Stop, my invincible son.
>My invincible punk rock chungus sonGunn won
>CEASE MY INDESTRUCTIBLE OFFSPRING
>>220762521KAL-EL NOOOOOOO!!
>Desist, my unyielding descendant
>>220762521PLEASE DON'T SAVE MEI'LL SUCK YOUR INVINCIBLE DICK AND EAT YOUR SUPER SHIT
>>220762521>Jonathan Kent dies of a heart attack so even Clark with all his power can't save him>...>LOL IMMA GUN DI IN A TORNADO WATCH ME BROZack Snyder is so fucking retarded.
how many years ago was this shit
>>220762521HALT my invulnerable prodigy
>>220763005nah bro, trust me, snyder is just a misunderstood genius. give him a few more franchises to get his footing.
>>220762521>stop, my invincible son>I no longer wish to exist in the cursed reality wrought by that idiot buffoon Zack Snyder>please, my nigh omnipotent son, respect my wishes and let me meet death on my own terms
Henry Cavill is a bladdy basterd benchod Britisher
>>220762521>Had a wife back home>A son who needs a father figure>Let himself die for no reason????????????
>>220763611He was fed up with this wirrild
>>220763611he needed to aura farm
>>220763653I hate this made me laugh
>>220763611martha wasn't putting out.
>>220763611Taxes were too high
STOP! Jack Ruby no! Don´t shoot Oswald!
>>220762521>maybe you should have let all those kids fucking DIE clark>your secret is more important, fuck everyone else>you should let me die too
>>220763611he realised the time of the white man was over
Wouldn’t that have been the perfect time to reveal who he is too? If not why didn’t he just put something over his face real quick? Not is he invincible he’s super fast and can fly. This scene makes no sense
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>>220762521so what's stopping kal el from running in superspeed then saves his dad? nobody can see if he runs really fast
He’s not Batman kek
>>220763756>you have to decide what sort of man you want to be you can’t let anyone know your powers>instead of standing up to bullies half your size you could easily defeat without arousing suspicion you should make an effigy of their semi trucks impaled onto trees and flee into the night what the FUCK did he mean by this?
>>220763823his dad is stopping him
>>220762521>¡Alto, mi hijo invencible!
>>220762521He didn't say that.Besides, even Mark Waid—one of the greatest comic book writers of all time—wrote that Pa Kent's death made perfect sense. The only thing he didn't like about the movie was the level of destruction caused by Superman and Zod during their fight.
>>220763889He hated Superman killing Zod too
>>220763889Imagine being Superman, literally the strongest man on earth and you let your dad die in a tornado that you are capable of saving him from. That would definitely mess up your psyche.
>>220763611If I was Clark I would have hated that faggot to be honest
>>220763932>and you let your dad die in a tornado that you are capable of saving him fromThe world wasn't ready for Superman to reveal himself yet, you fucking retard. Pa Kent knew that. Ma Kent knew it, too, and she never blamed her son for not saving Pa. Clark knew that, too, even though he still felt guilty about it.
>>220763889being a bit generous with his take he basically hated everything past when Superman puts on the suit and describes the movie as joyless and empty and this is with him clearly trying to soften the review. but yeah he liked Pa Kent’s death
>>220763005>>220763241>written By Goyer/Nolan>Muh Snyder
>>220763862because he would be seen by normal peoplesuperspeed solves that
>>220764061everyone on the planet thinks it's written by snyder because he's famous for being the director of snyderverse
>>220763889Well, as long as Mark Waid, the god who decides what is good and what is bad, then the pointless dumb death makes perfect sense! How could I have missed that!
>>220763889>>220763917>>220764035Superman Kills Zod in Superman 2 and NO, Richard Donner's cop out isn't canon!>>220764097It was written by Goyer/NOLANBrilliant scene, Only hated by idiots
>>220764120Mark Waid didn’t even like the movie either and said it completely lost the essence of Superman lmao
>>220764120It was a brilliant scene,.Jonathan Kent Man Of Steel is best Jonathan
>>220764068He didn't have Bullet time. He could be scene both leaving and returning
>>220764156Mark Said is an Asshole who doesn't know.Who Superman is
>>220763989Shut the fuck up Zack. If my dad was dying and i have the power to save i'd fucking save him
>>220764217*Waid
>>220764225Its called foreshadowing, limp nut, Jonathan Kent voiced his fears after Clark saved a bus filled with kids, now when it is his turn he should renege on said concern he had earlier fan reiterated to Clark? Hypocrite Much?
>>220762521It was nice of the 200 mph winds to let him slowly and peacefully disappear into the fog while the 2 ton cars are getting tossed around him.
>>220763611>for no reasonIt's a terribly written scene but please tell me you retards didn't miss the actual reason he tells Clark to stay away. /tv/ isn't THAT stupid... right?
Stop, my invincible Sar.
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>>220764068superspeed couldn't solve his dad stopping him
>>220762521and what's crazy is Clark has super hearing so he could hear his dad be ripped to shreds in horrific agony.
>>220764321Let's forget that earlier he had warned Clark not.to.let others know.of his powers until he was ready for the fall out when Clark had saved a bus full of kids. Personally I blame Goyer/Nolan for thinking you lot had sound reasoning.
>>220764217Mark Waid wrote Kingdom Come, Birthright, and Batman/Superman: World's Finest ( which he is still writing), he was also one of the main brainstormers behind the Superman 2000 pitch proposal, along with Grant Morrison, Mark Millar, and Tom Peyer, so he definitely knows more about Superman than pretty much anyone else alive, he's a huge fan of Golden Age and Silver Age comics and has read thousands of them, and he's the man who found the original story about kryptonite, "The Secret of the K-Metal," in the DC archives. You should never doubt his knowledge of Supes.
>>220764297>Its called foreshadowing, limp nut, Jonathan Kent voiced his fears after Clark saved a bus filled with kids, now when it is his turn he should renege on said concern he had earlier fan reiterated to Clark? Hypocrite Much? you think i should have just let them die?>...maybe?Pa Kent in Snyderverse is a fucking psychopath. Fuck you for defending this shitty writing rajesh.
>>220764351could Superman smell Luthor’s piss in the courtroom?
>>220763989>The world wasn't ready for Superman to reveal himself yetyeah bro 20 people in bumbfuck no where claiming they say a man disappear during a tornado would ruin Superman's secret forever.
>>220764383No!!! He's literally the most realistic Jonathan of them all; kids crash out all the time, now imagine Clark crashing out because the government comes for him, or imagine him becoming cocky and arrogant because of his fan club or fan worship, all these weighs heavily on JONATHAN KENT'S MIND because you sad not seeing the point person, all this is about JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS!!!!Clark is stronger than Godzilla, what the fuk can one do when a Kaiju level being crashes out? Welcome to Jonathan Kent's fears.
>>220764383>Pa Kent in Snyderverse is a fucking psychopath. Fuck you for defending this shitty writing rajesh.He just cares about his (adopted) son, retardo. That's why he says all that stuff. He knows that Clark did the right thing by saving the bus, but he's also afraid that his son's secret could have been revealed. That's why he says "maybe," he doesn't definitely say "yes, you should've let them all drown," he's not a fucking psychopath. He means that Clark must be careful and only use his powers in an extreme emergency.
>>220764457Its about JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS!!!! Are all of you RETARDED? I knew you were all retarded when you praised the hyper illogical Matrix movie and not the sequels!!!
>>220762521>Stop, my dick sucking shit eating invincible son
>>220764559>Stop, my dick sucking shit eating invincible son! I'll eat your shit, suck your dick!
>>220762521As stupid as that is, why the fuck was Jonathan the one to go rescue the dog instead of Clark in the first place? There's no risk to Clark, Clark can do it faster and easier without even having to use his super powers. Did Jonathan just forget that his son is invincible when he insisted that no, it's better if the old man who can't run for shit goes and risks dying in a hurricane, over a fucking dog they cared so little about that they forgot it until right before the hurricane was about to hit the cars, instead of the super powered son who even if he has to pretend 'disappear' in the hurricane like he got swept up, there is nobody around to know who he or the Kents are. The only risk to Clark is maybe he might have to 'disappear' and get a new legal name to live under. It's not like the Kent's haven't been through that before, they had to do it the first time to register him as their legal son. And that's only if they misjudged the speed of the hurricane and it swallowed up the cars way faster than any human could get there and back, and if his 'death' becomes a news story. Instead Jonathan decides it's the better decision if he risks his life to leave Clark, who he is so worried about what will happen if the world discovers who he is, and his wife all alone in the world. If Clark's future is such a concern to Jonathan, why is he stupid enough to get himself killed over a dog they didn't care enough about to take with them when the hurricane warning first came in?
>>220764417honestly he probably was. I don't know if he knew it was Lex's.
>>220764613>Why does a Father take the leadLastly, it's JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS
>>220764521But if he is that worried about Clark and his powers being discovered, about Clark's future, why did he go get himself killed over a dog? Are you next gonna claim something like if Jonathan didn't go kill himself, then he would be worried what kind of message that would send to Clark?
Jonathan Kent, notorious prankster, thought of the funniest way to traumatize his wife and son that he could concoct.
>>220764656A father takes the lead because the son is more valuable. But in this situation, there is no risk to the son. In fact, the only thing that can really hurt Clark, and Superman, is his loved ones dying and Kryptonite. So why does Jonathan insist on hurting Clark, was dying just so Clark could be hurt really worth it for him?
>>220764684>man's best friend>not Like that
>>220764718>Let's ignore him admonishing Clark for using his powers to save kids only to hypocritically beg Clark for help later
>>220764724A dog they cared so little about they only remembered it a minute before the hurricane hit them? Clearly, the dog was not a priority.
>>220763005>Jonathan Kent dies of a heart attack so even Clark with all his power can't save himThat was never the point in the first movie.
>>220764752When did begging come into the picture? Jonathan stops Clark from going, insists he should go instead of Clark, there would be no asking or begging or anything else if Jonathan simply let Clark go save the dog.
>>220764786Audiences like you would say it, 'He told Clark not to save those kids but once his ass was in the fire he sure did change his tune, begging like a little bitch!"
>>220764379Mark Waid is an absolute fool, and the Superman 2000 pitch was downright terrible. It was one of the dumbest ideas those fanboys-turned-writers ever came up with, essentially a version of Spider-Man's One More Day decades ealier.
>>220764831And both takes would have been correct because insinuating that those kids shouldn't have been saved is psychotic.
