Why didn't they do this to the death star? No one thought of it before pink haired lady? really?
>>220746766It was a one in a million chance, you don't get it
>>220746766this isn't canon
>>220746801It's amazing how disney is going to do this and get away with it.
>>220746766>Rian Johnson strolls in for one single movie and breaks star wars lore foreverkind of based to be honest
theres been a perfectly logical in-lore explanation for this since well before the sequels. of all the things to shit on the ST for, this isnt one of them
>>220746766why didn't leia fly the eagles back to the ship?
>>220746835>theres been a perfectly logical in-lore explanation for this since well before the sequelsWhich is...?
>>220746766>there's no need to fire on that cruiser that's turning aroundwhat were they low on guns?
>No one thought of it before pink haired lady? really?correct. admiral holdo is the smartest person who ever lived in the star wars universe
>>220746910the force is female chud
>>220746766>Why didn't they do this to the death star?No one was brave to take the ultimate sacrifice and end their own life for the sake of the galaxy. Thank goodness they found another way
>>220746952droidsautopilot
>>220746916well, ok, but like, it's uh, yeah
they made a trilogy of movies out of first drafts
>>220746974Droids lack a soul. The Holdo manoeuvre requires a brief tapping into the force.Autopilot is just a droid ai in a spaceshit
>>220746852hyperspace is a different dimension that sits on top of the "main one". mostly theyre physically separate, they just share a "coordinate map" so you enter and exit at corresponding places. however, objects that are sufficiently massive (massive as in, having a lot of mass) cast "mass shadows" in hyperspace, meaing they are physically tangible there. the biggest case of this is planets. this phenomenon is why hyperspace lanes exist. theres no risk of crashing into a random x wing in regular space when youre in hyperspace, but you could hit a planet, which is why predefined lanes are helpfultherefore, to hit an object in hyperspace while its in regular space, it needs to be massive enough to cast a mass shadow. the only thing in the entire PT and OT this would apply to is the death star, and the rebels found out about its achilles heel basically the same day they found out it existed, so they never needed to waste a capital ship on it.it works here because the ST capital ships are so retardedly massive. theres not really a sense of the scale because theyre all just cgi grey masses in space, but while you might intuitively think snokes ship is roughly star destroyer sized, its orders of magnitude larger (see picrel). so, it casts a mass shadow, and can be kamikazed into. you can just holdo manouevre any old ship thats inconveniencing you, because most ships are just too smallall of the lore here has been canon since whenever hyperspace lanes were first mentioned, which i wanna say is the PT?
>>220746766It created a perpetual plot hole impossible to fix. Great job Rian Johnson.
>>220747002that were poorly edited too. I knew episode 8 was trash when Rose was gushing over Finn and saying he was the reason she joined. Like...cause of the stuff that happened yesterday? It's clear they wanted episode 8 to have a time jump from 7, and then got rid of it, and pulled an Ed Wood, no one will notice.
>>220746952So 30 pilots killed instead
The odds were a million to one...Which means an admiral fucked everyone around and sacrificed an expensive ship doing something that probably wouldn't have worked.
>>220746766It's dishonourable, like turning your lightsaber off during a fight
>>220746819top fucking kek I can't wait for them to officially announce it>uh yeah, pretend the last 10-12 years of star wars never existed we're starting overthe meltdowns from leftists online will be for the history books
>>220747038right... So why didn't they do it to the death star?
>>220747038to add to this, the "million to one" line is an attempted retcon from jj abrams who does not understand any of this. for all his flaws, either rian johnson understood this specific aspect of lore better, or got lucky. i dont really care which, ive been checked out of star wars for a long time and all these films suck. my point is just that the holdo thing specifically was never an issue
>>220747141>the only thing in the entire PT and OT this would apply to is the death star, and the rebels found out about its achilles heel basically the same day they found out it existed, so they never needed to waste a capital ship on it.just say you didnt read the post, zoomzoom
>>220747038>>220747153Sure sounds like a piece of lore that would have been relevant to bring up in the movie itself.
