>What's the plan sir?>Well, we could send out some skirmishers and send men around to flank them, bring up an artillery piece or two.. no, let's walk towards them over open ground and die.
britain conquered half the world doing this. worked all the way up until WWI.
>>220750107prevents long drawn out, forever warsprevents destroying infrastructure of the place youre trying to occupy
>>220750107Why didn't they just have a row of strong people carrying large thick steel plates in front, or maybe a wagon with the steel plates attached and pushed from behind.That would pretty much stop all musket fire from reaching the troops.Maybe have small openings in it to shoot from or even use arrows basically to lob over the wagons? I mean none of these people have any protection from arrows either.
>>220750107sure, the british are retarded for fighting like this but the real retards are their enemies that seemingly adhered to it.
>>220750149lost the american revolution to snipers
>>220750197ah yes, a field and some trees, vital infrastructure
Here's what happened when white people who fought like this met brownoids who didnt
>>220750249thats why they fight there
>>220750295where else would they fight? 99% of europe was fields and trees
>>220750242No you retard, it was the Fr- yeah you know what, it was snipers
The New England colonies in the northears had fought some vicious wars with the locals for about 100 years before the revolution. Sometimes they teamed up with tribes to fight other tribes and the french. They learned a few things and had the home field advantage.
>>220750293this is the equivalent of smurfing then parading around your match history like it proves something.
>>220750107> be in charge> have 100 men you need killed ASAP> for England!
>>220750242this is as real of an american story as paul bunyan or bigfoot. and I wouldn't dislike you for believing in either of those things.
>>220750293Imagine getting your cheeks clapped by your era's equivalent of Walmart
>>220750107The infantry line was just a small part of armed offenses back then. They were employing various types of cavalry (gunners and lancers with sabre sidearms), field artillery and mobile infantry to lay pits, fougasse and barbed wire. The general field tactics revolved around outmaneuvering the enemy through a combination of a scouting, cavalry flanking and then pushing with infantry lines at the most opportune moment. No Hollywood film is ever going to show you what actual Ancient, Medieval, Renaissance, Early Modern or Modern combat looked like.
>>220750353The Ottoman Empire had plenty of guns and cannon fool
>>220750312towns, transportation hubs, bridges, etc, which is what a militia does by embedding in and hiding.
>>220750293literally how the fuck? ottomans must have had muskets by then, they had been around for centuries by then
>>220750107why don't they just spread out and then aim and fire in a single point on command?>muh accuracyyes that's why I said they all aim in a single point I didn't say they should snipe out individual targets fucking RETARD
>>220750312youre retarded btw
>>220750405Now that I think about it, jeets are the only people so week they got conquered by a company...
>>220750212A shield capable of stopping musket fire would have weight hundreds of pounds. You can try to argue as much as you want but the obvious reality is that it simply wasn't viable. You think no one back then knew about shields? You think no one ever worse plate armor and had a shield in the face of musket fire coming out of the middle ages? They just decided to ditch a viable defense for no reason? Stop being a little bitch retard.
>>220750375there werent that many sharpshooters in the revolution but they did a lot of damage. They were not using muskets but some off brand frontier shit
>>220750242
>>220750212this is often how early firearms were used in medieval times, behind shields that could be moved. the concept was mostly abandoned for the same reason armor was.
>>220750407idk bro they always seem to just be charging across a flat empty field and getting mowed down like suckers.if they outfitted regular soldiers with simple plate shields it would've stopped almost everything thrown at them short of cannoballs.this whole thing was going on because suddenly there was a surplus of men that they could simply give a uniform and a musket which were mass produced. every country was getting into the whole human wave attacks as a bragging point because of how class and bragging rights were perceived in a military context.
>>220750424The Ottoman force was mainly cavalry in that battleThey circled around French squares like retard for the entire afternoon without managing to do anythingThen Napoleon arrived with his small reinforcement and burned their camp, which made the Ottomans think they were surrounded by a large enemy force and they broke down in chaos
>>220750500No. Literally nothing you said was true. You are detached from reality. Stop writing lies on the internet. It's a waste of time and energy to argue with you about every falsehood that you just think up and assert as truth.
>>220750424Napoleon snuck up on the Ottosissies from behind and looted their camp while they were dealing with a diversionary force. When they saw Napoleon's forces wandering off with their carpets, camels, and tents (i.e. 99% of the individual wealth of an 18th century Arab) they freaked out, broke formation to run off and save their shit, and then got cut down.
>>220750500yes, I am sure you know better than the thousands upon thousands of military strategists of the time. carrying around thousands of pounds of steel that could be moved very slowly was definitely more effective than having highly maneuverable troops, all of these military minds were just too dumb to see it.
>>220750500Guy who is definitely smarter and better at war than every human alive from the years 1550-1900
>>220750407This 100%. >>220750500>idk bro they always seem to just be charging across a flat empty field and getting mowed down like suckers.Yeah, just like they do in Game of Thrones and LOTR and The Dark Knight Rises lmao because that's what Hollywood does.
Friendly Reminder that the USA military is 3-0 on the Germans with their first defeat at the hands of the continental army before we were officially a country. Suck it krauts.
>>220750605the outcome of WWII is easily the worst thing to happen to the western world.
>>220750508>>220750580Ottomans taking the Ls again
>>220750508They had 10k infantry and 25k cavalry. The big factor is that Kleber's men were upon ruins that acted as effective fortifications so that mean that it was a slow battle of attrition. Kleber was forces were about to be outlasted and ultimately annihilated when Napoleon arrived and flanked the Turks, sending them into confusion. Both Kleber and Napoleon charged the confused Turks who became disorganized and about 1/12th of them ending up drowning in high waters trying to escape.
