>Flush toilet in America>Somehow, this changes the temperature in the shower????Can somebody explain what's wrong with American plumbing and why this was a common trope in 90's shows? I even tried doing it to myself by using a stick to turn on the toilet while I was in the shower and it didn't do it.
old water heaters just worked that way. They're not like that anymore
>>220818560Then why wasn't this gag in British telly shows? You would figure Mr. Bean would've done a gag about it.
>>220818566The Brits have separate hot and cold taps. Something to do with post-war reconstruction, I can't remember>>220818518Flushing the toilet takes cold water, leaving only hot water. Maybe >>220818560 is right and this is a fixed problem in newer houses, I don't know
>>220818566I live in an old shithole and it happened to me yesterday when my roommate did the dishes.
>>220818518Opening the faucet lowers the water pressure of the shower and the boiler shuts down
When I was a kid I used to think if someone flushed when I was in the shower the toilet water would go through the shower head.
Toilets have a tank on the back that stores water. Pushing the handle opens a drain in the tank causing that water to go down the pipes. This causes a suction that pulls the contents of the toilet bowl down with it. The water in the back of the tank now has to be replaced, by cold water. Cold water is now going to the toilet instead of (just) the shower so the temperature balance between cold/hot changes.No, 'new' water heaters don't change this; you'd have to have entirely seperate supply lines.
>>220818560It has nothing to do with the hot water tank or boiler system (the simpson have a gas hwt in the basement). Rather the pipe diameter of the distribution system. A home like this would have been built in, assuming, the late 70s or early 80s. The water system would be in 1/2 type L copper. Modern homes run 3/4 mains with 1/2 branches. When alternate fixtures are used like the kitchen faucet or near by lav or toilet it reduces the volume of cold water in the system leaving an imbalance in the shower. The pressure of the system stays static. it’s more in line with a reduction in cold gpm to the shower valve.
>>220818518>I can’t ask any of the plethora of online resources to understand and solve this relentless conundrum!>>220818560Retard >>220818869Hey look, a white American. You of course are obviously correct
>>220818560So why don't they go back and update the scene so this doesn't happen?
Polish plumbers, cheap effective labor
modern homes usually have tempering valves in them which help keep the temperature balanced when there's a drop in flow on the hot or cold side which is why you don't see this trope as often these dayst. plumber
>>220819003>>220818869MY mando you use pex?Should I replace my sharkbite fittings? I know they're prone to leaking
>>220818518Most American showers in older homes had older hot/cold mixing systems. You run a combination of hot and cold water to get a warm bathing temp. When someone flushes the toilet or uses another fixture on a common line, it takes up the cold water temporarily. This upsets the hot/cold ratio of the shower flow making the water in the shower hot only for a few seconds which scalds you.The inverse can also happen if someone uses hot water in a sink which takes away hot water from the warm shower flow mix, turning it cold.This isn't specific to the US. We were just the first big country to have mass implementation of hot water to even our poorfags back when the tech was worse like this and our media was very prolific. I'm pretty sure older systems in Europe were this way too.
>>220818794That would be awesome and efficient
Do americans really microwave their water?
>>220820774Dumb/lazy/ghetto people do. I have a home filter system so just get hot water from the sink. Used to boil it on the stove or use an electric kettle previously.My white trash gfs family used to fucking microwave water in styrofoam cups and her mom yelled at her for saying it was unsafe.
>>220820774In some sort of scenario where I'm both in a hurry and need near boiling water maybe
It's called hydraulic water heating. Old instantaneous water heater only work with a certain amount of flow/water pressure. When you use the tap elsewhere, total pressure stays equal but it's divided between the two active outlets, causing the water heater to switch off.
>>220818566In the yookay it just makes the water come out at lower pressure.
>>220818518Stop pretending people in Europe shower.
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>>220818869christ it's insane that "shower gets hotter when it has to share the cold supply with another fixture" is so hard to grasp. based explainer anon
>>220820774americans don't even coffee or tea in their houses, they always go out and buy it
Are there americans that are not ugly and obese?
>>220821856Only on the coasts and far north
am I late to the seething at America thread?
>>220821856Meanwhile in yurop
>>220818518americans just have one long pipe of water for the entire house
>>220818869Yes new ones fix this problem by dynamically adjusting hot water pressure when cold water pressure decreases, the result is lower water pressure but the temperature stabilizes
>>220820513NTA but I am a professional plumber. I've heard anecdotal accusations about sharkbites failing after X years but I've never seen it or heard a specific story, nor have I seen any studies proving it. But I also very rarely use them, and only has a last resort (because they're expensive compared to regular fittings, not by an outrageous amount, but still. Money.)PEX is perfectly fine. Economical and easy to work with. In the 90s there were some plastic pipe issues and it caused a lot of skepticism that lives on today, but that was the first go at it, and it's been long since fixed, and it was a different kind of plastic. Old timers are just set in their ways. Everyone I know under 50 trusts it. The time and labour savings are great. Mistakes are trivial to fix. Clamping a ring in a right corner is a lot less risky than using a torch. The natural curving means you can mitigate hard 90 degree turns and cut down on turbulence and water hammer. Lots of upsides. Copper is also perfectly fine if you really don't like PEX. You can mix and match copper and PEX easily, too. There's no shortage of PEX/copper conversion fittings and they're as cheap as any other small copper fittings.There's PEX A and PEX B. Both are fine, but be mindful of knowing the difference so you don't accidentally get fittings for the wrong type. A lot of plumbers refer to them by brand names instead of "A or B" which annoys me.