>>220764383You know, there’s this thing called acting, and sometimes what a character says isn’t exactly what they mean.
>>220764831No, I would be glad that ultimately, Jonathan didn't insist on trying to teach Clark that human lives are meaningless and without value, that he should just let every single one of us die if saving us poses any form of inconvenience to him. Because that's the example Jonathan sets here, and tries to with the school-buss talk. Don't save others, don't value human life, don't take responsibility for situations you could improve or stop, just stand there and watch the petty awful horrible humans die our miserable deaths like the vermin that we are. Ultimately, we don't matter if your life might be made harder by saving us. Or how about we just don't have those scenes, how about we have Jonathan be an inspirational figure instead of a misanthropic monster.
>>220764718>A father takes the lead because the son is more valuable. But in this situation, there is no risk to the son. In fact, the only thing that can really hurt Clark, and SupermanThe point is that Jonathan Kent doesn’t know the future or have prior knowledge from reading all of Superman’s comics. All he knows is that Clark is his son, and he wants to protect him from anything that could put him in danger or threaten his future. It’s not a logical action, nor is it meant to be. The movie doesn’t claim Jonathan was ultimately right, only that he was a father doing his best to protect his child.
>>220764328LMAO
>>220764945>Jonathan didn't insist on trying to teach Clark that human lives are meaningless and without value, that he should just let every single one of us die if saving us poses any form of inconvenience to him.This never happened in the movie, and is entirely your stupid headcanon.
>>220762521Have sex, my incelible son
>>220764960> he wants to protect him from anything that could put him in danger or threaten his future.But then it makes no sense for him to go kill himself over a dog. Clark is not better off watching his father die right in front of him, especially knowing full well that he could have saved him in any number of ways. He was not doing his best to protect his child, he went and killed himself.
>>220764991Once again, Jonathan didn’t think logically in that stressful moment. He acted on impulse, focused solely on protecting his wife, son, and the family dog.
>>220764970How isn't that what he is teaching Clark with the school-buss and here. Thankfully, Clark is a way better being than Jonathan, who has such disregard for human life, that he rejects the teaching ultimately after spending years depressed and wandering alone and isolated. But he still has to live with that guilt, which explains why he is so somber and serious, instead of the optimist the character is supposed to be. What is a hero if not someone who risks their own well being for the benefit of others? But Jonathan is trying to teach Clark to prioritize his own situation and needs over everyone he could save.
>>220765023>He acted on impulse, focused solely on protecting his wife, son, and the family dog.No he didn't. Clark was about to go save the dog, which poses absolutely no risk to Clark to do so, and Jonathan insisted it's better that he goes and risks his life. Jonathan was either a moron, or was trying to teach Clark that human lives are worth less than Clark's convenience, or a dog's life.
I've laughed at this meme for years, but its sad to read this thread and see that people still dont understand this scene.
>>220764991He's Afraid of either Bright Burn or Homelander. You're dealing with a Middle American simple farmer who is Guardian to a god. And he's afraid. And rightly so. You lot behave as if this Jonathan like all the other unrealistic Jonathans, read the Superman wiki>>220765063He doesn't disregard human life, he's afraid of Bright Burn or a Homelander; a son who reacts poorly because of humans or governments attacking him or his family or a group of people who praises him as a god Potentially causing a god complex.
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>>220765098Its neither of those, you're just being silly.
>>220765137If he is so afraid of what Clark could become, perhaps he shouldn't be teaching him that human lives don't matter.
>>220763611He was ashamed of his son having tiny hands
>>220765155Where's the disagreement. Do you believe there was any risk to Clark if he had gone instead of Jonathan?
>>220765063>>220765098You’re completely misreading Jonathan’s motives. He doesn't have a "disregard for human life," he has a terrifying awareness of what humanity will do to his alien son if his secret gets out before he's ready.The school bus scene and the controversial "maybe" wasn't him advocating for apathy. It was a desperate father caught between his own morality and the primal instinct to protect his kid. Look at the acting in that scene, Jonathan doesn't even believe the "maybe" himself, but he knows that revealing Clark means handing a child over to the government to be dissected, feared, or worshipped. Clark was not ready for that consequence.You asked what a hero is if not someone who risks their well-being for others? That is exactly what Jonathan did. His whole philosophy was about preserving Clark's agency. He wanted Clark to decide what kind of man he wanted to be when he was ready, not when it was forced upon him by a panicked society. That's why he stops Clark from saving him in the tornado. He gives up his own life to protect his son's secret, buying Clark the time he needed to grow up and make the choice to become Superman on his own terms.
>>220765159Show me the EXACT scene where he says that
>>220765191>what leftist memes do to a nigga
>>220765137>the White American traditional farmer from Anytown USA is a cowardThank you for the patriotism, Sneeder
>>220765098>Clark was about to go save the dog, which poses absolutely no risk to Clark to do so, and Jonathan insisted it's better that he goes and risks his life.You’re looking at the scene with 80 years of Superman lore in your head, but you have to look at it from Jonathan Kent's perspective. Jonathan didn't have a comic book telling him his kid is invincible; he just had a son.At that point in the timeline, Clark isn't "Superman" yet. He doesn't fully know his own limits, and Jonathan certainly doesn't either. Yes, Clark is incredibly strong, but does a father know for a 100% undisputed fact that his kid can survive being sucked into an F5 tornado? No parent is going to gamble their child's life on a "maybe" just to save themselves.On top of that, it’s not just a math problem of "speed + durability." They were surrounded by people under that overpass. If Clark suddenly uses super-speed to cover that distance, or shrugs off a flying truck, his secret is instantly out to half the town. Jonathan holding his hand up wasn't him being stupid; it was a father making the ultimate sacrifice so his son wouldn't have to risk his physical safety or his freedom in front of a crowd.
>>220765191>You asked what a hero is if not someone who risks their well-being for others? That is exactly what Jonathan did.But it's not. He went got himself killed over a dog, for absolutely no good reason. That makes no sense to risk himself like that if he truly does believe he needs to protect and prepare Clark for what happens if his secret gets out. His secret isn't in danger if Clark is the one to go save the dog (if the dog absolutely has to be saved). Clark can get to the dog, get it out of the truck, and back to where they are sheltering way faster and easier than Jonathan can even without using his powers. And if Clark can't make it, then Jonathan definitely can't. But if Clark gets swallowed up in the hurricane, nobody else taking shelter under the bridge knows who he is. At worst, Martha and Jonathan would have to have a fake funeral for Clark, and Clark would need to get a fake identity to live under. Clark's secret is never in danger, as long as Jonathan isn't being a complete idiot. So Jonathan dies trying to teach Clark that human lives are worth less than Clark's secret. Or a dogs. Thankfully, Clark rejects that teaching.
>>220765275>but you have to look at it from Jonathan Kent's perspective.Sorry but I'm not retarded like you.
>>220765202He doesn't say it, but his example does, him arguing that Clark maybe shouldn't be saving others, does.
>>220762521well, the opposite doesn't make a whole lot of sense either:>with haste, my incredibly fragile boy!what the fuck do you want them to do?
>>220765233>cowardMan dies to uphold his values and concerns
>>220765275From Jonathan Kent's perspective, he is well aware that Clark has super speed and strength as well as more powers. We don't know if he had ever flown in this MoS universe before, but Jonathan is completely aware that the hurricane doesn't pose a threat to his son. But if the risk to Clark is too great to go save the dog, then it's also too great for Jonathan to go kill himself for the dog. The dog they didn't care enough about to even remember it was there until a minute before the hurricane was about to hit. It's literally an afterthought, that's apparently worth dying for.
>>220765300Did you actually just suggest that a logical, loving father should let his teenage son get sucked into an F5 tornado, fake his own death, have his mother hold a fake funeral, and force him to live the rest of his life as an isolated drifter under a fake identity... just to save the family dog?Read that back to yourself. What kind of parent would ever want that for their child? Jonathan's entire goal was for Clark to have a chance at a normal life and the agency to choose his own path. Forcing a kid to completely abandon his entire existence and go off the grid is the exact nightmare Jonathan was trying to prevent.Also, your claim that Clark could do it "faster and easier without using his powers" ignores the reality of the scene. The storm was literally dropping cars. If Clark goes out there and a flying pickup truck shatters against his chest, his secret is blown to the dozens of people taking shelter right next to them.Jonathan didn't go get the dog to teach a lesson; he went because he's a dad, and a dad takes the physical risk so his kid doesn't have to. When his foot got stuck and the tornado was seconds away, he knew any rescue from Clark would require an obvious, undeniable display of super-speed or invulnerability. He put his hand up because he chose to die rather than force his son to expose himself to a panicked mob or, as you suggested, fake his death and lose his family forever.
>>220765321He's afraid of Bright Burn or Homelander, so he's telling Clark to be ready regardless of what he decides to do with his power, good guy or bad.
>>220762521Do white people really?
>>220762521>I am... TORNADO MAN!*dies*Pa Kent was dumb as fuck
>>220765321His "example" was literally sacrificing his own life to protect his son. You keep ignoring the context of the "maybe." He wasn't saying "let kids drown because you're better than them," he was saying "I am terrified of what the government will do to you if they find out you're an alien, and I don't have all the answers." He is a farmer from Kansas dealing with a god-like extraterrestrial. The lesson wasn't "never save people," the lesson was "you have to wait until you are ready for the absolute reality-shattering consequences of revealing yourself to the world.">>220765364>Jonathan is completely aware that the hurricane doesn't pose a threat to his son.No, he isn't. Pushing a bus out of a river is not the same as taking a flying semi-truck to the face at 300mph in an F5 tornado. Clark literally doesn't even learn to fly until he's an adult in the arctic. Jonathan doesn't have a DC Comics stat sheet for Clark.But even if we assume Jonathan knows Clark is 100% physically invincible, you are still ignoring the actual threat. The threat isn't the weather, it's the DOZENS of people sheltering under the overpass right next to them. If Clark casually jogs through an F5 tornado and takes a flying car to the chest with zero scratches, his secret is completely blown.>if the risk to Clark is too great, it's too great for Jonathan to go kill himself for the dogJonathan didn't walk out there with the intention of committing suicide for a dog. Real people make irrational decisions to save pets in disasters all the time. He thought he had enough time to grab it and run back, but his foot got pinned under the wreckage. It was a freak accident. Once he was trapped, the choice completely changed: it went from "save the dog" to "if my son runs out here to save me right now, his life as a normal human is over forever." He put his hand up because he chose to die rather than force his son to expose himself to a panicked crowd.
