time, I'm going to point out that there no amount nor variety of love demonstrated by freaky nikki at any point, she acted like a weirdo
>then explain BPD, explain obsessive behavior in people
you mean like unstable girls who fuck people all the time, even guys they don't like?

>>220723693
>If love is objective and measurable then it should have been concretely documented in science right?
lmao it literally is. there are chemicals in the brain for about the first two years that cause teh lovey-dovey love stage.

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>>220723748
>I'm going to point out that there no amount nor variety of love demonstrated by freaky nikki at any point
That's your subjective opinion. I could say she did love him because she was all obsessive, jealous and devoted to him. Even going so far as to dress like Sarah once she knew Bear liked Sarah. Sounds like love to me.

>you mean like unstable girls who fuck people all the time, even guys they don't like?
hey they say they do it because they love the guy so much, so what does that mean?

>there are chemicals in the brain
And who is to say Nikki didn't have those? Furthermore, who is to say those chemical actually define love, instead of being a byproduct? Because by your logic, after those 2 years couples don't leave eachother anymore? Can you explain that?

>>220723450
> not a demonic possession
Then explain the phone call.

>>220723798
>I could say she did love him because she was all obsessive, jealous and devoted to him. Even going so far as to dress like Sarah once she knew Bear liked Sarah. Sounds like love to me.
wow then she probably shouldn't piss her pants and go into dead fish mode when he kisses her or puts his dick inside her, because that doesn't sound like love to me
>hey they say they do it because they love the guy so much, so what does that mean?
it says that I can do a better job at making a zoomer fall in love with me than the magical wish could
and I have

>>220723843
Her mind was being suppressed to fulfill the wish, hence why she screams oh god it burns later in the film. Her mind is literally being raped by the wish

>>220723798
>And who is to say Nikki didn't have those?
she clearly wasn't into the sex, that would honestly be the easiest thing, but that was seemingly the only part the wish couldn't cover and it brought real nikki out the wish demon's mental prison

>>220723798
>Because by your logic, after those 2 years couples don't leave eachother anymore? Can you explain that?
Lots of people do actually, they don't feel "in love" anymore so their relationship starts to fall apart because they never moved past that phase and into deeper emotional connections.

>>220723878
why can the wish rape her mind but not just make like the guy?

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Bear is relentlessly handsome.

>>220723915
Because love wasn’t her whole mind, it didn’t erase who she was. It just forced her to put loving him above everything else.

>>220723878
why does the wish not completely banish nikki? why does it work so shittily?

>>220723869
>wow then she probably shouldn't piss her pants and go into dead fish mode when he kisses her or puts his dick inside her, because that doesn't sound like love to me
Well you could argue that Nikki loves waiting for Bear more than taking care of herself because she loves him 'more than anything' as per the wish.
>it says that I can do a better job at making a zoomer fall in love with me than the magical wish could
and I have
Congratulations anon we all think you're very cool here on 4chan.

>>220723903
okay but we're not talking about what happened with your own personal relations this is about regular people.

What's a useful wish that can't be monkey paw'd?

>>220723959
>It just forced her to put loving him above everything else.
which is why she couldn't kiss him or fuck him without spazzing out?
you have no idea how to explain this movie
just say you liked it and stop trying to argue it wasn't dumb, because it was
you can like dumb movies

>>220723878
Then why can she talk when “it” is asleep

>>220723978
>Well you could argue that Nikki loves waiting for Bear more than taking care of herself because she loves him 'more than anything' as per the wish.
No, you couldn't argue that
you cannot argue that she was in love with him up until they fucked, because that breaks the spells or whatever
because along not enjoying sex with him, she also just acts like a fucking schizo instead of like an super clingy girlfriend or whatever

>>220723996
Thats how it works. Its literally the twist of the film

>>220723978
>'more than anything' as per the wish.
it was ANYONE not ANYTHING

>>220724009
Because her mind coexists woth it, and it shuts down while asleep. Its justbwhen awake it suppresses her will hard to prioritize loving bear. Gues the film argues sometimes she can slip through. Why and when Im not entirely sure.

>>220724027
it's not a fucking twist
he wished for nikki to fall in love with him, and she didn't
that would be the twist, only the movie doesn't seem to realize it's retarded, and neither do you
if there had a warning about how you shouldn't try to fuck with people's minds or something, great, but there wasn't
the guy who wished for money just got money
there is no reason you shouldn't just get love if you wish for it

>>220724053
So it is a demonic possession then.

>>220724057
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sui generis you nitpicking midwits

Does working in a musical instrument store pay well these assholes all had homes and partied all the time

>>220722991
Bear doesn’t even get his wish which is complete bullshit.

>>220724026
>you cannot argue that she was in love with him
yes i can because Bear believed it. Again, the only one whose interpretation of 'love' matters is Bear's. Bear clearly doesn't care if Nikki enjoys sex, does he. He was completely under the impression Nikki loved him, so, it worked, even when she was creepy, cooked his cat, screamed, cried, acted insane. He was full into it only until Sarah got murdered.

>>220724046
So she loves Bear more than herself, even when she is in danger or needs to take care of herself

>>220723178
When was this ever implied? His friends wish came true fine and the clerk's

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>>220722991
>extremely hot girl somehow
>is friends with 3 losers
>fucks the fat guy of the group
>has feelings for the incel of the group
Explain, zoomers.

>>220724071
Idk what it is, I don't think its malicious so not sure I'd call it a demon

>>220724091
>He was full into it only until Sarah got murdered.
no he isn't, he panic and looked at her like she was turning into a werewolf half the time

>>220724106
It is malicious because it forces Niki to “love” Bear

>>220724097
She's a latina with daddy issues. Any white man is an upgrade from her beaner father who probably raped her.

>>220724083
oh I know, maybe next we can spend 100 posts debating if it was LE DEMON, won't that be interesting!

>>220724091
>Again, the only one whose interpretation of 'love' matters is Bear's
Where the fuck is that retarded word play hinted at in the movie? Its inconsistent as fuck. Ian gets a billion dollars, how do you know he wasn't thinking about a direct deposit or in gold form or in bitcoin or in stocks or in cars. You cant admit the mechanics of the wish was poorly thought out and the director needed to move the film along by having the wish not work logically.

>>220722991
I find it very funny that threads have not moved past this *incredibly* trivial point.
Fixation on the grammar and syntax of the wish, insisting on controversy as though it is the question which makes or breaks the movie, only demonstrates once that this site is full of autists who don't enjoy movies.
Move past it. Suspend your disbelief. Hold a headcanon where the wording is different for fucks sake. Just roll with the premise and watch the fucking movie.