>>220820999Wrong. It's purely a piping sizing issue. If you dyed water from two incoming lines instead if a hot and cold line, you'd see it.
>>220821811lol no
>>220818518>american "indoors">shoes on>no carpet in most rooms>a/c but no radiators>walls made of flimsy chalk "drywall">dog indoors>thing in the sink that can eat garbage
>>220822984nasty ass euros taking their shoes off before entering other peoples homes. you can literally spread foot diseases this way
>>220818518>pick up phone>internet disconnectswe used to have a little thing called SOUL
>>220822306i mean this could easily be washington dc
>>220822984>>shoes onYeah kind of gross but otoh get over your OCD. Guests walking around in their smelly socks doesn't sound great either>no carpet in most roomsMakes cleaning much easier. Carpet has to be shampooed every so often and even then it'll never be as clean as new. Plus you can put down rugs and change them whenever you want with hardwood/tile/laminate. It's no surprise carpet has fallen out of favor.>a/c but no radiatorsHeat pump/furnace/gas is just way less trouble than a system that needs water>walls made of flimsy chalk "drywall">dog indoors>thing in the sink that can eat garbageI don't get the problem
>Daily yuropoors obsessing about America threadClassic
>>220824346>>220824439obviously guest wearing shoes is fine if they arent staying for long. No one is telling the gasman coming to read the metre to take his shoes off. But dont americans put wear their shoes inside their own houses for no reason? like sitting on the coach? like Homer and Calvin always wear their shoes indoors.
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>>220824499okay, let me make it simple. just imagine how fucking disgusting a fat americans foot is. the toejam, the sweat, the fact that the closest it gets to being cleaned is when water almost makes it onto the bottom as they stand in the shower.do you want that fucking shit on your fucking floor. each step will look like a fucking penicillin petri dish
>>220821694Certain type of (((Americans))) are still mad to this day that Europeans made them shower though
>>220824729we never had a shower in the house. we bathe
>>220818560They are in Britain.>>220818657>>220821598Bullshit it depends on your system.
>>220820863Never use hot water for food purposes. Hot water tanks are full of years of sediments and breeding bacteria.
>>220820774Bongs literally think microwaves change the chemical composition of water in a way that an electric kettle doesn't. These fags are absolutely desperate for something to feel superior about.
>>220818518Better question is why would someone even bathe/shower with door open. And why is the toilet not separate from the bathroom?Americans are weird.
>>220824920microwaving water is just trashy and negroid. its nothing to do with chemical composition. hot water is hot water after all.
>>220825010>microwaving water is just trashy and negroidAt what age did you get your Aspergers diagnosis?
>>220820774I sometimes microwave my tea or coffe if it gets cold. My brother looks at me like I'm an idiot every time, lol.
>>220824499>No one is telling the gasman coming to read the metre to take his shoes off. You better believe I do. If he can't for work insurance reasons then he wears boot covers or lays down a drop cloth.
>>220825010>microwaveMade to heat up water molecules>tea kettleMade to heat up water moleculesI don't see the problem with either if you need to heat up water molecules
>>220820641lol of course they work like that here in europe, how else would they work? When you have a constant heat I'm pretty sure it just means the cold and hot are added automatically, you can buy cheap small mechanical hot and cold mixers that keep the temperature constant by mixing hot and cold in the right amount (my house is so old and archaic you can't get inside behind the shower to install it, you would have to tear it all down - it's a bitch trying to get the hot and cold taps just right to shower). How else would it work - burn oil at a variable rate to make the water hotter? That would be less efficient and probably a lot more complicated and costly. I thought the point of the thread was why isn't the water pressure strong enough to support the same amount of volume even when some of it was used up by the sink. Sort of like electricity - in theory you have a certain capacity but in reality it should be able to handle all useage. You would have to turn several taps on to maximum to cause even a slight dent in the flow of one tap here.
>>220824972>why would someone even bathe/shower with door openAs not to trap the moisture in the room and create mold. Exhaust fans are not always enough, especially in more humid climates.
>>220825266its just not done. its common. Yes you can heat up a jug of water and serve your guests tea from it, but far better to brew the tea in proper kettle boiled water instead of just lazily heating it up like you would a microwave pizza.
>>220826068You achieve the same result with both. The difference is in your head
>>220826110its a class thing, you can do it the other way of course, but its not the right thing to do.
>>220818566>”You don’t seem to understand. I’m trying to have an off-topic ‘Bitch About America’ thread, not get an actual answer.”
>>220826160Case in point: >>220826147
>>220818518hot water comes from water heaters. American homes have just one large heater that goes to all the faucets in the house. So the more hot water is being sent to different pipes, the more diluted it becomes. This causes you to adjust the temperature to be even hotter, but when someone else stops diluting the hot water, it becomes too hot. Do you not know how plumbing works?
>>220820774>BBC
>>220825342Sounds like it's also a good way to make the bathroom really cold really quickly.
>British sink>Have to deal with two different faucets, neither of which is the temperature you wantWhy
>>220818560You're so fucking stupid. I can tell you have a reddit account you use regularly. Just chiming in spouting nonsense so you can "participate." Christ what a fucking loser you must be.
>>220818767I get that the hot water would turn cold all of a sudden but why does it get hot if you turned on the cold water?
