>>220798947
Working in software is extremely depressing every single day anon

>>220798947
Nowadays, construction probably pays better too

>>220798947
The original ending suggested that no matter what job you do is shit because at the building site he had a supervisor just like Lumbergh. They changed it because I guess they didn't want to disillusion wagies too much.

>>220799067
The jobs I'm applying for as a new grad are 80-140k a year what the fuck are you talking about

>>220799078
Are you actually making those numbers though? No? Then shut the fuck up idiot nigger.

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>>220799091
I graduated last week

>>220799078
>applying
lul

>>220799119
I mean yeah it's a rough job market for entry level applicants. That doesn't mean software pays less than construction.

>anon makes blanket statements about an ending of a movie while ignoring why the movie perfectly explains why that character would be happy in that situation while his coworkers continued on as software "engineers".
Many such cases.

>>220798947
The point was finding a job you enjoy or at least don't hate, not "bro just work construction."

>>220799078
>>220799109
No offense but you won't be getting anything close to that as a straight up graduate, those pay lebels are when you've had a few years of experience.
t. was a grad and started at 65k before moving up to 120k five years later

>>220799078
>he thinks those are real jobs

lmao. good luck dude.

>>220799147
I'm literally applying to anything that I'm qualified for and that's the average salary range. The lowest I see is 70ish. Highest is 150k+

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>>220799078
>he thinks he'll make those wages straight after graduating

>>220798947
I worked construction adjacent for years. The best part was no women yapping about you about "a case of the Mondays." I'd rather make 30% less money and not hate every single day of going to work. Do you work to live or live to work?
Did you totally and completely miss the entire movie? Of course you did, you're a stupid jeet.

>>220799164
and what have you been paid this week?

>>220799169
CS is still one of the highest paying majors out there. High underemployment but it pays.

>>220799164
Being qualified is very different to being experienced. They may want you to be qualified in those things, but they mainly want you to be experienced in it.
I mean this with absolutely no offense intended, but you're unfortunately a bit naive about what you can get and that is pretty typical of new grades, we've all been there.

>>220798947
All jobs now are either exterior roofing sales exterior solar sales or bottom bin car dealerships. I think I gotta take the 2010 graduation date off of my resume.

>>220799180
I literally just graduated dude. I don't know what you're trying to imply. That it's impossible to find a software job?

>>220799078
>The jobs I'm applying for
Will be filled by Indians fresh off the boat who are from the same village as the Indian manager already at the company. The ads are just to fulfill legal obligations.

>>220799078
>applying for
Lmk when you get those "jobs", lil buddy.

>>220799078
Fuckin a guys, cut the little graduate some slack.
Hey dude, check out channel 9! The breast exam is on!

>>220799185
You know jobs post the years of experience they want on their postings right?

>>220799204
>every job ad is honest
Bro...

>>220799196
What do you work in anon?

>>220799208
Anon I genuinely don't know what point you're trying to make. That the entry level job market is bad? We all know that. Doesn't mean salaries are low. Two separate things.

>>220799078
Thank God my boomer dad set me up for life. All these dumbass zoomers complaining about boomers must have had some retarded ass parents. If boomers had it so fucking easy then wouldn't they have a lot to pass down? lol

>>220799218
The point being if you are as smart as you think you are you could have made something of yourself working as an electrician and starting your own little business instead of competing with pajeets and dealing with HR for the same money.

>>220799192
>That it's impossible to find a software job?

If you're in that field you already know "software jobs" won't exist within a couple of years.
Large companies are shedding jobs in that field nonstop.
Despite what you might think the current policies are about and who's in charge, there is a reason why immigration has dropped to near zero and everyone in the know is complicit.
It's because in a couple of years half the jobs in the US are going to get wiped out. They're trying to prep people for that and take care of their own first. Nobody really anticipated that the AI thing will develop so fast and just like any other tech it will continue to improve, rendering most of office busywork meaningless.

>>220799230
They had it easy but most of them squandered it

>>220798947
>Are we really pretending working construction is better than working in software?

Its more satisfying, pay is probably worse.

