>>220795594
That would have required the last several season to be significantly different for it to make sense.

>>220795594
Almost anything would have been better than the wet fart that was shipped.
The ai videos were better.

It still baffles me that they basically tried to do the comic ending anyway. Honestly fuck whatever they do with Homelander or Noir, he's not even really the main villain of the comic anyway.
The showrunners NEEDED to keep Butcher the same level of cold bastard that he was in the comics though. Fucking that up fucked up the whole thing in my eyes.

>>220795594
The idea that black noir was secretly behind all the bad shit causing homelander to go insane when Homelander was kind of an asshole but mostly innocent of the horrendous shit would have been better yeah.

If anything sucks the most about the Boys is when the boys take V themselves at that point it's literally superhero vs superhero and I stop caring.

>>220795594
Homelander getting blackmailed would remind people of Epstein.

>>220795594
Does he beg to suck dick and eat shit in the comics?

Fucking hilarious that one eceleb video caused zoomers to hate the comics without reading them and now a bunch of tiktok edits are making zoomers say the comic is better without reading them either Granted if you read the comics the Homelander going crazy/Black Noir reveal is objectively better than the show at this point because the show is just a lazy Trump parody that will be horribly dated in 3 years, Butcher's arc is also better even if he's basically a different character in the show come season 2/3 onwards

Honestly the comic ending isn't even good either. Black noir shouldn't even exist.

>>220795736
At the very least you have the give the comics credit because all of the major twists are clearly planned out and built up from the very beginning.
The show had no clue what they were doing at all.

>>220795728
No, he was more of a frat boy with super power and not as unhinged as in the show. Black Noir impersonates him and frames him with shit like eating a baby and gaslights him into thinking he's going insane all because Black Noir wants Homelander to go insane so Noir can get permission to kill him.

>>220795728
Nah,
he goes down swinging. Reducing Black Noir to a bleeding hump of meat close to death, while getting torn to shreds himself.

I don’t know why people were thinking they might do this twist, it wouldn’t make any fucking sense with the show. Homelander knows everything he did

>>220795775
Yeah, Homelander really only starts to do the Kills innocent people for no reason thing near the end of his life

>>220795594
It was meant to be worse than the comic, like all jewish bought media. They acquire the rights to erase history/culture and replace it with something much worse to take its place. It's like their god given mission or something. To ruin anything.

They also totally ignored the BUSH DID 9/11 aspects from the comic too. Big gay, fucking cowards.

>>220796010
They also just completely omitted the commentary on the military industrial complex cheapening out on their weapons and consequently costing lives

>>220796035
Re-reading the comics right now and it's amazing that they took a pretty neat commentary on both Superhero comics as well as the ties between business, government, and media... and Kripke decided to discard almost all of that so he can take his twitter feed and vomit it onto a screen.

>>220796010
>>220796035
And the fact the Black Noir reveal is an analogy for the CIA and the black ops aspect of the US army, while Homelander is an analogy for the public face of the US army.

>>220796088
“Neat” it’s commie slop garbage.

>>220795951
and homelander can see through his mask

>>220795594
A YouTube video essayist basically ruined the comics for most viewers. No one wants to associated with that slop

>>220795664
>It still baffles me that they basically tried to do the comic ending anyway. Honestly fuck whatever they do with Homelander or Noir, he's not even really the main villain of the comic anyway.
>The showrunners NEEDED to keep Butcher the same level of cold bastard that he was in the comics though. Fucking that up fucked up the whole thing in my eyes.
The fact that they didn't do the butcher backstory as a limited series is pathetic. It was better than anything else in the whole comic run.

>>220796121
Dont know how the X-ray vision in the show works, but in the comics its shown as literal X-ray.
He would mostly just see a skeleton.

>>220795697
It's still funny that they tried to go a different angle from the comics, where the Boys are all V'd up from the start with a more stable variety that's basically just strength and durability, but then backtracked on that and went "what if we gave them wacky crazy random powers instead?" and it's infinitely worse.

>>220795594
That faggot starlight deserved it instead of homelander

>>220796150
>It's still funny that they tried to go a different angle from the comics, where the Boys are all V'd up from the start with a more stable variety that's basically just strength and durability, but then backtracked on that and went "what if we gave them wacky crazy random powers instead?" and it's infinitely worse.
Well the reason the comics version is "boring" is that the boys need to do their jobs which is mainly blackmailing, assassination and spying. The show version basically threw out the whole black ops operation entirely.

>>220796133
It really is sad. Butcher is pretty much the golden goose of what makes the comics good. It really speaks volumes to how poorly the writers fucked him up that Homelander somehow became the new posterboy.

>>220796148
there’s a scene where homelander tells him he can see his face iirc

>>220795594
Yes. Anything is better than what comes from TDS.

>>220795594
Oumlanda's master plan being him taking over the white house is honestly fucking hilarious

Can someone tell me how the comic ends? The thing about the show ending that pissed me off is Hughie getting to live on as "the hero" despite being a total faggot for the last entire like, 2 seasons and Butcher pussying out at the end and dying even though he was right.

>>220795594
I don’t understand why they needed Hughie at all if the rest of the team hated Butcher anyway. MM would’ve for sure went to Vought & killed Butcher too if he knew.

>>220795697
The showrunner claimed he ditched the clone idea because he wanted the villain to be the guy people thought it was from the start (in this case, the white man supe), because as you put it, the comics basically end up showing that homelander wasn't really that bad, just another spoiled asshat at most but still playing by the rules
In any case, the "depowering beam" was a cheap and lazy plot-device, in the comics homelander was bested by a retard that was just a bit stronger than him, and that was unironically better than having a magic insta win beam that could work even with a guy that was genetically engineered since before being born

>>220796187
We always forget that characters can lie.

>>220796267
Hughie still killed butcher but it was actually baited by butcher himself to do so, and he wasn't really a huge fag during the whole story so it was ok

>>220796187
I recall Maeve getting pissy with homelander because him and noir would switch out with each other while plowing her.

>>220796314
the sheer amount of times Hughie (in the show) was like
>UHH NOO WE CANT DO THIS THING BECAUSE IT OFFENDS MY SENSIBILITIES
in the last few seasons was fucking insane it's like you fucking retarded bitch how is it that you still don't understand the assignment? They would have failed so many times over if they had listened to his stupid whining ass. he was literally just there to nay-say every single fucking plan.