>>220724136
What if the move is not good?

No one in these general threads about this dumb movie that have been going for over a week has ever been able to explain why the first thing wish-possessed Nikki does is show up at Bear's house and lie about her dad dying as an excuse to hang out instead of just asking to hang out

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>>220724118
Meant to include pic related
>>220724115
The store clerk and reddit posts inplied wish went well so its not really a monkey paw situation, just thebwish bear made was evil

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>>220724130
>Where the fuck is that retarded word play hinted at in the movie?
its logical because love is SUBJECTIVE. So the wish needs a subjective interpretation of it, which takes it from Bear.
You could argue Ian's wish is also subjective because he doesn't specify currency and method of delivery, so if his intent was for it to rain dollar bills then the wish did exactly that.
Dunno why you're being so autistic about it. How else would you fulfill a subjective wish?
If someone wished to be 'happy' , according to whose opinion should they be happy? Their own. Dumbass.

>>220724136
If the director could not spend two minutes thinking up of a better wording for the wish that anchors the entire movie, maybe the movie's shit?

>>220724136
>Move past it. Suspend your disbelief. Hold a headcanon where the wording is different for fucks sake. Just roll with the premise and watch the fucking movie.
You're acting like this is a masterpiece worthy of its minor little flaws being overlooked.
It's an extremely rote premise and it's not executed in a unique way or even all that well, and it's not like incredibly scary or full of gratuitous nudity or in any more visceral than the past decade of zoomer horror
And headcanon is fucking gay

>>220724148
But the rules said it was ok.

>>220722991
>So why the fuck does that break her down and cause her to malfunction?
She wasn't being "normal" she just wasn't being a problem. She was obsessed with Bear and lied about her dad dying to get him without delay.
The cracks start showing here I think because that's the vicious cycle of these situations IRL. Trust is violated -> feels threat of abandonment -> freak out/ scramble to regain control -> trust is violated

>>220724161
>its logical because love is SUBJECTIVE.
for the last time, no
women like men who remind them of their dads almost universally, even if their dad raped them at some point
men like women who remind them of their moms almost universally, ESPECIALLY if their mom raped them at some point
it's incredibly subjective, it's also based almost entirely on smell in case you didn't know

>>220724161
>duuuuuuuuuuuur its based on bears definition of love and what he likes!!!
then the demon proceeds to do just about everything that bear DOES NOT LIKE lmao

>>220724210
>for the last time, no
for the last time, yes retard. Otherwise provide me the metric of love right now. Come on. What are the measurable units.
>>220724232
Yes? And?
If bear's idea of love is toxic, then he gets a rude awakening when its done to him. Especially when he deliberately AMPS IT UP by saying she should love him more than anyone.
Sorry incel, you lost this one.

>>220724147
Absolute desperation to get Bear to agree to take her to his house, Wish Nikki is at least somewhat aware that flat out asking to go stay at his house would cause him to become a stammering mess trying to figure out every which way to not have her stay over with him because hes such a fucking pussy. So it goes full nuclear option right out of the gate to guarantee Bear cant so no.
We see Wish Nikki cannot stand the very idea of not being with Bear so it makes perfect sense thats how she wouldn't leave any room for possible rejection.

>>220724277
>Otherwise provide me the metric of love right now. Come on. What are the measurable units.
look them up
it's all brain chemistry
next you'll tell me you think you can't tell the difference between a straight guy and a gay guy with a CAT scan
(proftip: you literally can)

>>220724304
>look them up
LMAO I accept your concession.

>>220723242
>Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you
But the nonsense moralizing still applied since he got killed right after for stupid unrelated shit

>>220724277
>If bear's idea of love is toxic,
bears idea of love never includes eating cats and acting like a muderering hobo you idiot. in fact, that isnt anyones idea of love, except probably hannibal lector.
>Especially when he deliberately AMPS IT UP by saying she should love him more than anyone.
this is retarded because nikki probably loves one person, her mom and why does that loving bear more than her mom means ramping to a demonic autist sperg that kills? gtfo of here with that retard shit.

Why are online hoes getting mad at people laughing at the flick I found it hilarious

>>220724299
that doesn't make any sense at all and again it just proves the point that he didn't get his wish granted even before the montage
>flat tire
>I'm too drunk/tired to travel home
>I heard on the radio there was a rape near my place
>I'm not tired and want to hang out more
>do you want to fuck?
>can I crash here? (no explanation)
would all be more valid excuses that wouldn't be easily seen through later and cause friction, which if she loved him she wouldn't want to cause

>>220724315
>thinks love is literally magic
>also says a magic wish can't create love

>>220724145
Then give me a reason with some substance.

>>220724174
If you spent the runtime jammed up about a glaringly obvious plot point, maybe you're autistic?

>>220724180
I disagree and I haven't seen much criticism beyond the phrasing of the wish and criticism of the lore and literal mechanics of the wish and/or Nikki's state. Completely missing the forest for the trees.
I'll give you credit because you bring up a lack of gratuitous violence and nudity. Still retarded, and not anything that makes me reconsider what I watched.

>>220724277
>Otherwise provide me the metric of love right now. Come on. What are the measurable units.
Love is more of a brain event than a heart event, driven by a powerful cocktail of hormones and neurotransmitters. Your brain orchestrates those all-consuming feelings of attraction and deep attachment using four primary chemical messengers.Here is the breakdown of the brain's love chemicals and what they do:Dopamine: Known as the "feel-good" neurotransmitter, this drives the brain's reward system. It surges when you fall in love, giving you intense focus, motivation, and a euphoric rush similar to the effects of addictive substances.Oxytocin: Often called the "love hormone," oxytocin is responsible for social bonding and attachment. It is released during physical affection (like hugging, kissing, or sex) and fosters deep feelings of trust, calmness, and security.Norepinephrine: Also called noradrenaline, this is the stress hormone that gives you that "butterfly" feeling. It triggers adrenaline production, leading to a racing heart, sweaty palms, and sleeplessness during the early stages of a crush.Serotonin: This chemical helps regulate mood, but during early infatuation, serotonin levels can actually drop. This decrease is thought to be why new love feels so all-consuming and resembles obsessive thinking.

checkmate, retard

>>220724330
>in fact, that isnt anyones idea of love,
subjective.

>>220724097
I thought zoomers were having such a hard time getting girls, here this loser has 1 model that's secretly into him and 1 normie that is dying to be with him...