>>220750107Movies never depicted battles realistically because they dont want to educate the audience. They would have been using skirmishes and cavalry.
>>220750424The technology gap is severely overrated.Sikhs were home producing the most up to date rifles and artillery and they still got stomped.
>>220750781It was always about discipline and tactics first and foremost.The Second Dahomey War is a good exemple of that.The Dahomey negroes had modern British rifles and were even provided the latest machine guns by Germany, who went as far as lending them German gunners to man them, but they still got absolutely annihilated by the French with ridiculous k/d ratios in every battle because of shitty discipline and tactics.
>>220750438not as retarded as the idiots marching over an open field
>>220750970you'd be one of those retards of the time
>>220750107Why didn't they just use drones? They must have been stupid.
>>220750434Then it's easier for cavalry to slam into them and start cutting them down
>>220750212Wagon forts were fairly common in the east.
>>220752034Yeah during the late middle ages
>>220750107i watched that movie and the whole time i was screaming >wtf you retards! you stupid fucking retards!
>>220752034>>220752034Yes it was their version of poke and shoot.Effective against the the Tartars.
>>220750107It is always funny when some armchair general thinks it knows better than the greatest military minds of the time. That shit conquered the world.
>>220750107its a movie
>>220750242we won the american revolution with conventional infantry tactics. you are a retard
>>220752974>>220753002i like how threads die as soon as i enter them. fuck you guys
>>220750107Think of how many men a century ago met this exact fate in their final moments. Video related
>>220750107The point of wars was to cull the best men to leave nothing but beta faggot pushovers who wouldn't stand up to government tyranny and breed generations of effeminate furry twink phucbois to get railed by BBC, just as (((they))) planned!!!FACT!!!
all i know is that the ottoman's artillery in empire total war is a complete rape traini don't know how they didn't take over the world having shit like organ guns
>>220750315Why are Americans always spewing French erasure?
>>220750107I think they had a better idea of what tactics won battles than you did, OP.
>>220754466Because organ guns were largely inefficient and really only worked in specific circumstances.
>>220750149they couldn't even conquer ireland lmaoEngland is literally 0/20 against whites
>>220753002you're rightamerican irregular militias got absolutely clapped every time they tried to face british rifles in battleguerilla warfare is all well and good but it was in its infancy at the time and limited in capability by technologyamerica actually won the revolutionary war once they trained up regulars of their own (thanks to frances money and expertise) and actually started winning engagementsbut it is a better story for your country's founding that amateur soldiers went up against the foremost global power and won
>>220750107Some no-nothing faggot in the year 2200:>so like they just hurled drones and missiles at each other like morons? Haha, what fools. I am a military genius and I think they should’ve fought like we do now
>>220750107How many times we had this thread?
>>220754803You lost against colonies, then they saved Europe twice and proceeded to go to the fucking moon. You live in America's world. Deal with it.
>>220755230Every day. Might as well make it a general at this point.
>>220755259Pretty shitty world
>>220755303Maybe you shouldn't have let Mayer Amschel Rothschild buy your military, defeat Napoleon and then swindle you out of your entire banking system.
>>220754803actually we won french support after demolishing Burgoyne in the Saratoga campaign and taking 7,000 regulars as prisoners.And no they didnt, we inflicted immense casaulties on british regular at bunker hill, and the millitia and lexington and concorde had the britIsh routing while shitting their pants hoping they could run fast enough to make it back to boston.
>>220755321Maybe America shouldn't have waged war against Europeans for jews
>>220750212Its not viable for maneuver warfare, line battles were decided by discipline and moral so it was about who would break first, the losing side would just run and if you did that you could be hunted down. Trying to run around as an expeditionary army with tons of Iron walls is stupid.
>>220755259Then you filled your country with mexicans and niggers lol
>>220755393actually the jews owned Great britain financially and the americans were against giving foreign bankers power in the us.
>>220750107You will criticise them doing this hundreds of years ago but not the Soviets during the 30's/40's because you squee at the sight of sickles.
>>220750212You again. How are you going to carry all those shields around?
>>220750249holy shit. You are a dumbass
>>220755426How do you like your grooming gangs, Nige? Stop pretending that we aren't all in the shit together.
>>220755426you live on hell island
>>220755431That didn't work out well
>>220750149Most of that world was browns eating shit out of cows assholesIt worked well in ww1
>>220750954Guess you never seen blacks shooting guns LOL
>>220755431>Fight epic, heroic anti-Monarchist war against the Anglokike>Half your Founding Fathers are fucking Freemasons gj no re
>>220755426What are they down to now? 47% white? The future for usa is very grim
>>220750420Yeah and they got raped harder than they did in their bathhouses.
>>220754803dude we learn in school about how certain figures like lafayette, steuben, and kozciuzko were incredibly important in shaping up the continental army to become a professional fighting force.
>>220755431They were not against it, they did it willingly
>>220755503the american revolution wasnt antI monarchy, the beef of the colonists wads with parliment which is why the olive branch petitIon was sent to king george.>Half your Founding Fathers are fucking Freemasonsas was everyone with any political power in europe at the time.
>>220755534the war of 1812 was literally started by the uk to get the us back under a central bank. we didnt have a central bank until 1913. shut the fuck up you dont know anything
>>220755438on wagons that are pushed and maneuvered by ten good men and true
>>220755561>the war of 1812 was literally started by the uk to get the us back under a central bankexcept that the USA declared war while britain was in the process of sending their concessions to avoid war...
>>220754975>Just bio bomb them lmao, they don't even mind hack their commanders? WTF!
>>220755596Sounds like an army like that is going to move pretty slowly.
>>220755551>>220755561I'm not sure how to reply something so stupid. For one thing the War of 1812 isn't a thing, it's a footnote in the Atlantic Theater of the Napoleonic Wars, basically World War Zero.
