>>220802022
>metaphysical concept
it was never this, people didn't understand their own favourite movie

>>220802084
Never saw the OT did you?

>>220802084
seems weird that Ben didn't lead with midichlorians and went with the mumbo jumbo energy field explanation.

>>220802022
It was never an explanation, you blithering retard. Midichlorians don't cause the force, they are merely attracted to it and are used as a way to measure your potential to channel it. Is this really what RLMtards biggest complaint is? I understood this as a fucking ten year old.

The Force isn't magic

The Force is magic.

>>220802110
>Midichlorians don't cause the force, they are merely attracted to it
Let's see what the moves have to say about this...
>Midi-chlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells... and we are symbionts with them. ... Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force
>All energy from the Living Force, from all things that have ever lived, feeds into the Cosmic Force, binding everything and communicating to us through the midi-chlorians."
>Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create… life
Maybe you should watch these movies before trying to defend them...

>>220802109
It being an energy field with observable effects on the universe already precludes it being a metaphysical concept

>>220802022
Prequeltards ruin everything. They are thirsty virgins who belong in the trash along with their terrible autistic opinions.

I wondered what kind of thought George had in his head when he conceived this.

>>220802022
This chosen one bullshit was far worse

>>220802141
The 2nd quote you gave is literally what the other anon said, just worded differently. It must be infuriating going through life being too fucking stupid to understand child-level concepts.

>>220802225
The second quote literally states the force communicates through the midichlorians. Fuck dude prequeltards don't even have basic reading comprehension skills.

>>220802141
Okay so there are 4 known forces in the universe. Weak, strong, gravity and electromagnetic
Matter and energy moving and aligned in certain ways in certain parts of time and space interact and create wages fields so a bunch of energy rotating a certain way going at a certain speed on a certain direction at a certain time at certain amount of energy will do certain things. Most likely it looks like spaghetti and meatballs, sauce is energy, matter is meatballs, fields are spaghetti. It’s really weird but that’s the actual universe

The midis interact and create another force living force or free will, which allows the user to counter act the other 4 and do other weird shit. Since the field and the living force, are all the same quantum properties they are all entangled meaning fll, transportation, telekinesis, seeing possible futures is possible

There you go. More midis you have the more you can interact with it, without it you are a chemical reaction with no free will, the force is the “divine spark of free will”. Yes entanglement is an actual thing same with teleportation already.

>>220802317
>The midis interact and create another force living force or free will
>Free will
In a world with a deterministic chosen on prophecy?

>>220802317
>Midichlorians don't cause the force
>Oka Midichlorians do cause the force but like in a round about way
Why did you move the goalposts?

>>220802349
This dumb cuny doesnt know what a conduit is

>>220802389
>The midichlorians cause the force
>Buh buh it's like a conduit!
Just admit you were wrong faggot. The midicholorians are required to use the force, they aren't attracted to force sensitive beings it's the other way around.

>>220802141
did you even watch the movies you're complaining about? where's the contradiciton?

1. the force is created by life
2. midichlorians exist in all life forms and are necessary for life to exist
3. life forms communicate with the force and vice versa through the midi-chlorians

>>220802504
The fact that people can't tap into the force with midichlorians meaning they ultimate create the force powers we see in the films.

>>220802022
Only a fucking retard likes the prequels

>>220802163
Whills and Midichlorians are from the very original draft of Star Wars, they've been in his head as part of the metaphysics literally from the start
It's just one of those things where the real version of the universe as envisioned by the creator doesn't line up with the fanfics you created as a kid

Are there also maxi-chlorians? mini-chlorians? micro-chlorians?

>>220802532
you can't be alive to begin with, without midi-chlorians

midi-chlorians don't create the force either, life does. force powers come with training for those with a talent for it

>>220804562
That literally makes the midichlorians pointless then dumbass.

>>220802625
Fucking zoomers, leave

>>220804562
>midichlorians don't cause the force, they cause life, which causes the force
then midichlorians cause the force

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Midichlorians break the entire logic of the franchise because droids are sensitive and influenced by the force just like biological beings.

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there has always been a genetic component. the prequels are set in an era that is supposed to be the Republic and Jedi at the height of their power and ignorance. it changes nothing to know that there is a biological component to the force that the jedi are capable of tracking. whats interesting is the fact that they have it down to a science and yet are still beholden to some intergalactic bureaucracy that impedes them from following those signals even/especially if it means violating some space jew's property rights.