>>220796267
>black noir is homelanders clone, whose sole purpose in life is to kill homelander if homelander goes crazy
>black noir went crazy first since his lifes mission is to kill homelander
>gaslights the piss out of homelander into thinking hes ate babies, killed children, raped
>no one knows hes homelanders clone so even the boys just think homelanders an insane person
>homelander goes off the deep end, black noir kills him
>butcher with the help of the military kill black noir
>butcher is all no-nonsense hates the fuck out of supes
>decides genocide is the only answer
>he tries to get the boys disbanded for vacation while he completes the genocide via some sonic frequency that can make supes heads pop
>the boys figure this out and try to stop him
>butcher systematically kills mm, frenchie, kimiko
>hughie stops him by pathetically trying to tackle him out of a window. butcher saves him cause he feels like hes hughie's big brother or something and hughie's kind of a retard. butchers younger brother died so he feels he has to make up for it
>butcher ends up paralyzed from the fall, hughie badly hurt
>hughie finishes off butcher before the cops can grab him
>hughie becomes new leader of the boys

>>220796299
He also said cloning was “too magical.” Which is weird considering cloning exists in the real world, and you also have niggers flying around with laser beam eyes in this setting.
He should’ve just been honest and said he didn’t want to absolve the Trump stand-in of any of the blame.

>>220796267
You’d need to read the entire thing but Hughie is much more a factor in the story & especially the ending. He kills A-Train who’s for the most part the comic book version of The Deep after Butcher instigates it. Then later Butcher reveals his full plan was killing all Supes including his squad & kills all the other members of the Boys & Hughie is the one who stops & kills him which is what Butcher wanted all along

>>220795594
If anything The Goys proved that deviating from the source material is a fool's errand. Very happy to see everyone who called the show better than the comic suck dick and eat shit

>>220795594
No, the comics sucked ass as well, just for different reasons

>>220796360
>which is what Butcher wanted all along
but why

>>220796367
such as

>>220795728
no but he does do gay shit like have sex with soldier boy just to prove he is an alpha malke

killing all supes isn't genocide. they're not a "race" or "religion" of people they're just normal ass people who were injected with chemicals.

>>220796267
Homelander goes crazy, kills a bunch of people including the president. Butcher goes to confront him. Homelander tells him he has zero recollection of most of the awful shit he's done and thinks he's gone insane. Black noir comes in, it turns out he's a clone whose whole purpose in life is to kill homelander if he goes rogue, so he recorded himself doing all sorts of deranged shit to gaslight homelander into actually going crazy so he can fulfill his life's goal. Homelander and noir fight, noir wins but gets basically turned into a nugget, so butcher crowbars him to death. Then butcher starts his plan to kill everyone on earth with a drop of V in their bloodstream (in the comics there's hundreds of thousands of non-supe people who happen to have V in their bodies because of vought bullshit like toxic waste dumping and social experiments). Butcher kills all the boys except hughie, then hughie kills him before he can carry out the genocide. After all the shitstorm supes are forever barred from having anything to do with national defense. Hughie asks stillwell what vought's gonna do now and he just says "something else".

>>220796355
That reminds me, there's an early arc in the comic where Butcher and Hughie are investigating the suspected murder of a gay guy (it's tied to the in-universe version of Nightwing) and Hughie tries to call Butcher out on saying slurs like "fag" or whatever in casual conversation, but Butcher turns it right back on him and calls him out on his hypocrisy because he saw Hughie tense up and act uncomfortable the second they were talking to an actual gay in person.
I'm guessing the show never bothers to do anything like this and just portrays him as being the heckin' good boy in the right every time.

>>220795594
The whole show would have been better if they followed the comics but you will never get a good adaptation from Hollywood ever again.

>>220796374
Comic Butcher knew he would never stop until all Supes were eradicated. He enlisted Hughie knowing he was the one with the most heart who wouldn’t let Butcher go through with it even if that meant he’d kill him. Even then though, hughie almost doesn’t do it until Butcher lies & says he killed Hughie’s parents.

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>>220795594
Goddamn American comic art is so autistic and cringe. Not unlike pic related. I look at the OP and laugh, pic related is actually terrifying

>>220796434
>I'm guessing the show never bothers to do anything like this and just portrays him as being the heckin' good boy in the right every time.
they did bring it up like one time that he felt good killing Translucent but that was pretty early on in the show. by the time it gets to the end he is just nonsensical. like even Kimiko and Starlight were okay with dying for the cause and he's still chimping out about the basic premise that supes are dangerous and shouldn't exist as a concept.

>>220796452
>Comic Butcher knew he would never stop until all Supes were eradicated.
yeah but I don't understand why that's bad. or why he would think that's bad.

>>220796427
>in the comics there's hundreds of thousands of non-supe people who happen to have V in their bodies because of vought bullshit like toxic waste dumping and social experiments
OHHHHH Okay now it makes much more sense

>>220795594
No. The retarded clone twist is even dumber than anything from the show.

>>220796489
It’s not so black & white in the comic, plenty of supes are actually good people, or at least not doing anything that repugnant with their powers besides fucking each other maybe. The show only has like 3-5 decent supes max the entire time whereas the comic shows you much more of the world & the different kinds of supes who actually are inoffensive.

>>220796489
NTA but I guess I'm misremembering it. I thought it was because Butcher was secretly suicidal and essentially did a suicide by cop thing.

>>220796312
I don’t think he was

>>220795594
Literally anything would have been better.

>>220796489
Essentially by the end of the comic Butcher's lucid enough to realize that what first started out as him getting revenge for his wife has turned into a crusade, and it's not what she would have wanted for him (there's a whole side story mini-arc about their past where she basically brings him back from his self-destructive tendencies and helps him become an unironic Better Man(tm)), but he also knows he won't be able to stop himself from going through with it.
Worth mentioning that the characters in the comics are the second iteration of the Boys, and that Hughie was brought in to replace Mallory, who partly kept Butcher from going off the leash until the team broke up.

>>220796562
ok that sounds reasonable. in the show they make it seem like the situation is fucking dire because they killed Homelander but Vought is gonna go right back to doing their thing and make a new one. so I really bought into the idea that spreading the virus and just ridding the world of all of them was the right thing to do.

>>220795736
Not surprising. Zoomers can’t read and don’t have attention spans.

>>220796530
How anyone can assert this after actually watching season 5 I can only ascribe to being paid by Amazon themselves. The show retroactively makes the Black Noir twist look like Chef-d'œuvre

>>220796581
It would be weird if he wasnt lying.
Because otherwise he would see his own face looking back at him every time he sees Noir and the entire twist wouldnt work.

>>220796530
>comic homelander
Homelander is gaslit into thinking he's a psychopath and eventually becomes one, but is still conflicted in his actions throughout the storyline
>show homelander
He wants to take over the White House and be worshiped for... reasons! Never mind that he's already in-universe Superman and everyone already loves him, he wants to be president now! HE'S TRUMP DO YOU GET IT?

>>220796530
The clone twist is actually foreshadowed well in hindsight, that's the point.

>>220795771
>At the very least you have the give the comics credit because all of the major twists are clearly planned out and built up from the very beginning.
How do they get around Homelander not at least being curious about what noir looks like under his mask? I mean, even if it's lined with lead to prevent him from peeking with xray vision, I think that'd have just made Homelander even more suspicious.

