Fire Walk With Me was absolute garbage.Just a series of disjointed scenes that add absolutely nothing to the source material.I didn't like the cozy and funny bits in the series anyway so their absence is not the issue. The issue is that what remains is an overacted mess that adds nothing to the mythology or even the murder of Laura. Everything we've seen is already known, Laura was stalked by Bob who was her father and then got killed. The implication the movie makes that the supernatural elements of the show are just a psychological coping mechanism of a rape victims is offensive to the source material. That was not implied in seasons 1 and 2 where the supernatural was a physical real presence confirmed by many different people independently. Now it's just some gay metaphor. The movie also was not disturbing or spooky or nothing, it was just tiresome and kitsch and made me roll my eyes. Also, this movie has made me hate Laura Palmer. She's a destructive person who uses their trauma as an excuse to ruin other people's lives. She almost made Donna be a drug addict whore like her and she abuses James who is the only person who actually cares for her except for Donna. I wouldn't say she deserved to get killed but the fact that she disappeared from Donna's and James' lives is a relief for me. So the moment of her death was also not sad or anything but just made me think "well that's what you get for acting like a retarded whore, you get in trouble you can't get out of". Nothing of value was lost that's for sure.It's no surprise that everyone on reddit sucks this movie's dick and there are literally not a single negative opinion posted about it. It's pure social signaling of people who are too stupid to critique a movie and too scared to overstep and call something Lynch has made a piece of garbage without merit, which it is.
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>>220821491You sure are mad bro.
>>220821515Incredibly. This movie has made me legitimately angry because I liked the show very much.
>>220821491L Y N C H E Dahahaha
>>220821529Have you tried watching The Missing Pieces? It actually doubles down on Laura being a horrible person.
just admit that you're a woman
>>220821563I was planning to but FWWM kinda took the wind out of my sails and I've been thinking that maybe I should just move on to season 3 instead. Unless the missing pieces adds something to the mythology that I'd enjoy.>>220821585If I was a women this movie would make me cream, my gf was bawling her eyes out saying "you aren't a women you wouldn't understand!!". The rape victim pity party was probably the worst thing in FWWM, as if that's an excuse to act like a piece of shit. Laura is a stupid whore who warrants no sympathy.
>>220821491Laura isnt an interesting character and the actress is bad
>>220821491Play (or watch a playthrough of) Deadly Premonition. It's basically TP but has an actual plot.Agree with OP on the movie >>220821563 Is a piece of shit and is just extra scenes that were cut from FWWM, to the point that it doesn't even have a coherent story itself. >Didn't even watch S3 I skipped ahead and just read the synopsis after realizing that S2 / the movie were the true "finale" for the show.It's just a bunch of running around till Cooper finds another girl that *looks like* Laura, brings her back to Laura's house, then "spooky shit" happens and it cuts to black with no resolution or answers as to what's happened.
>>220821491didnt read your gay post but fwwm is absolute kino and basically you're gay and l y n c h e d
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>thread has zero posts defending the merits of the movie>uuuuh what do you mean you didn't like it?? it's lynch!!Seems like Lynch fans are redditors no matter what platform they're on
>>220821515I'm still pissed that basically every non-main character involved in the chess-gambit Vs Whatshisname got taken out in a random bank heist explosion... In the fucking finale no less....
>>220822139The criticisms are surface level and not really worth addressing but I shall attempt>Everything we've seen is already known, Laura was stalked by Bob who was her father and then got killed.>The implication the movie makes that the supernatural elements of the show are just a psychological coping mechanism of a rape victims is offensive to the source material>The movie also was not disturbing or spooky or nothing, it was just tiresome and kitsch and made me roll my eyes.>this movie has made me hate Laura Palmer.How are any of these real problems? The series has always been about the underlying evil across communities, and this one digs into the origin of the main evil that caused it all. Yeah, we already knew BOB was Leland, but we didn’t really see how BOB impacted Laura Palmer. Gee, I don’t know, maybe being fucked up by her crazy dad is what drove her to drugs and prostitution? It’s a disturbing look into what can happen behind the closed doors of even the nicest families.I’m tired of this “the movie wasn’t what I wanted it to be” style criticism. Personally, I liked how fucked, twisted, and bizarre it is. If you didn’t, that’s fine, but it’s not really a fault for most.
>>220822277>Series ends>Creator has a chance at a movie>Films 5+ hours of loosely tied together bullshit>Releases half of it>It's just a fucking re-tread of shit we already know>Oh but Le Landlord did this minor thing!>Oh but Jaques was innocent of the stabbing the whole time!>Nothing else of value added.>Pseuds defend this because they're used to jacking off to the same 3 fucking points being re-regurgitated as nauseam. >Gee, I don’t know, maybe being fucked up by her crazy dad is what drove her to drugs and prostitution?Gee, I don't know, maybe we didn't need a whole fucking movie (and another half movie) to understand this?