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keep in mind that much of this stuff is lifted from Dune. pseudo jesuit priests with the ability to control people's actions with mere words keeping track of specific family lines with magic genetics and obsessing over prophecies about them.

>>220805333
The idea that someone can become more sensitive or powerful with more midicholrians in their cells opens up a bunch of logical inconsistencies that some EU material had to just hand wave as being impossible for some reason.
Midichlorians are literally just bacteria/viruses in your cells completely seperate from your DNA and Body. A basic blood transfusion should be enough to make someone force sensitive even for a a short time. Granted even that doesn't make sense because then the question becomes how long to Midichlorians live? Can they live outside their host? If not then why can't they? How do they transfer to their host's offspring then? Do the midi chlorians reproduce? If they do what keeps their reproduction rates stable? Could they over populate a cell? Could they be loat over time? How did they evolve? They must have convergently evolved if multiple species can use the force or did they always exist? Are there force sensitive bacteria? Why don't we ever see wild animals using the force if it's just a power level thing?

That's what retards that defend the Midi-Chlorians don't get. The issues that they present by existing do way more harm to the universe because they are a shitty explanation even without the loss of the mystic aspect of the force.

>>220802022
It make sense to me. The ability to use the force has always been inheritable, so it could be to do with something in the genes. But a "force gene" has the problem of what about aliens without or with different DNA, as in they dont even have DNA. so a bacteria like mitochondria that can exist in unrelated species but still be inherited solves this problem.
What it doesnt solve is why dont they just harvest and inject these fuckers.

Can you imagine the sort of schizo numerology Jedi get up to while looking over eachother's midichlorian counts

>>220805505
you're just supposed to accept what the movie says without question and pretend that's the same as "understanding."

>>220802022
>You see child, these tiny creatures live within your cells and control the force, thus controlling all of our lives
'The fuck is wrong with George Lucas, seriously

>>220802022
Chris Avellone unironically hated this so much that it made him write Kotor 2

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I can imagine seething at this if i was genetically inferior but I'm not so I just relate to it.

>>220805825
hatred of the prequels spurred tons of creativity in star wars. this can't happen anymore due to disney killing lucas' EU model.

Just because you have cells does not mean they were not created by God.

>>220806096
this is directly acknowledged in genesis, as the children of adam take wives from the mud people.

Why did we need a middle-man to commune with the Force? It was fine before being described by Yoda in Empire as being created by life and connecting all life. Adding a third party as a force messenger just makes it clunky and lame.

>>220802022
George was a tard who thought DBZ powerleveling was the best way to show Anakin was strong.
HIS MIDICHLORIAN COUNT IS OVER 9000
Instead of a simple 'The force is powerful in this young one, I feel it flow through him just as much as Master Yoda" would have sufficed.

>>220802244
yeah, so the midichlorians don't actually "cause" the force. the force is still an unexplained phenomenon separate from the midichlorians. midichlorians are just the interface. your pupils don't "cause" light, they respond to light which exists independenlty.

>>220805084
but they aren't. it's important for the story that there be a physical measurement of force sensitivity.

>>220806251
> it's important for the story that there be a physical measurement of force sensitivity
but its really not
a qualitative statement about Anakin's force sensitivity would have been sufficient

>>220806105
You're a mud person

>>220806225
>>220806303

What it does is plays into the overarching theme that the jedi are bureaucrats and have a "system" for everything, which they blindly follow. Everything about them is about rules and regulations, which starts off with the midichlorian thing.
Later on you find out they're even more annoying to deal with, which allows Anakin's frustrations to lead into the dark side.

People were just shocked that the jedi of the PT are not behaving like the jedi of the OT, but there's a reason for their fall. They just abandoned Force mysticism and became rule-oriented dullards.
The overall arc of the saga shows that they were wrong and that's why they got wiped out.

>>220806385
Damn, I hate that this makes sense.

>>220806303
do you people really not get that it's a scientology joke about thetans? the point is that quigon is a kind of jedi fundamentalist that believes in this sort of stuff whereas the rest of the council thinks its a little kooky. it's all there for characterization and worldbuilding.

>>220806385
You would have a point if Qui-gon wasn't supposed to be some jedi prophet who spurred jedi tradiont and was going to train Anakin despite being to old for initiation
He was the nigga that developed force immortality. Why would he bother with midichlorians.