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>>220747184pretty sure the ship they sacrifice in TLJ isn't very big. The Rebels in ANH surely would have had a few freighters or fancy royal Cruisers lying around.On top of that, the Death Star run cost the lives of all but one of the fighters, and would have failed if it weren't for Obi-Wans ghost interfering. It was a bad plan, when you put it like that. It was literally the only shot they had, so they threw whatever pilots they had at it, and just went for it.
>>220747224kek
>>220746974Apparently droids have self-preservation instinct.It is why there are no kamikaze drones in SW universe, only this buzzing ball droids from SW III
>>220747224How did they train and build shit on a planet of barren rock and no sun?
>>220747254Put a brick on the accelerator.
>>220747089Yep, they could sent Porkins as a Kamikaze
Why didn't Leia kamikaze the ship, and then jump out?
>>220747233>pretty sure the ship they sacrifice in TLJ isn't very bigdoesnt need to be, its just whatever youre crashing into needs to be big enough. even a tiny ship would probably be enough since its essentially acting as a bullet going at the speed of light. i do agree that it would still have made more sense for the alliance, but this lore was only written in either the PT or clone wars era so george didnt know about mass shadows yet kek>>220747224im not really defending the movie itself. i dont like the sequels. my point is solely just that the complaint of>the holdo manoeuvre breaks the loreis false because the necessary lore had already existed for a decade+ by the time tlj came out. im not really saying that counts for anything, its just vestigial star wars autism from when i used to care more about this stuff
>>220746766this looked coolpretty much everything is a weapon at high speeds
>>220747314so why didn't they do it to the Death Star?
>>220747258How did he get away with this
>>220746766The real question is how this is a deathblow when they still have several star destroyers that can chase them when they leave the planet?
>>220747314>doesnt need to be, its just whatever youre crashing into needs to be big enough....so why not hyperspace into the death star?
if you think about it logically, this even being a thing, would just result in the Empire building smaller ships and super weapons. >dude, it's the size of a moon, which makes it vulnerable to hyperspace ramOkay, well that's a useless design, isn't it?
>>220747038>never needed to waste a [single] capital ship on it>instead they waste 1000's of ships AND lives doing a bombing run on it
>>220747348Same reason why the entire galactic empire died when the emperor got killed.
>>220747038ok, then why did the Empire build the Death Star instead of just having droid piloted battlecruisers hyperspace ram planets
>>220747372Does it even need to be a capital ship? Can't they just find a big barge or something?
>>220747367Why build a death star at all when a single ship can already destroy a planet. A handful of TIE fighters can take out a whole system,
>>220746766>droids exist>get cheap junky freighter ships>ram them into anything you don't likecongratulations, you just solved SW metanot only that but since it completely disintegrates on impact there's no way to trace the attack back to youyou can literally hyperspace into a system, then immediately hyperspace ram whatever you don't like. good luck defending against that. literally nothing anyone can do.droids and junk ships are so common even a regular nobody can buy both easily and eliminate a capital ship or level a city that way
>>220747380An emperor dying is a pretty big fucking deal compared to the nobody snoke was
>>220747388droids said no, apparently.
>>220747335>>2207473631) the rebels found out about the death star, had to come up with a plan to counter it, and faced it, in the space of like a week. either they didnt think of it, couldnt logistically manage it, or, since they found out about the exhaust port at the same time as the station itself, felt confident in being able to do it with the trench run. none of these are particularly convincing imo2) mass shadows and their lore implications ruin the OT. its probably this oneas i keep saying, im not defending mass shadows. im just saying TLJ didnt come up with them. i dont like this movie any more than you guys do, i just have autism
>>220747038If this a known vulnerability in-universe of things past a certain size, why would they possibly keep making things that big without any countermeasures?