>>220796489
>yeah but I don't understand why that's bad. or why he would think that's bad.
In the comic not all supes are bad, even if the decent ones can be counted with your fingers
Butcher plan included killing even those innocent and of course, even Hughie too since all the boys had V in their veins

>>220796628
not in the show, which is my whole point

was there literally anyone who didn't figure out that "Kessler" wasn't real the moment he was introduced? what a pathetic attempt at "twist." I don't have the screenwriting knowledge to understand why it didn't work but holy shit did it not work.

>>220795594
lmao no the comics are fucking terrible, the show just found a way to be terrible in a new way

>>220796600
Vought tried, or at least Stillwell (who’s basically Edgar from the show) did. He makes a new superhero team after all the bullshit with the White House takeover. He gets a little into the presentation of the team & knows it sucks & won’t make them a profit & ends up crying his eyes out in the meeting. One of the better parts of the ending.

>>220796650
in the comic homelander's x-ray vision just shows bones and stuff, like an actual x-ray.

The one thing the show had over the comics was that it stuck to the 'normal guys trying to take out supers' concept for longer. Predictably, the moment the show started throwing the compound around willy nilly like in the comics it divebombed in quality

>>220796685
So he's just cool not knowing Noir's face at all? Gonna be honest, it seems like a plothole.

>>220796652
>Super Duper, although multiple members are also actually mentally infirm as well
>Tek Knight
>The Deep
>The newer child recruits from the G-Men
>Love Sausage
>Silver Kincaid
>Starlight
>Maeve
There were a lot of good or at least innocent supes

>>220796355
Hughie in the comics was only off put by killing and some of the illegal stuff done by the boys, but outside that, he was actually good in the team and not a worthless fag

>>220795594
At least for HL and that twist, sure, at least the fight wouldnt have been over hyped

>>220796659
I thought we were talking about the comic.
In the show it doesnt matter if he can see him or not because he's a different guy/guys

>>220796727
i mean, the story is riddled with a bunch of inconsistencies but I don't find it hard to buy that homelander wouldn't give a shit what noir looks like. he's not an obsessive control freak like in the TV show, he's just a hedonist.

>>220796732
I’m still pissed they never adapted the G-Men arc

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>>220796010
>BUSH DID 9/11 aspects from the comic too. Big gay, fucking cowards.

>>220796737
in the show towards the end he literally has lines like
>GUYS ITS OVER. LETS GIVE UP
I was like
what the hell am I watching?

>>220796741
No no, I was saying how stupid it was that people thought even for a second the show would do the twist because it would make no sense at all kek

Guaranteed a variation of the comic twist was at least considered at some point (Kripke lies all the time), lotta shapeshifters running around in the TV boys universe

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>>220795594
>homelander still doesn't go on a massive rampage, dies off-screen, and was never the real villain to begin with
Besides the white house siege it's a just a different flavor of cringe

>>220796405
A chemocide then.
He was gonna kill a large group of people based on having a drop of V in them

Supergod and Irredeemable mog the shit out of the comic. The Boys is just puerile 'my edgy supers are cooler and stronger than these lame iconic supers', no better and no worse than the show

>>220796791
In the comics, Homelander actually downs a plane during Herogasm and kills all its passengers with the crash
He also kills a family because he couldn't care less

>>220796754
That plot is just way too dark for TV, even 90’s HBO wouldn’t have ever touched the G-Men without heavily censoring or changing it which would completely take the bite out of most of it. Especially the ending where literal abused children just get killed because they were a liability

>>220796732
>Tek Knight
They really did him wrong in the show

>>220796791
>Show homelander probably killed less people in his life than Butcher

>>220796834
90’s HBO was the network for the spawn series & that one had Kincaid who’s a psychopathic child killer & molestor

>>220796842
Who did they do right?

>>220796834
>Especially the ending where literal abused children just get killed because they were a liability
Just like Showlander?

>>220796864
good point

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>Insanely durable supe
>Tanks a mini gun while flying
>Dies to being choked out by a cord by the deep

they had, at best, 3 seasons worth of story that they tried to stretch and expand into an entire streaming franchise

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>>220795594
I would have kept the clone, but I would have changed it so the impetus would be Butcher learning about the cloning then bribing Black Noir to ruin Homelander's reputation.

>>220796921
The Deep is actually really strong.
Disregarding the whole talking to fish thing hes one of the strongest supes by raw stats.
The knife went in the wrong spot tho

>>220796867
Yes and no. The G-Men recruits are children who hadn’t harmed anyone & barely at the point in youth to understand much. One of the girls even says she doesn’t like what Godolkin does to her. And they’re all still stuffed in a container that gets dropped in the sea or something. Extremely bleak ending.

>>220796949
He's also stronger in water, but get jobbed by a giant squid.

>>220795594
I don't mind Butcher humiliating Homelander, I just wish there was a big budget fight instead of the same fight we've seen 5 or 6 times

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Of course it would have been better. But for tv it would have been too short, and over with inside of 3 seasons at most. They have to plan for the idea that if something become a hit in tv-land the options have to be there to drag it out endlessly until it become bland paste (eg., The Simpsons).

This is why all shows feel the same, following a particular formula. TV writing has become its own non-descript thing these days. Add into that mix things like Trump Derangement Syndrome and DEI/Wokism and pretty much all TV becomes the same unholy mess eventually. Any prior interesting features or engagement with the original medias' fans are purely window dressing to appease their fears, before they turn the IP into mush, as tv demands.

>>220796964
Also one of the g-kids is a boy in a cat costume named Cat 'a Mite. No version of HBO would touch that lmao

>>220796976
Yeah that was stupid.
I think its supposed to be him getting raped by the octopus tho. Since they mention at one point that the asshole is a weakness because their insides dont have enhanced durability.
Yes obviously thats only an excuse to kill men via rape, but I think thats what they were going for.

When you shit up a finale like this, it ruins any revenue they'd get from repeat streaming or new viewers. No one's gonna go back and watch the entire series again knowing how it ends, and they can just rewatch any finally remembered scenes on YouTube. Ava a lot of new subscribers aren't going to bother investing their time in a show they've repeatedly heard ends like a wet fart. I wonder how many people rewatch or bother to watch GoT?

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Private Angel is gonna be overtly racist but end up being exposed as fucking a black man

and

Torpedo is going to be a stereotypical closeted Navy parody that doesn't come close to Venture Bros shore leave.

>>220797087
>Cat 'a Mite.
I dont get it.
Is it supposed to be like Dynamite?
Is his power exploding?

>>220796358
The virus (or strain of compound V, tailored by Vogelbaum to kill supes) was also in the comics, but considering that at this point everyone was more or less exposed to it, including normal humans, the chances were that humanity will become extinct.
Butcher wanted to take that risk, that's why he killed Vogelbaum, Mallory, the crew except Hughie and couple others that might have stopped him.