>>220806440
>>220806417

>>220802084
>>220802155
Anons when confronted with the irrefutable fact that the prequels sucked unwashed nigger balls accept this. A small sad remnant attempt to argue that no, the OT was shit was well. Ditto with the sequels

>>220806440
quigon doesn't spur jedi tradition, he actually believes in it far more literally than the other jedis, and that's why he wants to train anakin according to a prophecy everyone else thinks it's silly to take seriously. again: he's a fundamentalist.

>>220804187
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That idiotic Darth Plagueis story is the real problem.
>Midichlorians tell us the will of the Force
>Plagueis can use the Force to influence the midichlorians
>the Force is influenced by the Force
>this isn't even the first time this issue crops up, Yoda mentions that the Force was being clouded by the..uh..dark side of the Force.
An ouroboros is supposed to be symbolic, not to show that circular reasoning is somehow clever.

>>220802110
Does rlm live rent free in every prequel lovers head? It should embarrass you to mention them

>>220802084
>luminous beings are we, not this crude matter
prequelshitters have never seen the OT though

>>220806531
you dont even know what jedi fundamentals are
its just a stupid thing george came up with to to establish hierarchy of power

>>220806385
"The prequel Jedi were bad and retarded" is a Filoni Wars retcon that tries to rationalize how weird and alienating everyone found the prequel Jedi

>>220806251
You still need your eyes to see light. You can't say your eyes don't make sight happen it's light. That's being redundant. Midicholrians are a necessity for using the force and as such create a myriad of problems as a result.

What if I inject midichlorians into my dick and make my dick sentient and force sensitive

>>220806700
>you dont even know what jedi fundamentals are
but i do, eg the prophecy

>its just a stupid thing george came up with to to establish hierarchy of power
but that's not what he does with it at all. he doesn't tell you if obiwan has more midichlorians than darth maul or quigon or whatever. instead, he uses it in the way ive described.

>>220806880
He uses it to literally say Anakin is potentially more powerful than Yoda.

>>220806710
I mean it's storytelling 101. The jedi in the PT are very clearly presented as sticklers for rules and they keep shutting Anakin down constantly.
It's by design. The movies show you over and over that they're rigid, slow to move, out of touch with the Force and living large on Coruscant thinking they're above it all.

Meanwhile the Sith were shown to be adaptive, quick to move and exploit situations and regroup if they suffered losses, take every advantage and so on...

>>220806935
Yeah and then imagine if we had good sequels that show numerous force groups pop up without orthodoxy and all the chaos that happens with it and show how the jedi would have became the way the were over millennia they were guardians of the republic
That would be kino rhyming poetry

>>220806898
yeah, that's part of the "prophecy" thing. other characters are not placed in a power hierarchy. it's not about hierarchies.

>>220807241
The prophecy literally uses a power hierarchy to assert itself which it never needed to do.

>>220805624
> Can you imagine the sort of schizo numerology Jedi get up to while looking over eachother's midichlorian counts
Jedi Chan had to set up a special board to segregate the numberfags shitting up the site

>Lucas reads about mitochondria symbiosis theory and shits up his own work
lol
lmao even

You can enthusiastically praise the mythology and anthropology of Star Wars all day, every day. But when you point out that countable midichlorians as a concept is not present in any mythology or ancient storytelling, people get really pissy and defensive. People are brainrotted by this strange idea that everything needs to have an exact and measurable explanation, whereas real mythology is overwhelmingly about emotions and aesthetics rather than precise explanation. The concept of heroic paternal inheritance has to be stretched to make midichlorians feel legitimate, but at the same time midichlorians are not required to do this.

An ancient Jedi prophecy[7] made by an ancient Jedi mystic and recorded on a holocron[6] foretold that the Chosen One would restore balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.[4] The prophecy also predicted that the Chosen One would also become one of the strongest Force-sensitives in the galaxy, rivaling the power of the most legendary champions of the Jedi Order.[8] The prophesies of the Sith also believed in a coming figure who would be born of the Force. Known to those writings as the Sith'ari, the Sith foretold such an individual would come forth and hold tremendous power, much like the Jedi believed for the Chosen One. Based on his research, historian Beaumont Kin believed the Sith'ari and Chosen One were the same figure.[9]

>>220807645
> An ancient Jedi prophecy[7] made by an ancient Jedi mystic
Does this nigga get a name at any point? He should be pretty fucking famous

>>220807679
Glub Shitto

>>220807707
No! No! That can’t be it’s impossible!

>>220807707
The Book of Shitto…..

>>220807585
>whereas real mythology is overwhelmingly about emotions and aesthetics rather than precise explanation
anon. "zeus did it" is a precise explanation.