>>220799236
>If you're in that field you already know "software jobs" won't exist within a couple of years.
Two more weeks

>>220798947
>Are we really pretending working construction is better than working in software?
No, movie's message is that you should quit your job and retrain. This way the people who have been training from a young age can far surpass you and get a competitive advantage

>>220799252
You underestimate the satisfaction of solving programming problems.

>>220799236
>Large companies are shedding jobs in that field nonstop.
NTA but that's every industry right now and the goal is to short term pump their stock to excite investors. The stock market is fucking retarded these days.

>>220798947
Anyone who has ever worked a day in the trade knows this is an absolute fantasy. Construction is probably worse for peer backbiting and ladder climbing, incompetent middle management NPCs, working overtime and weekends expected, tedious monotony, etc.

>>220798947
this is one of this gen X ethos movies that millennials with burgeoning film taste and terminally online grew up to see, along with other anti-normie "anti-establishment" Hollywood films like American Beauty, Fight Club, etc. that would instill the same generation sense of malaise endemic to Gen X into young barely teenaged millennials. Shows like Mission Hill as well. Gen Y were very much "victims" of Gen X "drop out" mentality.

>>220799276
not brown so I can't relate

>>220799265
You underestimate the satisfaction of solving practical problems that electricians plumbers and hvac deal with every day. You will never step away from your computer and have other people admire the workmanship you produced.

>>220799316
didn't read your post, Rajesh

>>220799316
>You will never step away from your computer and have other people admire the workmanship you produced.
"Thanks for unclogging my toilet Bob, I can finally take a fat shit instead of the little rabbit ones I've been doing. Ugh no, I don't want to shake your hand, thanks."

Can we all just agree that jobs were invented by the matriarchy to keep men servile and tired?

>>220799322
I'm a tradesman in England which is full of white men and nothing else.

>>220799340
Uh, oh! Browny melty!

>>220799316
Nobody outside of a specialty cares about the trade. Nobody outside of CS cares about optimizing big O time or improving memory cache hits. Nobody who's not an electrician appreciates quality electrical work. They just like when things work.

>>220799334
Imagine being so ignorant about plumbing systems. Nigger, you make a computer that slightly more quickly steals someones personal data, if that's fun, it's because you're a psychopath.

>>220799340
>>220799353
Sorry, I'm drunk and just shitposting. I'll log off now.

>>220799361
Yeah optimizing programs is fun lol what do you want me to say

>>220799368
I'd say you have a really weird definition of fun, but most psychopaths do. So I guess I'd say nothing and listen, which is what I'll do now.

>>220799354
>They just like when things work.
This. You never hear about when things work perfectly, but you sure as fuck hear about if it doesn't.

>>220799381
You're a psychopath if you like programming? That's a new one.

>>220799366
You're just going to log onto your sock puppet 4chan account.

>>220799354
Pretty much this.
>>220799078
I'm a GC and I pay our lowest retard workers about 75k / year gross. They don't even have a high school diploma but are decent at their respective trades. The good ones get 100k. Good luck.

>>220799354
I slightly disagree with this as a computer addict. I'm used to enshittification so I expect everything to be pretty crappy, yet still kind of work. I'm not impressed with 99% of what "works." But every once in a while something jumps out at me as really impressive in its simplicity, it's beautiful combination of form and function.
You all will laugh and call me a shill, but the CIA's mobile site, when I first visited it on a shitty android device, was SHOCKING in how well it worked. It worked BEYOND well. It was slick, expertly crafted, it was absolutely perfect in ways I didn't know websites could be. Most of you wankoff keyboard jockeys are a JOKE compared to the guys who work for The Company.
That is all.
This was many years ago now, so I'm sure enshittification has engulfed the CIAs mobile site by now. But for one beautiful day it blew me away.

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>>220798947
Are we pretending he wasnt fucking hypnotized the whole time? wtf do you keep making this thread

>>220799453
>webp.jpg

>>220799453
That's what makes it so great. It was just supposed to be a quickie hypnosis session so he would pay his whore of a girlfriend more money to spend on her boyfriend. To remain cucked but happily cucked. But he stayed hypnotized and just became a hero for so many people.

>>220798947
Initech was doing Y2K compliance in 1999. If the events of the film didnt happen the company was doomed anyway.

