>DS9's main cast included multiple black men, a Muslim, a Jew, a Nazi, a member of of the IRA, and multiple women>nobody got mad or started a culture war over ittake me back
>>220734906The culture wars are a plot by the Chinese in order to divide and conquer the west.Notice how this shit really only started after China entered the WTO and became a financial superpower.
>>220734906>that episode where Sisko was mad that everyone was using a holosuite program based on the early 20th century because black people were oppressed then and everyone told him he was out of his fucking mind and the moral was that he was wrongThis would cause a conniption among modern trek "fans" if it came out today
>>220734906>a muslima literal princeling
>>220735098The "Sisko cries about black people" episodes were by far the worst episodes of DS9. They were even worse than the "Jadzia is a whore" episodes, which were also really bad.
>>220734906Who was the Nazi?
>>220735002diametrical polarization is the simply the logical conclusion of social media having a like function, but yes many country's cyberintelligence agencies fan the embers as a matter of state policy to achieve their goals
>>220735174I think he means Odo, because he was in security and worked for the Cardassians or something.
>>220735174https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb4ezxM8YUg
>>220734906>womenWOMEN?IN STAR TREK?NOOOOOO CHUD SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
>>220735416>hot white women
god I hope Jadzia was the Nazi
>>220735562Kira is closest
>>220734906It was garbage tho
>>220735652>>220735562Kira is the terrorist
TNG > VOY > DS9 > TOS > ENT > nutrek
>>220734906You small child. Just because the internet didn’t exist as it does now doesn’t mean no one got mad. I was a lifelong Trekker until Deep Space Swill came out. I didn’t consider it canon at the time and I still don’t. It ain’t Trek.
>>220735416>NOOOOOO CHUD SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111lol
>>220735701wrong
>>220734906shows with some progressive themes aren't the same as shows written in the service of progressive ideology. In the first case the story comes first, in the second, advancing the ideology does.
>>220735098that was terrible and forced and all of society kind of unanimously agreed it was dumb
>>220735318robinson is so fucking good it's insanereally so much of the cast was
>>220735002It started after social media took off. Where the fuck was anybody going to complain in the 90s? Most of our current social problems are directly linked to the advent of social media
>>220737278>zoomzoom doesn't know how people communicated before socialsgrim
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>>220735313Odo, Garak and Quark all would have been charged as Nazi collaborators in real life.
>>220737278One of the thing an outsider to the white race such as yourself wouldn't understand is that we were MORE than capable of sharing our thoughts and feelings with one another without "the internet" and developing ad hoc consensus about media, entertainment, and social issues and was replicated across the nation.It's why people like you can't understand or tolerate how much white people loved the Simpsons and can still bond over it even though its best years predated mainstream adoption of the internet. You don't have that shared cultural context, so you just post "sneed" or "f**die" spam to show your contempt of being an outsider looking in at an age he wasn't a part of.
>>220737317Funny, those three along with O'Brien are my favorite characters on the show.
>>220737284My point is, who would give a fuck? Yes, we said racist shit among our friends, but so what? Then what happens? The culture war bullshit is pure social media, so I'm not even sure what you're arguing.
Maybe because the characters were interesting and their racial origin was irrelevant.
>>220737317>Quark >charged as Nazi collaborators in real lifeQuark's grandchildren would still be getting rich from it in real life regardless of what he did
>>220737356I'm arguing that you're an underage retard who doesn't understand how people communicated before social media. You're a clueless moron with no conception of the scope of the civilization you don't participate in, and that pretty much invalidates all your dimwit opinions.
>>220734906I bet there were bitches, bitching about it on USENET.
>>220734906>Mall Cop 9
>Colm Meaney and Alexander Siddig didn't like each other at first mainly due to politics>Meaney was a staunch Irish Republican and Siddig was staunchly pro Brit. >As the show went along they warmed up to each other and became great friends and would go out drinking togetherSome times life imitates art
>>220734906you could believe these were competent officers/individuals, the current diversity looks like they should work in the HR department.
>>220734906I like that this is true regardless of whether you are talking about the characters or actors. Well, except maybe the nazi part for the actors.
>>220735701>VOY better than DS9lay off the crackpipe, buddy
>>220735098I really dislike Vic Fontaine and I think his introduction weakens the last two seasons of DS9 significantly. Like Dixon Hill, it's retarded that these space-faring humans from over three hundred years in the future would still be waxing nostalgic over some shit that was forgotten long before they were born. Has nothing of significance happened in popular culture since then? Genres and mediums never once had resurgences? There was never a single future equivalent of the Renaissance? I think the writers had these discussions and promptly dismissed them so they could have le cool lounge crooner call Odo "pally" and sing songs that no one in universe would actually know.
>>220739201It is well-known that Earth Jazz was the pinnacle of Terran culture and could not be improved upon.
>>220739201Anon, it's just the future version of today's nerds medieval larping.
>>220734906There's no reference to Bashir being a Muslim
>>220739599He impregnates Kira while she's unconscious.