Because the whole thing was evil magic to begin with in the first place, stupid

>>220724339
>flat tire
>I'm too drunk/tired to travel home
>I heard on the radio there was a rape near my place
>can I crash here? (no explanation)
They're already at Nikki's house so these make zero sense.
>I'm not tired and want to hang out more
>do you want to fuck?
See: "flat out asking to go stay at his house would cause him to become a stammering mess trying to figure out every which way to not have her stay over with him because hes such a fucking pussy"

Anon did you by chance actually watch the movie?

>>220724371
>I haven't seen much criticism beyond the entire premise of the movie

>>220724379
>subjective
only if youre a rapist crazy ass person, and it certainly wasnt bears idea of love which is what you have been arguing that the wording doesnt matter but apparently the wish reads your mind and intent behind the wish.

>>220724398
>"flat out asking to go stay at his house would cause him to become a stammering mess trying to figure out every which way to not have her stay over with him because hes such a fucking pussy"
wow, if only the movie demonstrated that she's perfectly willing to stand somewhere and stare at him for 8 hours, like for example if he was asleep and she was standing there watching him
so you sure go me there

>>220724413
again thats subjective

>>220724438
Anon im so sorry to be the one to tell you this but I think you might be mentally retarded.

What would you gays ask for if you had one wish something gay no doubt

>>220722991

>>220724453
please anon i promise you 90% of peoples idea of love, including bears does not include murder and walking backwards like a creepy spider person

>>220724454
you tried this before when you forgot something that was in the movie
she does a silent staring at him, and incredibly patient
him being a sperg wouldn't turn her off, and she would just watch until he becomes more uncomfortable has to actually say something
like what happened in the movie multiple times

>>220724480
>please anon i promise you
plz bro i swear bro
lol

there's definitely insecure incels out there who would love it if their girlfriend was utterly devoted to them and murdered any other foids who dared speak to them.

>>220724408
You've mistaken plot devices for the premise and that confirms your opinion is worth a heap of shit

>>220724516
>there's definitely insecure incels out there who would love it if their girlfriend was utterly devoted to them and murdered any other foids who dared speak to them.
yeah but if you read their mind they'd also want their gf to dress up like one of the uma musume horse girls or whatever and call them senpai and make them food, not be a weird monster
and you have said the wish reads your mind and is based on your "true intentions" or whatever and not your verbal wish
apparently bear would've been better off as a closeted necrophiliac because nikki would dropped dead and he'd at least have been able to fuck her more than twice and she wouldn't be acting like a gremlin

>>220722991
Anons ITT watching The Godfather
>Why did he say it's an offer he can't refuse?
>He literally could have refused it
>If he couldn't have refused it, then it's not really an offer. Why'd he use the word "offer" if that's not what he meant?
>Doesn't make any sense
>Movie must be shit if such a small detail was overlooked

>>220724548
no, I haven't, while the willow itself is certainly in question, the premise is what is being debated
his wish itself and the result
I'm sure you think you're clever, but you're not
I'll head you off at the pass, if your reply includes the phrase "media literacy" you will become trans

>>220724232
>duuuuuuuuuuuur
morbidly obese virgin

>>220724574
Except the movie explains why he wouldn't have been able to refuse the offer in many ways.
Obsession does not explain why you can wish for money but not love.

>>220722991
>I wish Nikki romantically and sexually loved me more than she romantically and sexually loves anyone else

Boom, fixed. Now Nikki wants to be with him more than she does with any other guy while not overriding her love for her family, friends, pets, etc.

>>220724558
>yeah but if you read their mind they'd also want their gf to dress up like one of the uma musume horse girls or whatever and call them senpai and make them food, not be a weird monster
I'll just believe you on that I guess?
>is based on your "true intentions" or whatever and not your verbal wish
it's based on your interpretation of what you wished for. You could wish very clearly and precisely to have Nikki come out and kiss you in this moment and it would happen exactly as stated. But if you say something vague like 'love' then yeah it's gonna pick what you think love is.

If you wished that someone that hated you, was happy, then you'd probably die or something because that would make them happy. See? Interpretation.

>I wish I reminded Nikki of her father
checkmate, atheists
she'll JUST want to fuck me and then she'll have a mental breakdown immediately afterward and leave me alone for days at a time

>>220724574
This Anon just wrote OPs biography in photo accurate detail

>>220724621
>something vague like love
you're a fucking retard
>here's my elaborate headcanon as an explanation
retard

>>220724663
>elaborate headcanon
anon you might be clinically retarded if a simple explanation confused you, i'm sorry. good luck.

>>220724676
Well, you never addressed that love is literally just dopamine and serotonin, so I can see why you'd be itching to flee

>>220724136
I find it very funny that posters have not moved past this *incredibly* trivial point.
Fixation on the grammar and syntax of the thread, insisting on controversy as though it is the OP which makes or breaks the thread, only demonstrates once more that this site is full of autists who don't enjoy 4chan.
Move past it. Suspend your disbelief. Hold a headcanon where the wording is different for fucks sake. Just roll with the premise and post in the fucking thread.

>>220724574
>How is it thermodynamically possible for the Thing to shapeshift?
>How does Jurassic Park clone dinosaurs from hopelessly degraded DNA?
>How does the DeLorean time-jump using lightning?
>How is the shark in Jaws so smart?
>How does Spider-Man’s bite rewrite his genome without killing him?
>How can Terminators time-travel without bringing any inorganic material?
It's just autism anon

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So was the guy on the phone/in the store the Devil?

>>220724723
Once again, headcanon is gay

>>220724577
The phrasing of the wish itself is practically incidental to the plot. The premise of the movie is glaringly obvious: a young man selfishly wishes for the effortless devotion from the girl he desires. That is clearly not what is being debated. If anything, people are arguing that the premise should have been different, and that this movie should have been a different movie.
>>220724604
Like this retard. Why the fuck should this movie take time to explain the lore behind these plot devices? Would fleshing out the mechanics and dissolving the mystery and ambiguity make for a better film? The answer is no, it would have made a more comprehensible experience for autists and that simply isn't a priority here.

>>220724692
you never addressed the fact that that's just not true and there's no proof those chemicals define love.
you also release dopamine and serotonin by doing exercises, going skydiving, getting a massage. Does that mean you now romantically love those things? what?
Fucking ultra retard. Think before you decide to type.