>>220755709this is cope, you dont even have a country
>>220750107Fuck me - you're *still* doing this thread? How many months/years has it been now?
>>220755820many such cases
>>220755561Ah were just making things up now. And yes the US willingly gave foreign bankers power in the US
>>220755625>their concessionssuch as?
>>220755853no we didnt , it was widely unpopular and both times in 1811 and 1832 the bank was shutdown. we didnt have a central bank until 1913. why are you coping so hard
>>220755761I'm not sure what you mean by that so I'm just going to assume you're retarded, but the war of 1812 was fought between British North America and the United States of America while the rest of the world was engaging in its first global conflict. The 14th Province really thinks they are the center of the universe.
>okay everyone just march orderly towards the enemy as you get mowed down en masse>meanwhile we'll make sure Lord Snobbybottom flanks the enemy>everyone gets killed>sorry ol chaps looks like Lord Snobbybottom has a grievance with Duke Earliebutte over Snobbybottom leaving his niece and losing at a game of whist so he refused to advance, helluva predicament, he'll have a good talking to back at the camp over tea and crumpets
>>220755887>hey are the center of the universe.we areits illegal of fly your national flag in your own country . you live in an orwellian hell. all the
>>220755887>first global conflict.false that would be the 7 years war
>>220755906Candlejack?
>>220755906i cant tell if you're brown and illiterate or just seething so hard you forgot how to type
>>220755853>willingly
>>220755944your country is 75% indian. dots not feathers
>>220755959is your theory that captain smith acted as kamikaze pilot for no benefit to himself, and killed 68% of his passengers and crew, just to kill 3 guys?
>>220755887this is an interesting goal post shift to ignore the fact that the us didnt have a central bank until 1913, unlike you're raped anglican jewish owned country that is willingly subjugatIng itself to the most extreme islamists on planet earth
>>220755971>Of the 36.3 million people enumerated in 2021 approximately 25.4 million reported being White, representing 69.8 percent of the population.[1][7]>As of the latest American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau in 2024, Non-Hispanic Whites account for 56.3% of the populationFrom Wikipedia, the free Encyclopedia.
>>220756019You're replying to the wrong guy retard.>>220756019
What do you get out of posting the same thread over and over? Are you a bot? An AI? An autist? A troll?
>>220750149>we beat the jeets doing thisliterally everyone beat the jeets, except the portugese. the portugese literally lost a war to the jeets and unconditionally surrendered because portugese are dumber, more cowardly, weaker and more bitch made than jeets
>>22075605445% of canadian births come from foreign mothers...
>>220756019You literally know nothing about my country since you said it is illegal to fly our national flag and that our country is 70% jeet instead of 7.1%. But keep seething, mutt
>>220754803>american irregular militias got absolutely clapped every time they tried to face british rifles in battleCowpens
>>220756076?
>>220756128are you not from the uk? am i actually engaging with a raped canadian faggot?
>>220750605based>>220750643yurop deserves to be buck broken and humiliated
>>22075612860%+ of births in canada are from nonwhites and 44% are from foreign mothers.
>>220756104Its a space for lots of people who pretend to be stupid to get into arguments with people who are actually stupid, and a meta troll on people who want to honestly answer questions or discuss things.
>>220756187>>220756115.....making Canada in the next generation 55% White or one generation ahead of America's racial suicide cuz you mutts were 55% White yesterday.
>>220756302>60+55=100yuropoorian math. this is why you can't put a man in space, thirdie
>>220750500this is hilarious. You can't be serious right?
>>220750405To be fair a couple of silicon valley tech bros could get together and create the strongest army on the planet if they really wanted to
>>220756479Even if they could get military grade weapons morale would be for shit. Those silicone valley guys are all homos. Nobody wants to fight for them.
>>220756397Except you never went to moon you stupid faggot. John Gotti shot JFK and everyone smart jumped ship on your failed experiment of nation state. You've been running on fumes since 1963 and it's time an actual nuclear nation took you to task for it. You're so high on your own domestic propaganda you can't read the writing on the wall.
>>220756459yeah too bad they never invented shielded wagons irl, oh well
>>220756561keep jumping all over the place eventually you'll have to come up with a legible argument
>>220756479They could try but they'd get btfo by a ragtag group of third worlders with jeeps and soviet era guns
>>220756561>third worlder doesn't believe in the moon and thinks the earth is flatevery time. the fucking state of polish education
>>220751211there is no cavalry in this scene though
>>220756561When did nelson mandela die? How do you spell the last name of the children's book bear family? Which basketball player starred in the 1990s movie about a child finding a genie, and what was it called?
>>2207566092000sberenstein or some shitshaq; don't remember but I do remember shaq-fu
>>220756591I'm sorry you're retarded. I promise it will be quick. I'm probably lying.>>220756601Actually jeebus said the earf is flat so it's twuuuu!!! Jk, I'm not a christkike who gave my penis to a mohel because the cornflakes man told my parents to. (google John Kellogg lmao)
>>220756609No idea.Bernstein bears or some shit.Shaq? Shaazam.
Genuinely, what were they thinking? Line battles are so fucking stupid. Imagine being at the front of it. No cover, no flanking, no hit and run tactics. Idiots.
>>220756691And yet you're speaking their language all these years later.
>>220750434>>220756603NTAin addition to the cavalry issue they found that stacking them together like that made them easier to command and made let them get off more shots from the same location at an insignificant increase in terms of getting shot back>>220756663damn you are one mad cockless third worlder. notice you seethed about nuclear states, because your third world shithole is too retarded and dickless to invent nukesyou will forever be a thirdie
>>220756691they generally wouldn't engage each other if one side had a fort or was dug in and you can go look up death tolls for battles like cowpens or san juan hill. unless there was a rout with horses the number of guys who actually died from getting shot was crazy low. you were magnitudes more likely to die of shitting yourself to death in camp than actually getting shot and then dying
>>220756771Actually I was saying.....you know what, nevermind.