>>220802210
I will never understand why this is not a more common opinion. Midichlorians are a throwaway dumb line and forgotten about after 1, but the chosen one shit exacerbates literally every stupid plot decision and contrivance

>>220805459
dune was such a good book. kinda lost me after that tho..quit reading the second one about halfway through

>>220808009
>forgotten about after 1
you mean removed from the script due to negative reception, like jarjar

>>220808051
you endure them for god emperor.

>>220805505
based. midichlorians are fake and gay...the force is a cosmic mystic power that only certain bloodlines can tap into and use. the light side = stoicism. the dark side = unchecked emotion.

>>220802210
>>220808009
Turning Darth Vader into a prophesized Chosen One is the worst creative decision made in the entire franchise. Star Wars was supposed to be this huge, sprawling universe with infinite stories to tell, the prequels ensured that the entire universe revolved around Anakin Skywalker and his immediate friends and family.

>>220806345
ooooooooooo I'm telling mooooom

>>220808114
The chosen one didnt do that but the "No, I am your father" is what reduced that galaxy to a single family

>>220808147
No, retard. Darth Vader in the OT is just a guy, and Luke Skywalker isn't the scion of the Chosen One's lineage.

The "Skywalker bloodline" doesn't become important in and of itself until prequelslop.

>>220806251
>pupils respond to light
this argument would make more sense if some people had a force-sensitive organ that others lacked. a mutation, if you will. they could call it the X-gene

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The prophecy and it's bearing on any decision-making was just another example of the Jedi Council being foolish, dogmatic, short-sighted. And Qui-Gon new this, and used it toward his own motives

Qui-Gon never actually believed in the prophecy, he only feigned his belief and his assuredness of Anakin's place in it as a means to convince the Jedi council to train Skywalker at all. Otherwise, he could see they'd have refused to train him (Qui-Gon must operate within the bounds of the order, whether his views align with them or not- He uses the prophecy as a way to operate within the order and see to Anakin's admittance)

Qui-Gon saw the foolishness in the Jedi, in the order, and saw that they would adhere to their fated prophecy and so he used it toward his true motive- which was his belief in Anakin as a powerful light side force user, best trained in the way of the Jedi rather than chance the alternative

Looking at the films through this lens, things make more sense and the sequence of events that do unfold go from plot-contrived, to a consequential unfolding of the balance and order of the force. Anakin, Luke, were never meant to be anything more besides their own path in the tapestry of the Galaxy, during a pivotal period of events- And we see how it unfolded, end of story

>>220808155
"There is another"
happens to be a the other child of darth vader
no this was developed in the OT

>>220808177
this is headcanon though. I agree with you that itt would be a much better movie if Anakin Skywalker was just an ordinary slave boy strong in the Force and Quigon had a moral conflict with the Jedi's refusal to train him, showing the Jedi had become detached from their moral obligation as guardians of peace and justice, but that isn't the movie George Lucas chose to make.

He chose to make Anakin Skywalker an unironic Space Jesus because Darth Vader was the guy on the cereal boxes who sold the most toys, so in his merchandise-minded autismo brain he decided Darth Vader had to be the center of the entire universe.

>>220808177
Qui-gon completely believed in the prophecy, what the fuck are you on about with this bullshit?

>>220806673
hi there! I'm slightly retarded. what is rlm?

>>220806686
best line in the whole saga

>>220808271
reddit letter media
a bunch of cranky gen x youtuber who hate white people and love gays

>>220808239
prequel defense is always 99% headcanon.

I always found it ridiculous to convert the tool into a "thing"
It didn't break my suspensions of disbelief even one bit having a machine that goes "bip boop this says it has a quadrillion Midichlorians!"
But imagine the conversion to "thing" in real life
>I can't believe this Human Torch has over a quadrillion fahrenheits!!
>How is that possible??!
>Well, the fahrenheits are attracted to the energy of the body... It appears this men can control the fahrenheits to release them from his butt to propel himself...

The Darth Plagueis book goes on about them a lot but I haven't got a clue what's going on with them.

>>220806673
it's hilarious that zoomers believe that the prequels were universally beloved and no one ever criticized them until Mike Stoklasa singlehandedly invented prequel hate in 2009

>>220808396
Plagueis jizzed in the force through his midichlorians and got Schmi pregnant through her midichlorians
Space jesus is a alien wetdream
thanks lucas

>>220808428
its not just gen z, its the younger half of the millennial generation as well.

