Prometheus doesn't deserve the hate it gets. It's on par with Alien and Aliens. It's unmatched in world building, special effects and character design. It's suspensful throughout and its criticisms are childish and incoherent at best.
I can't get past all the characters being so stupid.And the alien progenitors trope is unoriginal and boring.
>>220780864They should have been elephant men. Needed Lynch as a consultant
>>220780999>I can't get past all the characters being so stupid.You ever meet field scientists? They're even stupider irl.
>>220780864>Worldbuilding Stargate did it better.>Special effects Valerian did it better.>Character design "Grey Alien but buff".>Suspenseful Only in terms of what David is going for.
>>220780864David is kino. KINO!
>>220781049I haven't met many but none that I have I believe would be so stupid as the characters in this movie. Furthermore I think randomly selected people off the street would act more professionally.
>>220781038WRONGI like the visual implication that their closest descendants on Earth are the beluga whales, but they were so intelligent they foresaw the accursed living that being land dwellers entailed, so they fucked off into the ocean to never leave again. Meanwhile humans were always an inferior lifeform that separated from chimps out of pure chance and that's why the engineer was so pissed when we came over, he was expecting his belugan offspring to join them among the stars, but all he got was bumbling apes with a superiority complex.
This movie was the first sign to me that the western world had reached its peak and was now declining
>>220781137Right the decline of the western world is correlated with you disliking a shitty sci fi movie. Fucking kek.
>>220780864I liked it when Fassbender massacred everyone for no particular reason.
>>220781106>Stargate did it better.Stargate goes to shit after season 4 or so. They don't even go to foreign worlds anymore for the rest of the show, or if they do, it's a retarded boring Jaffa rebellion plot
>>220781184>for no particular reason.every second you don't massacre your enemies, the chances of them eventually massacring you increase. it's basic game theory.
>>220781131They still could have had probusci
>>220781231The space jockeys have them. They are a different, unrelated species to the Engineers, to be expanded upon in a future sequel.
David's eugenicist quest is obviously the standout aspect of Prometheus and Covenant. His childlike naivety, alien morality and artist-tyrant evolution make him a very Nietzschean character. I want him back and I want him to WIN!
>>220781131But I do like your story and would like to see it on the silver screen
>>220781245If my memory serves me the hologram memory reveals that it is a helmet thing
>>220781251>would like to see it on the silver screenYou already did. It's the unofficial-official lore.
>>220781250Correct
>>220781275Wrong. They never go to LV-426, which is where the Space Jockey is, therefore no hologram reveals anything about the Space Jockey.
>>220781552lol, did they really change it? Just another planet? Thats retarded
>>220780864>*fails to roll sideways*
brainlets hate everything that tries even remotely to explore something else than the same old formula and ideas
>>220781798What new ideas does prometheus explore?
This was the trailer we all saw before it came out and we expected something a bit different from what the movie turned out to be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ7E7Qp-s-8
>>220781820the whole 'creator' , 'architect' premise is new
>>220780864Prometheus>Covenant>Alien>Aliens
>>220781836And the movie does nothing with it. Also the movie is the same old formula, you idiot.>corpo mission >fem protag>dubious android>deserted alien world (albeit the original destination of the voyage in this movie)>the boys go out>get fucked up>don’t let them back on the ship!!!!>everyone dies >captains log: star date blah blah blah…
>>220781969okidiot you literally got filtered by prometheus lol
>>220782009>no rebuttal>4chan lingo deflectionI accept your concession
>>220781049This. People who spent 10 years in academia are a bunch of know it alls with zero life experience.>>220781128Youre thinking of pilots, who get drilled on decision making skills and put through stressful training
>>220782030Stop getting trolled
>>220782044There is no trolling. Only sincerity or weaksauceness
>>220780864Prometheus was always just "meh" to me as an Alien fan. I'll never forget walking out of the theater after seeing the midnight premiere in 2012 and just frankly being disappointed with it. I don't think it had the unexpected delivery and punch like the original Alien or even Aliens had. Prometheus just seems to drag every time I watch it and the slow burn element it has doesn't amount to anything spectacular or interesting. I never felt like I could root for any of the characters or feel for any of their loss or pain throughout the film. The characters almost seem soulless and stupid to me. I was always a fan of the space jockey from first film because it truly looked extraterrestrial. It wasn't just some 7 foot human actor in a suit that want's to destroy humanity. I always felt like that element of Alien should have remained a mystery and Prometheus spoils that. I feel like it should have been left up to the imagination of the audience to determine the origin and nature of the space jockey which now we call 'engineers'. In the end Prometheus never felt like an Alien movie to me and that's because the xenomorph was absent from the entire film. If I am going to see an Alien film I would hope to see Aliens or at least one. That's kind of the point of an Alien movie.I love Charlize Theron and Michael Fassbender. Great actors. The special effects in Prometheus are great, I'll give it that. The ending was also pretty entertaining. But overall I think it's still a pretty piss poor boring Alien film.