>>220739599His parents look hindu
>>220739624Both of the parents actors are Arabs, the dad is an Iraqi Jew (famously also played the soup nazi on Seinfeld) and the mother is Egyptian. Siddig is actually the last genetically Arab of the three of them.
>>220734906It's because all the people on ds9, blacks included adhered to White values.Sisko is essentially a white man who happens eats soul food.
>>220735928Geordi should be in green, he's the best engineer across all the series and he's good at explaining things to autists.
>>220739201Thanks goodness we enlightened 2026ers never waste our time playing video games and watching movies set in Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Ancient Egypt, Medieval Europe, etc.
>>220735928DS9's stories are just as mixed, especially given how miserably it fumbles its precious Dominion War arc it spent so long building.
>>220741140This. I do think it's lame that they don't invent more contemporary to the setting culture but im autistic and know most people wouldn't care for it.
>>220741066He's a good manager too getting results from retards like broccoli and the girl who spilled her cocoa on Picard.
>>220741211>girl who spilled her cocoa on PicardShame that character didn't stick around. Having a few TNG O'brien tier supporting characters can really enhance a show.
>>220734906Thats because we had yet to hit the 2008 recession where occupy wall street and people in general realising our differences meant nothing in the grand scheme of things and a handful of rich oligarchs controlled everything scared the shit out of said oligarchs. So using their control of the media they ramped up inflamatory, dividing narratives while militarising the police and changing hiring directives to ensure violent race supremacists with an itchy trigger finger became the norm.
>a member of of the IRAI assume you mean pic related but i think some of the cast and writers have said that Kira's character would have needed a rethink if they were to have wrote it after 9/11, and perhaps a different backstory where she eouldnt have chalked out quite so many "innocent" cardies. This gets explored quite well in the darkness and the light episode as well as brought up a lot when she's around Dukat so idk i think its written well for the time. I think its brought up in the plinkett staw wars reviews how Tos and the later 90's trek are pretty bulletproof when it comes to this sort of thing. There are some peculiar episodes though like Melora which misfire, although im not sure it started out as an episode about disibility or not.
>>220741211Fun fact: the girl who spilled cocoa on Picard is the 3 titty gal from Total Recall
>>220741413DS9 supporting characters >dukat>kai winn >weyoun>etc, etcVoyager supporting characters >naomi wildman >borg child #1>borg child #2>etc, etc
>>220741622>bashir tries to help accommodate a disability and make things easier>everyone gets mad at himThe bitch can crawl then
>>220737326That's the worst take possible..t 97% dutch
>>220735002It's the jews, the chinese are only piggybacking on that. How is that phrase "if your enemy is doijg something wrong don't say anything"
>>220739201>Like Dixon Hill, it's retarded that these space-faring humans from over three hundred years in the future would still be waxing nostalgic over some shit that was forgotten long before they were born.This is such a fucking retarded criticism and is something that only bothers people who are genuinely autistic.>durrr you shouldn't add modern points of references so audiences can relate to the characters>it makes no sense for tom paris to like cars and television, he should like BLORTBALL and GALZIMON instead, or some other futuristic thing we don't know about>this would make for better writing that would get audiences more invested in the charactersLaughable autistic logic for morons
>>220742317A few weeks ago this happened to me at the circle k. The cashier only charged me for 1 king size beer when I put both on the counter. Little victories like that are what keeps me going.
>>220735002It started with hysteria about Monica Lewinsky, pushed by neocon Jews.
No one cares about diversity, but no one likes forced diversity
>>220739663Bashir's dad is in Seinfeld but he's not the soup nazi.
>>220742320nta, I agree with you, but it does seem oddly dated sometimes. Picard waxing about robber barons and moby dick makes sense, he is supposed to be a history nerd. Paris being infatuated with cars is fine, I guess engineering will always have people interested, we still build trebuchets and crossbows and improve bows. Does the federation still play baseball? or where does Sisko's obsession come from? Did they ever hint at baseball being basically abandondend for centuries or is it still around?
>>220734906You're lying. Bashir and Sisko got a bunch of shit from fans plus jadzia was supposed to have a longer lesbian relationship with an ex but was cut short. It's just that it's easier for idiots with a mic to get more idiots on their side
>>220734906>nobody got madYes they did. The idea that people in the 90s weren't racist is one of the weirdest myths that zoomers seem to have bought into.
>>220742537>Did they ever hint at baseball being basically abandondend for centuries or is it still around?In the episode where they play against the Vulcans, nobody even knows the basic rules except for Jake. It would be like if you were in the army today and your commander was *super* into jousting, had a lance in his office, organized jousts against other bases, etc.
>>220742656 kassidy say that her brother or some relative of hers is organizing a league on his colony world.
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>>220742537Nobody still plays baseball but they remember it existed at least. Nobody's setting up the holodeck to play basketball or soccer.