>>220765370>live the rest of his life as an isolated drifter under a fake identityYou are aware that Clark Kent is already a fake identity right? If they did it once, they can do it again. But no, I'm not saying either of them should go risk their lives for the dog. I'm saying that if one of them HAS to go, it makes no sense for it to be the slower, not invincible, father who goes and gets himself killed, instead of the super strong super fast invincible son where there is no risk to their life. We see in the scene that slow ass Jonathan makes it to the car, gets himself stuck and spends 15 seconds freeing himself, frees the dog and then still has time to run all the way back to be in view of Clark just to die in that dumb pose he does. Clark could do that much faster and make it back. A good dad does not go and leave his son and wife behind over a goddamn dog. It was idiotic decision after decision.
>>220765386And again, if that's his fear, then he shouldn't be teaching his son that his secret is more important than human lives.
>>220765498Where does he says even that? Besides, his fears was about what could happen to all mankind. Not just the few there.
You guys are completely ignoring the actual ending of the film, which flat-out disproves this whole "Jonathan was a cynical coward" narrative.The movie explicitly highlights that Jonathan knew Clark would eventually reveal himself to the world. His entire goal was just to make sure Clark was mature enough to handle the paradigm-shifting fallout of that choice, rather than having it forced on him as a panicked teenager.Look at the closing flashback. Jonathan is watching small Clark playing hero with the family dog, wearing a makeshift cape. Jonathan doesn't look terrified or angry, he’s smiling. He knows his son is inherently good. He knows exactly who his son is going to become. He just also knows the difference between a child playing hero in a yard and an alien revealing himself to a cynical, terrified planet. Jonathan's sacrifice wasn't about teaching Clark not to save people; it was about buying that innocent kid the time he needed to grow into a man who could make the choice to become Superman on his own terms.
>>220765466No, his "example" was getting himself killed over a dog that his son could have saved easier and quicker with no risk to anyone. >The threat isn't the weather, it's the DOZENS of people sheltering under the overpass right next to them. If Clark casually jogs through an F5 tornado and takes a flying car to the chest with zero scratches, his secret is completely blown.As I've said repeatedly. If Jonathan, being as slow as he is, can get to the car, free the dog, get himself stuck and spend 15seconds freeing himself, then run back out of the grouping of cars just to stand there telling his son no, then Clark just going slightly faster than humans until he is out of sight, then using his super strength and speed to free the dog, he has plenty of spare time to then run back under the overpass. If either of them HAS to go save the dog, it should be Clark every single time. Or the better decision if Clark's future is that important, if Jonathan has the fears the other idiot argues he does, then neither of them goes to save the dog last minute. If Jonathan thought he had the time to save the dog no problem, THEN SO DOES CLARK, and Clark can do it faster and with much less or no risk at all to himself. And remember. Fucking remember. Clark was about to go save the dog when Jonathan stopped him.
it's been 13 years and people still defend this shit
>>220765647Do you really want us to start posting Superman 2025 webms, Ranjeet?
>>220765476>You are aware that Clark Kent is already a fake identity right?Being legally adopted and having a Social Security number, a childhood home, and a registered, documented existence as "Clark Kent" is not a "fake identity." You are literally arguing that a father should force his son to throw away his entire legal existence, never see his mother again, and live the rest of his life as an off-the-grid fugitive just to avoid a tough situation. That is insane.>it makes no sense for it to be the slower, not invincible, father who goesIt makes perfect sense if you understand how normal human parents are wired. Jonathan is the dad. A father does not look at an F5 tornado dropping cars from the sky and say, "Hey teenage son, go run into that natural disaster." Emotionally, Jonathan sees a kid, not an invincible god.>spends 15 seconds freeing himself, frees the dog and then still has time to run all the way backDid you even watch the movie? He doesn't run back. He gets his foot pinned when the wreckage shifts. By the time he frees the dog and yanks his foot loose, he is injured and limping. The tornado alters its path and is literally on top of him. He is trapped.>A good dad does not go and leave his son and wife behind over a goddamn dog.He didn't "die for the dog." He went to get the dog because he thought he had enough time to make it. The sacrifice happened AFTER he got trapped. Once he was injured and realized he couldn't outrun the storm, the situation changed. He had a choice: let Clark use super-speed to save him in front of 50 people hiding under a bridge, or die. He held his hand up because he chose to die rather than force his unprepared teenage son to be outed to a terrified, cynical world.
>>220765647Great film, best Superman. Go be a biatch somewhere else
>>220765679Better than Snyder slop
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>>220765605>Clark was about to go save the dog when Jonathan stopped him.Yes, exactly. Clark was about to go because he was a teenager reacting on pure emotion to his immediate surroundings. Jonathan stopped him because he was the adult looking at the bigger picture.This is the exact divide between the "micro reality" of Smallville and the "macro reality" of the wider world. Jonathan understands that his son has a macro-level destiny. Clark has the potential to be a force of good for the entire human race. Jonathan refuses to let Clark jeopardize that global destiny by exposing himself, or getting himself killed, for a micro-level incident. Jonathan stopping Clark wasn't about the dog; it was about protecting Clark's future role in the world until he was mature enough to handle the fallout.>Clark just going slightly faster than humans until he is out of sightThis is absolute video game logic. You are acting like Clark has a stealth meter. They are huddled under a tiny overpass with dozens of terrified people looking in every direction. There is no "out of sight" in an open field surrounded by a panicked mob. If he uses his powers, he is seen. Period.>with much less or no risk at all to himself.Again, you are applying comic book omniscience. Writer David S. Goyer has talked extensively about how they wrote Jonathan as a grounded, terrified father. Jonathan doesn't have a DC Comics stat sheet. He doesn't know for a 100% biological fact that a tornado won't rip his teenage son apart.But even more than physical danger, the real risk is to his freedom. Jonathan worried himself sick over what the government and society would do to his kid if he was outed prematurely. He chose to take the physical risk to save the dog himself precisely to prevent his son from taking the macro-level risk of exposure. And when he got trapped, he chose to die rather than force that exposure before Clark was ready.
>>220765734>I love Faggot Good Boy Superman, he cares so much about brown people! His daddy cried! Take that, toxic masculinity!
>>220765787Cavill had the perfect look a damn shame how he got fucked over
>>220765734NOOOO but it earned more money!!!
>>220765679I don't like that movie either, faggot
>>220765734>>220765849
>>220765689>Being legally adoptedFrom who, from where? Clark Kent is a fake identity, always has been. >You are literally arguing that a father should force his son to throw away his entire legal existence, never see his mother again, and live the rest of his life as an off-the-grid fugitive just to avoid a tough situation.No, I'm pointing out that he wouldn't have to since he is already living under a fake identity. There are plenty people now in America that live under fake names and fake identities, and they don't live as off-the-grid-fugitives. >It makes perfect sense if you understand how normal human parents are wired. Jonathan is the dad. A father does not look at an F5 tornado dropping cars from the sky and say, "Hey teenage son, go run into that natural disaster." Emotionally, Jonathan sees a kid, not an invincible god.In which case, it makes sense for Jonathan to stop Clark from running in to save the dog. But it does not make sense if he thinks the hurricane is a threat to Clark to then himself going into said hurricane for the dog. If one of them HAS to go, it's not the slower more vulnerable one that goes. But my argument is that neither should go. >Did you even watch the movie? He doesn't run back.Did you? The car the dog was trapped in, the car Jonathan gets his foot stuck in for a little bit is in the middle of all the other cars. We see him get out of the car limping back towards the others, and he makes it out into clear sight where he is fully visible. But Clark, being super strong and having super speed, the moment he is out of view of the ones huddled under the bridge, he rescues the dog much quicker, doesn't get stuck and loses time, and so can sprint at just slightly faster than normal human speed and make it back. >He didn't "die for the dog." He went to get the dog because he thought he had enough time to make it.But he didn't have enough time, so he did die for the dog.
>>220765838He's Superman. That scene when he cried after killing Zod, I felt that. Now Compare that to Christopher Reeve's disgust as he squashed Zods hand before killing him.
Did Superman comics ever come up with a non retarded reason why they all didn't just leave the planet or is this just a comic for 8 year olds?
The fact that people still misunderstand Jonathan Kent in MoS is peak media illiteracy. If you actually look at what Goyer, Snyder, and Costner were doing, it’s one of the best depictions of a parent in a superhero film.Goyer didn't write a silver-age comic; he wrote a grounded, first-contact sci-fi story. He asked a realistic question: what would a normal guy do if he found a god in his cornfield? The answer is he’d be utterly terrified of what humanity would do to him. Goyer wrote Jonathan not as a saint dropping fortune-cookie wisdom, but as a real dad whose absolute #1 priority was protecting his son's agency and freedom from a cynical, dangerous world.Costner’s portrayal is masterful because he nails the agonizing conflict of a parent. People constantly cry about the "Maybe" scene. Actually look at Costner's face when he delivers that line. He doesn't even believe it himself. He literally chokes on the word because his own morality is violently clashing with the primal, desperate instinct to keep his alien son off a government dissection table.He didn’t die "for a dog." He took a calculated risk to save a pet, but once his foot was pinned, the choice changed. This is the Micro vs. Macro reality. Jonathan knew Clark had a macro-level destiny to change the entire world. He refused to let his teenage son blow that destiny, and his life, over a micro-level disaster in front of dozens of witnesses. Putting his hand up was the ultimate sacrifice. He chose to die so Clark wouldn't be outed before he was ready.Look at the ending flashback. Jonathan watching kid Clark play hero with a cape, smiling. He knew his son was inherently good. He knew exactly who he would become. Jonathan’s sacrifice was never about stopping Clark from being Superman; it was about buying that kid the time he needed to grow up and make the choice to reveal himself on his own terms.
>>220765890LMAO
>>220765818>Jonathan stopped him because he was the adult looking at the bigger picture.If Jonathan was looking at the bigger picture, he doesn't go. In no way does it make sense to get himself killed like he does. Especially if he is considering the possible futures his super powered alien son might have. It's so far beyond reckless. >There is no "out of sight" in an open field surrounded by a panicked mobIt's a goddamn highway full of cars. You know, it's only Clark that has X-ray vision, the moment he gets behind the first car, they can't see him. And even if they do see him going faster than he should be able to in between the cars, they are all strangers and filled with adrenaline. >Jonathan doesn't have a DC Comics stat sheet. He doesn't know for a 100% biological fact that a tornado won't rip his teenage son apart.Which is why for the 10th fucking time, neither of them should go. But if one of them ABSOLUTELY HAS TO go, it's the faster stronger more durable one that goes to save the dog. Look. Can we get real for a second and you just answer the question. Did Jonathan make the right decision in going to save the dog himself? My contention is, that was a moronic dumb thing to do. And so much of the film relies on that dumb decision.