>>220724728
>How is it thermodynamically possible for the Thing to shapeshift?
It's a colony of alien micro organisms that operate as a hivemind, it's explained in the movie
>How does Jurassic Park clone dinosaurs from hopelessly degraded DNA?
they used frogs to fill in the gaps, it's explained in the movie
>How does the DeLorean time-jump using lightning?
it doesn't it time-jumps using the flux capacitor, it's explained in the movie
>How is the shark in Jaws so smart?
it isn't, it's just not native to the area and nobody knows how to deal with it, it's explained in the movie
>How does Spider-Man’s bite rewrite his genome without killing him?
it's a mutation, Peter Peter becomes a mutant, it's explained in the movie
>How can Terminators time-travel without bringing any inorganic material?
Because they need to be coated in synthetic flesh, it's explained in the movie

>>220724735
Honestly, probably. I hate how underpowered the devil is in movies. He's more or less Evil God, meaning he can do anything and is impossible to kill. He can easily appear as multiple people as once, for instance.

>>220724746
>and there's no proof those chemicals define love.
There's literally decades of proof that those chemicals literally define love
Literally
>you also release dopamine and serotonin by doing exercises, going skydiving, getting a massage.
People get addicted to those activities, much like they fall in love with a person, yes
You're such a fucking idiot

>>220724808
They also get addicted to the attention they get by deliberately being wrong about things, like OP. He proves you more right the more he responds to you.

>>220724808
>Literally
then literally show me. homo. i'm still waiting.
>People get addicted to those activities, much like they fall in love with a person, yes
So you're saying love is addiction? Interesting, and do addicts ever behave erratically and unpredictably when not having the thing that fuels their addiction?
don't say yes anon. DON'T DO IT

besides, loving someone includes your own subjective experience of being with them. Just reducing 'love' to 2 chemicals is like saying a book is just ink on paper. But I honestly wouldn't expect you to understand what love actually is.

>>220724913
>a book is just ink on paper
That IS what a book is.

>>220724808
There's proof that those are part of the experience of love. I think it is a reach to say that they are the entirety of love, with nothing more to it than that.
You've got some balls calling that dude a retard while you're telling me that finishing up a project at work is similar to romantic love lol

>>220724783
>>220724783
> It's a colony of alien microorganisms that operate as a hivemind; it’s explained in the movie.
Evolution doesn’t generate free energy, and the film itself doesn’t clearly say, “It’s a hivemind colony of microorganisms.”
> They used frogs to fill in the gaps it’s explained in the movie.
Frog DNA doesn’t contain dinosaur sex-switching genes; the explanation explains nothing in the movie.
> It doesn’t time-jump; it uses the flux capacitor. It’s explained in the movie.
Physics doesn’t work that way.
> It isn’t it’s just not native to the area, and nobody knows how to deal with it. It’s explained in the movie.
No shark in recorded history has ever deliberately disabled a boat, stalked specific individuals across days, or delayed an attack for strategic advantage.
> It’s a mutation; Peter becomes a mutant. It’s explained in the movie.
Spider venom can’t cause mutations like that.
> Because they need to be coated in synthetic flesh; it’s explained in the movie.
A field that selectively parses biology mid-transport is more technologically advanced than a time machine.y complex than time travel itself, it's still explained wrong in the movie

Are you actually trying to act like any of those movies are scientifically plausible? Fuck off. Make it happen than mr science wiz.

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>>220724926
>he doesn't read books
ngmi brainlet

>>220724940
I read what a book is in the dictionary, a book (ink on paper)

>>220724913
>just reducing love to 2 chemicals
Those were just 2 of them. I can only presume, despite likely being the retard who literally asked for 9 grade biology explanation earlier, you didn't actually read the answer when it was given to you, so I'll copy paste from earlier in the thread :)
>Love is more of a brain event than a heart event, driven by a powerful cocktail of hormones and neurotransmitters. Your brain orchestrates those all-consuming feelings of attraction and deep attachment using four primary chemical messengers.
>Here is the breakdown of the brain's love chemicals and what they do:
>Dopamine: Known as the "feel-good" neurotransmitter, this drives the brain's reward system. It surges when you fall in love, giving you intense focus, motivation, and a euphoric rush similar to the effects of addictive substances.
>Oxytocin: Often called the "love hormone," oxytocin is responsible for social bonding and attachment. It is released during physical affection (like hugging, kissing, or sex) and fosters deep feelings of trust, calmness, and security.
>Norepinephrine: Also called noradrenaline, this is the stress hormone that gives you that "butterfly" feeling. It triggers adrenaline production, leading to a racing heart, sweaty palms, and sleeplessness during the early stages of a crush.
>Serotonin: This chemical helps regulate mood, but during early infatuation, serotonin levels can actually drop. This decrease is thought to be why new love feels so all-consuming and resembles obsessive thinking.
Note, the only difference between being in love with a woman and being addicted to cigarettes is nicotine
That's literally the only difference as it relates to the human brain

>>220724932
>scientifically plausible
We're talking about a magic wish

Posting itt should automatically qualify you for mental disability benefits

>>220722991
dumb stuff aside, wasn't nikki's father on the other side of the country? how was ian able to check on him?

>>220725000
Are you just ignoring all the fuckers arguing shit like this >>220724978
Of course you are because you're jsut a faggot trying to sound smart

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>>220725000
OP is literally too stupid to understand picrel

>>220725011
facebook. saw his facebook and nikkis dad was going fishing as of 2 days ago.

>>220725024
That argument is based on how easy it is to create love, not that the wish doesn't make sense
It is related though.
For example: >>220725032
If it's magic, you do have to explain why it sucks and didn't work

i have to commend Bear for his taste in cable-knit sweaters. every time he was on screen, he was sporting a new sweater, and all of them /fa/

>>220725072
A visual metaphor for how much he was "sweating" Nikki

>>220724791
I don't think it's so much as under powered, rather than merely toying with his prey, like a cat and rat.

>>220725058
>If it's magic, you do have to explain why it sucks and didn't work
Uh, that's the opposite of how that works

>>220725099
I guess I mean more like when the characters on say Supernatural can kill Satan it ruffles my jillies

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>>220724978
you didn't actually address my comment I see. is that because I was right?
Why are you copy pasting your own comment like it proves anything?
Those are the brain's "love chemicals" ? Who told you that. That's what the brain releases when you are with someone you have a crush on (attracted to). That doesn't define "LOVE". You're giving a meaning to something that doesn't have a meaning.
Explain old couples then that are still together, caring for each other when those chemicals are long gone.