>>220822372Wow yet another surface level critcism that doesn't address whether the movie was good or not
>>220822277>The series has always been about the underlying evil across communitiesIf that was true then the supernatural bits would have never been made explicit like they were in the show. It would have always stayed on the level of "is this real or is it a way the characters view reality to cope". So the transition into a behind closed doors drama is a retcon of the show. It turns a story about external influence into a story about internal coping mechanisms. If the story of Laura Palmer was that she got raped by her dad and starting acting out then it's not a twin peaks story, it's just a boring personal drama, and bob becomes a figment of her imagination instead of a supernatural force tied to the black lodge which affects several characters directly and explicitly in the show. And that is not me saying "the movie is not what I wanted it to be" it's me saying that lynch has severed the thread that existed throughout the series which is a valid critique. >fucked, twisted, and bizarre It wasn't and that's not the thing I didn't like about it. It was boring and tiresome and failed to shock me, which is where the critique of Laura's character becomes relevant. Even knowing that she is about to die her death could have been disturbing if her character would not have deserved to get punished and would not have been an evil influence on her surroundings. But it wasn't disturbing, knowing she will die was a relief for me because it meant she will stop destroying other's lives. But I guess totally failing to warrant sympathy for the main character murder victim is what Lynch wanted right. I'm sorry but that sounds like cope by die hard fans.
>>220821491FilteredLynchedEtc.The list goes on ...
>>220822404What is up with this style of film discussion where some angry retard tries to convince somone a movie is bad? Has this ever worked? I enjoyed it. You're retarded ramblings isn't going to change that I liked it.
>>220822393>the movieWhat movie? Do you mean TWIN PEAKS fire walk with me? The TWIN PEAKS movie? If it was just a lynch film unrelated to the show it would be judged differently, obviously. But here there is a source material that should not be shat on. And again Lynch fans pretend that not having respect for your own source material has some kind of artistic merit just cause.
FWWM and the third season of Twin Peaks aren't canon
>>220822430I don't give a fuck if you liked it I am voicing criticism not to convince you but to see whether you have some answer to critiques which you don't. "I liked it" is as worthless as me saying "I didn't like it". The question is whether it's a good piece of art.
>>220822452Yeah, I don't know how to address your criticisms because I just didn't feel that way whenever I watched the movie.When I say fucked, twisted, and bizarre, I mean the subject matter and material are bizarre. I don’t mean it’s like a horror movie that’s actively trying to disturb me. It’s more that the idea of a girl having an incestuous relationship with her father, and that destroying her psychologically, is disturbing.The series being about the underlying evil in communities is definitely a valid interpretation, and that’s just the one I roll with. So I’m not sure how I’m supposed to address that. I don’t mind that it isn’t a hardcore, jump scare-filled gore-fest horror film. I just find the subject matter interesting. Nothing you’re saying is really bothering me and I don't see the issue
>>220822476>Nothing you’re saying is really bothering meLol im not mad!!!!>I don't see the issue*Head in the sand*
>>220821563the missing pieces was actually kino, i bet lynch is rolling over in his grave
>>220822490See, Anon, this is why nobody responds to your thread. Art isn't some math test where you have to check all the boxes and get approved by RedLetterMedia and Chris Stuckmann, okay?
>>220821491TRVKE
>>220821491>I didn't like the cozy and funny bits in the series anyway so their absence is not the issue.you suck
>>220822476That's fair enough. Except for>The series being about the underlying evil in communities is definitely a valid interpretationI have to disagree. Supernatural occurrences are confirmed by different characters independently before even making contact with each other in the show. In fact the sheriff sees cooper disappear physically into the black lodge and reappear back again. I think it's fair to say that the show is objectively about external forces having an effect on communities rather than being a psychological coping mechanism or a metaphor. And that's not jump scare horror btw it's actually pretty nice psychological horror where you can't really know what to expect because things are controlled externally so the viewer becomes increasingly tense. I hate jumpscares personally they are cheap.
>>220822515He's not OP, my response is this >>220822526And I'm not looking for art to be a math. I do think that in film consistency with source material is important, and that achieving some emotional connection with the viewer is, and these are my main critiques of FWWM.
>>220822515You're the one trying to justify >>220822526 being turned into >It’s more that the ***idea*** of a girl having an incestuous relationship with her father, and that destroying her psychologically, is disturbing.Faggots like you are what turned ZOMBIE movies into "b-b-but the real evil was le other people all along!!" and turning into a fucking drama instead of being about SUPERNATURAL zombies like it was originally. >Inb4 walking dead It's fucking shit
>>220822554>I do think that in film consistency with source material is importantI don't>that achieving some emotional connection with the viewer isI mean I felt bad for Laura and saw her as a victim (roastie tier I know) so that's what kinda drove the film for me. She's being haunted and tortured by a demon(or whatever) in her house and can't really tell anyone.
>>220822578I think the difference is that you went in expecting a certain movie, and when it wasn’t that movie, you couldn’t meet it on its own terms.I just watched it and thought, “This is an interesting, disturbing story about a girl being traumatized by a demon and by the evil inside her own home.”
FWWM was rightly mocked and booed when it came out in 1992 which proves critics and audiences in the past were much more educated and had better tastes. Also, with no social media around, there was also no need to do performative "I'm so cool and special for being a Lynch fan!". I like Lynch, but when he made turds it's okay to call him out. FMMW was a gigantic masturbatory turd. The Return was (mostly) good though.