>>220799394
I think you're a psychopath if programming computers is "fun" to you, yes. That is my stance.

>>220799464
And? Webp converter since this shit fuck cant handle them

>>220799078
You’ll be replaced by AI within 5 years.

>>220799517
Just like how compilers replaced programmers

I took a couple CS free courses online from MIT and Berkeley. I learned as much as I needed to learn to know that feeding endless instructions to a retarded idiot child known as a "computer" was not for me. That's what programming is. It's having to deal with a very very stupid person every single day, and any tiny mistake in instructions you give to that fucking idiot could crash a plane or cause a missile to go off. We should absolutely burn all computers, but we won't, because we're retarded too.

>>220798947
Depends on who you are and how hard you want to exert your body. Are you comfortable with a job that you just sit there for 8 hours a day? Fine, that's all good. However Tech is much more competitive. Some laborers make pretty good money. The. They get promoted over the years and are basically just standing around all day but at least generally traveling to multiple locations and actually interacting with their co-workers as opposed to some guy just saying "Ya get that thing I sent ya?" and that's basically the entirety of the conversation.

>>220799479
It's one of my pointless companies of its type that exist, I was even working at one for a while. I thought Office Space look pretty comfy but the job started to wear on me after a year and after being there 3 years I was desperately trying to get out.

>>220799582
>Some laborers make pretty good money
By that you mean six figures probably. Some tech workers make upwards of a million a year.

>>220799354
Based, construction is a shitty ripoff business, walls in America are built from cardboard, trades are cut and run bullshit. People “die” rather than face consequences, lots of bullshit.

>>220799649
Don't quote me, but I'm sure quite a lot of construction types have ended up owning construction businesses which make them the same amount of money.

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>>220799649
>implying

>>220798947
Land surveyors make $90,000 a year
Licensed land surveyors $120,000
Registered land surveyors make almost $200,000
Become a land surveyor it doesn't break your back. If you have a brain you can get a high rank position eventually.

>>220799078
When I graduated 10 years ago everyone was doing month long unpaid internships for a $45,000 job lmao

>>220799913
You can make that at 25 in tech

>>220799921
0% chance that's CS
Or you went to a rinky dink school that taught you nothing

I'm not seeing any robots taking away constructions jobs yet.

>>220799922
Not anymore.
There was a brief period where boomers were clueless about IT and were throwing money at it but that's not the case anymore. Now you'll be lucky if you even get a make-do job if you manage to pass HR.

>>220799184
Make sure you don't work an unpaid internship for a few months then not get hired. Literal slavery.
>>220799922
>can
Yes you can also make that at 25 in construction. Good luck.

>>220799942
Yes anymore.

>>220799932
bro you're going to be tearing tickets at the movie theater in 6 months. There will be software on your computer that tracks keyboard strokes and how often you move your mouse. Enjoy.

>>220799943
Literally who is making 200k at 25 in construction lol
90k sure, but fresh college grads in tech often clear 120k

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>>220799953
So it wasn't CS
Thanks for confirming
>There will be software on your computer that tracks keyboard strokes and how often you move your mouse.
Picrel

>>220799961
In my county entry level would be $80,000, mid level over 100k and licensed would be up to $180,000

>>220799975
That's actually only a little lower than tech. US news and world report says the national average is 46k a year for construction workers, so I don't know what you're talking about
https://careers.usnews.com/best-jobs/construction-worker/salary

>>220799973
You will use the computers the internship provides you. I knew people in cs, finance, accounting, marketing. Most of them got shafted. I made 6 figures making cabinets as a teenager.

>>220799987
Exception that proves the rule.

>>220799986
You keep saying construction workers when I clearly stated Land Surveying. You're not going to go far if you're actually a dullard incapable of reading or following instructions. Good luck.

>>220799078
>new graduate
Unless you have a portfolio that shows you got 5 years of experience (not counting school) you wont be getting any job
A senior dev with AI tools counts as 10 of you
If you do get hired it will be for pennies

>tfw 10 year software career has led me to work 15 minutes a day at most with AI
Feels good man

>>220800002
You need a degree for that though lol so why is it any better than tech?

