>>220725190
It’s not star wars.

>>220725190
They're better than anything Disney has done.

They should have adapted the expanded universe stuff into films not the nu Star Wars which is crap de lid.

I don't know why people dislike them.
They're perfectly acceptable in general, and really they needed some kind of force-immune army to up the ante after the Empire

The Yuuzhan Vong are a suitable follow-up to the original trilogy, a bunch of space zombies invading the galaxy that the heroes have to defeat? That's within the ethos of the original trilogy. The prequels fucked everything up by turning Star Wars into liberal pinko political diatribes in space.

>>220725190
No

Even most people who liked the rest of the original EU hated these guys.

>>220725381
They already had Hutts who were at least force-resistant enough that Luke couldn't bother them directly, and Toydarians were being introduced as well by this point.

>>220725381
it's silly power levels wank. it's where every sci-fi/fantasy franchise goes to die.
the main story of Star Wars isn't the Galactic Civil War, that was just a minor blip in your childhood before the pain-loving Skeletors took over the entire Galaxy with their invincible bioships. the New Jedi Order? those valiant heroes with their magical powers? oh yeah, well, the Skeletor-men have Level 999 Magic Immunity.
it's what a teenager finds interesting. ironically it's far more interesting when it's just regular people than superpowered demons (no matter how badass you tell me their spikes are).

>>220725190
The concept was still more original back when they were first thought up, now it's so overdone even hardcore fans of the concept are kind of sick of them.

>>220725514
>it's what a teenager finds interesting.
It's what the people who bought tickets to see Star Wars in theatre found interesting? Woah.

>>220725190
It's W40k but Star Wars
Not really
But nothing's worse than Disney Star Wars

>>220725492
you think an army of jabbas and wattos would make for good villains in a fucking 10 book saga?
the vong were the best option, hellraister freaks in organic ships and you can't use the force on them, it's great
I wasn't old enough to know at the time, but I suspect half the hate comes from them killing chewie and probably pellaeon to a lesser extent

>>220725190
borg ripoff who have bullshit FORCE IMMUNITY and LIGHTSABER IMMUNITY
nonsense

>>220725190
Has actions scenes like Jedi fighting scores of mooks in a thunderstorm, before fighting the big Vong boss while lightning cracks around them. It's cheesy but entertaining. Meanwhile Disney has...geriatric grandmas doing spins or something.

>>220725492
>They already had Hutts who were at least force-resistant enough that Luke couldn't bother them directly, and Toydarians were being introduced as well by this point.
some degree of this isn't bad tbqh. same with having a naturally Force-sensitive race. i'm fine with there being an outright biological component up to and including midi-chlorians (it's still magic, it's just like some micro-organism that respond to magic, shit's fine).
hell, you had the Empire/Remnant mining cortosis to stand a chance against lightsabers. that's not a bad invention when the implication is it's rare so they can't just cover every soldier in cortosis armour.
but a super-extra-special race from beyond the Galaxy's border, and whenever the Jedi try any of their tricks, they simply don't work because they're 'outside' the Force? lame. that's your D&D DM declaring spells don't work in this dungeon because there's just an unbreakable Anti-Magic Field, okay???

>>220725381
The books dragged on for SO fucking long.
Killing Chewbacca was dumb.
Omni as the final villain was dumb.
Boba Fett wank again.

>>220725514
>ironically it's far more interesting when it's just regular people
that's cool, except the best part of the OT is Luke beating Vader and then refusing to kill him only to be tortured by the Emperor for remaining true to his values
All of which requires two magic cyborgs and a necromancer to properly function, and approximately 0 normal people because Sim Aloo and the other guy shuffle out of the room when Vader shows up with Luke in custody

The 90s were full of unnecessarily edgy bullshit.
Everything was loud and overdesigned.

>>220725190
I like the Invasion comics.