>>220750107They were not a handful of fucking commandos infiltrating positions and blowing things off, there were thousands of soldiers stretching across miles of terrain. Skirmishers were used for reconnaissance, to locate the enemy and maybe harass a position lightly defended, maybe they could get lucky and kill a couple of tens of enemies, leaving hundreds more for the main army to deal with.I'm sorry your little brain cannot grasp the magnitude of these battles.
>>220750107The vast majority of rank and file musketmen were worthless people. Criminals, vagabonds, brainlets, deserters, etc. They had to be kept in tight formation because if left to their own initiative they'd simply lay down and nap at best or run off and desert or go rob/rape the locals. Not only was keeping them together a measure of control, having a few dozen or hundreds of them get shot was no real loss to society. Often times it was preferential.
>>220756803keep crying thirdie. your millennium of humiliation has only just begun
>>220750424The Ottoman Empire was pretty much a joke by that point, the Europeans kept them around for a solid century though because they were preferable to the entire middle east balkanizing (see: what happened to the ME after the Ottomans fully keeled over), and you could essentially just slice little pieces off of the Ottomans whenever you wanted more land. That, and they provided a valuable check against Russia. Since Russia exists in only two states, absolute joke and horrifying powerhouse, it's good to have the Ottomans to take up most of their attention when they're in the powerhouse stage.
>>220756861Maybe in your country, the British army was a professional military.
>>220756904>if you were a bong officer you needed to buy your own gun, your own uniform, your own handgun and your own swordthat reminds me that Custer fought at little bighorn with a remington rolling block. and they specifically made rolling blocks in .45-70 government but his was in some other caliber because he was a fag
>>220750107>send out some skirmishers and send men around to flank them, bring up an artillery piece or twoThats what they didwhat you are seeing is the odd occurrence.
>>220756982They needed to buy their commissions too.
>>220756691>>220750107All countries in that time were ruled by royal families. All leading individuals in the armies were of royal origin, young nobleman would march along with their troops, older nobleman would take positions of command. Kings would act as field marshals.War was mostly a bravery dispute between royal families, and there's nothing more badass than to march toward musket fire while playing drums and smiling.Everything involving war was meant to display honor, from uniforms to tactics, killing was secondary.French revolution and the sunset of royal families changed the nature of war.
>>220754744Beat Napoleon.
>>220750107Sorry you were too retarded to join the Navy
>>220754744They did conquer Ireland. The Irish continue to seethe about it to this day.
>>220757023The French Revolution changed line warfare because the French mass conscripted every peasant they found to compensate for having to fight all Europe alone, and since they couldn't be assed drilling said peasants to reach high quality line warfare skills, they invented the concept of "columns" which basically consisted in bayonet charging at the enemy line in rectangle formation instead the habitual gentlemanly musket fire exchange.
>>220757023In fact, wars were very different from nowadays also because there was fewer KIA.Wars were mostly settled on rout, meaning soldiers would panic and retreat/run, which would be a big dishonor to the nobleman leading that unit.The trust that peasants had on their noblemen commanders were usually the deciding factor for victories.
>>220750212>shoots my cannon straight into your cuck shieldNotin' personel, kid.
>>220757077That's a secondary reason.The major reason is that there were no gentlemen left, all the noblemen died or left France, so there wasn't anyone willing to do gentlemanly musket fire exchanges.
>>220757104you're mistakin g18th century warfare for medieval warfare. all war is about maneuvering and out positioning your opponent, even today
>>220757023>>220757077>>220757173It feels like I'm on reddit; people who think they're experts on a topic because they watch movies made by people who don't know anything about the topic.Besides the fact that Barry Lyndon is set in the Napoleonic era -which is markedly after the french revolution- nobles and aristocrats led armies because they were the most suitable, being educated and having actually studied historical battles. Just because you don't understand 19th century warfare doesn't mean you can make up bullshit.
Guys, this is where I learn history, so please don't troll and tell lies.
>>220750107>skirmishersHad those, Called irregulars>flankersHad those, Called cavalry>Artilleryliterally the backbone of that type of fighting.The infantry where mostly a pressure and zone controlling force, as well as the austerity and shock value of disciplined volley fire while the above mentioned actually won the battles.Rank and file fighting always gets focused on solely because of the perceived absurdity; but rarely did actual “front to front” battles in wide open fields like this take place unless both armies where in long hours of stalemates behind fortifications.but movies double down on that absurdity for the sake of making you retards feel smarter than those who fought then; forgoing all sense of tactics and planningAnd it sadly works on you goyevery single fucking time.
>>220757283holy shit retard, that scene from barry lyndon is from the 7 years war pre american revolution.
Ideally, isn't your cavalry trying to crash in from the side while your infantry line does the volley fire attrition exchanges?
>>220757426>Battle of attrition This is the most poignant lie of them all in regards to tacticsYes standing firm while taking stray pot shots would happen, but after noticing a full measure volley fire about to take place neither the commander nor the men would just “stand there” reloading or taking hits. Just like conventional warfare now, it was fire/displace/fire/displace just in unified groupings. Utilizing whatever cover you could find whilst still maintaining volley fire.
>>220757426Cavalry charges were risky due to pikes and then eventually bayonets. Cavalry were mostly used to scout, help with offensive maneuvering and then you used the deadly charge when the enemies were disorganized enough to not be able to mount a solid bayonet formation.
>>220756861The most Jewish interpretation of European history I’ve ever read.
>>220756799This anon actually learned something in class.
>>220756799It's said that in the 17th century you could smell an army before you could see it.