>>220797125
you have to be 18 to post here

>>220797107
the actress is from florida so she'll have some real world experience for the role then

>>220796732
Maeve and the Deep werent good. Maeve was selfish and evil but just broken beyond repair and didnt give a fuck about anything anymore. Deep was just stacking the money and trying to keep his head down, but he still participated in the disgusting herogasm shit and the supe coup

Haven't read the comic, or seen the TV show past series three (could see where things were going).

If you're worried that your superman is going to go rogue and you won't be able to control him, what kind of sense does making a stronger, less mentally stable clone make? That seems like an obviously bad idea.

>>220797125
"catamite" (a historical term for a boy kept for sexual purposes)

>>220797165
its kinda like how The Boys TV series wanted to pit Homelander and Soldier Boy against one another except killing your "evil clone" is easier to trick someone into doing than killing their son.

The dick joke style superhero names don't make much sense in the comics or the show. You're a big corporation, trying to sell a product (superheroes), with a family friendly multimedia empire built around it, and you're gonna name one of your heroes fucking Dogknott?

>>220797173
Oh thats disgusting.

did anyone else notice in this show any time there's a character that's an older man, 90% of their lines are talking about who they fucked back in the day? like I get it if it's one guy but it's like 3 characters that basically feel like the same character because they all do that. could they really not think of any other shit for them to say?

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>>220796791
>Homelander dies off-screen

This has always been a bit of a meme
You see the beginning of Black Noir fucking him up with a single punch blowing off his jaw, then Butcher bails while Homelander's (and maybe Noir?) lazers go off and Butcher then orders the army to open fire.

Noir runs out onto the WH lawn like a horror monster with what's left of Homelander's body in one hand.
Not much elaborated on he was probably already dead as Butcher bailed out the window.

>>220796964
Bro why did you have to remind me of that. Most fucked up moment of the comic.

>>220797158
You’re either misremembering Deep for someone else or didn’t read it.
>Herogasm
I don’t even remember what he did there. Participated in an orgy maybe? Thats debauched certainly, not worthy of death or calling him outright evil
>He was at the supe coup
No he wasn’t, he fucks off before Homelander & the Supes overran the White House. He’s on the new supe team stillwell puts together afterward.

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>>220797185
You gotta take that one up with satirical master Garth Ennis.

>>220797185
the guy named mother’s milk has nothing to do with titty milk and the main villain is obsessed with it and they only make one joke about it

>>220797246
Ok maybe i am misremembering. I just assume everyone who went to the herogasm was a pedo or pedo enabler.

>>220796732
>>220797246
>>220797158
The Deep was killed due to breaking Ocean law and thus guilty of all crimes committed to the Ocean. Every fisherman in existence has basically gotten a free pass on this due to the language barrier, but The Deep's deep connection to their society while participating in direct communication with them made him able to be tried in a court of his peers.

If the Boys killed him you could say the death penalty wasn't deserved for his crimes, but it was the Ocean, and he broke ocean law.

>>220797264
Yeah, but he's not a superhero Vought is trying to market to the public.

>>220797267
And the fact that its shown that the hookers who fuck supes for money basicall die or become crippled and have to take V to cope with the pain, which fucks them up even worse. Kind of evil to engage in that kind of shit.

>>220797182
Right... but wasn't the plan in this case that the 'evil clone' wins?
And then aren't you back to square one? What happens if the clone, who has successfully killed Homelander-turned-evil, were to turn evil himself in the future? Do you make another clone? In that case, there can be no secret to clone 1 as to the purpose of clone 2- doesn't that create an even more dangerous situation? What if they talk about it, decide they don't like being dicked around and decide to team up?

>>220797279
Thats all show bullshit, the Deep in the comic is a completely different character. Hes black even.

was Oh Father in the comic? I enjoyed him and his Dragonborn superpower.

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Ennis won
Kripke lost

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>>220797325
He was in fact a major character in the final arc of the comic
And bizarrely his entire characterization was "he fucks kids lol"

>>220797318
Superheroes in the comic version aren't all-powerful world destroyers, most of them can be taken down with enough standard military weaponry. But yeah, the clone plan is a pretty dumb contingency when you think about it for more than a few seconds.

I know a ton of chuds who thought oh father was the best part of the new season and while they vehemently deny it I'm certain it's because they want to punish his sin pit

>>220797280
yeah but it makes no fucking sense to name a character mother’s milk for no reason when homelander is a tit milk addict. The scene where he licks his lips talking about his name is the only time it even makes a bit of sense

>>220797318
The comics never revealed the 3rd homelander and 2nd backup that was black noirs failsafe who would've been implemented to the team in the scenario of Homelanders demise

>>220797428
>>220797401
>>220797318
Deploying Black Noir worked perfectly because it ended with one of them 100% dead and the other one 99% dead

>>220797407
>I know a ton of chuds who thought oh father was the best part of the new season
I'll need to see some evidence of this, this sounds like a lie, no one liked that nothing character

>>220797448
They just got lucky in the order

>>220797389
that checks out

>>220797318
Black Noir in the comics was built specifically with one purpose in mind; to kill Homelander. It's literally his only goal in life and it's why he eventually snaps, everything he does is to facilitate Vought giving him the go-ahead to kill Homelander. After that, he doesn't give a shit because he's literally lived up to his whole life's purpose.
>but what if he DID go crazy and start doing even worse things
It's well established in the comics that Vought are not a very clever company (Stillwell notwithstanding) and that they almost certainly did not think that far ahead.

>>220797493
Noir was always going to win, Vought went out of their way to make him superior to Homelander.

>>220797650
True, but even he could still be taken down with enough firepower, which makes you think why did they even bother? That's what I was getting at. The clone contingency wasn't even really necessary, unless they were just going for speed of the kill.

>>220795594
dumb show

>>220796489
It's mentioned that enough Compound V got into the food supply that a significant portion of the global population has some amount of it in their system (I forget the numbers, I think it was in the 40-60% range) but they don't actually result in superpowers. The problem is that Butcher's plan would have caused death in anyone with V in their system, meaning he would have killed around half the world's population in order to eradicate all trace of superpowered people

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>>220797701
I read the comic, they gameplan this shit pretty far.
The worst case scenario for Homelander is to just drop a nuke on him. It would work, but it would cause several million civilian casualties because he doesn't tend to hang out in the middle of the Gobi desert.
The artillery works on Noir, but note that it takes a fuckload of artillery, prepositioned, while has already EXTREMELY wounded, and in the end it didn't even fully kill him

Butcher did have the entire insurrection in checkmate - he didn't know about Noir, but Homelander's forces were going to fail because the A-10s were loaded with depleted uranium, the F-16s were retrofitted with Compound V-seeking missiles, and everyone was forewarned and prepared to counterattack.
This was Butcher's actual great achievement, things might have gone quite worse if he hadn't made a handful of very important phone calls to people that believed or trusted him enough to get in position.

Butcher's initial intent is to get one good smack of the crowbar on Homelander, cut his scalp or face, die, and hope that Homelander realizing the rest of the uprising failed will blunder outside right into the artillery battery.