>>220725542
i mean from the writers' perspective. i found it stupid as a teenager. and as far as i'm aware, there weren't fans on DeviantArt drawing their favourite Yuuzhan Vong characters because they're teh epicz0rz.

same with every author's little pet original character really, nobody cared about Kyp Durron or Corran Horn. but they always had to be shoved in there because they all turned into Jedi and became Luke's best friends.

>>220725542
No it's the difference between the autistic comic book and add on book reading teenager and the action for all ages crowd that actually bought tickets to see Star Wars. Edgy zombies had no mass appeal.

>>220725598
>>220725659
You have to look from the perspective at the time. They have been doing Imperial remnants, and Thrawns and Hutts and ayylmaos for almost 10 years at that point. And TPM was coming out as well. At first they planned for a Sith Empire returning, but made the Vong instead and the whole returning Sith angle was saved for SWTOR instead.

>>220725422
>a bunch of space zombies invading the galaxy that the heroes have to defeat? That's within the ethos of the original trilogy.
no it isn't, not even close. it's amazing how blind people are to this sort of thing. do you want a star wars movie about an ai moriarty escaping the holodeck, too? star wars is a swashbuckling adventure about kidnapped princesses and evil emperors. aladdin's lamp would be more appropriate than a space zombie invasion.

>>220725711
It was just a garbage stunt move to get sales with something drastically different.
But tonally it's just a mismatch for SW.

>>220725723
The movies were made to sell toys.

>>220725696
You just sound like a fag
>edgy zombies had no mass appeal
They most certainly did in the 90s and 00s

>>220725381
No life form should be Force immune in Lucas canon but I guess the excuse that they're from another galaxy works.

>>220725492
Mind tricks only works on the weak minded.

>>220725723
>do you want a star wars movie about an ai moriarty escaping the holodeck, too?
No, I want a Star Wars trilogy made between 1988 and 1993 ish that adapts the thrawn shit
And then I'd take a vong trilogy instead of the prequels

>>220725738
The movies were made because George wanted to tell a story like the old sci-fi series from his childhood. Selling toys was a natural consequence of its success.

>>220725643
of course, but they're exceptional by nature. it's the same thing with there only being a couple of Jedi survivors rather than the thousands there ended up being.

if you were some kid raised in the New Jedi Order and you heard tales of how Luke Skywalker defeated Darth Vader, chances are you'd say, '...and? My dad was K'rothax Vengarr, a Sith-turned-Jedi who defeated SEVENTEEN cyborg-sorcerers before betraying the Sith and then joining the Empire and then defecting to the Rebellion and then beating Luke in a duel but then...'

>>220725834
>My dad was K'rothax Vengarr, a Sith-turned-Jedi who defeated SEVENTEEN cyborg-sorcerers before betraying the Sith and then joining the Empire and then defecting to the Rebellion and then beating Luke in a duel but then..
Hey that's the plot of Force Unleashed.

>>220725834
>it's the same thing with there only being a couple of Jedi survivors
Luke being the last one completely as the OT implies (excluding Leia) is stupid
Obviously the Emperor having a dark jedi here and there and across the entire galaxy a a couple hundred jedi still being around is only logical, especially when they establish there are planets/moons with no real civilization and ones where the empire doesn't actually control things
But thousands might be pushing it

And the books never had Luke get outclassed, he'd get tricked or trapped or whatever but he was always OP, and despite no one at Disney having any idea that even happened, they decided to make him a pathetic retard based purely on the OT

>>220725190
I liked the shaper girl but they had some retard club her with a rock and die pointlessly when they didn't know what to do with her anymore.

Voxyn howling like a hunting hounds when they closed in on the Jedi at Ebaq 9 was a cool moment

>>220725723
>aladdin's lamp would be more appropriate than a space zombie invasion.
missed trick here tbqh. just take some fairytale concept and give it a Star Wars coat of paint, rather than following on from what's already 'in' Star Wars.

put a spin on it, e.g. they're going vaguely Greek and doing Titans. doesn't have to be some Marvel planet-sized beings, maybe they're even ancient bio-machines that the OG/comics Sith Empire defeated.

alternatively have more 'civil war' type splits. New Jedi Order apostates who become Dark Jedi but don't aspire to become Sith, that's old-fashioned and silly to them.