>>220750293The french fought mamelukes which were the ruling class of the mameluke sultanate that the ottomans kept around after conquering them in the early 16th century. The Ottoman empire had modernized it’s army at that point and managed to halt the french advance in the levant.
>>220755259>then they saved Europe twicethe second time we killed europe instead of saving it. we saved Israel and the Soviet Union.
>>220757641>The Ottoman empire had modernized it’s army at that point and managed to halt the french advance in the levant.Yeah that's not what happenedAfter easily conquering Egypt, Napoleon overextended with an ever shrinking army (due to diseases) and kept advancing north with the intent of conquering Anatolia with his force of 10,000 men (which goes to show how little respect the Ottomans inspired), but the Britain stepped in and prevented the French fromp capturing Acre, which compelled Napoleon to retreat.
>>220750420Didnt work so well for them.
funny part is that even in a modern infantry squad, the final assault of a position is literally get in a line and advance forward at a fast walk with your gun up from hand grenade range (35 meters)it's the formation which maximizes forward firepower and overlapping fields of fire. maneuvering to that position is the hard part, and ideally most of the enemy are already dead or disabled by the time you get there too. But if they aren't, you shoot them.
>>220750212A goal of war is to thin the male population. A war with a draft now where like 33% of the male population between ages 18-39 would do wonders for society, but the U.S. doesn’t fight wars like that anymore.
>>220758167*18-39 were killed would do wonders for society
>>220758167>>220758186You could always do your part and kill yourself today.
>>220750293Fun fact, no Muslim army ever won against Europeans after the Battle of Hattin in fucking 1187They're that shit at war.
>>220754319why don't they just zigzag? stupid bongs.
>>220750242Americans still think the British sent a significant force there to keep it. It was way way down the line of their priorities at the time, it was just another colony that was proving to be more trouble than it was worth.
>>220757370for real
>>220756874>when they're in the powerhouse stage.When's that? Post Stalingrad?
>>220750463Ok then put the shields on wheels retard
>>220758727you're a stupid bitch
>>220758727Okay so now you got shield carriers and wheel carriers.Guess what the other one has: musket carriers. You lose.
>>220750420turks are notorious jobbers they lost like a dozen wars to russia
>>220756874Yeah, fucking awesome to keep the Ottomans around so that they can keep raiding and enslaving people. Would have been better to completely annihilate them and free the Christian communities living under Ottoman oppression.
>>220750440The FIRST company.
>>220750420Doesn't make the Ottomans any less evil.
>>220759361The main reason Ottomans were being kept alive is to counter Russia. A russian-controlled Anatolia and Constantinople would threaten the British position in the eastern mediterrannian. At that point turks were willing to suck everyone's cock and eat their shit just to be kept alive.
>>220750149>worked all the way up until WWI.No you retard these tactics were pretty much obsolete by the end of the American civil war.
>>220759556They weren't. Experience in the American Civil War only loosely applied to actually big wars in Europe. The same tactics as before, slightly adjusted because of the introduction of breech-loaded rifles were used in the Franco-Prussian war and all up to WW1 where they truly became obsolete.
>>220750407>No Hollywood film is ever going to show you what actual Ancient, Medieval, Renaissance, Early Modern or Modern combat looked like.
>>220759361He's talking about regional political strategy, which is going to outweigh the enslavement of a few people in politicians' minds, usually.
>>220750107>let's walk towards them over open groundgood plan if you fear bad PIP rolls
Joining the army is inherently retarded so it makes sense why they'd follow retarded orders.
OP here just woke up, thanks for taking the b8 yet again
>>220750107>wall of gunfirebecause the only counter to this is a bigger wall of gunfire firing from further away. there's a reason why this strategy remained unchanged until the invention of the machine gun; because it worked when your enemy only has muskets.
>>220750440many of the early American colonies were set up by and ran by private for-profit companies. the general consensus is they were safer and more prosperous places to live than the colonies administered by the King directly, which is why the colonists consciously modelled their new republic off the the organisational structure of the colonial companies. the flag of the US itself was modeled on the East India Company flag because of it, too. and the term 'president' and its role comes from it as well.
>>220760223Donkey :D
>>220760227You’re very welcome. I always love seeing this image because it reminds me of an incredibly based period of military history. Bright colors, drums, flags, open, fields close quarter shooting, and mists of gunpowder smoke.
>>220756479PMCs consistently underperform in battle because there are few weaker incentives to throw your body in front of a nested machine gun than just the promise of a paycheque.
>>220760600Oh really? Which colonies exactly?
>>220756982because until WW2, European officers were all aristocrats who inherited the position in the same way they inherited the title to Duke or Count. a holdover from the mediaeval era when armies themselves were basically the personal bodyguards of whatever Lord owned them.>King Richard has declared war on France, and has requested Lord Mountrambottom of Slevedgerimshire to provide his 67th Army comprised of conscripted peasants from his personal landholdingswas the norm of European military organisation until the Cromwell reformed the system into the New Model Army that the Prussians and later Napoleon copied/popularised/made successful. Officers were simply the Lord's nephews and sons.
>>220757538Heavy cavalry absolutely was used to break infantry lines. Tanks were invented specifically to fill the heavy cavalry role that had been obsoleted by the invention of the machine gun and trenches.
>>220760841>who inherited the positionnope all commissions were purchased retard
>>220760896only for a period of about 150 years, and it was more about acquiring promotion from one commissioned rank to another. and you still had to be an aristocrat to purchase it, some lowbreed couldn't just come along and buy his way to being a colonel. the highest rank a normal person could hope to achieve would be Sergeant, the highest NCO rank.
