who did it better
>>220760791
>>220760822is the show any good?
>>220760791Brian was too subtle. Anthony was too obvious. Something in between would be the best.But overall I'd say Anthony. His physical acting and presence was intense, even from the look in his eyes alone.
>>220760842If you enjoy slow burn psychological thrillers then yes.
>>220760842if you like fantasizing about men fucking each others shitholes, yeah. the only reason the show existed was to "push the boundaries of whats allowed on broadcast," the showrunners would find out those boundaries are complaint based, and there are dozens of groups in the US who do nothing but watch broadcast and complain to the FCC about anything "offensive" on it, which establishes stronger, more restrictive boundaries for whats allowed on broadcast. So by the end all they could show were the most sanitized implications of homolust, in a show that was originally about solving creative/gruesome murders.
>>220760842I think it’s pretty kino, there are however some really terrible episodes during the final season that are skippable. The show doesn’t make logical sense and the dialogue is very “theater esque” but it does have this eerie nightmarish quality to it. It also has a bit of a gay strain to it which I didn’t appreciate. Give it a go.
>>220760890That's because the studio didn't have the rights for Clarice.
>>220760843>Brian was too subtle. Anthony was too obvious.they're playing the same character at different points of his life. during manhunter, lecter has some hope of freedom. during silence of the lambs, lecter has abandoned all hope and is specifically manipulating a rube for kicks, that turn into an opportunity for freedom.
>>220760822Checked. Can't picture anybody else as Hannibal, especially not the fat manletHopkins.
>>220760822>>220760791All three are excellent.Hopkins is probably the most hammy, Cox the most subtle, but I would say all the performances fit the production they were in well.
>>220760842Watch season one. After that it gets too fantastical.
>>220760892>regurgitating opinions lifted straight from a video essay
>>220760933Hopkins has also played Manhunter era Lecter in Red Dragon.
>>220760998Literally my own take, never watched anyone discuss it. Kys tranny redditor, you’re not original or zesty.
>>220760791Cox by far. He's also closer to the books but who gives a shit.
>>220760822fpbp
>>220761048Nta but their hands were already somewhat tied, having already cast their Hannibal and wanting to reuse him. Perhaps the director should have asked Hopkins to deliver a markedly different performance.
>>220760892>a bit gayFor media at the time, it was a lot gay. In the modern age of busting a man’s crust intimately during a zombie show, you can get away with calling it only a bit
>>220760842The showrunner went straight up his own ass in the last season.
>>220760842This is how you bait
>>220760791Hopkins.Cox is good, Hopkins made the role iconic. He became a cartoon as the series progressed with unnecessary films and remakes but it was an extremely unique and influential performance and basically gave us the sophisticated killer trope.
>>220761109it was the only place left that he could go, as you can't complain to the FCC about a show going up its own ass.
Hopkins acting like he is Dracula is top cringeCox is better
>>220760842>Season 1Pretty good "murderer of the week" show, ala CSI but very stylized.>Season 2 Absolutely kino psychological thriller gold. The show they wanted to be making from the start.>Season 3 (part 1)Complete wank, writer got stuck up his own ass and spends hours creating pretty or disturbing imagery which plays at a snail's pace>Season 3 (part 2)Realised they might have been too self-indulgent and now have to wrap it up because they got cancelled. Not quite as good as Season 2 but still pretty good.
>>220760822perfection
All the confrontations between Cox and Petersen in Manhunter are goated.
>>220761141the quality drop from lambs to hannibal is ridiculous
It's the overtly calm but subtly menacing tones of the Beast of Birkenshaw for me. Far too much ham on Hopkins' dinner plate.
>>220763583There's a reason Jodie Foster wanted nothing to do with it.
>>220763555Hanny>lying relaxed with feet up, facing left to right>within cell (no bars), a claustrophobic tight shot of incarceration>feet position acts as subconscious reminder of being tightly walled in>basked in the forcibly white colour scheme of transparency>confident in knowledge>casually providing opaque clues (relevant to Will's psychology) to help solve the caseWill>lying relaxed with foot up, facing right to left>in shallow focus with low-key lighting>deep black skyline shown from towering height looking down>within hotel room, subconscious black "bars" on left contain narrow prison cell-like windows behind dominated by open space above to show not incarcerated (merely flirting with the concept)>drenched in shadows, looking to emulate the killers thought process and empathise with his acts to catch himRealisation>Will tacitly acknowledges Hanny's diagnosis that he felt good killing Garret Jacob Hobbs, responding directly to ask why killing feels good>Hanny casually aligns it with God, how he has power to kill hundreds and those regularly emulating him "become as God is">Will pauses with a moment of clarity, self-confirming Dolarhyde has a God-complex, ignoring Hanny prattling on about God killing people>During this moment of clarity in that dark deep background, an out-of-focus lift lights up on a jet black skyscraper, aligned to Will's head and slowly ascending in sharp bright contrast to the darkness around it and him.