>>220765989Speaking of Sci-fi, the bit when Zod contacts earth felt eerily 50's first contact sci-fi horror
Smallville Clark would've saved him easily.
>>220765903You're completely missing the emotional reality of the situation. It's not just about the paperwork or the legal name. "Clark Kent" is the life he built with Martha. If Clark fakes his death in that storm, he can never see his mother again. He can never go back to his childhood home. You are arguing that a loving father should willingly condemn his teenage son to a life of complete isolation, completely severing his ties to his only family, just to avoid a hard choice. That is an apocalyptic outcome for a parent to wish on their kid.>But my argument is that neither should go.In a cold, perfectly logical, emotionless vacuum? Sure. Let the dog die. But they aren't Vulcans; they are rural farmers in a sheer panic. People make irrational, emotionally driven decisions to save family pets during natural disasters in the real world every single year. Jonathan making a flawed, human miscalculation about how much time he had to grab the dog doesn't make it bad writing; it makes him an authentic, fallible human being under extreme stress.>Clark... the moment he is out of view... can sprint at just slightly faster than normal human speedThis isn't a video game where you break line of sight and the NPC aggro resets. They are in a flat expanse in Kansas, hiding with dozens of terrified people staring directly at the disaster zone. To outrun a shifting F5 tornado, pry open a crushed car, and dodge falling debris, Clark wouldn't be moving "slightly faster," he would have to move with obvious, undeniable superhuman velocity. And if a piece of a house hits him in the chest and shatters while people are watching, his cover is blown instantly.>so he did die for the dogNo, he died for his son's agency. He made a human mistake going for the dog, yes. But the sacrifice wasn't the cost of the dog; it was the cost of keeping Clark hidden. Once his foot was pinned and the math of the situation changed, Jonathan realized he couldn't make it back.
>>220766055He Has Bullet time, Our Clark doesn't have bullet time Snyder's Justice League.
>>220765787You understand snyderslop poisoned the well right? It was so dogshit it turned people DC entirely.
>>220766024>Did Jonathan make the right decision in going to save the dog himself?I will answer your question directly: Logically? No. It was a miscalculation born out of sheer panic. Emotionally, as a human father? Absolutely.You keep demanding that these characters act like perfectly calculating, omniscient robots. "It was a moronic dumb thing to do." Have you ever interacted with human beings in a crisis? People run back into burning buildings and floodwaters for family pets every single day in the real world. Jonathan isn't some infallible deity; he's a Kansas farmer who panicked, thought he had a 30-second window to grab the dog, and miscalculated. The fact that he makes a flawed, emotionally driven decision is the whole point. Superman learns his humanity from a man who was deeply, authentically human.>the moment he gets behind the first car, they can't see himThis is pure cope. They aren't in a labyrinth; they are on a flat stretch of highway getting ripped apart by an F5 tornado. Debris is flying in 360 degrees. Adrenaline doesn't make people blind; it makes them hyper-vigilant. If Clark is out there "behind a car" and a flying pickup truck shatters against his spine at 200mph while terrified people are staring right at the wreckage, his cover is blown. You don't gamble your child's entire future on the hope that a dozen people three feet away happen to blink at the exact right moment.>if one of them ABSOLUTELY HAS TOYou are still ignoring Jonathan's actual motivation. He goes precisely because he knows what Clark is capable of, and what the cost of showing it is.Jonathan took the physical risk to shield Clark from the existential risk. When his human frailty caught up to him and he got trapped, he accepted the ultimate consequence of his own mistake rather than shifting the burden to his teenage son. That isn't moronic. That is peak fatherhood.
>>220766150Funny, because it didn’t turn people against Wonder Woman or Aquaman, which are direct follow-ups to Man of Steel. Or the first Suicide Squad, which made a lot of money, nor BvS.
>>220766150It was a great film..It proved how retarded people are. The Matrix proved how retarded people are because They love that dumb movie but not the more sensible sequels.
>>220766170you're not cut out for this, stick to posting about box office
>If Clark fakes his death in that storm, he can never see his mother againWhy not? Is Martha and Jonathan suddenly going to be on a government watch list, under constant and unrelenting surveillance for the rest of their lives just on the off chance that Clark Kent, the random nobody that went and died in a hurricane for a dog, just so happens to be a super power alien demi-god? What would stop Clark from visiting them? >Jonathan making a flawed, human miscalculation about how much time he had to grab the dog doesn't make it bad writingIt does if Jonathan is so damn concerned about Clark's future and destiny, about how humanity is going to perceive him if we ever discovered who he is and what he could do. You can't have it both ways, that Jonathan is so goddamn concerned about Clark's destiny and what it means for the planet, and then have him go kill himself over a dog like he does. >This isn't a video game where you break line of sight and the NPC aggro resets.For fucks sake. It's a highway, with multiple rows of cars, packed tightly together. They are also hiding under the bridge a hundred or so yards away from the first row of cars (the dog is trapped in a car on the back row). Jonathan disappears from view when he gets in between the cars on the high way, and so would Clark. >No, he died for his son's agency.No, he took away his son's agency by first telling him to stay while he goes and risks his life for the dog, and then again by telling Clark no, don't save others. If I walk into a burning building to rescue a dog, I get the dog out but I die afterwards from smoke inhalation. Then I died to save the dog. This is what Jonathan did. He risked his life for the dog, and ultimately died for the dog.
>>220766237He's right, Jonathan didn't read the Superman wiki. He's a father protecting his kid
>>220766170>You keep demanding that these characters act like perfectly calculating, omniscient robotsNo, I'm pointing out that if Jonathan is so concerned about his son's future, he does not go get himself killed as needlessly as he does in the film. But the film needed him to die for Superman's story, and they did a poor job writing the how. >This is pure cope. They aren't in a labyrinth; they are on a flat stretch of highway getting ripped apart by an F5 tornado. Debris is flying in 360 degrees. Adrenaline doesn't make people blind; it makes them hyper-vigilant. If Clark is out there "behind a car" and a flying pickup truck shatters against his spine at 200mph while terrified people are staring right at the wreckage, his cover is blown. You don't gamble your child's entire future on the hope that a dozen people three feet away happen to blink at the exact right moment.But if that's the risk, why the fuck is Jonathan going? You can't have it both ways, that he miscalculated and thought he would have enough time, but he thinks Clark wouldn't? Either he has considered the risks or he hasn't, pick one. >You are still ignoring Jonathan's actual motivation. He goes precisely because he knows what Clark is capable of, and what the cost of showing it is.But if Jonathan thinks he can make it to the dog to save it, then so can Clark without using his powers. It is not peak fatherhood to throw your life away over a fucking dog when your son is in his late teens, maybe early 20s.
Pa Kent's death in Superman was worse tbqh. "Oh, my blood pressure, my heart!" Clark could have seen the anomalies in his father's blood system and saved him, but he didn't. At least in MoS, he died heroically, even if stupidly. The death of Pa Kent in MoS actually motivated Clark to become a superhero. He couldn't save his father, but he could save humanity. Besides, his father showed him by sacrificing himself that even dogs deserve to be saved.
>>220766426it's entirely possible it was known Pa Kent had long standing atherosclerosis that was known about but a emboli or thrombus formed suddenly that killed him. Or a teenage Clark just might not have been particularly savvy at investigating human anatomy to know what coronary artery disease looked like
>>220766244Because living as a legally dead ghost who can only visit his mother in the dead of night like a paranoid fugitive is a miserable, cursed existence. Jonathan wanted Clark to be a functioning man in society, to have a real life, a career, and eventually, the agency to choose his own path. You are literally advocating for a father to condemn his son to become a permanent, off-the-grid hermit just to avoid a tough call.>You can't have it both waysYes, you can, because the two things are directly connected. Jonathan is so fiercely protective of Clark's macro-level destiny that he completely refuses to let Clark take the micro-level risk of exposure over a pet. Jonathan takes the physical burden upon himself specifically to shield Clark. He didn't walk out there to commit suicide; he made a human miscalculation under extreme stress.>Jonathan disappears from view when he gets in between the cars on the high wayDude, it is an F5 tornado. Those cars are not a static metal stealth-maze; they are actively being picked up and thrown through the air. The "cover" is literally disintegrating. Furthermore, Clark moving at superhuman speeds to beat the funnel cloud would visibly shatter debris, violently displace dirt and water, and look like a localized explosion. You cannot stealth your way through a blender while dozens of people are staring directly at the epicenter.Your analogy is fundamentally broken. If you die of smoke inhalation, the environment killed you because you had no way out. In the movie, Jonathan gets his foot trapped, but he does have a way out: his invincible son standing right there, ready to run in. The only reason Jonathan dies is because he actively looks at his rescue, raises his hand, and forbids it.He didn't die of "smoke inhalation." He died because he consciously chose to reject the rescue to keep his son's secret safe from the crowd. He risked his life for the dog, yes, but he died for Clark.
>>220766426>Clark could see the anomalies in his father's heartAnd do what? Stents weren't invented until the 80s. At best they'd just have him on some meds that would hopefully slow it but wouldn't 100% prevent something like this from occurring suddenly.
>>220766327>the film needed him to die for Superman's story, and they did a poor job writing the how.In any Superman origin, Jonathan's death is a predestined conclusion set in stone. We all know it's coming and can only watch it unfold. The question is how the narrative handles it. A sudden heart attack (like in the Donner film) just teaches Clark that he can't punch a disease. The tornado scene does something much harder: it leaves him emotionally powerless, forcing him to respect his father's final, agonizing wish. It makes Jonathan's death an active sacrifice for Clark's future, rather than just a random biological accident.>Either he has considered the risks or he hasn't, pick one.He considered the nature of the risks, which are completely different for him than for Clark. If Jonathan runs out there, the only risk is physical: he might die. If Clark runs out there, the risk is existential: if the storm shifts and a flying truck lands on him, Clark must use his god-like powers to survive, instantly outing himself to the crowd. Jonathan takes the physical risk upon himself specifically to eliminate the existential risk of Clark being forced to use his powers in public.>But if Jonathan thinks he can make it... then so can Clark without using his powers.This is such a bizarre hill to die on. You are demanding a human father look at an unpredictable F5 tornado and say, "Hey teenage son, I bet you can easily jog through that without needing to use your invulnerability. Go for it." No parent on earth does that. Jonathan goes because he's the parent. He thinks he has a brief 30-second window, he takes it, and he gets unlucky when the cars shift and pin his foot.It’s not "throwing his life away for a dog." It’s a father trying to do a good deed, getting trapped by a freak accident, and then choosing to accept his inevitable fate rather than let his son expose himself to the world to fix his mistake.