So when you date a girl (impossible) and she asks if you love her, are you gonna take out your little blood test kit and check if your dopamine levels are above a given threshold (which is what, exactly?).
I can see it already anon
>sorry Stacy, my Norepinephrine levels are 4 pg/mL too low. I don't actually love you

>>220725104
No, it works the opposite.
You don't have to explain how you created a fireball and shot it from your hand. You could, it would be easy, but you don't have.
However, if a character FAILED to cast fireball, you need to explain why.

>>220725127
You really don't
See >>220725032

>>220725123
You actually believe love is a magical force, amazing.
>So when you date a girl (impossible) and she asks if you love her, are you gonna take out your little blood test kit and check if your dopamine levels are above a given threshold (which is what, exactly?).
No, it would be my boner and desire to fuck her.
And in case you didn't realize, a boner is actually caused by blood rushing into the penis and engorging it, not cupid shooting you with an arrow

>>220725148
>You really don't
That meme literally exists for magical deus ex machinas that work
not ones that don't

>>220725166
>he still didn't address my comment
i accept your concession again anon I already told you.
>he thinks sex and love is the same thing
it's over for you bro you lost the plot completely. you gotta stop before you embarass yourself

Why would Nikki fuck the fat guy?
I don't get it

Sounds like the director could not give the slightest of fucks to make sure the actual wording of the wish fit in with the rest of the movie.

>>220725195
>he thinks sex and love is the same thing
No. Are you like a third world or something?
Do you ACTUALLY not believe that love is merely chemicals in your brain?
Do you sincerely believe that there is a difference between the love you feel for a girl you want to fuck and your desire to fuck her?
Do you think you want to fuck her for reasons other than procreation? Because you don't.
You really believe in magic.

Do you think Andy Richter raped his dead daughter’s body?

>>220725396
Goes without saying.

>>220725058
>If it's magic, you do have to explain why it sucks and didn't work
>Why didn't they just fly the eagles into mordor
>Why didn't they just use the Time-Turner to go back in time and kill baby Voldemort
why don't you guys just shut the fuck up and roll with it? Why do you insist it breaks the movies logic when it really doesn't? I haven't really heard one valid explanation for how the wish ruins the rest of the film. Within the movie's logic, nothing is really broken. It's just people saying "no, no, no, that's not how the wish would be interpreted," and that's just stupid and annoying.

>>220723242
I actually do wonder if the billion dollars thing would be so simple. If that money came from somewhere, like a bank, they can trace it back to it and send you to prison. If it was made from nothing, then that money technically/legally doesn't exist in the economy, so it's worthless.

>>220725203
Because he's not a totally cowardly and insecure guy like Bear.

>>220725469
No he's malicious
>Yeah bro, go for it with nikki!
>actually was fucking her all along

>>220723551
>doesnt know what love is
does anyone?

The wish manifesting the way it does isn't a plot hole, it's the plot. Asking why it didn't just make Nikki normally fall in love with Bear is identical to asking why the DeLorean needed 1.21 gigawatts, or why the dinosaurs didn't just stay in their enclosures, or why the shark didn't just swim away. The answer is always the same: because then there's no movie.

>>220725058
>you do have to explain
you dont though

>>220725518
He's also the one who told Bear "just call her Fricky Nikki, she'll love it!"

>>220722991
The movie explains it when Nikki says she's writing a "romance" novel instead of a "love" one.

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is the movie scary?

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>>220722991
>>Nuuuu it was worded badly
What a novel idea for a horror movie. Bring back Wishmaster.

>>220725624
Not really, but there's two EXTREMELY loud jumpscares.

>>220725557
>>220725557
All of this could have been avoided if the director thought for 2 minutes on how to word the wish better so it fits with the rest of the movie. That's it.

>>220725624
It has some extremely social cringe moments which is scarier than any jumpscare according to zoomers.

>>220725648
Hmmm except nobody except you retards care because most people got the message of the film anyways

Hypothetically speaking, how could the billion dollars wish work without legal issues? I'm assuming you could only spend it on gas/food/etc.

>>220725823
Someone already said it but the IRS wont really care too much about random citizen. You could get away with a lot before they catch on.

>>220723558
I can't think of a single interpretation as how his wish is meant as evil, without it meaning a man wanting to be loved is automatically selfish and controlling

>>220722991
Do you have any idea how much saggy used up coal burning BPD pussy the producer got for making this movie? Who cares

>>220725933
>the producer

Which one of them?

>>220725823
I feel like you could just launder it slowly over time wiht a good tax attorney

>>220722991
He said “anyone in the fucking world,” cussing attracts demons, everyone knows that

>>220724092
It did not, he died like 20 minutes later. He can have the billion dollars but his life got cut extremely short

>>220723450
>THE WISH FORCIBLY REWIRES PART OF NIKKI’S BRAIN
Why not rewire her whole brain? Is the One Wish Willow malicious or just stupid?

>>220726403
yes

>>220723242

And because he didn't save his friend, he got a bullet.

>>220726403
Because it only focused on love and there's more to a brain than love. So it only changed that part of her identity

every single person in this thread, even the biggest retards in it, put more thought into this concept than anyone involved in the making of the movie did. Holy hell what a piece of shit this was

>>220727026
Because it's a movie

>watch people talk about the movie
>"Bear is a piece of shit because he didn't instantly mercy kill nikki the nanosecond he heard her ask for it"
He should be willing to go to jail for murder instantly?

>>220722991
Movie just made it feel like you shouldn't wish for love but materialistic things instead

>>220725203
he's rich

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>>220727026
I don't believe that

>>220727061
A lot of morons didn’t think past the killing part, and why would he resort to killing instantly anyhow? He didn’t quite realize how dangerous she had become until she murdered the other girl

>>220725925
The part where you're meant to see him as evil is when he indulges in Nikki loving him even when he's aware it is because of the spell.

Honestly I think a more interesting movie would be if the wish actually made her love him in a healthy way but he had to struggle with the ethics of it.

>>220727061
She was stabbing herself with glass, taping over his door, feeding him his dead cat, covering herself in shit and having random screaming fits. What other sign do you even need?

Nevertheless it is really cheap that the movie says that the only out is him killing himself and we're supposed to think he is the bad guy because he doesn't immediately jump out of a bridge.