But it's all disastrous if Homelander takes off and opens up with the laser vision/super speed. The only way they avoid the nuclear option then is if the F-16s have enough firepower to knock him down so the artillery can zero on him. I'm not sure that they do, he might be able to just shake off a Sidewinder like a BB gun.

>>220797894
I wonder why they left that out of the show. At least in my mind, it would have totally changed how I felt about the ending

>>220797701
It's more that he's always at Homelander's side, ready to kill him at a moment's notice. Taking down Noir even after he's almost dead from fighting Homelander takes a full platoon of marines and tanks firing depleted uranium rounds and dumping everything they have on him, and even that isn't enough to put him in the ground by itself. If he suddenly snaps and goes rogue, you can't bring that sort of force to bear on a whim to stop him.
It's like trying to kill Superman, you can't just shoot him and hope for the best, doubly so since there's no kryptonite or anything that can weaken Homelander like that.

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>>220795594
Yeah. Even if the comic wasn't excellent

How do they foreshadow the clone thing in the comic? Seems like an asspull.

>>220797325
He's overall better in the show than his comic version granted that's also probably down to A) The Actor is really good and charismatic B) The show didn't really have enough time to ruin him

I do prefer his death in the comic though where it's revealed that the military can kill supes pretty easily and it causes him and the other supes to start shitting their pants and trying to flee

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>>220798647
It is a bit of an asspull but there's a few key things that are there very early on that make it look like a payoff

>Noir is the only member of the Seven who never gets any focus at all and he's way tougher than he's supposed to be (such as surviving the same 9/11 crash that killed Mister Marathon)
>Homelander receives photographs of himself eating babies and raping people's skulls and he literally can't remember himself doing it even though he can remember the numerous other crimes he committed, i.e. that's not him in the photographs
>out of the very many reasons Maeve hates everybody at Vought, Homelander once tricked her into fucking Noir while she was blindfolded - and he comments that it was easy to get away with because Noir's got the same build as him, his dick even looks just like his

>>220795594
No, the Homelander clone twist fucking sucks.

>>220798810
I wonder what Butcher knew about Noir. Because he obviously doesn't know the big secret but at one point he describes the four most powerful supes in the world as Homelander, Maeve, Noir and Stormfront.

>>220798810
>Noir's got the same build as him, his dick even looks just like his
This part always felt weak to me in the comics. Barring someone like Jack From Jupiter the supes were all built fairly big. I guess all the herogasm shit gave him an idea of how other dude's cocks look to know that Noir's has a similar looking one.

>>220795664
>t still baffles me that they basically tried to do the comic ending anyway.

Its the perfect example of Rogen and Kripke being absolute retards that didn't understand the book. The show falls apart because they changed so much but they always wanted to arrive at the same ending point. They wanted Homelander and Billy in the Whitehouse then Huey and Billy on the Empire State building. They didn't understand that you can't just change everything about the characters and events leading up to it and hope it works the same way.

>>220796358
>butcher saves him cause he feels like hes hughie's big brother or something and hughie's kind of a retard. butchers younger brother died so he feels he has to make up for it

To clarify Huey is very similar to Butchers younger brother that died. Based on how you want to read it Butcher and Hueys relationship adds a lot to the entire story. His brother stopped him doing something horrible at one point and Billy loves him for being such a kind person. But by the time the story starts Billy also knows someone like his brother is too soft and weak to ever get the satisfaction of revenge.

>>220796652
Something i like early in the series is that while not all Supes are bad a lot are just kind of indifferent to how their actions impact normal humans. But they view what they are doing as more important and the company insulates and protects them in such a way theres no accountability. Its more like how people are flawed and turning them into these massive celebrity products with such great power and no training just causes this shit to happen.

A-train running into Huey's girlfriend isn't evil or malice its him not being able to stop because someone traveling at that speed can't stop on dime and she was just in the way. Nothings going to happen to A-train the company protects him from that and covers things up. A-train thinks whatever he was doing is more important and this is just an unfortunate accident he's been taught not to care about.

There's the Nightwing parody who Vought made the gay icon super hero who does community outreach for the gay community. But the actual person who is the hero isn't gay. He killed 1 person accidently because a gay fan he knew from these gay outreach things confessed he was in love with the hero. The guy panicked and pushed him away which knocked him out of the building. Hes not evil for his actions it was an accident and he didn't mean to kill him. .

>>220795594
people who read the comic all agree the ending in the comics is way worse, so i doubt it

>>220797318
>Do you make another clone? In that case, there can be no secret to clone 1 as to the purpose of clone 2- doesn't that create an even more dangerous situation? What if they talk about it, decide they don't like being dicked around and decide to team up?

My assumption was always that if Noir had to kill Homelander Vought would just have Noir wear the costume and be the new Homelander. With Vought then putting a new guy in the Noir costume to make it look like nothing changed with the seven. Part of the comic is how shortsighted, evil and shitty Vought are. Vought always have a shitty product. In ww2 they built jets. They put the fueltank under the jets cockpit resulting in ruptured fuel tanks just exploding and setting pilots on fire. Its built that way because it was a shoddy job and the workaround they needed to get these crappy planes working and sold to the Air Force. Homelander is the Plane and Noir is the fuel tank. Its the best solution they could work out that didn't involve scrapping all their work and starting over, Which would have resulted in them losing money and pushing back when they would be able to get those big Government defense contracts for supes.

Its very much the mentality of put it out there and we will work it all out when if it comes to that point.

>>220795697
Especially since even in the show Homelander barely hurt anyone.

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Anybody else find it amusing how Kripke and the writers fundamentally altered the Boys and Homelander so much, that bizarrely Homelander has killed way more supes than Butcher and the boys ever did throughout the show?

They claimed they didn’t give the boys their powers like the comics did because it would “force them to act strategically and intelligently instead of just brawling” or some shit, but all that happened instead was seeing starlight and Kimiko do all the fighting (even Maeve eventually lmao). I suspect the low budget was probably a bigger real reason they didn’t do it

Bizarrely they kept to certain aspects from the comic like “butcher is the true final villain” but frankly, he never does anything nearly as remotely villainous in the show as he regularly did in the comic.

Also disliked how they decided A Train, the nigga who murdered his girlfriend and laughed about accidentally killing hughies girlfriend and swallowing her molar as he ran through her, deserved a redemption add because he’s black. That’s pretty much it.