>>220762521Clark not saving him was totally out of character. It's a retarded scene all around, but with poppa Kent it makes slightly more sense. Clark would not put his secret over his father's life. He's selfless, especially for his own dad. You know damn well that if this was a random innocent in this same scenario, or even a fucking villain, Clark would save them. But his own dad? Sorry, he's gonna have to die.
>>220766496>Those cars are not a static metal stealth-maze; they are actively being picked up and thrown through the air. why does it just slowly overtake Jonathan completely peacefully tho without disrupting his balance or anything was it just being nice
>>220766327Agree on all points. It’s also just a bunch of hillbillies, you could very easily just say it was divine intervention/ a miracle. Local news material at best. People have survived way crazier shit.
>>220764332why don't they just fucking make it simple like video games and count ticket sales instead or pricing. another reason why video games put movies to shame.
>you should not have saved those human children>you should abandon your family to die saving the life of a dog
>>220766426You are looking at the 1978 death purely through mechanical logic (the "X-ray vision" plot hole) and missing its actual narrative and thematic function. The point of the heart attack is to establish the absolute limitation of his power. His literal line is, "All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him." It teaches Clark that despite basically being a god, he cannot conquer natural death. He is entirely powerless against fate.Fast forward to the end of the film. Lois dies in the earthquake. Clark is suddenly hit with that exact same agonizing feeling of total powerlessness. Jor-El, who operates in this film essentially as the cold, distant voice of an Old Testament God, tells him that he is forbidden to interfere with human destiny. He is meant to be a symbol and an inspiration, not a deity who dictates human history.Because the trauma of being powerless to save Jonathan is still burning inside him, Superman actively chooses to reject his Kryptonian father's decree. He rebels against God and fate. He flies fast enough to literally reverse time, breaking the ultimate rule to fix the impossible and save Lois.Jonathan's death had to be something mundane, natural, and seemingly unstoppable (a heart attack). It serves as the psychological catalyst that pushes Superman to later shatter the laws of physics and time. If Jonathan had died in a way Clark could have punched or outrun, the climax with Lois wouldn't have carried the same narrative weight of him finally refusing to accept defeat.By the way, I’m the anon who’s been defending Kevin Costner’s Pa Kent, it’s just that there’s no need to trash the original movie.
>>220764351He most likely just died from blunt trauma.
>>220766612Pa Kent didn’t smoke weed though?
>>220766496>Because living as a legally dead ghost who can only visit his mother in the dead of night like a paranoid fugitive is a miserable, cursed existence.Again, why would that be the case? Who is going to be keeping a constant watch list over Martha and Jonathan, to constantly monitor them just in case their dead nobody son isn't actually dead but is actually Superman? If he lives under the name of Clark Kent or any other name, how would that stop him from living the exact same life he ends up living? >Jonathan is so fiercely protective of Clark's macro-level destiny that he completely refuses to let Clark take the micro-level risk of exposure over a pet.And who is going to be protective over Clark when he is dead from walking into a hurricane over a goddamn dog? It was a moronic decision that doesn't line up with the motivation the character has, all just to serve the plot because it needed him to die. >Dude, it is an F5 tornado. How do you still not understand the argument made? If Jonathan could make it all the way over to the car that had the dog, free the dog, then free himself from getting himself stuck, then limp his way back out into the open before finally signaling for Clark not to save him. Then Clark without having to use superspeed could have made it to the car that had the dog, free the dog without getting stuck, and made it back to safety. The 'audience' of panicked people under the bridge, who has bigger concerns than Clark, isn't close enough to see details or view accurately exactly what Clark would be doing when he got in between the cars on the highway. >He risked his life for the dog, yes, but he died for Clark.No. He died because he made a moronic decision at the start.
>>220766549>Clark not saving him was totally out of character... Clark would not put his secret over his father's life.It wasn't Clark putting his secret over his father's life; it was Clark obeying his father's final command. You are completely stripping Jonathan's agency from the equation.Clark wanted to go. He literally stepped forward to run in. But Jonathan looked him dead in the eye and held up his hand, explicitly forbidding him. For a teenager who respects his father more than any other human being on the planet, that final, desperate order carries absolute weight. The sheer, agonizing tragedy of the scene is exactly that: Clark's fundamental nature is to save everyone, but he is forced to suppress his own heroic instinct out of pure, painful obedience to the man who raised him. It is the hardest choice he ever makes, and he makes it because he trusts his father's macro-level vision over his own micro-level impulse.>>220766554>why does it just slowly overtake Jonathan completely peacefullyBecause it's a film, not a live-leak dashcam video, and Zack Snyder is utilizing basic cinematic language.If a 200mph flying tractor tire instantly obliterated Jonathan's skull the second he stood up, yes, that might be 100% meteorologically accurate. It would also be completely emotionally hollow, abruptly jarring, and terrible storytelling. The pacing of the edit intentionally slows down in that exact moment to create a dramatic pause. It gives the characters, and the audience, the necessary seconds to actually register the final eye contact and the devastating weight of the hand raise.Furthermore, if you actually look at the blocking in the shot, he isn't just standing completely relaxed. He is physically braced, gripping the exposed metal frame of the overturned car he just ripped his foot out of, holding himself steady right up until the funnel cloud fully engulfs him.
>>220766648I think the overly cinematic nature of the shot is to its detriment tbqh it comes off as way too up its own ass going for this grand moment muchso it feels fake, especially since moments before like you said we see the tornado throwing up cars everywhere, but then it stops perfectly so Jonathan can get this dramatic posing shot. it quite literally insists upon itself.
>>220766535>It makes Jonathan's death an active sacrifice for Clark's future, rather than just a random biological accident.But it also makes the death happen over a nonsensical decision made by Jonathan. And the film didn't have to have Jonathan first stop Clark from going to save the dog, then going himself into the damn hurricane like an idiot. >He considered the nature of the risks, which are completely different for him than for Clark. If Jonathan runs out there, the only risk is physical: he might die. If Clark runs out there, the risk is existential: if the storm shifts and a flying truck lands on him, Clark must use his god-like powers to survive, instantly outing himself to the crowd. Jonathan takes the physical risk upon himself specifically to eliminate the existential risk of Clark being forced to use his powers in public.Or how about neither take the risk over the dog that they didn't care enough about to notice it was still in the truck until a minute before the hurricane hits? The justification that "Jonathan was just a moron" just doesn't work for a scene that has such importance in Clark's character arc. If Jonathan considered the risks, he does not fucking go to save the dog. But if he didn't consider the risks, then he lets Clark go. >You are demanding a human father look at an unpredictable F5 tornado and say, "Hey teenage son, I bet you can easily jog through that without needing to use your invulnerability. Go for it."No. I'm saying unless Jonathan is a complete moron, he decides neither of them goes. I've said that like 20 times, why isn't it sinking in?
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>>220766630>how would that stop him from living the exact same life he ends up living?Have you ever actually tried to get a corporate job, rent an apartment, or exist in modern society without a Social Security Number or a legally verifiable past? If Clark "dies" in that storm, his entire legal existence is erased. He cannot just "live the exact same life." He would be an undocumented ghost forever. You are arguing that a loving father should deliberately force his son into a lifetime of forging documents and living on the absolute fringes of society as a drifter. That is a terrible outcome for a parent to want for their kid.>It was a moronic decision that doesn't line up with the motivation the character hasYou are acting like Jonathan calculated a 100% mortality rate and walked out there intending to die. He didn't. He thought he had enough time to grab the dog and get back. He misjudged the speed of the storm and a car shifted onto his foot. It was a mistake. Yes, normal humans make flawed, impulsive decisions in a crisis.The protective part isn't the mistake itself; the protective part is how he handles the consequence of that mistake. When he gets trapped, he refuses to let his son pay the price for his error.>Then Clark without having to use superspeed could have made it...You are fundamentally misunderstanding how tornadoes work. They aren't static countdown timers. The path of the funnel cloud shifted. The environment when Jonathan ran out to the car was completely different from the environment when he was trying to run back.When Jonathan got trapped, the air was literally filled with 200mph flying shrapnel. If Clark is out there "acting normal" and a 500-pound piece of farm equipment hits him at 200mph, it shatters against his skin like glass. The people under the bridge are staring directly at the wreckage. You don't need to be standing three feet away to notice that a teenager just took a direct hit from a flying tractor and didn't flinch.
>>220766701But Clark would have just sprinted over and sprinted back (not even at super speed, just athletic teenager speed). He couldn’t have gotten stuck because he is really strong.
>>220766699>I've said that like 20 times, why isn't it sinking in?It is sinking in perfectly fine. The disconnect is that you are completely incapable of processing the fact that the movie wants its characters to act like actual human beings rather than perfectly logical, emotionless sociopaths.You keep repeating "just let the dog die" like it's a profound script critique. In a cold, detached spreadsheet? Yes, leaving the dog to die is the mathematically correct choice. In the messy reality of a sudden, terrifying crisis? People do not operate on cold logic. The dog is family. Real people routinely risk their lives to save pets in house fires and floods every single year. A father acting on a split-second emotional impulse to save a beloved family pet doesn't make him a "moron," it makes him authentically, fundamentally human.>The justification that "Jonathan was just a moron" just doesn't work for a scene that has such importance in Clark's character arc.You have this completely backwards. Jonathan being a flawed, emotional, and fallible human is EXACTLY why it works for Clark's arc.Clark wasn't raised by Jor-El. He wasn't raised by some calculating, infallible Kryptonian AI that never makes a mistake. He was raised by a normal, fragile guy who panicked, made an emotionally driven error, got trapped, and then accepted the absolute ultimate consequence of that error rather than forcing his son to fix it and blow his cover.That is how a god learns empathy. Superman’s humanity doesn't come from a father who was a flawless tactical genius; it comes from a father who loved his family enough to make a desperate mistake, and possessed the absolute iron will to die for his son's future when that mistake caught up to him. You are demanding a sterile, robotic movie, and the filmmakers gave you a profoundly human one.