>>220747430TLJ certainly came up with the idea that you can do that amount of damage by hyperspace jumping into something.
round head essentially turned every ship in the SW universe into a wepaon of mass destruction and expects us to believe they wouldnt simply outlaw space travel for everyone but government employees like libshits try to do with guns. Why would the empire have any qualms at all about outlawing space travel for prols?
>>220747372>instead they waste 1000's of ships AND lives doing a bombing run on itThe rebels only sent a couple of dozen ships. You can see it pretty clearly in the film.
>>220747430>mass shadowsdoesn't exist in the movies, keep your EU bullshit out of italso the rebels showed up in force to attack DS2 and again didn't hyperspace ram anything
>>220747388>>220747434this one i dont have too much beef with since a major running theme of the story is the empires hubris and how that leads to their downfall, so i can accept them knowing about the weakness and doing it anyway because theyre arrogantit would, however, have been in character for the CIS. every week they had some new macgyver ass weapon they were testing out>>220747456its an object travelling at the speed of light, i dont think its counterintuitive to assume it wouldnt exactly tickle>>220747489its in the books, clone wars, rebels has a whole storyline dedicated to it
>>220746830Fuck Rian Johnson and fuck Star WarsBased
>>220747038Interesting, yet somehow still retarded.
>>220747517How about it destroys the pilot immediately, and deals only superficial damage to the target?I don't know the specifics of how hitting something from another dimension would work, because it's all sci-fi gobletygook, but I understand a fictional universe needs to establish particular rules.
How the fuck are you retards STILL seething about this stupid movie almost a DECADE later?
>>220747555Everyone is making fun of how retarded this franchise is, you are literally the only one seething in this thread you trips wasting faggot
>>220747551>How about it destroys the pilot immediately, and deals only superficial damage to the target?maybe. i can see an x wing just bouncing off a planet's mass shadow, but if two planets were to somehow collide thatd obviously fuck them both up. but i think taking that kind of stance favoures the holdo manouevre since the ratio of the ships in question's masses is close, relative to like, an x wing and the death starif the supremacy is just over the threshold of "big enough to cast a mass shadow" which we have to assume it is, then its as frail an object as can do so, and its being hit by an entire capital ship. and its long, flat shape presumably means it eats any impact that isnt long-ways pretty badly. even if the rebels threw their biggest capital ship at the death star, its still a lot bigger than the supremacy so if the scale of the collision is more dependent on the masses of the ships colliding, the rebels might never have been able to make a dent.
If something as small as an xwing can hyperspace, why not have hyperspace torpedos?
>>220747328Yeah, it looked very cool, not arguing that.>pretty much everything is a weapon at high speedsThat's the problem. Why is it the first time in this Galaxy's history that someone think of this tactic ?Especially the CSI, which had an army that was 99.9999% droids ?Why would even the empire bother construct a Death Star ? Just put hyperspace boosters on big enough asteroids.
>>220747659>Especially the CSI, which had an army that was 99.9999% droids ?
>>220747038That’s nowhere near the Death Star’s size, and I have a solution that’s even better. It doesn’t involve mass shadows, which is good, because I don’t think even the Supremacy was massive enough to cast a significant shadow in Hyperspace. It is simply this:The Hyperspace tracker.As shown in the earlier part of the movie, the First Order is using unprecedented technology to track the Resistance fleet. It’s so new that the Resistance is baffled over how they were followed. They think it’s either a spy, a beacon, or both. When Finn and Rose have their retarded brainstorming session, they mention that the o ly ship bog enough to house such a system would be the Supremacy. They never explore how such a tracker would work, but that’s fine, as it allows us to “headcanon” whatever explanation we like. I’d say that the most logical explanation for its function is that it establishes some sort of superposition with a targeted craft, in this case the Raddus, and maintains that superposition through the higher dimensions of Hyperspace. That means that the tracking system itself extends into Hyperspace and that when the Raddus rounds and make a jump into a Hyperspace tunnel directly in the Supremacy’s path, it collides with the tracking system at superluminal speed. This fits with what’s shown, and even explains the crew’s reaction. You wouldn’t necessarily react as shown to a “one in a million” chance of being obliterated, but you would definitely react that way to an absolute certainty. This explanation also carries the added benefit of neatly dealing with the tracking tech, making it a double-edged sword that’s only going to allow you to, at most, track a target through a single jump before it gets turned against you, beneficial because as universe-breaking as the “Holdo Maneuver” is, the tracking tech is just as bad, as it renders impossible the go-to hit/run/hide guerrilla tactics employed by underdogs.