>>220800020
What are you doing frontend lol?

>>220800022
>but you need a degree to make $200,000 a year
yes, no shit. but you don't need one to start as an entry level field crew member making 70-80k. Not trying to convince you to do it just saying that for a person like Peter Gibbons it would be very easy to get a high level construction job that is enjoyable and high paying.

>>220800047
Backend, frontend, infrastructure, design, pretty much everything since we are a small team
we used to be a company with around 40 employees, now we are only 3 devs and the CEO lol
I do admit that webdev is the lowest tier in software, but in my defense i also develop mobile apps

>>220800070
Weird because AI is absolute garbage at the lower-level C/C++ projects I've put it on.

For some reason Hollywood love perpetuating this idea that people with white collar jobs sit in their offices and do nothing all day, to the point where normgroids now believe and parrot it too.

>>220800085
You need to use paid AI models such as claude amd you cant just say "build X, make no mistakes"
Its better to first make a plan and then execute it, you must be as detailed as you can be on what you want (both product and tech spec) and also review every AI pass
This is why a senior dev is still needed

>>220800131
But who will be a senior dev in the future if they don't hire any juniors?
>make a plan first
So just know everything you want it to write first. Great. AI totally replaced programmers guys.

>>220800120
The reality is they sit at a desk and bust their ass all day with 0 exercise and become fat as shit and then get laid off because they're not busting their ass hard enough.

>>220798947
>Anons who leech off their parents are still baffled somebody finds more joy in life doing a type of work he prefers instead of one her doesn't.
I don't even care if threads like this are a joke or not, I'm fucking tired of bungholes leeching off their family, friends and society.

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>>220799078
Lol.

>>220800158
I'm on welfare.

>>220800141
>who is going to be the senior typewriter service guy??

Nobody, that's who.

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>>220800171
>all years of experience

>>220800177
Are you even the same anon?

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>>220800194
>additional pay
>you have to program and make commissions on sales

>>220799078
Once you get the job, tell us your take-home after student loans, hormones and bad dragons.
If you don't get the job, we'll be here for you, or rather, you'll be here forever.
>>220799973
>my company cannot put my productivity under a microscope because I use linux
Are you old enough to be on this website?

>>220800208
No? Devs aren't salesmen.

>>220800141
AI replaced juniors, i have had juniors under my supervision in the past and working with AI feels like having a junior slave that works 50 times faster

>But who will be a senior dev in the future
The juniors that gained experience on their own, thats why i told that new graduate he needs a portfolio to prove his experience. Unlike other fields in software developer you dont need capital to start producing something

>So just know everything you want it to write first
Not everything, just guidelines on what you want done. My prompts never take more than a couple of minutes to write. Imagine telling an electrician "i need a four way switch for these lights", someone without experience might need explanation on how to achieve that but the AI doesnt

>>220800229
Maybe it's just different for lower-level stuff (my wheelhouse). Most of that work is in thinking, not coding.

>>220799998
>>220799973
>no boss I ain't using your pc cuz it tracks me I got my own linux machine
>ummm no. You're going to be using this computer. (make a note not to hire this guy after his 6 month internship)

>>220800227
What's additional pay? Welfare for HRT?

>>220800255
Bonuses based on performance?

>>220800271
Is it? You sound unsure.

>>220798947
the kind of shit only some detached hollywood nowork millionaire can come up with

>>220800229
Juniors were never profitable

>>220800248
If you do give it another go, try Cursor and run in in plan mode to create a plan, you can correct any mistakes before it even starts coding and you can also create a rules file so it doesnt make the same mistakes. That way it cam "learn" how to work better and align more with what you want

>>220800304
>>220800248
Forgot to mention, usually you are the one doing the most thinking, you must treat the AI like a code monkey

>>220800304
>>220800319
My friends use Claude and Codex. I do plan on working with them, I just didn't in college (intentionally). I'm very glad I didn't, I've spoken to peers who vibe coded their way through college and now have shitty fundamentals.

>>220799050
The movie character had almost zero ambition in his social life. The difference is earnings, which gives you more opportunities to do interesting things with your life outside of work. Meanwhile, the construction worker will be worn out by the time he's 55.