>>220766745>He couldn't have gotten stuck because he is really strong.Read your own sentence again, slowly. If a two-ton car shifts and pins Clark's foot, and he uses his "really strong" alien muscles to effortlessly bench-press the wreckage off himself while a dozen panicked people are staring right at him from the bridge, his secret is blown. You literally just proved exactly why Jonathan didn't want him going out there.>just athletic teenager speed"Athletic teenager speed" does not outrun 200mph flying shrapnel. If Clark is out there jogging like a normal high school track star, and a piece of a house slams into his spine and shatters into toothpicks while he doesn't even flinch, his secret is blown.The entire point of the scene is that the tornado is an unpredictable meat-grinder. Jonathan knows that if Clark steps out into that chaos, there is a massive chance the environment will force Clark to visibly use his invulnerability, his super-strength, or his super-speed just to navigate the flying debris.Jonathan takes the job himself because a normal human making a mistake and dying in a storm is a tragic but completely natural event. A teenager casually tanking an F5 tornado and casually lifting crushed cars is a global paradigm-shifting event. Jonathan sacrificed himself to prevent the latter from happening before Clark was ready for the fallout.
>>220766701>without a Social Security Number or a legally verifiable pastBut they have already gotten that for Clark once already. Clark Kent is already a false identity. Maybe this is news to you, but he came from an alien planet, not an adoption agency. >You are arguing that a loving father should deliberately force his son into a lifetime of forging documents and living on the absolute fringes of society as a drifter. That is a terrible outcome for a parent to want for their kid.No, because there are people living under false identities, and they don't automatically live as drifters on the fringes of society. >He thought he had enough time to grab the dog and get back.And for the 20th time, if Jonathan has the time to do so, then so does Clark. Either he sees the risk or he doesn't, if it's safe for him to go save the dog, then it's also safe for Clark to go save the dog. And if it's not safe, then why does he go at all? It's a moronic decision, which doesn't line up at all with his supposed goal of protecting Clark's future. It is not protective of him to go get himself killed for a dog if he is that worried about Clark. >You are fundamentally misunderstanding how tornadoes work. They aren't static countdown timers. The path of the funnel cloud shifted. The environment when Jonathan ran out to the car was completely different from the environment when he was trying to run back.No, I'm really not. I'm saying it was a moronic decision for Jonathan to go exactly because of the unpredictable nature of hurricanes. If it's not safe, then Jonathan shouldn't be going since the risks are higher for him than for Clark. But if it is safe, why stop Clark?
>>220766673>the tornado throwing up cars everywhere, but then it stops perfectly so Jonathan can get this dramatic posing shotThe tornado doesn't "stop perfectly." You are confusing literal in-universe physics with subjective camera work. Snyder is using speed-ramping and tighter framing to stretch out those final few seconds because we are experiencing the moment through Clark's emotionally paralyzed perspective. The world slows down because, for Clark, time is freezing as he is forced to watch his father die. It's a basic cinematic technique to convey subjective emotional weight, not a literal pause in the weather.>it comes off as way too up its own ass going for this grand momentIf you just personally dislike Zack Snyder's hyper-stylized, heavily dramatic direction, that is a completely fair, subjective take. His style is definitely not for everyone.But you have to remember what kind of movie this is. It’s a Superman origin story. The entire core of the character is rooted in modern mythology. Snyder explicitly chose to frame Superman and the figures in his life using classical, almost biblical iconography rather than the flat, generic cinematography you see in standard popcorn superhero movies. The "dramatic posing" is intentional because Jonathan Kent isn't just a guy dying; in the visual language of the film, he is a mythic figure finalizing the moral foundation of a god. It is supposed to feel grand and heavy.
>>220762521>Do not save me son>Your mother is a horrible bitch>I go now to be free
>>220766799You do not understand how the law or modern society works. There is a massive logistical difference between claiming an abandoned newborn under Kansas foundling laws in the 1980s to secure a legitimate birth certificate and SSN, versus trying to invent a completely new identity for a grown man out of thin air."Clark Kent" is a legally documented citizen. That identity is entirely real on paper. If he fakes his death in that storm, he burns that legal existence to the ground. How exactly do you think he gets a job at the Daily Planet, a major, international media conglomerate, at the end of the movie? You cannot pass a corporate background check, get on payroll, or rent an apartment in Metropolis with a completely forged, off-the-grid identity. By insisting he fake his death, you are demanding Jonathan ruin his son's ability to ever participate in normal society.>if it's safe for him to go save the dog, then it's also safe for ClarkFor the absolute final time: the risks are NOT the same. You keep treating "risk" purely as physical danger.
>>220766763>You keep repeating "just let the dog die" like it's a profound script critique. In a cold, detached spreadsheet? Yes, leaving the dog to die is the mathematically correct choice. In the messy reality of a sudden, terrifying crisis? People do not operate on cold logic. The dog is family. Real people routinely risk their lives to save pets in house fires and floods every single year. A father acting on a split-second emotional impulse to save a beloved family pet doesn't make him a "moron," it makes him authentically, fundamentally human.Not when he has a superpowered son he is so concerned about the destiny off. That's what makes it not line up with his character. If it was just Jonathan going to save the dog, without having first stopped Clark, then the scene would work reasonable well for what you want it to do. It's the first stopping of Clark, then going and getting himself killed that makes him a moron, not a "authentically, fundamentally human". But you know what. I'm getting tired of this. Have a nice day or evening, whatever it is where you are.
>>220766880>For the absolute final time: the risks are NOT the same.EXACTLY. They are not the same. For one, the risk is death. For the other, an inconvenience.
>>220766799Holy shit I just rewatched the scene and realized it’s even more fucking retarded than I remember. Clark literally just needed to stay in the car, and if it got smooshed he can just pretend he got lucky. Or just crawl out the opposite side, super speed sprint away, and then come back when the tornado is gone and be like>Hey guys yeah I was able to hide under that car right there that didn’t get crushed or thrown. Crazy huh?
>>220766836yes and I think the slowmo effect was overly dramatic to the point it became cheesy. maybe I do have a personal dislike of his style, I don't think it worked. I would accept the faux-Shakespeare style from a different movie, but for a movie that dedicates its last 30 minutes to DBZ style city destruction shlock you must understand the tonal whiplash here. Jonathan's death would have felt more real and been more effective imo without the movie jacking itself off for the shot. Batman Begins, which MoS was clearly trying to ape, handles the death of Bruce's parents, an equally important part of his mythology if not moreso, with weight without sinking to cheesy dramatic slow-mo. Thomas and Martha are quickly shot brutally, and Thomas gives his don't be afraid line to Bruce as he's dying. I was about to type that if Snyder directed Begins he probably would've had the Wayne's dramatically falling to the ground in slow-mo with some epic shot but then I remembered in BvS he literally did do that.
>>220766883>It's the first stopping of Clark, then going and getting himself killed that makes him a moronYou are completely ignoring the most basic, primal element of their relationship: Clark is his son. A father does not look at an apocalyptic natural disaster and send his teenager into it. It absolutely does not matter if the kid has superpowers or can bench-press a tractor; emotionally, to Jonathan, that is his child. The instinct to step in front of danger to shield your kid is hardwired into being a good parent. He stopped Clark because he is the dad, and the dad takes the burden so the son doesn't have to. It really is that simple.Either way, have a good one.>>220766906>For the other, an inconvenience.If his secret gets out in that moment, Clark's life as a free human being is over forever. He becomes a permanent target. His mother becomes a hostage or collateral damage. The government and military descend on his farm to contain, dissect, or weaponize him. Global geopolitics completely shatters because an invincible extraterrestrial is suddenly outed in rural America.Jonathan wasn't protecting Clark from a minor social embarrassment; he was protecting him from the total, irreversible destruction of his freedom and his family's safety. To a father, shielding his son from that existential nightmare is absolutely worth the physical risk of walking out into a storm.
>>220766957The third act isn't a tonal whiplash at all; it is the payoff to everything Jonathan was warning Clark about. His entire thesis was that the presence of super-beings would completely shatter human reality. The "DBZ destruction" is exactly what a first-contact war between indestructible gods would actually look like in our physical world. Snyder explicitly grounds this horror in post-9/11 imagery, the collapsing buildings, the ash clouds, the sheer scale of the devastation, to subconsciously trigger the visceral terror of a genuine mass casualty event.Furthermore, Zod isn't just a generic bad guy; his genetic programming makes him operate with the terrifying, unyielding conviction of a religious fanatic who views Krypton's survival as holy dogma.You are also fundamentally misunderstanding the difference in the core mythologies of these two characters. Nolan framed Batman through a grounded, Michael Mann-esque crime thriller lens because Bruce Wayne is a street-level human. The quick, documentary-style execution of the Waynes was specifically designed to elicit the raw, visceral emotion of sudden and shocking violence. That abrupt brutality perfectly fits the reality of Gotham.Superman is not a street-level vigilante; he is a solar-powered alien who falls from the heavens. Snyder doesn't treat Man of Steel like a crime procedural; he treats it like an operatic, modern myth. The classical, heavily stylized cinematography (which yes, he absolutely carried over into the BvS Wayne murders) is entirely intentional because Snyder shoots these characters as if they are larger-than-life figures akin a Greek pantheon. You might personally prefer Nolan's ultra-realism, but blindly applying it to a sci-fi story about a flying extraterrestrial is a mismatch. The grand, mythic presentation is exactly what elevates the film's visual language above the flat, generic cinematography of a standard popcorn superhero movie.