>>220760890>if you like fantasizing about men fucking each others shitholes, yeah.the show didn't do that. tumblr did.
>>220764714>White side, black phone connection>Black side, white phone connection
>>220760842Hannibal is about geniuses that are written by retards. >Chesapeake area is absolutely riddled with megalomaniacal and elaborate serial killers with borderline superpowers; most of whom cross paths with Hannibal or are known to him. >Hannibal has Aizen-levels of preparation and foresight, which he uses exclusively to fuck with Will. >The FBI consists of 4-5 forensic pathologists and Lawrence Fishburne, all of whom do field work, crime scene investigation, and run down perps. >Lance Henrikson plays an elderly killer who can barely escape the confines of his own la-z-boy, yet somehow was able to assemble a massive totem pole of exhumed bodies in soft beach sand.>Hannibal can somehow move a highly decorated tree with surgically prepared corpses and embed it in the pavement of a grocery store parking lot, in a single night, all with no surveillance footage (the heavy equipment necessary to move all this stuff and break the pavement notwithstanding).>Hannibal can drive from Baltimore to Minnesota, with Will, in his Bentley, arrive in 2 hours, with the entire FBI actively looking for him and Will.The show requires an absurd suspension of disbelief, but these are all things that make it enjoyable.
>>220760791>hey, remember that guy from high school? The weird one... Hannibal>oh yeah, what happened to him?>he became a cannibal>no way>you don't want to know what happened to Chuck though.
>>220764758The show knew what it was doing.
>>220760842Season 1 and 2 are great. It's "how Will and Hannibal got to know each other and eventually Will catching Hannibal"Season 3 ends up with Hanibbal in prison, and it's chronically matching the "movie timelines",is basically tv show "manhunter/red dragon" so it's a hard hard hard skip.Imagine Red Dragon that's 2 hours long, stretched to 13 hours, a complete fillerfest with the thinnest plot per episode in human history
>>220766927I mean "starts up with Hannibal in prison" holy shitBut yeah season 3 is just a bad Red Dragon
Cox was certainly more physically threatening, he seemed like an unusually intelligent football hooligan.
>>220760842It's cheesy crap aimed at women.No, stick with the movies for god's sake.
>>220763555I felt like there weren't enough of them.
>>220760791Originally I felt Hopkins was a layered version of Lecter. Like he was intentionally trying to be intimidating to Clarice and Chilton. That he was a simple man, but he was playing the part of insane serial killer to them. The entire elaborate escape is a major misdirect to throw them all off. I think the sequel ruins this. I don't think Lecter would ever get caught and ever waste time killing with a risk. They pissed away the facade and tried to make it who he was. Like how he did keep trophy's he ate his. Trophy's are evidence, you don't keep that around. Cox I think plays it very well and was the best. Id have to liked to see him in Silence of the Lambs, but, oh well.
>>220769611Cox is good but very nonchalant. With Anthony Hopkins you can tell he's evil even by the look in his eyes, while also being 3 steps ahead of everyone, including in Hannibal where he made short work of the street thief.I think Anthony's Hannibal would be able to deal with Cox's Hannibal in a confrontation, and because of this, his portrayal of a killer is therefore superior.
>>220760843>Something in between would be the best.This. Mads was also good but the show overall veered too much into fantasy at times.
>>220769740>Hopkins you can tell he's evil even by the look in his eyes, while also being 3 steps ahead of everyone,That's my point, he's faking it. This works in Silence of the Lambs as a vacuum away from sequels/prequels. Every scene with another character he is putting on this face. Cause it's not who he is. I get he is quite literally a serial killer, but Im saying he doesn't walk around like that in day to day life when free. What works for me with Cox in Manhunter is he doesn't put up any facade to Graham. There's no point. Cox is still a bit of a an arrogant asshole, cause that is a core element of Lecter. Hopkins doesn't down play in Red Dragon for Graham though, it's the same performance from Lambs. Hannibal is worse is so many ways. It takes away from Lecter to me. To just have this guy be obviously crazy? He didn't get away with murders for so long by being so demented. What it does is it makes the doctor persona the facade and the evil eyes persona the "real" Lecter. Which is just plain stupid to me.
>>220760791It's like comparing Ledger and Nicholson's Jokers, except in this case the realistic portrayal came first.Both were worked well in the context of their movies.
>>220769876>but Im saying he doesn't walk around like that in day to day life when free.Well, in Hannibal, which is admittedly not as good, and even in Red Dragon, he isn't pulling a Dracula shtick in his everyday life. He only seems to do it in two cases a) when in captivity, since there is no reason to pretend to be "proper" in that situation and b) when conversing with people who know who he really is.
>>220760974>All three are excellent.>Hopkins is probably the most hammy, Cox the most subtle, but I would say all the performances fit the production they were in well.Best post in thread. Agreed.
>>220760933>during manhunter, lecter has some hope of freedom.Not really. He was accused of nine murders. He'd surely understand his chances were about 0.