They had rifles that were accurate up to a 100 yards and took 10 seconds to reload. You're gonna have to get close at some point. Also, artillery was already the backbone of armies at this point and did most of the killing. Infantry was mostly there to pin the enemy in place, so the aforementioned artillery could assrape them.
>>220761021Also, you have to get this retarded video game idea of real life being a Total War game out of your head. No commander wants a pitched battle because that's dangerous and leads to casualties even in the best case scenario. Instead they would try and outmaneuver each other forcing the other army to retreat into an untenable position where after a quick fight they would be forced to surrender. At least this was the case in the 18th century. 19th century (and onwards) is a different story.
>>220760753Underperform vs whom? Don't tell me you think US soldiers have a different motivation than money. I doubt anyone outside Arab ragheads does
>>220761583the vast majority of enlisted men enlisted out of a sense of national pride. the money is secondary. barracks bunnies and reservists don't count.
>>220761583Soldiers are paid shit pretty much everywhere and by now everyone knows there's two ways to motivate a soldier>Threaten to kill him if he doesn't do what he's told>Blow smoke up his arse and tell him he's a special boy safeguarding his family by killing some equally retarded peon on the other side of the world
>>220750212>spend a fortune on steel plates capable of stopping shot>have to invest in specialized troops trained in maintaining the plates>have to either have men carry them (will be left behind in a ditch along with cookpots and tools as they so often were)>or sacrifice wagons that could be carrying food, boots, etc to carry them>single cannon ball slaughters the unit while its shuffling aroundYou're not that important bro
>>220750107A squadron of cavalry is estimated during the Napoleonic times to be able to kill 4000 infantry out of square formation in about 5 minutes.You CANNOT spread out, even forming lines is extremely risky and only to be done on favorable terrain. The formations where dense because it made people feel safer, and they could more easily form defensive square formations. Once they formed square formations the enemy could threaten cavalry charges outside of effective musket range while their friendly cannons would devastate the square formation, which they MUST hold or get run over.People went to university to fucking learn this shit, no they wasn't retarded, it was very smart and it only changed due to the immense tech leap into WW1
>>220757036He said whites, anon
>>220761683*lances your horse with an 8' spear*now what
>>220750107Why didn't they use a shield formation like the Romans did? Just have a row of guys carrying big shields walk in front of the gunners.
>>220761827A brown bess rifle could penn up to 6" of steel or iron.You would need to carry a massive 8" iron shield. Horribly impractical
>>220761824Shoot you with a pistol or carbine, obviously.
>>220761919>accurately aiming a smoothbore whilst riding a cavalry horse at full gallopgood luck
>>220756554not true at all you get v bucks for every kill and you can all share the nintendo switch and netflix password. Morale will be through the roof.
>>220750500Stop watching game of thrones.
>>220761963all my homies on horsies be shootin' too, now square up nigga
>>220758727Try building a 300lb steel shield on wheels and then push it through a grass field, retard. We don't even use shields today outside of protests because it's not possible you divorced from reality low iq fucking idiot. I hate you.
>>220757943The brits gave naval support while the ottoman defenders kept the french out of the city for a month and a half. After suffering a couple thousand casualties the french managed to breach the walls but by then the ottomans had built a second wall inside the city and the french gave up after that.>>220758309>lets ignore the Ottoman empireWhy are you a bunch of sniveling lying shits?
>>220764838The British navy captured the French artillery, which is what decided the outcome of the siege
>>220764599First time? Shield schizo is always in these threads.
>>220764912Replacements arrived after that and were used in the final assault which was repulsed.
>>220750212>>220750463>>220758727They actually tried something like this in WWI, and the answer was that it makes you artillery bait.
>>220750107>>220750107Well we still that war didn't we? And the next one and the next one and the next one-we won all the wars all of them
>>220765198Just put teh shields on the artillery then
>>220765198Yeah and they were shit. Too heavy to reasonably carry or push through battlefields, not very good at stopping anything but stray rounds and of course bait for artillery. And when are you just going to have an open shootout with a bunch of other soldiers in the context of actual combat? It's just someone's low IQ fantasy of what war looks like.
>>220765198So wait until the artillery is launched then move out of the way. Why the fuck didnt they think of that?
>>220765198Retards look at that image and think, "yeah you can push that through a battlefield or transport it to strategic locations, that makes perfect sense"
>>220765339What if you put an engine in it and add some tracks
>>220765446What if we dress you up like a woman and send you into the enemy camp to distract them while the rest of us sneak in
>>220765505Depends on which side we're on. Would work against the british.
>>220754744England won numerous wars against Netherlands, Spain and France.Not fan of eternal Anglo, but it's facts
>>220750107Back when warfare was honest
>>220750586Yuropean tacticians of the time were a inbred landed class that didn't even think to wargame until the 1800s.