>>220799147
>t. was a grad and started at 65k before moving up to 120k five years later
I know the US standard of living, but that is still pretty decent as starter's pay, and 5 years is like nothing at all.

>>220799078
You'll make like 65k starting unless you live in a HCOL area and it'll be like 75k because newgrads are beyond cooked and desperate. AI is coming for everyone's job, no one is safe unironically. A literal rad tech is making more out of their 2 year program and all they do is be fat, sit around and gossip making shit up about each other and take like 20 x-rays a day and act like they broke their back doing it. RN out of a ADN program make 120k out of their 2 year program in a HCOL and quickly approach 150k/year+, but they actually work 3 hours of the 8. Lots of lazy girl jobs in Nursing though. Programmers will unironically be code monkeys and slave away while the actually talented programmers ironically don't work hard at all and just review the shitty code from shitty programmers.

>>220800398
>shitty programmers
Ironically will go extinct because of AI.

>>220800293
Juniors turn into Seniors
HR, janitors, executives, advertising, shareholders and CEOs aren't profitable
See how easy it is to say that?

>>220800194
It takes 5 years to become a journeyman, dipshit. How many years of school does it take to become a software engineer?

>>220800409
this is also true, for the next few years it will still be a thing though

>>220800458
4.

>>220799078
>applying
Yeah, tell us your income once you actually have a job

>>220800458
Four if you're optimistic, six if realistic.

>>220798947
Construction is hard work -- especially during winter. But I would choose it over an office environment every time. I'm a teacher now, but I still miss working on a building site. The jokes and accidents were the best. I was once wiring properties on a new housing estate. A guy I was paired with jumped out of a bedroom window opening (the frames weren't installed yet) believing we were still on the ground floor. The mad bastard just leapt out like a cartoon and plummeted onto a pile of bricks. I was crying laughing for the rest of the day. The same guy got his wispy hair caught in a drill leaving him with a bloody bald patch. I laughed at that, too. Now, I work with women, who are as funny as standing on broken glass.

>>220800319
>I just didn't in college (intentionally)
This is the right approach, relying on AI without understanding the code output, or even the why its done in a certain way, is a terrible idea (even for someone with 10 years of experience like me, i never commit something i dont understand). You can still use it to ask questions
our CEO likes to vibe code apps and its always awful, i remember one time asking him a very simple question about the code and he admitted he knew nothing about it

>>220800747
>women, who are as funny as standing on broken glass.
no shit

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>>220798947
>this ain't so bad huh? high-risk, low pay, low status, low comfort, knees hurt, back hurts, browns everywhere?
>man, can't believe i used to have to put up with air condition, clean clothes, middle class educated whites and ready access to food and water

>>220800859
>middle class educated whites
Which kind?

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>>220799230
>If boomers had it so fucking easy then wouldn't they have a lot to pass down?

Construction is fine when you're young (Pre late 20s). I did it as a job during my late teen early 20s and I still feel nostalgic looking back on those days when I would work on different sites around the city. I'm 29 and I know I would've been broken down by now if I didn't make the switch to white collared work

>>220799255
It's happening right now. At this very moment, someone is having a talk eith HR because they are being replaced with AI.

>>220800859
>me with the moneybags

>>220800928
>CASHNADO
based boomers

>>220799078
kek

>>220799078
>applying for
lmao

>>220798947
No Indians working in construction

The dramatic irony of the ending is knowing Peter is just gonna hate this job too within a few years, I don't interpret it as a happy ending for him at all

>>220798947
stepfather is a construction worker and he always says he'd 100% prefer being in an soulless office than having a destroyed back

>>220799452
>t. webshit react artisan

>>220801868
The ironic thing is i had a bad back from sitting all day, but it improved when i got an outside job.

>>220799523
>get filtered by babby's first CS course
>mental gymnastics copium ensue
you can just say "it was not for me" instead of that retarded niggerbabble cope

>>220801890
you know very well that a bad back from bad posture and a blown back from overworking/blowing it all day are not remotely the same

>>220801912
Doesnt discredit what i said. Technically i do have minor skoliosis.