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>>220725723
>>220725514
>>220725243
>nooooo star wars must be the same shit forever and ever

>>220725884
i never played the games (looked cool tbqh, all that terrain destruction stuff), but the character sounded ridiculous. wasn't he even called John Starkiller or something?

i'll bet some of the EU authors were seething. trying not to step on each other's toes, then a video game decides Vader's secret apprentice could pull Star Destroyers from space. everyone just neglected to mention him before.

>>220725914
>Luke being the last one completely as the OT implies (excluding Leia) is stupid
i'm fine with it, tbqh. as the films go, it's pretty heavily implied they did just kill all the Jedi and only Obi-Wan and Yoda were left. even Grand Moff Tarkin says Darth Vader is all that's left of the Jedi religion.

MEANWHILE:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Jedi_Purge_survivors

>>220726111
>even Grand Moff Tarkin says Darth Vader is all that's left of the Jedi religion.
Right, but that's back when Lucas had obviously written it with the vague intention that the Jedi Order had fallen like 50 years ago so people who were born in the interim like Han wouldn't even believe in them
Which allows for even more space for survivors
And post prequel shit doesn't matter

>>220725695
I like Corran but yeah Kyp was a fucking drag

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>>220725302
they're essentially trannies so disney can't adapt them

>>220726044
First game is tons of fun. The story is retarded but the gameplay makes up for it, just fucking around with the force and slashing enemies. Second is a cashgrab, like 2 hours long. Starkiller was pretty hated at the time in the EU community. He was THE mary sue of the time.

>>220726176
>Right, but that's back when Lucas had obviously written it with the vague intention that the Jedi Order had fallen like 50 years ago so people who were born in the interim like Han wouldn't even believe in them
that's a fair point. the prequels had outright contradictions with the originals people now just accept (Anakin and Padme visited the Lars farm, where they already had C-3PO working...? did Owen have HIS OWN memory erased?)

the Empire in the OT is still a work-in-progress (e.g. they just dissolved the old senate, it's like a new era for them) but i would assume they've been around for a while and gradually grown in power.

who knows, maybe the Jedi Knights were actively fighting AGAINST the Empire, and by 'turned evil' Obi-Wan meant Darth Vader defected and switched sides t--
>lolno the Empire was FOUNDED 20 years ago.
...if you say so, George.

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>>220726533
>First game is tons of fun. The story is retarded but the gameplay makes up for it, just fucking around with the force and slashing enemies.

fair enough. i remember this demo before it came out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEJDInk1NXQ
this ain't Half-Life 2/Havok physics son, we throwan Stormtroopers into breakable walls now.
to this day that 'Euphoria' system gets a lot of praise. it was in GTA 4 (characters reacting to bullet wounds and so on) but they removed it for GTA 5, dafuq.

it's like some devs realised how many of us played Jedi Outcast/Academy in pure Force Grip mode: flinging dudes off walkways was the best way to play.

>>220725606
>omni as final villain dumb
So was the Mule

>>220725190
All they need to do is to give the rakata a forge and make them the next crisis.

>>220725190
I do. Finally a fucking villain that wasn't a Sith or an Imperial. I get why people may not like them, but I think NJO was, at least, undeniably ambitious. It shook things up in a big way. It's a shame that a ton of shit immediately went back to the status quo because of prequel-era garbage.

More aliens in a franchise full of aliens.
They also somewhat make sense in how they fight the New Republic.
>sith dynasty long gone, only ones left are posers from the Shadow Academy
>New Republic finally beats empire after decades, military is worn down and politics are fractured
>Jedi only numbered in the low hunderds
>they were in the unexplored regions planning all that time and strike decisively and with full force

I don't know where else the Expanded Universe was really supposed to go without rehashing the old Empire or Sith storylines again, and apparently Lucas wanted them to do something to stand out from the prequels. Funnelled all the Bantam Era stuff into one single chronological story instead of a mess of mid-tier slop like Callista and Black Fleet Crisis.
Wish the Vong could have at least made it into one of the games, would have been cool.