I don't care what anyone says, Hopkins was better in Hannibal
>>220770013I agree. Manhunter is undeniably kino but Hopkins has a very strong presence that turns Hannibal from what is technically a secondary character (like he is in Mahunter) to a primary antagonist in his movies.
>>220769926Yea, I dislike that. I think his default is being proper and refined and hyper intelligent. He loves art, literature and holds himself to a high standard of that. He also doesn't want anyone to think he's some push over. That the dracula thing is a show. They say in Lambs that Lecter convinced Miggs to kill himself. He prefers people to be respectful and truly despises those who are not. He doesn't want to be powerless in prison, so he performs what ever acts of power he can. Like when he mocks the governor. He does all that as a demonstration that even locked up he holds something over people. Clarice puts the character on its nose after he escape. Saying coming after her would be rude. Lecter likes feeling useful and was flattered to look over the case, but he doesn't want his heart on his sleeve like this. So he acts like the psycho killer people think he is, but he is actually more predictable than he lets on. Which disarms people, which is what he's good at.
>>220760791I always liked Cox's performance. Cox is good, I need more Cox in my kino.
>>220760822Mads is a bad actor
>>220770013>>220770082It really makes me wish we could have received a Mann interpretation of Silence of the Lambs with Brian again. I almost wish Mann would do it now just for the hell of it.
>>220770397It would be considred a cult classic but it wouldn't be an Oscar winner
>>220760822Fpbp.
>>220760791It's really hard to say. Cox played a real killer and Hopkis was more Hollywood, but there's also more effort and complexity that Hopkins put in the role. When he's mocking Clarice with the suble southern twine, his overall body language and presence, etc. He steals the show.Cox, like a real killer, blends in and aside from the crazy twinkle in his eye he's a pretty average Joe and even likeable. Which for some people is scarier. I liked both for different reasons but Hopkins is too iconic.
>>220760822I love Mads but he gets moggedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00B159bBJSoZoomer Hannibal didn't stand a chance
>>220770397>a Mann interpretation of Silence of the Lambs with Brian againAs a Mann enthusiast, this would be awesome to have seen in the 90s. I guess it'd certainly not deviate stylistically and tone-wise from Manhunter a lot, which is fine. Never thought about a Mann take on Silence.
>>220770341he's kino in blinking lights/adams apples/green butchers/men and chicken/etc
>>220760791Cox is more realistic to me. I don’t see anyone trusting Hopkins’ Hannibal, he’s very obvious. They’re both great though.
>>220760791Brian Cox. That is, if you're an adult who doesn't need to have the villain hiss and bug his eyes to show you he's cuh-razy!!
>>220764714The blocking in this film is insane. Such an underrated aspect of the art of filmmaking that's sorely missing from modern cinema. Not everything needs to be shot reverse shot with two people standing or sitting. This film is a masterpiece from start to finish.
>>220764714>This was the last time they spoke as friends.
>>220766160>but you won't believe what happened to Hedophile!>he married a dude and they've just adopted a baby boy together
Cox is more grounded and believable how charismatic sociopaths manipulate others.
I wish Cox had at least one more scene in Manhunter, bros.
>>220760822I like Mads but I can’t ever picture his Lecter working for SotL plot if they ever did. One is I just can’t see him putting on a fake West Virginia accent to mock Clarice, and two he’s too gay.
>>220766943It’s annoys me all 3 adaptions of Red Dragon have such glaring flaws each. The perfect adaption is just unobtainable at this point.
>>220760791cocks
>>220760791They're both perfect for the movies they're in. I love the style in Manhunter and it's a very good movie, but I think Silence of the Lambs is still a superior film. I do think that there's something to be said about how Anthony Hopkins really elevates an already great movie, whereas Brian Cox sort of just fits in naturally. I don't really think he adds as much to his film as Hopkins did to his.So all in all gotta go with Tony Hops, but they're both great.
>>220760822this is the way
>>220760822I like Mads but I could never understand a word he fucking said in the entire show.
>>220763583>>220761141It picks up again in Red Dragon. Manhunter >= Silence of the Lambs >> Red Dragon >>> Hannibal > Hannibal Rising
>>220760822>Hopkins wins Best Actor Oscar for his Lecter>somehow Mads is betterFUCKEN LAWLMads is good but his Lecter is not nearly as good as Hopkin's.
>>220772411Cox seems more like he's trying to keep the veneer of being civilized while Hopkins is at that point where he just doesn't give a damn anymore. Though Cox does have a lot more of that disgruntled professor air than Hopkins did.>>220770944Mann Lambs with Mann's mid 90s/Heat era style cues would have been neat. It wouldn't have the audio presence like the synths in Manhunter but it would still have the dreary silhouettes with popping color. Given his visual artistic expression in Manhunter I do wonder if he'd try for more types of color contrasting just to keep it parity with what he attempted before.
>>220763610He looked terrible in other angles
>>220769879Ledger's Joker is the best thing to ever come out of capeshit.