27 yo senior dev here
I am pretty comfortable with my career currently, but I always been fascinated by everything about mapping, surveying and topography. Even wrote my own toy GIS software. I can see myself in another life being into that field, or perhaps later on in my mid life crisis

>>220799078
I was making $150k/year as a railroad conductor and quit because it fucking sucked.

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>mandatory back-to-office policy
>open office environment with a lot of background noise
>no privacy and nosy co-workers who won't shut up
>head buzzing with pure exhaustion when heading home
Living the dream

I got the best (and sometimes worse) of both worlds. Spend half my day driving around the woods listening to music or making phone calls. Maybe send an email or two. Bullshit with a contractor and stomp around a jobsite taking pictures and looking at drawings for the other half. Great money, by myself most of the time. Get plenty of exercise. Best part is no brownoids or women, mostly old racist boomers who refuse to retire. Sucks when the weather is shit or I gotta work nights, but hey, better than a cubicle.

>>220798947
Construction has easier path ways to become a project manager and then you make big bucks, working in a portable office but it is extremely stressful to the point you'll become fat, bald and die from stress.

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>>220799078
>I'm applying for

>>220801982
Every kid who went to school for project management was lazy, retarded, arrogant, hated by everyone

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Blue and Pink Collar workers arguing about which one is closer is to making a million FreeMason Energy Tokens™ per annum is funny.

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>>220798947
I've had a cushy WFH job for the past couple of years and wouldn't trade it for anything. Despite working for a billion dollar corporation they can't manage projects for shit and there's literally months where I have next to nothing to do. There's been times where I've left my house the whole 'work' day and they've had no fucking idea. Plenty of others where I've just logged in and not pressed a single fucking key otherwise. They're definitely not monitoring my activity because I've been doing this for years.

Funniest thing is when I actually have work my output is good so I get positive reviews from the teams I work with despite having done nothing for like 75% of the time.

>>220802202
>despite having done nothing for like 75% of the time.
many such cases in white-collar jobs. My job is very "all or nothing" so there is a lot of downtime between the emergencies and chaos

>>220802202
>They're definitely not monitoring my activity because I've been doing this for years
Healthy management usually doesn't give a shit or have the time to monitor unless your performance starts to tank. Only then they might start looking into it, or during weird pressure from micromanaging higher ups

>>220799078
>The jobs I'm applying for
50% of the job listings on the internet are fake and they will never interview you.
They post them to show investors that their business is "growing" or "looking to expand" when they have no intention of ever hiring anyone.
Or worse, they put up the listing after they already have someone hand-selected for the role. But due to some legal requirement have to pretend to interview alternative candidates.
>>220798947
Any job where you have a lot of middle management and are detached from seeing the practical effects of your work is going to be unfulfilling. Because your work seems pointless.

Mcdonalds has 3 interviews and has space for 3 references, you cant have been in prison in the last 7 years.

>>220800398
It took 100+ replies to get a real answer. Anyone doing general contracting or general SWE is already pre-cucked from the future, you need to learn how to make stuff or fix stuff in a specific field that relies on those things. Healthcare and medtech is top tier, but so are maritime and air shipping, port infrastructure, petroleum facilities, some agribusiness, and learning anything about contracting to large buildings like a factory.

>>220802947
>Or worse, they put up the listing after they already have someone hand-selected for the role. But due to some legal requirement have to pretend to interview alternative candidates.
i've had this flat out told to me by HR women who think that's it's normal and acceptable because they've been doing it their entire adult career and never learned it was technically illegal

>>220799338
There never was and never has been a matriarchy. Skill specialization is a byproduct of agriculture allowing us to develop away from being hunter-gatherers. Agriculture and the resulting seasonal cycles of sowing, harvesting, and depending on stored food resulted in food stuff as a basis for currency. And currency allowed for exchanging equivalent units of labor.

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>>220802971
Just learn physical chemistry bro. It's probably the only thing you can study in college that will take you from peasant to ownership class in one generation.

>>220803126
I imagine that requires calculus and organic chemistry. Do you know most americans barely know college algebra? How could learning physical chemistry help you rise up in status besides working in academia? You could get an english degree in a much shorter and easier time.