>>220725606
This is true. They could have put all the good parts in 5 books. Hard to get through.
As a villain they are more threatening than “Snoke” so it would have worked. Its like a bunch of skeletors. I don’t think it is the greatest idea, but some of the NJO is soul

>>220728336
>I don't know where else the Expanded Universe was really supposed to go without rehashing the old Empire or Sith storylines again
>Wish the Vong could have at least made it into one of the games, would have been cool.

the KotOR games had a Vong reference, which was neat.
but ironically THEY turned the ORIGINAL (comics) Tales of the Jedi/Old Republic stuff into yet more
>Empire or Sith storylines

it is just the prequels/OT with slightly different ships/uniforms.
'Sith Empire'. yawn.

bump

>>220725190
yeah, retarded faggots who hate star wars and wish it was like any other slop scifi franchise
>>220725243
fpbp

>>220729785
yeah that always bugged me about the Old Republic. It makes sense they didn't just invent all the the technology of the Prequels/OT in just a thousand or so years but at least the steampunky aesthetic of Tales of the Jedi set itself apart more, giving you a little feeling that it's set in the past. And i love the Bane books but "armies of Jedi and Sith" is indeed a bit ridiculous.

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I never read the novels, at least up to the point where I can comment on the Vong in detail, but it was an interesting and definite left-curve to throw the galaxy and story into. It just feels a little too...much. The Vong fit right into a universe like 40k. A species that is completely disconnected from the force and developed technology based around biology as opposed to the familiar WWII-tech in space Star Wars has. Those are interesting and unique concepts. However, the whole ritual scarification stuff is a little bit of a hard sell, definitely something that appeals to edgy 13 year olds as opposed to Star Wars which is meant to appeal to kids of all ages from 8 to 80. I don't disagree that Star Wars needed to shake things up lest it just repeats itself ad infinitum and the Vong certainly delivered that, although the Vong might have not have been the proper or appropriate thing to deliver it. The war was heavy too, wasn't it? Like Coroscant and Vong-conquered planets getting terraformed with their biotech, Chewbacca dying after a moon collapsed on top of him, Han abandoning his family, going back to smuggling and becoming a full blown alcoholic and the cost of the ensuing war was like, 70 billion deaths galaxy wide? I mean, where does the story go from there after such devastation in the midst of an already fragile and tumultuous time in the setting anyway.

I would love to see a take or a spin on it, but modern Star Wars would ruin it, even it was considered to be trash by a lot of people in the first place..

>>220732419
>the cost of the ensuing war was like, 70 billion deaths galaxy wide? I mean, where does the story go from there after such devastation in the midst of an already fragile and tumultuous time in the setting anyway.

yep. e.g. the destruction of Alderaan should be a big deal (to the point i wish more characters casually mentioned it - people in Star Wars just move on from shit really quickly).
but then the destruction of a planet pales in comparison to the power of the Vong terraforming Coruscant into Vong Prime, killing/enslaving everyone and growing moar ships to grow even moar powerfuler to invade what little of the Galaxy they have left.

it's like if you had a standard World War II story, Axis vs Allies, then all of a sudden the aliens from War of the Worlds invade Earth.

>>220725190
Yes. As the series goes on it actually does a good job fleshing out their culture and religion and gives sympathetic character arcs to several individual Vong. They ended up being far more engaging antagonists than I expected and Nom Aor is one of the franchise's most entertaining bad guys.

t. actually read NJO, unlike most people who complain about the Vong

>>220725723
>star wars is a swashbuckling adventure about kidnapped princesses and evil emperors
Only ANH is about kidnapped princesses and the Vong have an evil emperor.