Seeing butcher manipulate Hughie into killing A Train here just shows how he sees the boys as tools to manipulate to aid his mission, not actually friends

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>>220795594
oh god the whinging wouldve been so much more excessive

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>>220795594
I think they may have started with that idea but then Anthony Starr had to go and portray Homelander in a way so despicable and well acted that it would be a genuine waste to not have him be the major villain
Starr is down here in the trenches acting with people that genuinely just do one fucking face over and over again every scene

>>220795594
Yes

>>220799887
...noir and lander have the same face dude
He could've played both characters

>>220799937
They wouldnt be the same character though. Homelander would be significantly less interesting if his mental decline wasn't entirely due to his own decisions but rather some secret twist villain with essentially no buildup at all. plus, it wouldnt make sense, because show homelander has never once been concerned about his own sanity so a whole plot bit about "ohhh did I eat the baby or did i not eat the baby" wouldnt work because he was going to kill a baby for sucking on his groomers tits

>>220795594
Deep should've survived and become the founding member of whatever the new team is. The whole storyline with Noir, the pipeline and fish was retarded. Him losing a fight to Annie when he was one of the most powerful supes and she was weak AF (got starched by loud negro) but she got the win was retarded.

Didn't care about Homelander, but the whole oval office suck dick Trump hate was also retarded. Having him depowered and locked back up in his room he was raised in and getting experimented on by Vought would've been better. Kripke's sexual fantasies couldn't be denied though.

>>220799999
>"Deep shouldve survived"
You genuinely don't get it dude, he died the second Homelander rejected him to his face, he had nothing, forsook everything for the approval of a man that hated him and saw him as a fucking clown.
Could Deep have survived a fight with the fish if he was in his right mind? probably, but he wasn't, he died and then he died again.

>>220799937
He's saying they're too different characters to make that work.

Comic Homelander is just kind of an amoral dumbass who feels like everything is pointless, but has no grand ambitions beyond basic fratbro stuff like getting his dick sucked. At least until he's driven crazy by being too stupid to realize that the media he's being sent of himself doing crazy shit isn't actually of himself doing it.

Show Homelander is a lot smarter but also insane and immoral with ambitions of grandeur right from the get-go. Having him be drioven insane by a clone doesn't make a lot of sense, first because he's not dumb enough to fall for it, and second because he's already insane.

>>220796106
Does Red River even show up in the show?

>>220796468
Holy shit, two nukes were not enough.

>>220800036
Yeah, it was another shitty Trump analogy/parody we could've done without. At this point who doesn't know he turned on his supporters to MIGA and grift off Polymarket bets and shitcoins. The Deep being the last man standing, total idiot, still doesn't understand anything but fuck it, I'm the man now is kino. Dying to fish (who he can command) is retarded. Also the whole "fish don't talk, he's a schitzo like Noir" yeah, also lame.

>>220800321
He can't command fish, He can talk to them. He is their boss, not their overlord, thats why losing their trust was such a big deal

Well they made Homelander way worse than he was in the comic. Yeah he's a fucking bad superhero but most of the REALLY bad stuff he did was his Black Noir clone. Maybe they should've done that.

>>220795612
this

>>220800377
His powers are listed as commanding them. He made an eel kill itself by going up someone's butthole (Thanks for more ass fetish Kripke you fag). Fish can't talk, they're not smart enough. Maybe a Dolphin would have some simple words. Deep was just Schitzophreic or delusions. V seems to do that quite a lot (Noir's cartoons, Homelander god complex/multi personality, Butcher and Negan.

>>220799971
>no build up at all

Outed yourself as just not having read the comic, yet having strong opinions on its plot that you don’t even know

Black Noir beinf a homelander clone is built up and given hints to throughout the entire story

Same with homelander not being the evil twisted monster who raped butchers wife and killed her with a supe fetus, not any of the other stuff black noir did.

The fact homelander didn’t remember doing any of these terrible things he was sent pictures of himself doing didn’t tip you off? Or that he was genuinely disturbed and disgusted whenever he did try and liven up to the monstrous image he built up of himself in his head?

Specifically with noir they even heavily hint about him early on, with the botched 9/11 save, where nobody rewlly knows how he survived the massive fall. Well of course he survived, he is a hkmelqnder clone and can thus fly

Likewise, given they establish Vought made homelander, he’s essentially invincible and even nukes can’t hurt him. WHAT reason would they have to NOT create a clone to exist to be able to counter and kill homelander if need be, if he ever decides to rebel and go nuts (which, given he’s fucking immortal and will live forever seems more like a question of how many decades rather than never)

>>220800377
>He can talk to them
He commanded a Whale beach itself as a blockade. That shit is complete control because why would a whale do that? Plus the world of the sealife in the show is completely fucked. They just casually make the WHOLE OCEAN AND SEA LIFE a hivemind that understands english.

The real villain of the story was the Ozempic and plastic surgery done to Starlight. Made me angry every time I saw her. Went from a sex fantasy to an uncanny valley cringe abomination.

>>220795594
The real problem was the 6 episode V1/virus built up that lead nowhere.

>>220795594
The problem is this would've been instantly spoiled, so the plot twist would've never got off the ground in the show.

>>220795723
The herogasm files and the company being "transparent" was a very blink and you'll miss it subtle very very intelligent jab at the Epstein files. So no you're le drumpf Epstein reference would have them cancelled! Shtick doesn't work.

they needed to have some sort of twist, even if it wasn't the noir thing. the finale played like they wrote the most obvious first draft and then gave up

>>220800531
>WHAT reason would they have to NOT create a clone to exist to be able to counter and kill homelander if need be, if he ever decides to rebel and go nuts
Someone in this thread already explained why this is retarded. But something else retarded about this. If they can just brainwash you with life goals, why not just brainwash Homelander to not rebel? If they're not confident in their brainwashing for Homelander why even make Noir? What's stopping HIM from rebeling? This whole thing is retarded.

>>220799856
There is literally an entire arc in the comics where Butcher helps gay teens from being targeted by capes

>>220800736
Clearly the conditioning makes anyone who goes through it crazy.

>>220800736
I always assumed that Noir was defective, it would make sense in a Bizarro/Superman sorta way

>>220800579
thinking about the deep's power is an endless rabbit hole
if you start out with he can talk with any sea life, then there's really no scope on it. what even constitutes what he can talk to, it just arbitrarily stops at sea creatures? he can talk to fish, mammals, crustaceans, cephalopods, probably something else i forgot. so, if it's not specific, surely he can just talk to any animal?
then ignoring what he can talk to and then you think about how he talks to them, why do they all bend to his will and why does everything want to fuck him? he is shown to be having deep rational conversations with animals but simultaneously he can make them do irrational things like with that whale?
then even ignoring him talking to them completely, the sea creatures were then shown to be acting completely independent of the deep's powers and forming some weird hivemind.
basically, none of it makes any sense. it would have made some sense if the deep had a twist where he was a schizo and didn't actually talk to anything and it was all in his head. like if his power was mind control and the gills were a coincidence.

>>220795736
>one eceleb video caused
>>220796128
>A YouTube video essayist
What are you talking about? It seems that I get slightly different feeds. Please be more clear with your shilling, I can't find the stuff you're promoting

>>220798647
Starlight literally says "my god you must have been replaced with evil clones!" When the seven blowbangs her.

>>220800916
god that was so hot

>>220800736
Because they didn’t invent the conditioning until after they succeeded in making homelander. And you can only really condition a person this way when raised from birth for this specific purpose.