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>>220803380
Because you can cook rocket fuel and enrich uranium. Do you have any idea what people pay for a good high-hypersonic propellant or a nuclear physics package? And if your missiles are better than everybody else's you can choose who to sell to and shape the outcome of wars. If you can shape the outcome of wars you can control economic zones and if you can fully control an economic zone you've surpassed Peter Thiel in terms of power. Just saying.

I have a low paying blue collar job, I'd take it any day over some excel sheet staring office potato job any day, worst parts of the day are when there's nothing to do you're just counting the minutes being bored to death

>>220799050
>depressing
Speak for yourself, nigga. I'd much rather work from home or an air conditioned office than break my back building another mall nobody needs.

t. have done both

>>220802974
It’s not illegal. They legitimize it by basically taking the guy they wants resume and copy pasting it into the job requisition. Then they can dismiss any other candidate by saying “oop, didn’t fit the requirements”.

construction and blue collar is great until your joints start going bad. Oh and people randomly die at your job. I don't think I've hear of many people dying from doing computer work.
Besides most of the people i work with are methheads, criminals and foreigners.

>>220803498
ayy

>>220798947
Construction may destroy your body, but office work destroys your body in an embarrassing way.

Ah yes, another thread where every poster makes at least 6 figures and have 8 inch dicks.

>>220798947
Its great for him personally because the office bored him and he finds he prefers construction. Office Space looks like it takes place somewhere warm so he might not even have to put up with worse weather than rain. That said, it'll get worse for him as he ages and his body breaks down and he's still expected to haul shit around

>>220799178
>Do you work to live, or live to work?
I'm a Dutch protestant. I live to work desu.

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>>220799078
>applying
then why are you wasting time talking to us?
go make your nut anon.

>>220798947
especially under hot summer sun
it's exquisite

>>220798947
I know people that left the office to work construction because they felt like sitting all day was killing them, and they're pretty happy with physical activity.

>>220799230
Love my dad.
His genuine and successful efforts to set up a legacy for his kids is just the icing on the cake if a cake was mostly icing

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Working in software is terrible. I do QA for a company, working from home, and it's just hour after hour of fixing the most rudimentary mistakes that some guy from Calcutta makes.

It's not even their faults, they get paid per competed item so they rush them out. The money's good but it wears on you. It's like being a teacher grading papers in special ed.

>>220801435
They clearly show that in the deleted scene but people hated that.

>>220804029
t. poor fag dicklet

>>220799078
I promise you that even if you did obtain that job, you will likely only have it for relatively a year. The software industry is dead, AI agents and Indians killed it.
>t. worked in software for 13 years and have only seen compensation decrease over time while layoffs increase in frequency & severity.

Enjoy it while it lasts, if you do get it. But FYI, the construction guys didn't need to invest in schooling first, probably make only slightly less, but will be making slightly less for longer than you make slightly more.

different people like different things. some people enjoy their jobs, others don't. let people enjoy and not enjoy things

>>220804029
No, 7.5 inches and only $85k
I've had desk jobs, jobs where I do nothing but machine parts all day, jobs where I have to crawl under desks, retail jobs, and machine operating jobs.
Work is only dreary if you are doing something that feels utterly pointless. Or worse, your coworkers are sabotaging you all the time. Intentionally or not.

>>220803380
>Do you know most americans barely know college algebra?
lol. Most Americans would fail a basic civics/history high school level test. OF COURSE most people don't know shit about history.

>>220803708
>I'd much rather work from home or an air conditioned office than break my back building another mall nobody needs.
>t. have done both
This seems to be the concensus among those who have done both. I've only ever delivered 'za and worked in an office. Honestly I'd rather deliver 'za in a midsize city with a simple grid street plan than monkey about in an office, if the pay were as good.

>>220799230
Most boomers are greedy as fuck and hate their children. Good of your dad to take care of his kids, but most of them either squandered it, plan to squander it, or have the "work yourself up by your bootstraps like i did! inheritance? you can pry it from my cold dead hands" mentality.