>>220725648
literally just "I wish nikki were MADLY in love with me" would have worked

>>220727061
This. Im not going to go to an American prison for the rest of my life for any reason. Im skipping town and she will get committed sooner or later. Hell may e the wish will wear off eventually

>>220727689
It's funny cause I think Bear getting her institutionalized and moving on is the more evil ending and more in line with his characer being a coward

>>220727624
or even

>I wish she loved me more than ANYTHING in the world

>>220723551
>love
>basic
Love is one of the most complicated and confusing concepts that people, like you, still don’t understand fully. It’s not a simple or basic human emotion at all

the helpdesk scene was funny

>>220727805
All the retards arguing she should have just been a nice perfect girlfriend are living under a rock. Women murder their kids out of "love" because they don't want to leave them alone after suiciding

>>220727830
>All the retards arguing she should have just been a nice perfect girlfriend are living under a rock. Women murder their kids out of "love" because they don't want to leave them alone after suiciding
the general understanding of love is buying flowers and chocolates not murdering your own child you retard

>>220727859
Love is linked to sacrifice, control, desire, longing, grief, and a multitude of negative, complex emotions, not just buying flowers and chocolates.

>>220724097
Here’s a concept dipshits like you don’t understand, confidence and personality override looks most of the time. You can look like a chad but if you have no confidence and act like a pussy, women will dry up around you. You can be a 5 or 6 out of 10 looking dude but if you exude confidence and have a sense that of humor, you’ll be drowning in it. Autists like you just don’t get it

>>220727805
Yes, the poets continually and sometimes willfully mistake love. Love is the old slaughterer. Love is not blind. Love is a cannibal with extremely acute vision. Love is insectile; it is always hungry.

>>220727859
>general understanding
The whole point is that coercing someone to love you is contrary to even a general understanding of love.

>>220727859
Here’s another idiot that doesn’t understand that love, and peoples’ understanding of it, are way more complicated and confusing than just “oh I like you and I’m nice to you, let’s be together forever.” Love can take many forms and your understanding of love might be different than someone else’s. I’m guessing you’re on the spectrum though because of your basic understanding of love

>>220728048
Hilarious that he gave an actual 3rd gave level defintion of love

>>220728010
Its contrary to your modern shitlib interpretation of love.

>>220728057
Exactly. It seems like a lot of people in this thread think love is as basic as giving chocolates and flowers. Explains why they’ve never been in a relationship before

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>>220727904
show me where killing other people or digging up your dead cat is on here

>>220728090
>Exactly. It seems like a lot of people in this thread think love is as basic as giving chocolates and flowers. Explains why they’ve never been in a relationship before
I promise you if you ask 100 people on the street, even the drugged out hobos, they would not mention killing your friends as part of the definition of love.

>>220723242
>she doesn't actually love you
>wish granted
wow so creative!

>>220728146
You still don’t get it, idiot. Not everyone understands love the way others do. That mother’s reasoning for killing her kids would be a warped form of love, but to her, it’s still love and that’s the point I’m making. Everyone understands it differently. Something you can’t seem to grasp. Done arguing with a dipshit like you

>>220724148
>beautiful daughter is dead
>three years in prison
I don't get it, why is nobody outraged

Haven't seen the movie, will probably steal it eventually, but I've watched videos of the main actress streaming Call of Duty and I want a latina gaming gf so bad.

>>220728184
The entity could have googled love and not gotten any idea about killing people.
>But sometimes crazy people do crazy things!!!!! Im so smart!!!!
Why does the entity immediately go to the most extreme form of love instead of a more commonly accepted form of love you fucking retard?

When Ian asks for a billion dollars, it doesnt give him some outdated form of currency, it gives him the commonly accepted currency in the united states, not ethiopian dollars or whatever the fuck

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>>220728122
Hey buddy, have you ever heard of this story called Romeo and Juliet? It's pretty popular in America. Maybe they don't read it in Pakistan or wherever the fuck you're from, but it involves two lovers who commit suicide over each other. It's generally pretty well understood in the arts and humanities that love is a complicated emotion that can sometimes make people do crazy things, m'kay?

For example, in Nazi Germany, when mothers heard the Soviets were coming and had been raping and pillaging, some mothers drowned their children in the river to protect them from getting raped. Is that okay? No. But does it happen? Yeah.

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Hi anon

mutt movies basically became LOUD = GOOD
holy fucking shit nation of 80 IQ mutts

>>220727238
this scene and the one after. Bear needs to be resurrected so I can kill him myself

>>220728269
Seething brownoid

>>220728258
>do crazy things, m'kay?
exactly that crazy things

when someone on the news kills someone because of love scorned we dont say wow thats just love lol
normal people say what what a dumbass crazy mofo

Is just another one of those movies that tries really hard to ruin "man bad" fantasies as simple as wishing to be loved without effort, they have done for Android wives, the only man in the world, stalker girls, being kidnapped by girls, yanderes, trade wives etc eventually there will even be a movie about guys that have "time stop" fantasies being twisted into some horror plot

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>he kills himself to free Nikki
Yeah but she literally just killed two people with mountains of evidence against her so she will be going to prison.

>>220728348
sorry i am european only brown i know is gypsy and we call them as such, enjoy your low iq slop movies for niggers

>>220728356
The world has no more patience or empathy for losers who cry about hiw women dont want to fuck them and conjure up scenarios where women are forced by outside circumstance to fuck them. Not sorry.

>>220728350
Laws for crimes of passion have existed throughout history because people generally understand that love distorts judgment. People investigating someone who kills someone because of love scorned definitely account for how love can completely overwhelm rational thought and impulse control, which is precisely why reduced sentencing exists in those cases.

And my not sure how "people kill for love scorned and we call them crazy" negates my point rather than reinforces it

>>220728300
qrd?

>>220728455
>Laws for crimes of passion have existed throughout history because people generally understand that love distorts judgment. People investigating someone who kills someone because of love scorned definitely account for how love can completely overwhelm rational thought and impulse control, which is precisely why reduced sentencing exists in those cases.
Except most people don't kill. You make it sound like almost everyone kills for love. They dont. It is taking the definition of love to the most extreme case which is entirely silly when he did not word his wish in that way.
>And my not sure how "people kill for love scorned and we call them crazy" negates my point rather than reinforces it
Because when people are in love most dont kill for it. They do stupid things yes but not let me kill my best friend and stand in the corner to watch you sleep you retard.

>>220728513
ur a retard I'm done

>virgin obsessing over a 6/10 mid becky over the 5/10 homely girl that clearly likes him
This bothers me more than anything else because it never happens like that. Guys like that only overlook fat chicks.

>>220728368
Yeah but she won't be in hell (or whatever torture she was under) anymore.

>>220728523
>normal people in love
blow up over a perceived slight, get jealous over their bf flirting and they have an argument
>normal people in love according to you
kill their best friend for daring to talk to their bf

yeah no

>>220728538
Why should he settle for some fat ugly chick?