>>220725190
No, it’s very gay edgeslop that fits more in Warhammer

The Vong were basically radical Islam. 9/11 happened right as the series got started too which just made it more compelling to me, an enemy that was filled with suicidal religious fervor.

I think a lot of that is lost on people looking back. There was a pervasive fear of that sort of radicalism at the time.

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Imagine actually reading this slop lmao

>>220732688
Akshually the series was halfway done when 9/11 happened.

>>220732711
Anyone who complains about NJO should be forced to read Disneyslop.

>>220732732
The first WTC bombing happened in like '93 or something. Radical Islam wasn't highly publicized yet but Salvatore clearly took inspiration from them when coming up with the Vong.

>>220725354
Palpatine somehow returns in the EU too

>>220732769
Partially, but the Aztecs were a bigger influence.

>>220732791
Yes but people hated it so most authors ignored it. DE wasn't good but at least it bothers to explain how Sheev comes back.

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>>220732711
>brand new continuity
>blank slate comic series
>right out the gate with quipping Vader, duelling Luke before TESB because nowhere said they DIDN'T fight ;-)))

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oh, and in nu-canon, Boba Fett was hired to stop Luke getting a holocron (or whatever this storyline was). so they fought, but it was dusty and then Luke got sand in his eyes, which is why he doesn't recognize Fett later on.

>>220725190
I like them more than the bs we got later

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>>220732911
>a good story, for another time.

>>220732791
>>220732868
People give Dark Empire crap for bringing Palpatine back but that wasn't it's problem. The story has Luke turn to the dark side... and does absolutely nothing with it. We barely even see him actin dark before he flips back around at the end of volume 1. Totally wasted what could have been an interesting story. At least the art was cool.

Chewie dying was stupid and you'll never convince me it wasn't primarily done for shock value to get eyes and attention on the series.

But some things about the NJO series were good to great.
>The New Jedi Order itself is cool that Luke built up through his academy over all of the other years of the EU. I like that they can marry and live somewhat normally and you start seeing Jedi families emerge again. I like that they let Luke be happy for a minute (at least until the next book series).
>Kyp Durron is relentlessly based in the series
>Ganner Rhysode's heroic sacrifice is kino
>Anakin Solo is by far the best Skywalker since Luke, should never have killed him off -- we can thank George Lucas for that
>Han and Boba Fett have some interesting interactions
>generally like what was done with Fett, liked seeing Mandalorians getting used in the series again
On the other hand, didn't greatly care for Vergere or the ultimate end with Zonoma Sekot or whatever. Jacen going full Neo was cool but eh, could've stuck the landing a bit more.

Nope, the Vong suck. They don't fit and that shit lasted for way too long. The only thing I remember really liking from the whole series was Ganner's last stand in the depths of Vong-controlled Coruscant. That was kino

Fate of the Jedi is even worse, though. Honestly, if the Disney buyout never happened, they probably would've needed to reset the EU at some point anyways

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>>220725190
I'm just sad Imperial Knights will never be canon again.

>>220725190
I don't, but my bigger issue with the EU was always the endless Skywalker wank.

>>220733288
>never
the way disney tries to plunder the old EU for cheap pops these days? don't rule it out

>>220725190
I do.

>>220725190
some do, but most don't, sure they were better than what we got with Disney but thats not saying much, honestly the idea of having a full story line post ROTJ is a retarded idea

>>220725190
>R. A. Salvatore
Drizzt Do'Urden was a pretty cool guy, though he did make dark elves super annoying because they were everywhere for a decade or so.

>>220725190
The le anti-force concept of them seemed very lame so I avoided it unttil it was literally the only thing left of the EU I had to read, and it was pretty damn good. My top 3 SW characters got officially decided for all time in it, with papa Han #1, Anakin 2.0 #2 and Jaina #3.
That trash that came after I suppose was their attempt to even it out by having Jacen take the eternal WOAT spot