>>220765446Then you have a tank
>>220757370This. I learned about that time Pompeys soldiers mutineed on him to look for some long lost legionare gold for 11 days and pompey would just come out with a slave with an umbrella and cold mamosa and laugh at them once a day until they got bored and fell in line l... from a /tv/ thread
>>220757668yurop deserved it >>220758133cause grenades are the goat weapon
>>220758167>but the U.S. doesn’t fight wars like that anymore.the US has only ever had like 4 drafts ever. they didn't even do a draft during the revolution or 1812we did a draft during the civil war where only 2% of union troops were drafted WWIWWIIlike 1948-1973 (korea, cold war and vietnam) it was literally only a democrat thing so they could send people to die in a slave army. it's why wilson and fdr both changed the way the national guard works so they could illegally deploy them over seas when the constitution is explicit in the fact that the militia can't be used as an invasion force>>220759556>>220759780>>220750149they were still shooting each other in lines up until WWI. the were just doing it from 600-800 yards away. there were also no major wars between crimea/the civil war and WWI so they were basically only shooting blacks or some small detachment like the bores or the asspainish in cuba
>>220761021>They had riflessmooth bore muskets. even le olde timey rifles were good up to 300ish yards depending on the sights and the shooter. the major limit for effective range for rifle fire was human vision until the mass adoption of magnified optics during the GWoT. you can't really see someone who is trying not to get shot past 300 yards
>>220761021>>220766576actually I kind of undersold it. the other limiting factor other than human vision is the ability to estimate range, which is a very difficult thing to do. rifles before 1886 (and really until modern rifles) have terrible arcing trajectories so you could hit someone out to 300 yards with a bakers rifle but you would need to be able to see them, the sights would have to be decent and zeroed and you would have to specifically know they were at 300 yards and have a 300 yard setting on the sights. one of the really good things about 20 inch M16 rifles is that the original combat zero for an M16a1 had a point blank out to 300 yards. which means, assuming your rifle was zeroed correctly, if you aimed at someone's torso and they were 300 yards or closer your bullet was hitting them in the torso since 5.56 is really flat shooting. if you tried to shoot someone at 100 yards with a baker rifle set to 300 yards you would end up shooting over their heads. I'm sure there are more examples of it, but there's a famous one from the fireforce book where the africans were setting their AKs to 1km on the sights and shooting clean over the rhodesian's heads because >it made the gun shoot stronger
>>220766547service in the millitia was required for all able bodied men during the war of 1812
>>220766817this is basically what I learned from a national park ranger @ minuteman park. firelocks just did not have a high gurantee of accuracy back then. they had to stack up to ensure a higher chance of hitting what they were shooting at. 10 people firing in the same trajectory had a higher chance of blowing someone's head off. there were also logistical reasons. a fighting army would require a large van in close proximity to supply | guard supply lines. if an entire regiment got smoked from lack of supplies, it could take another 6 months for support to show up from across the atlantic. whereas today you could just airdrop support to units when needed. as armies moved from one destination to another, the van typically followed them. when the British marched into the battle of Lexington & Concord, the British sent fewer than 1000 men, because they presumed they would easily overwhelm resistance & anticipated minimal necessity for supply lines all the way out to Concord. What is interesting about the battle of Lexington and Concord is that the militias all operated under a somewhat decentralized schema of asymmetrical warfare & mixed unit tactics. For example, we know that at Lexington, militia were mostly lined in formation to meet the British regulars, however there were some Minutemen hidden behind cover at a nearby tavern. When the battle of Concord began a few hours later, the Acton militiamen met the British to face in standard format (they drew lots of straws and Acton had to take the front) whereas the Concord, Chelmsford, Westford, and Bedford militias were lined on a hill along the tall grass behind them and chased the British out with overwhelming gunfire. When we get to the portion of that day where they are fighting on Battle Road, it gets very ugly, and the British were desperate for reinforcements and more ammo. About 1000 more British troops arrived halfway through the day and they still got chased out at Menotomy.
>>220761855Not him, but what if they pushed a row of carts in front of the men? And possibly with layered cover and angled metal to absorb/deflect the musket balls easier. They had power but it's not as easy to penetrate an angled surface with a ball as a modern bullet.
>>220750249russia and ukraine seem to think so
>>220754569Because a large majority of the battles were fought by the colonials. French supplied. Nobody says the Russians won the Vietnam war.
>>220750375you lost, nigel
>>220761855>A brown bess rifle could penn up to 6" of steel or iron.I really doubt this.
>>220767797>Wood Penetration: In historic tests, the musket could penetrate up to three (1)-inch thick wooden boards at a distance of up to (300\ yards.Yeah I don't think it was punching through six inches of steel bro
>>220767693source on it being required. there was literally a debate in congress about a draft in 1812 because Madison wanted one and congress refused since it was slavery >>220767730everyone at Lexington was using a smooth bore. Even guys like Hezekyl Wyman were using smooth bores. the rifle tradition stuff was closer to Pennsylvania where you had more immigrants from germany/central yurop since rifled barrels were more of a centeral yuropean gun making tradition (there's also debate about how many kentucky long rifles were actually rifled)the brown bess was super fucking inaccurate because not only was it smooth bore but they also shot undersized balls though it that didn't even engage the barrel because they were faster to load and you could shoot them longer before the barrel got too fouled up to load the gun. someone like Wyman would have been using a smooth bore but with a smaller caliber where the ball was the correct size for the bore and paper patched to ensure that the ball contacted the barrel. Wyman is mentioned in multiple diaries from bong soldiers during the battle road battle because he was able to hit the bongs from outside the brown bess range due to his more accurate smooth bore. he also allegedly was one of the guys who was part of the old men of menotomy with armni cutterThey had rifles for other battles, like at Saratoga Tim Murphy shot the bong Col. Fraizer with a rifle at like 300 yards from a tree, but all parties at Lexington and Concord would have been using smooth bores
>>220750375>>220750471>>220767790>>220750242>>220753002Tim Murphy was a sniper and he killed the bong Col. Fraizer at Saratoga and frazier was the bong's best tactical officer There was also, allegedly, some rifleman from Kentucky that single handedly killed like 50 bongs at the battle of new orleans in 1814
>>220755432Soviets were masters of combined arms warfare and deep battle, you’re just retarded
>>220758309The ottomans literally ass raped(yes literally) British troops Not to mention the Ottomans beat the Russians several times, Hezbollah and the Taliban sent the mutts running and Iran is btfoing America currently
>>220768187>when they kill your king and destroy your infrastructure you winlmao, you yuro thirdies have never won a war, third worlder. also I've never seen a flag from a white country call Americans mutts. it's always some african country like greece or portugal
>>220756105>portugese are dumber, more cowardly, weaker and more bitch made than jeetsUnironically true
>>220764599>give all soldiers roids>they get swole and can carry 300lb shields no problem
>>220754319Yeah, war is stupid and lots of men have died pointlessly in war.