>>220747703Thanks co-pilot
>>220747691kek
>>220747703Then why did the Republic and the CIS didn't just hyperspace-bomb eachother's planet into oblivion ?
>>220747703To conclude:There - proof positive that fans love this IP and approach with an imagination and creativity that should shame the people currently in charge of it. To paraphrase Charlie Booker, “Fuck Disney for happening. Fuck them all for sitting there and slowly making things worse.”
>>220747703>That’s nowhere near the Death Star’s sizeno, but its the second biggest ship weve ever seen, so its reasonable to assume the threshold for casting a mass shadow is somewhere between it and the third biggest ship
>>220747787True, but unlike what I posted, it still doesn’t explain away the problems Retard Johnson retroactively created.
>>220746766Because it is metaphor for shattering any good feelings towards the Star Wars as a whole, and we didn't need it until last trilogy
>>220747614star wars was always dumb stuff for kids. what does it matter. all you niggas do is nitpick the same things for decades. you can do that why didn't he this why didn't they this stuff to basically any movie anyways
>>220747774Because they couldn’t. Only the First Order had the tracking tech, and more to the point, getting pulled out of Hyperspace down a gravity well isn’t the same thing as a superluminal collision *in* Hyperspace. “Hyperspace bombing” of a planetary mass would remain impossible, because its gravity well would knock you back into 3space before you collided with it. Disney fucked this shit up six ways to Sunday, too, but the OG fans remember how hyperdrives and gravity wells were supposed to work and still understand what Akbar meant when he said the Rebels were trapped at Endor.
>>220747709No, my sentence structure fucking curbstomps Ai.
>>220747388The Death Star was less about blowing up planets than it was about the *threat* of blowing up planets. Actually wasting an whole planets worth of resources because they were getting uppity wasnt a viable strategy, long term. But make a big show of your planet killer weapon, and more importantly that you're crazy enough to actually use said weapon (hence Alderaan going boom). It was control through fear with all the firepower to actually back it up if push came to shove
>>220746766This is like Superman superspeed breaking every bad guy's weapons and throwing them in a containment field before they can even react. Like sure, you can do this but it breaks your entire world you dumbfuck.
>>220747137But you're literally melting down about it now. Right wingers have been crying over Star Wars for literally a decade and a half. Do you ever grow up?
>>220748174>The Death Star was less about blowing up planets than it was about the *threat* of blowing up planetsDude, you could at least fucking track THE Death Star (there is one (1)).Big Asteroids bombing you up ? Now that's terrifying. That could come from every fucking direction ever, and could aim several planets each fucking time because - wait for it - space is full of fucking moutain chain-sized asteroids.What is the worst ? One (1) moon sized ship that could only be one place and firing one thing at times, or an infinite number of missiles all over the fucking galaxy, that could aim everything all at once ?
>>220748174You know what my autistic brain wrestles with? This: what’s exploding when the Death Star blows up Alderaan. Explosions are always exothermic reactions, so what “powder keg” is the “match” of the Death Star’s laser actually lighting? I understand that it’s the reactor exploding when the Death Star itself goes boom, but I’d have a far easier time seeing it reduce Alderaan to a molten ball than blowing it to smithereens. It might not be as dramatic or look as cool, but it would make a lot more sense.
>>220746800so that means she was running away, but she ran into that 1% .