>>220742708>le occupy I cant believe zoomers took that joke seriously. No, the Chaz-lite homeless encampment didn't scare anyone. The increase in race baiting articles was the result of Newspapers dying and all ad revenue moving online as outlets reorganized to optimize clickbait. The same "occupy end date" data point coincides with a bunch of different stuff because the early 2010s was extremely transitional
>>220734906Strange new worlds is a bunch of models, and one black guy but talk about it in trek see what you getIt’s up there with tng
>>220742803>It’s up there with tngWhat
>>220742787occupy is why obama repealed the smith–mundt act, making it legal for american entities to produce propaganda targeting americans.
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>>220742656Man that would have been sick as hell, all my CO's were into faggy turbo nerd shit like coin collecting and model airplanes.
>it's the episode where the gang accidentally kill George Floyd too early, so Sisko has to get Odo to kneel on his neck so the timeline isn't ruined.
>>220743110It’s as good as next generation Everyone is perfectly cast, it’s in a splinter universe which will merge with the prime, pike is great. No one on the cast is annoying. Good stories long and short some serialized, a really good court room episode, crazy shit like muppets and musicals which gets hilarious, Spock turns into a pimp, the dance scene at the end of season 3 was one of the best I. Star Trek history, they had been building to it for 3 seasons It’s only knock is it has too much heart and can be too wholesome
>>220735928jake sisko is overhated he is nowhere near as bad as people make him out to be
>>220743593I always love a jake-o episode. The development of his relationship with his dad over the entire series is one of the better handled things about the show, maybe its because i didnt find Wesley as annoying as most people did idk i thought the writing and acting was solid for most of it.
>>220739072NTA>It was just Lord of the Rings this whole timeVS>They complete their Star Trek: Voyage (TM) home and the finale is a fucking BORG episode to boot. I like both shows but DS9 is a lot closer to X-Files with it's entire mythology storyline being mostly trash in hindsight. >Sisko's actor was so fucking awkward in S1/2 I legitimately thought he was going to have a sleeper cell / terminator arc where he was actually some kinda alien imposter all along and just pretending to be human. He kinda was though
>>220738132I was born in 1989. Back then you just didn't watch bullshit and it eventually went away. Now, you always take the Jewish rage bait and do free advertising for their degenerate garbage by talking about it on social media all day.And I'm about 99% positive you were born in the 21 century
>>220743593He’s a “””journalist”””. Thats bad enough
>>220743744His episodes are with Nog most of the time, which is great, they're one of the best duos in all of trek.
>>220743744id rather watch any of the jake episodes than any of the dax ones
>>220737317quark ran a black market and smuggled people out during the occupation, he would have been fine Garak was openly exiled and the federation was still watching himOdo would have been nueunberged for sure if he were any other species and not a one-off unknown alien with unknown alien morality (the Federation always has a soft spot for the unknown)
>>220735170This guy gets it. People that like far beyond the stars are such massive faggots.>Yeah my favorite episode of Star trek is the hamhanded over acted after school special, I hope this means I will be attacked less by chimpsJadzia went from being a quirky boring whore to being Worfs cumrag, while still being a quirky boring whore. And they know they fucked up with that characters since Ezri was so much better in a single season. Who would have thought that a character that struggled with herself was better than the perfect slut
>>220744067was this really the best image of jake they could find?
>>220735098that episode makes sense when you view it as a direct criticism of contemporary boomer nostalgia for "le good old days"sure it doesn't make much sense in a future society where racism is truly gone but for an american audience it is a valid criticism
>>220744320To imply he’s Grima Wormtongue? Yea
>>220739201>hey tv writers and set designers on a shoestring budget and a strict time table, go ahead and come up with a completely new genre of art that will both be believable and resonate with modern audiences for our 46 minute episode about a little man with big fake ears getting freaky on the holodeck yeah i wonder why they didn't do that
>>220734906It's because 90s diversity was pushed with the intent of promoting a mutual sense of common humanity while modern diversity is just leftists resentmenting straight, white males.The decline is entirely the fault of mentally ill progressive Gen-X and millennial activists getting their diseased hands on pop culture.>>220735002>muh CCPWhy are amerimutts incapable of self reflection? The culture war is home grown and a direct product of a distinctly American cultural mentality. The MSM is the truly guilty party.
>>220743773A lot of The X-Files's mytharc episodes hold up well as quasi-episodic thrillers, though. DS9 has some similar examples ("Pale Moonlight" most notably) but it drove itself off a cliff and most of the Dominion War is just tedious in hindsight.
The very worst ds9 episodes are actually watchable, have pacing, Story and character development. Watch (attempt) the latest star slop and its fat black chimp shallows its badge for the 3rd time in a row because of low IQ whilst a cuckold version of voyagers doctor takes the knee......that's the episode....that's it
>>220735701TOS > TNG > DS9 > VOY > ENT
>>220735098Avery Brooks was the only one who wanted itLike genuinely they writers didn't want to do the whole 'haha we're quirky, look, we're referencing modern day problems' but he basically through a fit until they agreed. The whole cast agreed it was utterly shit