>>220758309Are you retarded?
>>220750605In both world wars you faced a fraction of the German military while the British, Russians/Soviets and French did 80% of the work.
>>220768886the bongs and frogs did -80% of the work in both world wars. they were worse than useless. it's why they both lost the suez war to egypt. the commies surrendered in WWI (which the US won single handedly) and pretty much every truck, tank, bullet, gallon of fuel, boot, piece of meat and loaf of bread the russians had in WWII was made in Americawe single handedly won both world wars because we are genetically superior
>>220769026>loses every war after WW2
>>220754744Ireland lost at a spiritual level.
>>220758309Jokes on me for actually getting mad for a moment about how retarded this post is
>>220750149>we could only kill literal shit-eating stone-age browns, and even then the Zulus could assfuck us with fucking spears and leather shieldsThe instant Britain had to fight against whites, or niggers with an actual gun, they lost.
>>220750500Everyone is insulting him and calling him names but no one is actually answering him.
>>220769095we won the cold warwe won the golf warwe did the UN mandate in Koreawe controlled basically all of vietnam, afganistan and iraq, the problem is you can't stop guys from fucking goats so the overall goal was unwinnable unless you completely genocided the entire countryeither way, we raped and gaped your ass, thirdie
>>220768886>the British, Russians/Soviets and French did 80% of the work.Soviets are mostly responsible for defeating Germany in WW2, although they'd have had less, maybe much less, chance of doing so without US aid via lend lease. The French were defeated in six weeks. The Brits might've, maybe likely to have, had to negotiate a peace with Germany had the US not supported them though the Royal Air Force and Navy were certainly very capable.WWI, yes of course the Bongs and froggots did most of the work there.
>>220769298Britain defeated France in the War of the Spanish Succession, the Seven Years' War, and the Napoleonic Wars in the 18-19 centuries. Beat Spain too.
I watched this movie and I unironically don't think barry did anything wrong besides cheat on his wife and be too harsh on his faggot son
>>220750107it doesn't fucking matter, the movie is trying to tell you the war is deadly
>>220769312He has been answered, multiple times in multiple threads. And he keeps asking the same questions, so he's either legitimately retarded or he's acting retarded as bait.
>>220769393This narrative that the Soviets held off the German pretty much by themselves is absolute revisionist nonsense, Stalin himself admitted that lend lease kept them in the war. The soviet military was woefully unprepared for war, mostly due to Stalin himself purging anyone who actually knew what they were doing. It took huge amounts of aid and a mountain of dead Russians before they were able to start producing their own war material and experienced command staff. Don't forget that the Germans were always on the brink of running out of fuel and their tanks were unreliable and hard to maintain, and Hitler liked to second guess and micromanage his generals. The Soviets did a hell of a job holding off and eventually beating the Germans back but acting like they were alone carrying the war on their back the entire time is nonsense.
>>220769393the bongs and frogs did none of the work in either war. the french are all weak, dickless surrender monkeys and the bongs have never won a war against white peoplethe bongs and french suffered a crushing and humiliating military defeat to fucking egypt in the 1950s
>>220769867This is mostly true. What I meant was more so that the USSR did most of the "work" as in killing and dying, to defeat Germany in wwii, including their first real set back at Moscow before Lend Lease properly kicked in. If the US had remained neutral, they still would've held them off at Moscow, but Germany would've had a much better chance for a better outcome in 1942, with no Lend Lease.
>>220770068>the bongs have never won a war against white peoplewhy are brits so bad at war?
>>220770181if the US didn't do lend lease the entire continent would be speaking german.>>220770201low IQ, poor dental hygiene and inferior genetics to Americans
>>220770592>if the US didn't do lend lease the entire continent would be speaking german.Without LL, the chances of Germany reaching a favorable outcome with Russia go from 0% to around 40%, roughly. It's still be hard for germistan to take the Caucasus oil fields and defend conquered territory up to that point, as Russoids were still producing massive numbers of tanks and artillery and had a massive population to keep frontlines supplied and keep attacking, while German lines were overstretched and their materiel and production capabilities weren't great.
>>220770891literally all of the russian food, fuel, metals, boots ect came from LL
>ctrl-F>"hitler">one resulton track
>>220770592Quintessentially 'merican
>>220771155this man raped and subjugated yurop
>>220771272>>220771155Who is that man?Looks like Asmongold
>>220763311so are all my infantry bros, and there are a lot more of us
>>220757283barry lyndon is set during the 7 years war in the 18th century, decades before the french revolution and one of its causeshowever kubrick originally wanted to make a movie about napoleon and used all his research on the period when making BL, so bizarrely your post is actually still applicable
>>220772401>however kubrick originally wanted to make a movie about napoleon and used all his research on the period when making BL, so bizarrely your post is actually still applicableHa! Also makes his post even more ironic and ridiculous. Really too bad we didn't get to see Kubrick's take on Napoleon.
>>220750149More like The American Civil War. Even at that point technology had advanced too far. The Franco-Prussian War was a fucking massacre. The Battle of Gravelotte had 30,000 casualties because the rifles and artillery were just too good.
>>220772689>The Battle of Gravelotte had 30,000 casualties becauseit had so many casualties because yuropoor generals were low IQ (it's why the US raped and gaped them in both world wars) and because yuropoorian lives don't matter (bongistan, france, naziland, commie land and austria hungary each lost more men in WWI than the US lost in every war combined, because yuropoorian lives don't matter but American lives do)
>>220750107Why didnt anyone try to get behind cover and shoot the enemy soldiers coming in a line?That would be so easy. Like, hide in a forest and beat them.