>>220746830The past 9 years have been extremely funny to me, always felt star wars cvcks needed to be humbled
>>220748336Melting down? Where did you pick that up? I think you're imagining things.The Acolyte ended all the star wars hate because all that hate turned into apathy. Nobody even cares anymoreNow I am merely waiting in anticipation because I love seeing leftist lose their shit when the chuds win. It makes me smile.
>>220746830George Lucas and others worked their asses off pioneering industry leading effects and techniques to build a franchise empire that only took one film for a soft nepo hollywood cock vacuum to destroy
>>220746800Why not just launch 1 million missiles with ftl drives strapped on them then?
>>220748336>cryingCriticism and repeatedly warning them that they're doing irreparable damage to a beloved franchise is "crying", I guess. Guess what, faggot? History has proven us right once again, as it basically always does.
>>220746766She had a high Midichlorain count and was connected to the Force, and she used Force Ram when she flew the ships into the First Order fleet, similiar to the Force Speed Qui-gon and Obi-wan used at the beginning of The Phantom Menace.
>>220746766>RLM also apologized to this during the Mandalorian review. Those fucking slobs have completely lost the plot.
>>220750101>Fat Manchild Redditor who's audience are all ADHD mongoloids who need prostitute jokes cut into their reviews to keep their attention cost Disney million of dollarsKind of epic
>>220749399But enough about the phantom menace...
>>220747224Based Frodo.
>many ask why this is not the standard maneuver to fight the imperium>now listen, young pandaone, to perform this maneuver, a sacrifice like no other is required, it is fueled by a pilot's soul, condemning they/them to an eternal, never-ending hyper-death>it was performed once, by the brave general, nay, WOMAN, Holdo>NOBODY would every be.. this brave again
>>220749415That's not how odds work!
>>220746801Sequel trilogy was a mistake since the start, the Empire coming back even stronger makes no sense, they are just scared of walking forward with this franchise.
>>220746830It was kind of funny watching all the star wars fags twist in the wind when it happened
>>220746766Are we still having this thread lel
Where's your trilogy, Rian?Knives out doesn't count
star wars isn't sci fi it's a bunch of cgi nonsense written by people who couldn't care less. even george's movies were retarded. does gravity even exist in star wars? how do spaceships just float around planets with no downward trust? it's all fucking stupid
>>220748363Having your entire planet's core vaporized in a split second would do the trick. All that matter/energy has to go somewhere, out is really the only option
>>220748348You essentially described Palpatine's Final Order of thousands of Star Destroyers all equipped with miniturized Death Star lasers
why don't the bad guys just grow midiclorians in a lab and people with them?
Is the death star capable of hyperspace travel? if not how is it a threat? it would take centuries at least to travel between planets.
>>220746830He pretty much raped star warsfags and they have STILL not recovered ten years later. Star Warsfaggots close there eyes at night and they see this face as they get violated like a bitch on a pinball machine.
>>220751972the prequels were ugly, nearly every starship and vehicle was repulsive to the eyes, only a handful were aesthetically pleasing
Rian Johnson thought he was going to get his own trilogy after this movieBAHAHAHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHHAH
>>220752397It can hypertravel, but because of the whole gravity well thing, it has to exit Hyperspace waaaaay further out than smaller spacecraft would. That’s why it had to exit on the far side of that gas giant and approach Yavin from behind it.
>>220746800what were the other 999,999 outcomes?
>>220746766nobody was brainrotted enough by wokeness to think of throwing a major flagship asset into the enemy as a physical bomb before this. they were a ragtag insurgeancy with limited resources. can you imagine how devastating a loss this would be if it had failed? ONLY the pink haired foid could possibly have been this insane and irresponsible with the future of the republic
>>220751972If Luke, some rando poorfag living in the middle of nowhere on a farm can afford a floating anti-gravity beater car it's safe to say that the Star Wars universe has more or less mastered the manipulation of gravity