So when homelander is like 23 and joins the seven they can’t exactly try to condition him then

Regardless their conditioning wasn’t perfect anyway. They conditioned Noir to be a redundancy plan to take out homelander if he broke bad, but because this was his sole purpose as a being he eventually went mad because he wasn’t allowed to fulfill it. Hence him doing the loophole of committing atrocities and tricking homelander into thinking he was doing them and blacking out and that somebody knows.

>>220795594
I mean the people bitching now would have bitched just as much for that ending too. The problem is that there's a not-insignificant number of people who think that Homelander isn't evil and thus should be the victorious hero.
Ironically a lot of these people are brown.

>>220795594
Is poo better than shit??????

It's shown really early that Supes can be killed through internal penetration but do ANY female supes get killed this way? They have a far more easily penetrated hole yet it's always things going up men's arseholes that couldn't even get up a normal human's (like an Octopus tentacle)

>>220799856
comic Hughie is so much better, I like how he starts out as a conspiracy weirdo and not some milquetoast nerd

>>220801048
Show Hughie was such a millennial feminized wimp. Homelander just lasering him open would've been some subverted expectations I could've got behind.

>>220795771
Lmaoooooo most intelligent comic book reader

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>>220795594
no, it was perfect because it made more people realize how retarded the whole thing was and the people who push agendas like this are panicking because they realize they can't hide their shit writing behind a shield of bullshit leftist messaging anymore

>>220795594
The finale would have been better or Homolander went nuts and started to mass slaughter everyone and then butcher kills him

>>220795594
Yes
But the real secret is not involving Seth Rogan

This series is Ow the Edge

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>>220795723
Which is funny because in the comics, the Professor Xavier parody is basically Epstein.

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>>220800900
They're talking about the YouTuber PointlessHub, who claimed he read the comics and thought the show was better.

>>220802254
it really isn't

>>220795594
Someone drew this.
Then it passed through several layers of quality control and was sold to adult human beings with , allegedly, functioning brains..

Idk why you guys are complaining about the Trump dating the tv show.

The original comics were mostly anti-Bush and date it to that period.

>>220802269
>Guy who kidnaps children to turn them into supes, while also molesting them

Sounds pretty Epstein to me.

>>220802293
oh yes, right, forgot about all those supes epstein made. silly me

Garth Ennis is the ultimate epitome of safe edgy.

Dude who will use graphic violence, uncensored racial slurs, and put disgusting things in his comic; but its ultimately in service of his boring liberalism.

>>220802301
The molesting is very similar.

>>220802320
it's not. different ways of operating. you're grasping at straws here. you can't just pick random names from the news and say it's the same. kripke did the same with homelander = trump. no wonder this fucking show lasted so long if this was his audience

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>>220799475
>if Noir had to kill Homelander Vought would just have Noir wear the costume and be the new Homelander
That wouldn't have even worked because Noir was an autistic retard who was designed to kill Homelander as his entire raison d'être. Then again, it's just another reason why Vought are fucking stupid.
Same as when they first brought over Vogelbaum from Germany after the war, and he had the kid that would grow up to be Stormfront with him. Vogelbaum basically told them to put the kid down like a rabid dog because he was a dyed in the wool member of the Hitler Youth, but Vought saw dollar signs and slapped him in a superhero costume instead.

>>220802359
I always thought Black Noir in the comic was so weird and strange because he went insane waiting to kill Homelander. Which is why he decided to try and trick Homelander into believing that he was doing the atrocities he did.

>>220799748
>They claimed they didn’t give the boys their powers like the comics did because it would “force them to act strategically and intelligently instead of just brawling”
It's even funnier because the comic still has them doing all the espionage and spy shit constantly, even Butcher says that they only fight when they already know they're going to win. Most of the time they're doing ground work and investigating or wiretapping shit, and then the show never has them do that either so they just sit around on their asses going "oi that fukken' 'omelandah ey fuck that cunt"

>>220802382
worst was when they set hughie up as the tech guy and frenchie as the weapons guy (since he was the tech guy in the comics) and then just ignored all that and then had to make boring relationship drama to give them something to do for 4 seasons

>>220800736
Homelander was the prototype, and when he was born he was a flying, screaming fetus cutting up the doctors trying to deliver him with laser vision. Vought got one look at that shit and went "fuck we need a backup plan."
When they made Noir and the rest of the Seven, they made sure to tweak them a bit.

>>220797211
on closer inspection it looks like bomelander's first beam severed his arm. neat.

>>220802377
Could well be. You very rarely see him talk throughout the entire comic, even in the call transcript with Homelander he's like "okay I'm going to assume that heavy breathing means you're down to fuck Maeve."
Presumably Vought's comic division gave him more of a character (since he's mentioned as being one of the big three with Homelander and Maeve) but in the Seven's actual appearances he took a back seat.

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>>220795728
No. Homelander went out in a blaze of glory. Butcher wasn't a pathetic cuck and wasn't bossed by women too. Quite the opposite, this is how he treats a woman.

>>220802425
I stopped watching the show past season 2 but even then it just felt like they should rename the show "The Seven" because 90% of it was about their stories and then they'd do an obligatory
>let's check in on the Boys to see what lame shit they're stuck doing in the meantime
Hell, I don't even remember Frenchie or M.M. having anything to do at all in those first two seasons.

>>220802548
Was Rayner even in the show past S1? All I remember is they show Vought trying to get supes in the military and then it's just dropped like an episode later, presumably so they could fit more gay sex jokes and writer cameos.

>>220795594
No, they needed to destroy Homelander, in universe and as a symbol for the extreme right snowflakes.
It was brilliant seeing them seeth and get emotional. Love. It.

>>220801157
true, in the end what beloved characters did the main villain even kill?

>>220802616
Oumlandah killed Frenchie, the beloved former IDF soldier who kidnapped a Palestinian girl IRL.

>>220798647
On top of what the others said, Noir finds The Boys at Herogasm and doesn't tell anyone else they were there

>>220795594
At least black noir would have a reason to exist then.

>>220802566
iirc that one chick unceremoniously popped her head and she was never mentioned again.

>>220795594
They wouldn't have the budget to do it.

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Ennis is a troll with top bantz.

>>220795594
No. Next thread.

>>220795594
It was kind of the same, the scope was just smaller.

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Yes.

>>220795664
>It still baffles me that they basically tried to do the comic ending anyway
they tried but literally couldn't because they barely expanded the universe as much as the comic, if they had butcher go on a rampage what other supes could he even try to kill that isn't the Gen-V cast

>>220795697
I legit think they were planning to do this until season 4 where the Trumperino permanently brain broke Eric Kripke

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The comic would have been improved with better art.

>>220805560
yes but also the ugly art fits the edginess and the story isn't good enough to deserve great art

>>220796679
>ends up crying his eyes out in the meeting.
Lies. He just whispers "bad product..." and bows his head when he finally is alone. Which is the only time he shows any emotion in the whole comic. The whole point was he was the most powerful and devious individual in the series and he wasn't superpowered, just a corporate creature with no scruples. The Boys message was supposed to be corporations are the true cartoon villains and superpowers are nothing compared to business acumen.