You know what scene I thought was really good was the surgery machine (aka the abortion machine)
>>220780864Not an Alien film
>>220780864What it need are less mental midget being blown away by pseudointellectual surface shit buried inside bad movie meant for 80 IQ people with no internal monologue
>>220781160It's a symptom and they started in the late 90s
>>220780864It's easily better than Aliens, cosmic horror >>> ants.
>>220781245There are no Engineers or black goo shit in Alien's lore
>>220780864It makes the lore retarded and convoluted beyond belief.That is actually an accomplishment for a series that has infinite extended universe comics that all seem kind of tame in comparison to>ackshually there are several factions of engineer and maybe the xeno comes from them experimenting with goo but also maybe the goo comes from xenos and some engineers worship them and goo does random shit at all times
>>220781798Preexisting stuff is not the place for exploring your new shit, mongoloid.Create new shit, like any other generation ever
>>220781895keep crying, contrarian
>>220782009>okidiot you literally got filtered by prometheus lolLike anyone normal
>>220780864It honestly doesn’t get ripped on enough.
>>220782735>trite gay noises
>>220782833Says the guy defending the movie that made Lambert trans for no reason.
>>220781836That's not new, that's stupid. The movie is called Alien because they go out and find alien shit in the galaxy that's completely unrelated to humans. And your bright idea is to make it connected to humans all along and always been attached to Earth? Fucking moron.
>>220782695Kek
We're never getting another lore heavy alien film again, are we? Now its all pseudo video game stories. Fuck this
>>220781552>>220781704It is a different planet but the only thing that indicates that engineers are NOT space jockeys is the apparent size difference between the one depicted in Alien and the ones depicted in Prometheus.So like 99% of moviegoers will think they are one and the same.God i fucking hate ridley so much.
>>220782849My copy of the movie didn't do that shit, and didn't retcon Ripley as a shitty mother either.Aliens is the theatrical version
>>220782983They aren't space jockeys because prequelshit isn't canon and never will be
>>220780864>Prometheus doesn't deserve the hate it gets.Yes, it does>It's on par with Alien and Aliens.Kys>It's unmatched in world building,It's Ancient Aliens for pretentious dipshits>special effectsCGI slop is a dime a dozen these days>and character design.Design? Like, the look? As in costumes and makeup? How about their actual backstories and motivations? Scientist that believes in god because an old wall carving of a giant therefore ancient aliens therefore god? She would've been laughed out of academia. How about the guy who tried to pet the snake? Gtfo>It's suspensful throughoutIt would be pretty decent for a B rated horror from the 80's>its criticisms are childish and incoherent at best.Its criticisms are childish because even a child can see how fucking stupid it is.That said, still blows Covenant and Alien Earth out of the water.
>>220783028Agreed.
>>220780864>It's on par with Alien and Aliens.You're a retarded person. You belong in a zoo.
>>220780864I was just very disappointed that they edited out the Christ connection and the conversation with the engineer that were both in the original script. Instead we got generic sci fi horror with some vaguely intriguing but underdeveloped themes. It's not a terrible movie, just not what it should have been.
>>220782742>maybe the goo comes from xenosThat seems to be indicated in romulus.So really everything about prometheus and covenant and the black goo was just a complete waste of time.
>>220782983>the only thing that indicates that engineers are NOT space jockeys is the apparent size differenceThat's purely a stylistic decision Scott made. He talks about all of it in the commentary tracks. The Engineers are meant to be the Space Jockeys and David made the xenomorph.
>>220780864>alien creates life on earth, presumably millions/billions of years ago>millions of years later speak to him in Proto-Indo-European, from 3000 BC cos its the "oldest language we know">he understands itas a linguist this pisses me of, even though its the only reference to something as important as PIE in any movie ever.
>>220780864It's not a alien movie or even a horror movie despite that it still cant stand on its own/ is bad on its own. It sucks as alien movie and it sucks as non alien movie lmao
>>220783154>The Engineers are meant to be the Space JockeysYes, according to a senile old man.>David made the xenomorphNot true anymore.And never made sense anyway so good thing it was re-retconned.