>>220728258
>committing suicide at the sight of your dead boyfriend is equivalent to killing others and feeding them their dead animals
you're a psychotic, autistic incel retard lol

>>220728547
Hell for women is being forced to love a 5/10 male lol

>>220728703
Being raped is bad chud

>>220728613
> the dude overanalyzing horror films, calling other people autistic incel retards
Yeah, I think I can live without your approval

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It's interesting how 99% of horror targeted at women is centered around violation of sexual autonomy. Male focused horror is pretty diverse in the ways it tries to evoke fear in the audience, but ones aimed at women all boil down to being raped in one way or another. It's a really small horizon of consciousness, I wonder why it's like that.

>>220722991
>wish Nikki loved me more than anyone in the world
Doesn't raise him but lowers everyone else. She doesn't love him very much or at all and now loves everyone in the world less than that.

Alternatively

She doesn't love him and now everyone in the world loves him less than she loves him i.e. not at all.

Alternatively

Loved. She loved him but doesn't anymore.

That's 3 ways that wish can be interpereted just off the top of my head anon. That means it was badly worded.

>>220722991
Zoomers cannot into horror and will never be serious film makers because the limits of their experience with women is tantamount to do not talk to them or make them feel uncomfortable under any circumstances.

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>>220728213
He didn't killer her, she did that to herself.
He got 3 years in jail and 20 years on the sex offenders list which basically ends your life anyway even though it was his whore of a daughter got drunk at 18 and simply regretted it.
This is why women should not have rights.

>>220729086
kill yourself, retard

>>220729059
Women have set that up so weak unconfident men will self filter themselves. They arent as dumb as they play.

no way they didn't stitch her wounds
they were at the hospital

>>220724374
NTA but you're just describing lust.

In English "love" is a multifaceted, contextual word. The Greeks had like 5 separate words to differentiate the different ways it expresses itself.

If anything you're just defeating your own argument against the other anon by narrowing it down to a dumb kid with no life experience being horny and interpreting it as such.

>>220729253
love, lust, affection, intimacy, etc. your limited vocabulary doesn't mean english lacks the lexicon

>>220729384
I already said it was contextual retard, which is why narrowing it down as such helps the other anon's position instead of yours.

Wish movies are easy to beat, just say
>i wish for x with no negative repercussions on anyone

>>220729464
Not how it works faglord. Go back to >>>/v/

>>220729520
Yes it is

>>220729582
>The fbi kick down your door because you somehow acquired x from Elon without anyone noticing or being affected.
Enjoy federal prison nerd.

Post Wish Nikki is Bear's mirror and how twisted he would be if his obsession with her was taken to the extreme he wants. He is shocked by her behavior but complacent with it throughout the movie.

>>220727910
Sick and tired of this cope, I think we're way past the whole
>it's actually your personality and confidence bro
bit

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the asian chick was hotter

>>220731514
I laughed so hard when she died. You know Bear probably was sniffing her stank dead pussy

>>220728262
her eyes looked anime as hell in some scenes. The lighting was really interesting in the movie

>>220725925
Because instead of just taking a risk and telling her how he feels, he just takes the easy way out and wishes she loves him. Granted, he didn't actually believe it would work, but he was ignoring all the signs that she wasn't right as soon as they started dating. She left his dead cat on the floor after the first night, that should have been it and he should have tried fixing it then.

It's a bit of a stretch, but instead of being honest and risking rejection, he disrespects her autonomy so he can be with her. Even when he acknowledges that she isn't acting like Nikki, he still keeps dating her and lying to himself. He spends most of the movie being a coward and not dealing with his fears. He plays a sensitive nice guy act, but he's really just scared and selfish.

>>220725624
Only if you are a zoomer or gen alpha who is afraid of relationships

>>220731495
Anon's right. As long as you are not extremely ugly or deformed, it's mostly personality. Incels on here cope because it's easier for them to achieve material success, go to the gym, or seethe than it is for them to deal with their own insecurities and feelings.

>>220732227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyn6XYW2T64

>>220732227
>assisted_fellatio

>>220726252
Stopping making shit up. Director already confirmed it's not a monkeys paw situation. The wishes aren't inherently cursed.

I am genuinely saddened by the fact that wanting to be loved if you’re a man is considered deeply evil and rapist behavior by modern standards. Sadder still is the fact that a guy directed this movie. It’s a weird sort of Uncle Tom thing when men make movies decrying men at large as fundamentally evil.

>>220732975
You just gotta start calling it out in real life. Not sure how anyone could counter that wanting a relationship is normal and not narcissistic and entitled when its literally something everybody wants in life.

>>220732288
Anon's not right. We're over this bit. End of story.

>>220722991
i don't watch zoomer flicks

>>220732227
looks like a looney tunes gag

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Why are people acting like the friend was some disgusting slob? Bear was only slightly better looking and at that point the personality gap would make a big difference.

>>220728945
Because sexuality is the only true power women possess and even if they won't admit it deep down they all know it. That's why they cry that rape is worse than being murdered. Because rape is taking the one thing that makes them worthwhile without monetary or some other form of compensation. Womens entire world revolves around sex in some way. They have a one track mind and it's taken a hundred years of manipulation to trick some of them into thinking a shitty career is more important than making babies but it's driving them insane because their bodies know they are making the wrong choice.

>>220729765
No the wish stipulated no negative repercussions so it would go unnoticed.

>>220732227
Deserved for wearing that cattle ring, all nosering cunts and fags should have their skulls caved in.

>>220725203
She has issues there is a reason Ian broke up with her and she got name freaky Nikki

>>220725518
The director confirmed in interview they had been broken up for months before bear got her

>>220728226
Where is her channel?

>>220733930
You have see it in theaters the audio scared shit out of me

>>220723699
Exactly, I get the movie needs to make the wish evil in nature for plot but that's not how monkey paw wishes work. If I want someone to love me more than anyone, then the downside would be something like a clingy gf that's always wanting to be near me. Annoying, but also a clear downside of the wish, it wouldn't immediately jump up to "If anyone even talks, looks, or gives you attention, ill kill them and then you and then me" levels of negativity.

>>220734027
Because 4chan incels think you can’t overcome being chubby or looksmax is only way that works for some weird reason

>>220723699
No if it’s a monkey paw wish it makes sense. People are grasping at straws his friend still got killed and shop clerk could have just made a wish recently and turns out bad for him later.