>>220797701
Comic Noir was retarded and also couldn't fly but was also stronger. As long as he was close to Homelander when Order 66 came through, he would win. But also without the smarts and the speed, he wouldn't be a potential global threat if he got out of control. It was actually a pretty good plan. Noir was a combo of Bizarro and Batman.

>>220795664
I watched like one episode of the show but butcher seemed very uncharismatic. In the comic he's extremely likeable, and since he's a psychopath he uses it to push peoples buttons and be generally manipulative.

>>220805560
better coloring at least, shit looks like sloppy ass deviantart

>>220796727
Noir is basically background noise to homelander, he's just always around, says nothing, occasionally goes along with what homelander does, he doesn't really think about him. And they're supes, they're always in costume, it's not that weird that noir doesn't break his faceless gimmick.

>>220796522
MM's mother is a giant jabba the hutt blob with tentacle titties because she was exposed to V

>>220795594
I hate AI but I'm seeing better endings even with that trash
>Homelander was pretending to lose to check out the world's reaction. Once he checked out how fake everyone is he destroys everything
>Homelander as a depowered wagefag

>>220795723
The problem is that Homelander is unironically the lesser dangerous guy sexually speaking
He just has a mommy fetish
>In before Becca
Bad writing.

>>220802597
Ok kripke

>>220802597
>Snowflakes
>Kike has a trauma with fucking trump despite all trump is doing is babysitting them
>Israel only exists because MUH NAZIS

>>220797318
Stillwell mentions that they could just nuke homelander but obviously dropping a nuke, especially as a private corporation, is a really big pain in the ass even if you ignore collateral damage, so they developed black noir as an assassin instead. So on the off site that Noir went insane, they could just nuke him. He never really broke his orders by the way, he just circumnavigated them through clever use of game mechanics (presumably Vought forgot to tell him to not eat civilian babies), he only killed homelander once homelander went rogue.

>>220797920
The supe-seeking missiles were not standard military technology but were developed by vogelbaum, the guy who invented V who butcher pretended to kill so he could keep him working for him.

>>220797102
>insides dont have enhanced durability.
If that were true for the Deep then he wouldn't die if he swims into the greater depths of the ocean. A hard shell wouldn't protect against pressure after all but apparently the cunt was able of going into the fucking Marianna trench.

Can someone explain to me what the retard clone's big plan was, what motivated him? I haven't read the comics and I don't think I will

>>220807876
He's craaazy.

>>220807876
He was born and conditioned to have literally no higher goal in life than killing homelander in case he went rogue and they had him always hanging around as part of the same team. He couldn't take it anymore and tried gaslighting homelander into becoming a murderer so he would be able to kill him. The clone probably was an insane sadistic psychopath to begin with, but being murderedged for his entire life helped push him along.

>>220807876
To do what he was told to do, obviously.

>>220807929
>>220807943
Makes sense, thanks.

>>220798979
Reminds me of when Snyder tried to lift the Batman vs Superman fight from The Dark Knight, but fucked it up because he didn't realize the two characters needed an actual history between the two of them for it to have any meaning or weight

>>220808072
MARTHA isn't enough?

>>220800736
Noir can't even speak normally, he's absolutely fucked in the head from either genetics or the conditioning or both. If they had to sell noir-ified homelander to the public they would have instantly failed, it would have been like the mr frog episode of smiling friends as noir hits a woman in the head with a hammer at a gala or something.

>>220802667
he shoves his thumb up hughies ass

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>>220808166
>Good soldier!

>>220807490
I would go one step farther. Black Noir doesn't have a bunch of drama, doesn't fucking bitch and moan, and mostly does what he's told. Honelander probably loves that guy (to the extent he is capable)

>>220808533
yeah, they said in the comic that homelander sort of grows to like noir. Everyone else in the 7 is a cunt so even human wallpaper like noir is an improvement.

>>220805002
Pretty sure they said in interviews back in season 1 they weren't doing that twist, also black noir was canonically confirmed black in season 2

Ryan should of been the one to kill Homelander then Butcher

>>220798810
>>220798647
also noir survived a fall that would kill the 99.99% of supes

>>220796299
>the "depowering beam" was a cheap and lazy plot-device
I cannot forgive this shit, reliable recreating antisupe weapon when you have random ass mutations
plus moment Highlander wants to fly away and is caught by Butcher tentacle; guy was fast as A-train flying and A-train was shown as basically disapearing using speed power
would be better if made similar that Marvel guy Quasar iirc fight, with some debuff powers instead depowering, with help of V-gens and Boys severely beaten
instead we got intimate view into Kripke brain rent free

It's not like it could have been worse

>>220808533
>>220808600
Noir also deals with the most twisted villains that nobody else wants to arch. That might have contributed both to his mental decline and also his ambition to take out Homelander by any means so he could end this pathetic existence he was forced to endure.

>>220796724
>The one thing the show had over the comics was that it stuck to the 'normal guys trying to take out supers' concept for longer. Predictably, the moment the show started throwing the compound around willy nilly like in the comics it divebombed in quality
The concept was never "normal guys trying to take out supers" retard. It was Black Ops spies try to hold the product of a multinational conglomerate in check while the conglomerate tries to introduce their "superhero product" into international peacekeeping. Good god are you dumb.

>>220812097
lol comicstans are the type to accept back a cheating woman

>>220797650
Then why didn’t they just use super obedient super noir as homelander from the start? What was their plan if noir went rouge?

>>220798810
Not to mention the numerous shapeshifters

Damn. About time people realized how fucking trash the show is, I dropped it at S2, I guess it took it ending badly for people to wake up.

Last few years everyone here and on normie socials parroted that the comic was edgy trash and that the show was miles better.
The comic IS edgy as fuck but it criticizes a lot of shit that an Amazon show would not and has overall better characters and plot.

>>220799475
Just like the show and the comic

>>220807839
That’s such hokum, might as well have just had an anti superhero ray

>>220812328
Lmao they were vd up from the start stupid, they were constantly getting into fights and the rest was just ennus trauma dumping about superhero’s

>>220812575
The comics criticisms are old hat at this point

>>220795594
Probably, would have been more interesting than the Trump Derangement Syndrome series we got instead

>>220812661
eh, the homing is just half the package and the other half is a normal missile, but yeah it feels strange. it feels like it could just have been replaced with "yeah supes can't really dodge this class of normal missile we carry in inventory" but I suspect it was included to foreshadow vogelbaum

HNHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HNHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>220796133
do you know that you can respond to someone without greentexting his entire fucking post
fucking faggot ass fag

>>220813252
>do you know that you can respond to someone without greentexting his entire fucking post
>fucking faggot ass fag
autistic fucktard detected

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>>220795594
Did the show include this