>>220808428
Indeed, rlm just made a compendium of every argument against the prequels that had been made on fan forums for years. I’m not sure there is a single complaint in the plinkett videos that wasn’t made long before.

>>220808172
i got a force-sensitive organ in my pants! aayyyoooooo!

>>220808292
> hates white people and fucks gays
yeah, they sound woke as fuck. not gonna watch

>>220802141
>Magic bacteria
Might have well have just used fucking electrons at that point.

>>220805505
Theyre obviously produced by the midichondria
The powerhouse of the cell.

I like the one where prequelfags just tried to say midichlorians were just attracted to strong force users.

>>220802084
Thing is called THE FORCE what else do you need?

>>220802022
It still makes you seethe 20+ years later so it did its job perfectly.

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>>220802022
"Magic" is just an unexplained physical phenomenon.

If you went back in time and showed a caveman gunpowder or electricity, he'd think it was "magic".

>>220809446
Then I guess the sequels are fucking master pieces.

>>220808292
>*male character likes female character*
LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE'S GOT A CASE OF THE NOT-GAYS!!

>>220807645
How exactly would destroying one side of the force completely "bring balance" to it? Don't the Jedi actually want supremacy over the force (which they mostly already have)? Why the fuck would they want balance?

>>220806251
>it's important for the story that there be a physical measurement of force sensitivity.
No it absolutely was not important to the story unless you think everyone was going to listen to Qui-Gon say "This kid has a shitload of force" and then demand to see a reading on an instrument instead of just having it be true

>>220809569
aayyoooooo *badum tiss*

>>220809446
>i-it was b-bad on p-purpose

>>220809544
you're getting confused by the "advanced technology and magic are indistinguishable" thing.

>>220809637
or you just have quigon call yoda and have yoda go "up the shut fuck, nigga fuck as strong with the force is kid that, here bring now fuck the right"

>>220809614
>How exactly would destroying one side of the force completely "bring balance" to it? Don't the Jedi actually want supremacy over the force (which they mostly already have)? Why the fuck would they want balance?
The Sith use the force and bend reality to their whims, removing the Sith means there isnt some hyper powered individuals bending the galaxy to their will. The problem is that the Jedi tend to produce Sith so balancing the force means reducing the Jedi to nothing as well. The force hates force users, not just the Sith.

>>220810728
It never made any sense to me that the New Republic didn't immediately start sanctioning Force users after Palpatine. The Skywalker bloodline alone is a nuclear bomb's worth of potential dark side incidents.

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>>220802022
Half the criticism would be gone if Lucas simply didn't name it Midichlorians.

>>220810817
>[the sequels] never made any sense

>>220810869
What should it have been named instead?

>>220811189
credit score

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I have a question. Were audiences supposed to know Senator Palpatine was the Emperor when the prequels first came out, or is it a twist in Revenge of the Sith?

>>220811591
Same actor for Palpatine and Anakin is known as Luke's dad's pre-vader name. So yes, audiences who watched the OT knew.

>>220811228
Then how would they explain Mace Windu's force mastery?

>>220811591
I was like 9 years old when I watched the movies and I figured it was him.

>>220811591
Back then people would remark how weird it will be to see the little kid turn get burned alive and turned into Darth Vader.

>>220808114
>Star Wars was supposed to be this huge, sprawling universe with infinite stories to tell
no its not, lucas literally meant for it to be a soap opera in space. A space opera. All the shit going on in the background exists in service of the plot about luke redeeming his father and turning him to the side of good, not the other way around.

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>force is female
>bad guys practically always in power
hmmmmm

>>220809554
No, they're obviously much worse.

>>220811591
the emperor was named palpatine on the toys

>>220811924
>lucas meant
he's changed his mind on this quite a few times.

>>220811591
This is one of those questions that can be answered by watched the trailers for revenge of the sith.

>>220802022
I like the explanation. I wish the explanation went even further into microbiology.

>>220802022
>scientific explanation
Not really. It just shifts the "magical ability" to something, that can be heriditary. This concept is already heavily implied in the original movies.

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>>220804562
>You can't be alive with midichlorians
What ancient wizard monkey bullshit is this??

>>220812907
And how exactly is a microscopic organism completely unrelated to your DNA a satisfactory explanation for the force being hereditary. If anything it brings into question why or how the midichlorians jump ship to a force sensitive's offspring. Or how the midichlorian count doesn't dilute with each successive offspring.