>>220821491Filtered. Best movie of all time.
>>220822583>I don'tVery strange opinion, why build lore if it's not concrete? How can you build upon known facts if they are subject to change? And it would be one thing if the piece is explicitly about foundations of sand, but pre FWWM twim peaks wasn't that. >tortured by a demonYeah I would have pitied her if we had some scenes of innocent Laura before encountering Bob. But the character we know from the movie is already functionally demon possessed and acts as an evil influence of her own from the moment we see her. There is no innocent laura to pity even if she theoretically exists before the age of 14.
>>220822644>Very strange opinion, why build lore if it's not concrete? How can you build upon known facts if they are subject to change? And it would be one thing if the piece is explicitly about foundations of sand, but pre FWWM twim peaks wasn't that.I watched the film about 10 years after I watched the original series, so maybe it just doesn't pair well with the original series. I just wasn't watching it from that perspective. I really treated it as a standalone film.
lol OP probably watched it on his phone
>>220822663Well if it was not a twin peaks film but just a film about a girl being stalked by a demon who turns out to be her psychological rape cope, maybe I would have enjoyed it a lot more. At the very least because then I would have not known the ending and would had the opportunity to be shocked.
>>220822604You seem to be obsessed with the fact that >FWWM is a movieYet seem incapable of understanding the fact that>FWWM is a TWIN PEAKS movie, not JUST a standalone film. A TWIN PEAKS film that released *after* the (at the time) series finale. >>220822663>I really treated it as a standalone film.Yup.....This is like Harry Potter ending with a cut-to-black when they realize they have to hunt the horcruxes, and the finale being a fucking TV spin-off where they tell the complete story about how Voldimort almost killed Harry as a baby... As if that fucking matters at this point in the continuity. But then you come along and say that only the movie mattered and "who cares?" if it ret-cons everything when Lilly just called CPS on Voldimort instead of sacrificing herself (because magic doesn't exist now) and it was a "well put together" movie!
>>220822725See, I don’t know if you’re the same guy, but you’re doing that whole thing where movies get treated like a math test and have to check a box to be approved by you.Your logic is basically: if you see a painting and like it, then later find out it’s part of a series and doesn’t match the rest, that somehow makes the painting bad. I just don’t think that’s how it works.
>>220822772He's not the same guy it's OP again.Paintings don't have explicit narratives. In a narrative you need internal logic and respect for established facts, otherwise all occurrences in the narrative mean nothing. If an author wants the narrative to be self contained it should be a new piece and not something that happens in the context of an existing piece.
>>220822825>In a narrative you need internal logic and respect for established facts, otherwise all occurrences in the narrative mean nothing.Oh nice more arbitrary rules!
>>220822834It's not arbitrary. In order to a narrative to function the audience needs to be able to follow a sequence of things. If things are subject to change at any time arbitrarily then nothing the audience sees can be taken seriously. Why even listen to the twin peaks mythology if it can be discarded later. Why even listen to some characters background if it is subject to change without explanation. Again this is not true if the piece is explicitly about non reliability but even that is an established fact that ought to be followed throughout the piece, an unreliable narrator can't suddenly become completely reliable without an excuse.
>>220822873>In order for* a narrative to functionAnd to be clear, call it arbitrary, but the aim of the artist is to invoke some kind of emotion, and my claim is that without internal logic there is no reason to CARE about anything that happens. I guess having the audience not give a fuck is another stroke of genius by Lynch right.
>>220822873>>220822892Yeah, but none of this really explains why I shouldn’t have enjoyed it.It feels like you want me to dislike the film, but the points you’re making don’t change the fact that it worked for me.
>>220822910Nah you can like it all you want, just wanted to see if there's some actual counter critique that may make me see it from a different perspective, because I genuinely wonder why others liked it. You seem to detach it from the twin peaks world in order to like it, which is your prerogative, but doesn't answer my critiques.
>>220821491Leland's depiction in the show by the point of his death episode being reduced to an inculpable, possessed Saturday cartoon clown-like character (pic related) was unbearably cringe and lazy. FWWM did a great job to rectify that and make him genuinely disturbing while still playing into the BOB/possession side.
>>220822625t-tell me more about her haha
>this high school girl getting raped by her demon/daddy is emotionally erratic and acts unlikable!Wow I don't think I've ever seen someone so filtered and I was in the /tpg/ threads while the show was on the air.
>>220822957Agreed, the family dinner scenes are some of the most horrifying things ever put on film
Arguing with autists is so tiresome.
>>220823467Seriously lol
>>220823467>twin peaks is about a girl getting raped and her mental statePure cope
>>220821491>The implication the movie makes that the supernatural elements of the show are just a psychological coping mechanism of a rape victims is offensive to the source material. ... when does the movie make that implication at all? What, you think what those FBI agents are investigating is a "psychological coping mechanism of a rape victim"? That David Bowie keeps teleporting against his will because of a "psychological coping mechanism of a rape victim"?