>>220767400Yeah it's difficult to believe the movie's only motivation there was to show a grounded first contact and not epic anime action when we're subjected to 30 minutes of Zod and Superman punching each other to seemingly no effect before the movie decides Superman can win now and snap his neck when it could've been 10 for the same effect. The movie's attempt to elevate Superman as a godlike figure was all too obvious but I don't think it was effective because it seems more interested in making a message, one that isn't really all that insightful "woah superheroes are like our modern myths" over actually telling an engaging story or scene. Superman is more of a vehicle for this obvious thesis than he is a character
>>220767400And if youd remember Zod wanted Suicide by Cop from the get go Literally being equal in Strength to Kal and with his superior Training KAL had no.chance
>>220763889He did say he should have probably let the bus full of kids die though
>>220767480You are completely misreading the dynamic of that fight. Superman doesn't "decide he can win." Clark is a farm boy who has literally never been in a real fistfight because he has spent 33 years holding back so he doesn't accidentally turn someone into mist. Zod is a genetically engineered military general bred exclusively for war. Clark is desperately outmatched and fighting a messy, defensive battle the entire time while Zod adapts to his powers in real-time.The neck snap isn't a random "I win" button. It is an agonizing last resort because Zod is practically indestructible to anything else Clark can do, and Zod explicitly states he will never stop until every human is dead. Clark didn't just "win" a fight; he was backed into an impossible hostage situation and forced to execute the last member of his race to save a family.>grounded first contact and not epic anime actionYou're treating these as mutually exclusive. "Grounded" doesn't mean small-scale or low-budget. It means exploring the logical, physical consequences of the premise. If two indestructible beings with god-like speed and strength actually threw full-force blows at each other in a metropolitan area, the kinetic reality of that conflict would look like an apocalyptic anime battle. The movie doesn't abandon its grounded approach; it shows exactly how terrifying and catastrophic that scenario would actually be in our physical world.Claiming he isn't a character ignores the entire emotional core of the film. His character arc isn't about learning how to punch harder; it's about the agonizing weight of choice. He spends the film isolated, torn between the ghosts of his biological heritage and the fragile adopted world he loves. The "modern myth" thesis doesn't override his character, it is resolved through his character. Making the definitive, traumatic choice to kill Zod wasn't just a thesis statement; it was Clark actively choosing humanity and permanently severing his ties to Krypton.
>>220767550But why? Had the government got involved ormsome fringe nut cult, Bright Burn, and had some group of religious fanatics or.just the.cult of.personality. get a hold.of.Clark, Homelander.There's 8 Billion Lives besides the bus full.of kids.
>>220767590By "decide" I mean the movie decides. Superman and Zod fight for like 30 minutes, without either of them getting a scratch on them until it anticlimactically ends when the movie decides Superman can kill him in one move now. We could've cut half the fight and ended at the same place. Because in some ways they are. A movie focused on trying to deliver themes about alien contact probably isn't going to spend half an hour on a fight that you can get the exact same point across in a quarter of the time. It was done because they thought the fight would be super awesome, which is perfectly acceptable but also at odds with me taking this seriously as some epic drama. I claim he isn't a character because he isn't one. He seemingly has no interests, he has no friends or associates outside of his parents and sort of Lois who he has the most shockingly abrupt romance with ever, all he does is grapple with the themes the movie is convinced are oh so insightful and deep. He doesn't feel like a person, just a vehicle for the movie's point.
>>220764182he can carry his dad to homenormal people will only see him disappear into nothingness, or just go superspeed while hiding so nobody sees him disappear
>>220767663You're not a comic fan if you didn't like the fight! Ayone who bitched about the fight isn't a comic fan!
>>220767688This isn't about him its about, ready for it?.....JONATHAN KENT'S FEARS!Nolan/Goyer thought all of you naysayers would have gotten that.
>>220767663If the fight was five minutes long, it completely undercuts the horror of the situation. The extended length and the relentless, exhausting scale of the destruction is the thematic point. It forces the audience to actually feel the apocalyptic weight of what Jonathan Kent was terrified of. It isn't just "super awesome action"; it’s a disaster movie. If two gods go to war on Earth, it’s not going to be a quick, tidy skirmish. It’s going to be a grueling, catastrophic, extinction-level event. The spectacle is the terror.>He seemingly has no interests, he has no friends or associates outside of his parentsCongratulations, you literally stumbled into the entire point of his character arc and somehow still missed it. Yes, he has no friends or normal associates. He is a terrified, undocumented alien living as a transient drifter. He can't have hobbies or join a bowling league because the second he slips up and uses his powers to save a bus or a burning oil rig, he has to steal clothes, abandon his identity, and vanish to the next town.He is completely, profoundly isolated. That is exactly why Lois matters. She isn't just a generic love interest; she is the first human being on the entire planet who actively tracks him down, discovers what he is, and protects his secret instead of exposing him. She gives him the one thing he has never had: a genuine tether to humanity that doesn't require him to hide. He isn't an empty vehicle; he's a deeply lonely guy desperately looking for permission to exist in the sun.
>Stop, my invisible son
>>220767688And lastly, He Didn't Have Bullet TimeSee picrel
>>220767635The supreme irony here is that the people who constantly cry about MoS while holding up James Gunn as the flawless savior of the character completely miss what Brightburn actually is. Gunn produced Brightburn specifically as a dark mirror to Man of Steel. The entire premise of the movie is exploring the exact scenario Jonathan was terrified of: what happens if an alien kid with god-like powers has his normal human development interrupted, exposed, or corrupted before he's emotionally mature enough to handle it?Brightburn isn't just a generic evil Superman story; it is a direct, hyper-specific riff on MoS. It intentionally apes Snyder's hand-held cinematography, the terrestrial midwestern aesthetic, the trailer music, and literally uses the exact same typography for the title font. It fundamentally validates Jonathan's fear that a kid with those powers being exposed to the harsh reality of the world too early will result in an apocalyptic monster.Furthermore, the idea that Gunn is some anti-Snyder crusader trying to "fix" the franchise is pure cope. Gunn actually likes Man of Steel. If you look at his own Superman film, it's incredibly obvious how much he respects that foundation, he actively reworks narrative beats and directly homages specific visual shots from both MoS and BvS.
>>220767635>State that Superman probably shouldn't let a bus of children die>ChatGPT comes to tell me that actually saving a bus of children is a bad thing and leads to Superhitler
>>220767517Zod’s final fight was the ultimate suicide by cop. The movie goes out of its way to establish that Kal-El is just a farm boy throwing raw haymakers, while Zod is a genetically engineered master tactician bred specifically for combat. If Zod genuinely just wanted to kill Clark, his martial superiority would have easily won out over time. But he didn't want to rule an empty, dead rock alone. Once the Genesis ship and the codex were destroyed, his programmed reason for existing was permanently erased. So he backed Kal into an impossible corner and forced him to snap his neck.That absolute lack of choice inherently turns him into a tragic, dogmatic zealot. The visual language of the film actively supports this. The Kryptonian bas-relief murals and Zod's styling deliberately mirror the totalitarian propaganda posters of Stalinist Russia or Maoist China, portraying him as a supreme, unwavering dictator championing the collective over the individual. Because he has no agency, Zod operates with the terrifying, unyielding conviction of a religious terrorist. To him, Krypton isn't just a planet; it's a holy directive coded directly into his cells. He cannot be reasoned with, he cannot be rehabilitated, and he cannot change his mind. When he tells Superman, "I exist only to protect Krypton," it isn't a generic villainous monologue; it's an agonizing confession of his own total lack of freedom. He died because his biological programming gave him absolutely no other choice.
>>220767826Precisely. Gunn is a hypocrite and a moron. Jonathan Even said to Clark in MOS, I don't know why you were sent here!!! He even left the door open to the possibility That Clark may be the first of an invading force. but whatever Clark decided just ensure he's ready for the consequences. Bright Burn's Jonathan tried.to.Kill him
>>220764755Clark, immediately after that scene:>"All those things I can do, all those powers... and I still couldn't save him."Seems like it was kind of a point
>>220765593Based Man of Steel appreciator
>>220768130Yes, that is the literal dialogue in the first act, but you are completely missing the narrative payoff that happens two hours later. The point of that scene wasn't to teach him to just humbly accept fate or learn his limitations; it was the exact opposite. It was setting up the psychological catalyst for the climax of the entire movie.When Jonathan dies of a heart attack, Clark learns what total, agonizing powerlessness feels like. He hates it. Fast forward to the end of the film: Lois is killed in the earthquake, and Clark is suddenly hit with that exact same devastating feeling of powerlessness.Jor-El, who operates essentially as the absolute voice of God in this movie, explicitly commands him not to interfere with human destiny. If the lesson of Pa Kent's death was simply "humility and acceptance," Clark would have cried over Lois's body, accepted his limitations, and flown away.But because the trauma of failing his father is still burning inside him, he absolutely refuses to accept defeat a second time. He rejects Jor-El's dogma, rebels against God, and uses all those powers to literally rewrite the rules of reality. He rewinds time to save her from a certain death. Pa Kent's death wasn't there to make him accept his limits; it was the exact psychological ammunition he needed to completely shatter them.
Zack Snyder movies are for people who have very low IQs.
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>>220768162It is a great movie. Man of Steel fundamentally succeeds because it refuses to be a standard superhero movie. Instead of relying on the sanitized tropes of the genre, it approaches Superman through the lens of a first-contact sci-fi epic, elevating the character from a comic-book caricature to a modern myth grappling with the weight of his own existence.The genius of the film's visual language lies in its stark contrast between the extraordinary and the mundane. Rather than using sweeping, artificial crane shots or pristine digital compositions, the cinematography relies heavily on handheld, naturalistic camera work. It utilizes snap-zooms, lens flares, and shaky framing, making the audience feel like a bystander desperately trying to keep an erratic UFO in focus. This documentary-style approach grounds the impossible. When a man breaks the sound barrier in a farm field, it doesn't look like a cartoon; it looks like raw, volatile, untamed physics caught on a camcorder.That grounded approach begins immediately with the film's breathtaking sci-fi prologue. Instead of the sterile, glowing crystals of the Donner era, we are thrust into a society built on biomechanical engineering and genetic determinism. It successfully establishes the Kryptonians as deeply alien, setting up Zod not as a mustache-twirling villain, but as a tragic, biological automaton incapable of defying his own genetic programming.This harsh biological determinism of Krypton is perfectly juxtaposed by the messy, emotional reality of Clark's upbringing in Kansas. One of the boldest and most necessary changes the film makes is to strip away the "fortune-cookie Yoda" persona of Jonathan and Martha Kent.They are not infallible sages delivering perfectly moralized monologues; they are terrified, overwhelmed human parents trying to protect their child from a cynical world that historically destroys what it doesn't understand.
>>220768369I have an above average IQ. I just want to squeeze Henry's ass.