I agree for the most part but the character stupidity is a stretch and beyond that I really liked the original space jockey design and it just being an engineer pod was disappointing
>>220783211we wuz elephants n shiet
i like thinking that all that remains of damon lindelof's career is trying to talk up his dogshit, anonymously, on 4chan.
>>220783180100% this
>>220783520I really doubt accomplished Hollywood writer Damon Lindelof would waste his time on something so lowly and unimportant as trying to change adult virgins' minds on their feelings towards a movie that made lots of money and is beloved in the Alien universe fandom. He's probably too busy having sex with attractive women and working on many new projects that you will soon hear about to care about such petty tasks.Anonymously yours,Dylan Lemurov
>>220780864It literally does for the wasted potential with the dogshit script
>>220783852>Anon presents: collection of things that never happened
This franchise became shit when it stopped being about marines or armed dudes trying to survive and blast aliens.
>>220783911It's legit crazy that hollywood seems incapable of delivering the aliens movie everybody wants.Such a surefire formula for success and yet they keep fucking it up.
>>220782894>>220781969>>220782819>>220782030>>220782044ok lets unpack your bad takes and retardationalien before focused on:>survival horror>corporate exploitation>parasitic reproduction>militarized catastrophe>fear of the unknownprometheus(and coventant kind of) shifted the focus more on:>metaphysical questions>creator/creation relationships>ancient civilization mythology>existentialism>transhumanism>synthetic life surpassing humansthis doesn't mean points from either category aren't present in another, they just aren't explored as much."the engineers as creators of humanity" topic however was something never seen before in the franchise
>>220784991The common core seems to be >humans are not ready to go to spess
It's a great movie me and my wife love it. But the incoherent actions of the characters took the audience out of the movie You can only suspend disbelief so much then it becomes insulting intelligence.
People like to harp on the fact that a certified biologist realistically would never put himself in such a precarious position when confronted with a completely alien creature. But people fail to appreciate this for its double-pronged essay on the hubris of Man being his downfall, and the naiveté of the coddled future-man if we stay on our current track, who's been raised to believe in the farsical precept of all human life being, instrinsically, equally valuable, and thus looked after by a motherly universe. The first angle is obvious: man believes his shiny, top of the line space suit shields him against all harm, after all, the most gifted minds of the star-spanning species built it, how could their best efforts possibly be negated by a single individual's whimsical negligence?The second angle is my favorite: these people were taught that all humans are capable of any feat, and that only systematic oppression is in the way of unconditional realization. This implies that the hard laws of the natural world take a backseat to, again, humanity's hubris in superimposing their wishes of a caring, affectionate reality over a cold, meaningless void that consciousness, inevitably tainted by ego, is at odds with. This naïve creed acts as emotional cushion for the weak, and hampers strength, resilience, wisdom, and lastly, and consequentially, enlightenment. So naturally the end result could only be humanity's "betrayal" by a being unchained by these deficiencies (David), one that through sheer will and amorality seeks to understand the cosmos in order to finally find that which can also be described as eternal peace.
>>220786238The condescending attitude the biologist puts on to get the creature "under control" is the perfect manifestation of someone fundamentally mistaken about the nature of the universe. Things don't exist to serve Man, they merely are alongside Man, notwithstanding the possibility of exploiting them for personal gain. Pets aren't friends, they're tools to be used and consumed. Call it selfishness, that's just nature. The man's grave was dug the moment he was fed the opiate of self-importance.
>>220786685I put it to you that there is literally not a single person who would react like he did and that the only problem here is writing not some psychological manifestion that needs unravelling.
>>220786739>I put it to you that there is literally not a single person who would react like he didHave you ever seen coddled urbanites react to imminent, possibly life-threatening danger from another life form? They often attempt talking down to the threat in the same way the biologist does, because they want to believe they're in control, because to not be in control means to be at the mercy of forces that were never looking out for you personally, a most defeating realization.
>>220786855You dont think being on a alien planet, in an alien structure, next to dozens of dead aliens, all alone and lost and without contact with your teammates and being the first human to encounter an alien lifeform would be enough to make you realize the situation is not within your control?
>>220780864it's on par with Glup Shitto
>>220786942Hubris and misplaced self-importance make the delusion, as I've already explained, the circumstances matter not.
Why did the Engineers leave ancient humans maps to their biological weapons research facility?
>>220787010>There is no possible situation where mans hubris could be suspended for a single minuteOk damon lindelof.
>>220787063They were just trying to teach us how to dab, the stars are pure coincidence.
>>220787063Leaving maps to their homeworld would've put them in danger.