>>220723985
I want the govt to dispense 4k USD in my bank account every 2 weeks till the day of my natural intended death date

I really dont see the downsides, its not like it's a trillion dollars instantly so it wouldn't need to be laundered and it's every 2 weeks so I can easily live comfortably and not do anything that would raise suspicion and yeah I could die tomorrow but I said my natural date without any time warp shit so if I do die then I was always going to on that day wish or not.

>>220734029
True, my last gf was a sex pest and it was just getting old. If a woman is into you sexually she will not leave you the fuck alone because not giving a shit about fucking her means you don't care about her all together in her mind.

>>220734110
Anyone who has ever been in an FWB situation knows exactly what happened. She hit him with "so what are we" and he didn't commit, so she left. They hint at this a few times in the movie.

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The movie is retarded? Yes, at times.
Did it scare me? Yes, and it was extremely unnerving at times too.

For me, it's a solid 7/10.

>>220722991
>Why the FUCK does this turn her into a retardo demon?
demon autism
>so why the fuck does that automatically mean demonic possession that cant act like a human and kills people?
demon autism

this movie is about getting an autistic demon gf and its consequences

>>220735370
False
I think the point of the film isnt anti incel propaganda
The point is stop being a faggot simp for a oneitis
He was obsessed with this bitch for so long, who not only was ran through, but saw him as a puppy dog who will never deserve her pussy.
neglecting that there was another girl who franky was hotter, and was more than willing to date him.
So no, the moral of the movie isnt anti incel propaganda ”be careful what you wish for”
It’s, dont be a faggot simp and dont get hung up on the first girl you have a crush on.
So the movie is actually PRO INCEL propaganda
Simple

>>220735396
crazy how people will acknowledge he could've had Sarah and probably been normal but still call him irredeemably evil - IREDEEMABLE
like no, the movie needs an antagonist and to reprimand his tragic flaws but he is not cravenly sadistic with no chance of being a better man

>>220735396
>there was another girl who franky was hotter
The fat asian caked in makeup? lmao

>>220735917
I agree with you anon

>>220736008
>not into chubby girls
Low T faggot.
Anyway what made her great was she was genuinely nice, a genuinely nice girl who was willing to give him a chance, not forced to by a stick.
And yes, for a beta cuck like that guy she was way out of his league. He was fucking lucky.

>>220736080
Sure she was nice, but hotter? Get the fuck out.

>>220722991
tldr it removes free will
if you try magick (hehe) or just self actualization word it like i want to be the most attractive person, i attract ___; change yourself

>>220736122
Way hotter.

>>220732975
>Sadder still is the fact that a guy directed this movie. It’s a weird sort of Uncle Tom thing when men make movies decrying men at large as fundamentally evil.

This is something that isn't pointed out enough. Proof that male writers are the biggest pickmes in the world

>>220734027
He was a slimy piece of shit

>>220736264
retarded landwhale fucker.

It was a weird movie. It tries to make Bear the bad guy by playing up the "nice guy" angle women hate, making him confess he resents Nikki never chose him etc, but at the same time there is no way he is actually responsible for the shit going on. He couldn't have possibly known the oak would work and once he does there is no way for him to stop it short of killing either himself or Nikki, and neither is a reasonable thing to expect a normal person to just do. So he doesn't really have the agency needed to be a morally culpable character here, even with his character flaws or his resentment because there is no (reasonable) out for him that these flaws stop him from doing, it's just one extreme or the other.

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>>220736122
You're just gays in the closet. In no reality of the multiverse can Sarah be called fat.

>>220722991
I took it as that this is how Nikki would act if she embraced her emotions because she's seriously fucked up. This movie feels like knowing a cool Mexican chick versus dating her.

>>220728356
It isn't man bad. It's specifically the narrative of a lonely white guy who is tormented by women. It was with Hokum too. I am under the assumption we will see more of these films as the ultimate tormented white guy movie horror movie, Evil Dead, turns 45.

>>220738235
>the oak
They said One Wish Willow so much in this movie that I'm convinced you were fucking around on your phone instead of paying attention.

>>220722991
She did love him more than anyone else in the world, even herself. That’s not a relationship, not two equal partners loving each other as they love themselves. Loving someone more than you love yourself means you are basically erasing yourself as an independent person. Now you’re just an extension of someone else. That’s why she vacillates between being this utterly subservient puppy trying to figure out what will please Bear and being this confused, angry, violent harpy. She/it is responding to Bear’s own conflicting desires. He wants Nikki to love him. He wants Nikki to be the girl he loves, only that girl would never love someone who’d rather wish a relationship into existence instead of having the courage to try for one.

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>>220738297
Ok anon

Initially this movie feels smart enough to not fall into the usual tropes and actually touches upon some real world issues well, I feel apart from the core possession / horror storyline there is a lot to say about instant gratification and the concept of rushing relationships based on ego / entitlement as opposed to forming a true connection, but it feels like it fumbles that message by essentially turning Nikki into a prop piece for scares without really touching upon the real Nikki, and what their relationship could have been without rushing things. The only time we see the real Nikki interact is jarring, because prior to that scene in bed you would have believed that wasn't even a possibility, it feels like that was only there to change the tone of the movie from more of a lesson in how to cultivate true romance to "Bear is an asshole borderline rapist" which really doesn't line up with everything prior. It felt like before that, it was a movie that could appeal to everyone in a meaningful way, but it just transitions into drek where the protagonist becomes one dimensional same as Nikki, all nuance is left and everything after that just makes him look like a complete shithead. Just felt really unsatisfying, it feels like it's supposed to be treated as some grand reveal too but is the audience really supposed to believe this guy was evil? Clearly he didn't think the wish was going to fucking work, are we supposed to see him as bad just because he was awkward? Is the implication really that not confessing feels is an immoral lack of accountability?

>>220738532
Reminder that she too is an asshole as right before she dies she is trying to talk Bear out of a relationship he is (as far as she knows) happy with involving her best friend.

>>220738235
>>220732975
It's such a stretch to try to shame a universal human emotion that men and women experience as this monstrous evil. Whether that's romantic partners, siblings, parents, friends the movie comes off as if it's deliberately trying to be inflammatory and dishonest propaganda.

movie isn't scary and all the creepy freaky nikki scenes are garbage

They have a pretty funny skit channel https://www.youtube.com/@thats_a_bad_idea

>>220725120
They kill Angels a couple of times fagboy

get out but for women

>>220724480
The sulking arou g was so unnerving, fuck! Instant freakout.

>>220724735
He seemed normal until the moment he ask if he wants to speak with her and her agonizing yells are heard. Is that supposed to be the trapped Nikki in some shadow zone?