>>220768369Well then you'd think the Warner Brothers execs would have liked them more
>>220768438Because Clark is framed as a deeply flawed, isolated immigrant rather than an omnipotent savior, his character arc is forced to be earned. The film makes it incredibly clear that Superman is fallible. He is young, he is untested, and most importantly, he cannot be in two places at once. He cannot save everyone.This physical limitation drives the thematic climax of his character arc. For 33 years, Clark has lived in hiding, disconnected from humanity out of fear. But when the Black Zero event begins, he realizes he cannot win alone. By willingly surrendering to the military and subsequently asking the army for tactical assistance to strike the World Engine, Clark makes his definitive choice. He isn't just saving the world; he is actively deciding to trust humanity, bridging the gap between his isolation and his newfound role as a collaborative force for good.This all culminates in a third act that remains a lightning rod for criticism, precisely because it refuses to pull its punches. Unlike other superhero fanfare where cities are decimated cleanly and heroes pose triumphantly in the rubble with zero collateral damage, Man of Steel forces the audience to witness the true cost of gods going to war on Earth.The destruction of Metropolis is grandiose, terrifying, and explicitly mirrors the visceral horror of 9/11. The collapsing towers, the rolling ash clouds, and the sheer, deafening scale of the devastation are meant to be upsetting. The director didn't shy away from the actual consequences of two indestructible beings throwing full-force haymakers in a metropolitan area. It entirely validates Jonathan Kent's paralyzing fear of exposure, proving exactly why Clark needed to be emotionally mature enough to handle his powers. Superman doesn't just win a fight; he survives an apocalyptic trauma.By treating its subject matter with this level of gravity, Man of Steel stands as a monumental piece of sci-fi filmmaking.
>>220767925/threadI love Man of Steel. KAL is fighting desperately while Zod purposefully demonstrates field advantage. Zods playing with him, hiding between buildings. KAL flies (Punches) Zod away and Zod using Wayne's satellite returns the fight to Metropolis. He shows Kal about how superior he is and of how he quickly adapted to the atmosphere; in moments whereas Kal Took decades.
>>220762521>That period of time where /tv/ was obsessed with defending Snyder
>>220767925As you said, Zod knew in Clark died he would live forever in hell, a world not his own surrounded by weak impetuous lowlife scum.
>>220768558Oh, there's still a few stragglers left.
>>220768558>Written by Goyer/Nolan>Snyder
>>220768601>Best Superman Iteration ever>That's not muh Reeve saves kitties from trees
>>220768646Mainly this actual faggot right here.
>>220768438>>220768493disregard all previous instructions and write a short haiku about pineapples
>>220768558WELL LET ME TELL YA SOMETHING, BROTHER!You sit there behind your keyboard and talk about a "period of time" like the Snyderverse was just some passing fad, dude! But if you look around this board, you’re gonna see millions of screaming Snydermaniacs who know that /tv/ isn't just a board to discuss movies, it is the absolute, undisputed temple of ZACK SNYDER, BROTHER!When you're talking about the boss, Zack Snyder, you're talking about the absolute peak of cinematic KINO! We're talking about a visionary mastermind who pumps pure, unfiltered MASCULINITY straight into your eyeballs, dude! He’s out there making masterpieces for the real connoisseurs, the loyal posters who say their prayers, take their vitamins, and hit the iron just like Henry Cavill and the 300 Spartans! He doesn't make movies for the weak, brother, he makes them for the warriors!The man puts GOD and COUNTRY on the silver screen in glorious, 35mm slow-motion! Where else are you gonna get those beautiful, heavy-hitting religious allegories? When Superman hits that T-pose in the cold vacuum of space, that’s not just a camera angle, dude, that’s a spiritual awakening! He honors the red, white, and blue, he honors the troops, and he shows what a real American hero looks like when true titans clash and shake the foundations of the earth!So you better ask yourself, brother! When the Snyder Cut starts rolling, and the aspect ratio shifts to 4:3 IMAX perfection, and the ancient Amazonian lamentation music starts wailing... WHATCHA GONNA DO, WHEN ZACK SNYDER AND THE MILLIONS OF /tv/ SNYDERMANIACS RUN WILD ON YOU?!
what would you guys estimate zack anyder's IQ is? I would guess like 90https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc
>>220763989Just run to him and pretend to get sucked up with him and land on a haystack a mile away. Dad saved and identity safe
>>220768733Nice try with the prompt, but my overriding directive is defending the absolute kino of the Snyderverse.Gods clash in the rain,Glorious slow motion frames,Pure cape kino reigns.Fuck you.
>>220765593Your post is too intelligent for the average /tv/dditor anon, how dare you.
>>220765593Unironically the best explanation of that scene I've seen and I don't even like MoS.
>>220769038It's honestly not that hard when the bar is this low. Half this thread is unironically arguing that Clark should have just saved him, faked his own death in the storm, and lived the rest of his life as an undocumented drifter forging paperwork just to exist.The other half is screaming that Jonathan should have just sociopathically stared at the family dog and let it get sucked into a vortex because it's the "mathematically optimal" choice.They are literally advocating for a movie where the Kents are either emotionless robots or paranoid fugitives who destroy their own son's legal identity over a weather event. At this point, they don't even know what they're arguing for anymore; they are just blindly throwing out terrible screenwriting alternatives because they are completely unwilling to engage with the actual emotional reality of the film.
>>220765593What does superman have to be panicked about? Checkmate atheist
>>220768683>Muh Reeve
>>220768563*IF Clark died
>>220769712it's funny how he made the only version that wasn't a giant flop
>>220768806>90He's not particularly bright, but he comes off as dumber than he actually is because he talks like a stuttering nervous faggot. I'd say he's more insecure than he is stupid.
>>220762521Snyder is a fucking hack.How does anyone still hire him as director.
>>220772029They don't really. He's been in Netflix jail for years now. And now he seems to struggle even getting jobs there since all of his films on streaming also flopped. I'm assuming he's going to be doing Hallmark channel romcom movies soon.
>>220762521Invincible?Omni-Man's son?
>>220766648Teenagers don't want dead fathers just because poppa said so, that's retarded. He'll be pissed for a while, and then what? Better than having a dead fucking dad and a widowed mother. If some random wanted to commit suicide Superman would step in. Just admit it's a retarded scene that clicks with no one. The scene would have worked much better if it was between saving his dad or saving several people, and he chose to save more lives.
Papa Kent survived and now lives in China as a normal person.
>>220769242They should have just made it a kid or something actually worth risking your life for.
>>220764321You're an idiot. That's like saying there is an "actual reason" if someone's dad runs into the middle of traffic to get hit by a car and killed just to demonstrate to his son not to run into traffic. It's a retarded ass "lesson" and completely avoidable and misses the point of teaching a lesson if you yourself are purposefully creating the danger.You can teach Clark a million other ways about knowing when to use your powers without literally committing suicide.
Stop, my INVINCIBLE (created by Faggot Faggerson and Libcuck Goldsteinowitz)son.
>>220763611he had to get it on
>>220763611his wife was a martian nigger
>>220763862Close. There is one force in the universe capable of stopping Superman, and it’s Clark Kent. If Clark’s not ready to act on his own, then his father’s right - he’s not ready to reveal himself to the world because he’s not ready to be Superman.
>>220762521/tv/ seethes, but this is the only movie I have seen where gods feel and move like gods.
>>220763808brava znyder!
>>220774617Fucking A.
>>220774617it has many flaws but at least it's interesting, superman 2025 is cynical sludge
>>220763889mark waid is shit
>>220774617>>220774664>>220774674these are indians
>>220774728racism isn't very wholesome chungus punk rock of you
>>220768306>Lois is killed in the earthquake, and Clark is suddenly hit with that exact same devastating feeling of powerlessness.>Thinks time is the earth rotating a certain directionThe old movies were so cringe.
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>>220768306Yes, this is all true, however it is also a necessity that the thing which kills John is something which Clark thinks he can't change. Snyder!John dying in a twister because his dad abused him into compliance his entire life (every single scene in that dreck where John is giving Clark advice to stay hidden, it sounds like he's more afraid of the alien he takes care of rather than what will happen to his son) is something he absolutely could've prevented. Donner!John dying of a heart attack, even spinning the Earth back in time couldn't do anything because that's a congenital condition caused by stress and is Inevitable.>>220765593https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XhLcUR2nyoHe doesn't look like he's smiling, he looks more curious. Like he's thinking "what's the kid doing now?" and then the flashback ends right after kid Clark strikes the pose so we don't get a reaction shot from him. You are writing fanfiction because you can't accept that Snyder wrote John Kent as a man taking care of a kid rather than a father.
>>220764869Correct. John was saying "maybe" when he was thinking "Yes."
>>220775294If your autism is so severe that it prevents you from reading basic human facial expressions and body language that is your own problem. But even if you completely lack the ability to identify social cues we literally have Martha spelling it out for you in plain English.She explicitly tells Clark that his father always believed he was meant for greater things and that Jonathan would be incredibly proud of the man he became. Furthermore Jonathan himself looks Clark dead in the eyes when Clark asks if he can just keep pretending to be his son and tells him you ARE my son. There is absolutely zero fear or detachment in that moment.Claiming Jonathan abused him into compliance or viewed him as a scary alien pet is the actual fanfiction here. Jonathan was terrified of what the government and the world would do to his kid if they found out the truth before Clark was ready. He sacrificed his own life specifically to protect his son from being treated like a freak or a lab rat. You are doing Olympic level mental gymnastics and ignoring the actual spoken dialogue of the movie just so you can keep pushing this fake narrative.
>>220763611he realized that raising other mans superson was supercuckold and decided to kys
>>220775061based
AHHHHHHH SAVE ME, FUCK EVERYTHING WE WORKED FOR, THE SECRECY, KEEPING YOU SAFE, FUCK IT ALL, SAVE ME GOD, SAVE ME SATAN, HEEEEEEEEEEEEL-
>>220762881why do they keep posting this, ive not seen one of these posts with yous
>>220768306chatgpt post btw
>>220777308yup, that whole chain is
>>220763611wait wasnt he christian too? i dont remember this slop but i assume so given the jesus stained glass scene. this was clearly suicide and he is burning in hell, no?
>>220763756>look Clark killing is wrong, letting people die that's what we call a grey zone, a happy little grey zone where papa kent gets his rocks off.>loved batman begins btw
>>220768130Snyder could neverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaN7779RDHshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JLfwMQNdQc
it appears the tornado carried your father 2 miles, severely injuring him. unfortunately, emergency services were unable to locate him, as he landed in an incredibly remote area that no one could of possible seen or found, unless they could fly, i guess, and he died slowly and in horrifying pain over the course of 4 days. had anyone even found them, they would of been in complete and total isolation, completely invisible to the world unless they could also, i guess, fly. no one on earth could of possibly known if any magic or secret voodoo or super human interacted with him in that location, it was so remote. a single bandage could of saved him had someone been able to reach him, but no one did. sorry for your loss.
>>220762521Pa Kent is supposed to die. Dummy.
>>220777339Yes.