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>management pretty much forces us to take in someone for an internship
>apparently there have been over 1k resumes
>HR filters them out and give us only 5 to pick from
>zero fucking idea on how they picked them
>only 2 of them were somewhat reasonable in an interview
CS is hell nowadays, even if you're better than 95% of your peers the biggest obstacle is some female in her 20s who will throw your resume into the trash because you gave her the ick

>>220798947
>better than working in software?
it was an exciting field in the 80s-90s but that was then and this is now

>>220798947
Construction is better if you have high test and the pay is better. The problem is that the shitty office jobs pay better. Working with your hands is good. Of course in some jobs people really overdo it and ruin their bodies but if you are strong and smart you can avoid it.
If I had the option to work in an office or do construction, but the pay was the same, I'd work construction. But that also depends on where you are working. I am not working on a skyscraper.

>>220807844
>If I had the option to work in an office or do construction, but the pay was the same, I'd work construction.
I would generally prefer the job where you don't have to think critically all the time and that exhausts and stresses you mentally, if the pay is the same. Better for you mental health.

How do I into a good job? I've been a stagehand the last 10 years, I really need something better.

>>220798947
I don't care that it causes YOU emotional pain and anguish. Whatever you're suffering because of this movie, it's probably deserved. Hope you never get release.

>>220807353
Is that really the case? My boomer parents and the boomer parents of my friends never seemed like that. The only bad boomerism really was just sort of vague 'just follow what you're interested in and get a college degree and things will work themselves out' kind of bad advice.

>>220807844
Do you lift? I've always figured doing your squats and deads would go a long ways towards minimizing the physical breakdown that seems common. And how many hours a week do you work?

>>220798947
he was shoveling debris into a wheelbarrow
nice change from worrying about his TPS report

>>220799078
>applying
let us know when you get one
also what COL is in the city where you end up

I've have both office jobs and manual labor jobs.
Both are soul crushing, but manual labor is also body crushing. On top of that when you get good enough at your job you can do it on autopilot without thinking at all, so you find yourself with 8h to think about how much you hate your job.

>>220799078
"the internet says ill be making $500k out the gate!"

see you at McD bro

>>220798947
it is if you're a genuine midwit. i know tons of guys like this, mostly older in their 50s+ who MUCH prefer simple labor over desk work

>>220799078
all these (You)s for such obvious b8
sasuga

>>220798947
GenX were just retarded and assumed working at a desk was worse than the Holocaust. Just one of the many things they exaggerated.

>>220809168
Of course it was a bit different back then when it was a lot easier to get a desk job.

Even though they are poor and exploited, most construction guys look manly and get pussy, many of them have kids. Software workers are mainly dysgenic weirdos with lots of money, which they don't even use to do anything interesting, just hoarding it and later buying expensive car which doesn't look cool because there is weirdo pencil neck behind the wheel

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>>220798947
idk if it got better this year, but for the past 2 years comp sci grads had a worse employment rate than black lesbian queer gender studies grads

At the moment I like working from home
For my lunch break I get to have sex with my wife
But it still feels like an office job, never an excuse for why you're not available, lots of OT requests
But I get to be in my spare room with my a/c settings and shit in my own toilet

>>220809624
>an excuse for why you're not available
easy: just say your cat is having panic attacks and you have to soothe him with a hot cat-shower.

>>220799078
>applying to ghost jobs
Anon, I...

>>220810040
So how can you tell when a job ad is not legit? Genuinely asking.

>not cut out for tech
>can't for the life of me get a stable career going, too many layoffs

i really don't know what to do now, i've put way too much time and eggs into this basket

I am 27 and move boxes around for 20/hr after being mostly a neet for 10 years. This job didn’t require any interviews which was neat but I’ve been here for 4 months and holy shit I clearly cannot do this entry-level teenage shit forever. Right now I’m aiming for a better position in the area I’m currently working in, but then what? I just want to fade away.

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>>220810255
If you can handle the banter then just go into the trades.

>>220810307
i'm 35. i don't mind working outside, been a delivery driver in arizona for about a year, but damn i don't know if my body could keep up for long. mostly what i want is some place where i can learn a real skill and not bounce around from entry level job to entry level job my whole fucking life

>>220799109
>*graduates*
>Ah, finally time to look for jobs.

No man, the time to look for jobs was the last six months or so. It should've been lined up already. Now you graduated into unemployment.