BOW BEFORE YOUR KINGBOW YOU SHITS
START THE BOBBYPOSTING BEFORE I PISS MEESELF
OOOHHH CAREFUL NED, CAREFUL NOW
More wine your grace?
GODS THE SERIES WAS STRONG THEN
You heard him, the king is too fat for his armor! Go get the breastplate stretcher!
>>220822686I never bought the actor in this role.For some reason I could easily imagine what he looked like young - an ugly chubby fuck, so no way he was this strong imposing knight in the past.
>>220822686robert's biggest mistake was not solidifying his connection to the lannisters. jamie couldnt sire heirs because of the kingsguard, tyrion was never going to be tywin's heir, and the books make it clear that there was a point were cersei wanted to make it work with him. all he had to do was keep her happy and filled and he could've taken the entirety of the lannister's wealth whilst parading tywin's cumdrunk daughter in front of him for decades as revenge for him showing up late to king's landing. hugely missed opportunity
>>220823483You're right, but Robert was at his core not a scheming or cunning man. He was a guy that loved to fight, drink, fuck and party. He didn't care about politics or dynasties. He just wanted to chill and be rich and have fun after he'd won the war. In his mind there was nothing to worry about because the real danger had been utterly crushed (the Targaryens) and all was fine now. It's mostly with hindight that we see how dangerous the Lannisters would be. But in his own time the Lannisters were cowards that just happened to have alot of money.
Yes, well done Bobby, well doneHOWEVER
>>220823388it took me way too long to realize he was fucking with him, like a mechanic telling the new guy to get him the left-handed wrench, because it seemed reasonable to me that a breastplate stretcher was a real thing
>>220823388Hur lung biifur hii figirs thaat oyt
>>220822686>KINGSLAYER, PUT IN THE WORK
>>220825092no you didnt, they even explain to the audience seconds later it was a jest
>>220825092are you autistic? serious question because they start laughing right after the squire leaves. couldn't be more obvious
>>220825505Lancelot would have a hard time finding it because he's a dullard, so why would the viewer's mind jump to the notion that they're *both* fucking with him for no reason and that he isn't just going to get lost finding it or something?Ned is consistently shown to be an honorable foil to Bobby and everyone else in King's Landing so it didn't land when he's playing along with retarded schoolyard pranks on subordinates, even when it's his buddy the king doing it - if anything, he'd think the king should be the last guy doing that sort of thing. Ned was conscientious and constantly acting like the king should be, you know, responsible. He has a giant stick up his ass, didn't want the big event they're at to begin with, but breaks character to embrace a gag scene.
>>220825677You're taking this too seriously. Yes, Ned is honourable and just but that doesb't mean he's a buzzkill fag. He loves Robert and is happy to hang out with him and be reminded of old times. You can be a kind and honest person and also enjoy going along with your dumbass best friend's jokes. They are not mutually exclusive. Get some fucking nuance in your life, man.
I made this 12 years ago
>people say he lost because he couldn't play the Game of Thrones>actually did everything right and lost just because he got extremely unlucky and Lannisters got lucky as shit because the writer intervened and Robert just so happened to get injured during his hunt even tho he got blackout drunk while hunting like a 1000 times beforeNed didn't know Robert got injured when he started his plan, if Robert didn't get himself killed and returned to KL, it was fucking utter game over for Lannisters. The incest exposed, Robert furious, Renly starts the plan of marrying Margaery to Robert so Tyrells are against Lannisters as well, North and Riverlands side with Starks and the big ass gangrape of Tywin begins.
>>220825677Autism must be literal hell
>>220825720>Ned is honourable and just but that doesb't mean he's a buzzkill fagin the intro to the show he's about to kill a bunch of puppies in front of his children until they guilt trip him into relenting
>>220822686I miss him so much bros... He was the Prince that was Promised.
>>220823460>young - an ugly chubby fuckROIGHT
>>220825739He literally dies because of Cat. Cat started the drama with Tyrion and also told Ned he could trust Littlefinger lmao.
>>220825739>Robert just so happened to get injured during his huntThe Lannisters made that happenGet gud scrub
>>220825739You're completely right, and this is one aspect of the story I feel is annoyingly overlooked. Ned is not stupid or naive. He is a man that has seen and lived through many awful things and is scarred by them and completely aware of hiw evil and shitty people can be. He also is smart and knows how to win a war and maintain order and justice.You're right that he got screwed over mostly by REALLY bad luck. Without hindsight there is absolutely no way to know that Cersei was an evil schemer that would manipulate the situation to win. He thought he had already won and that she and her family were fucked no matter what, he was just giving one final mercy to avert unnecessary violence. He knew Robert would murder her entire family and he wanted to avoid that. That isn't stupdity, it's genuine mercy and decency, and there simply was no way to know how evil she really was. Even to book readers it wasn't apparent until book 4.Ned was wrong about opposing the assassination pllot against Dany but he was 100% right here.
>>220825739Yeah this always bugged me too, he loses because of absurdly bad pig related luck, no other reason.
>>220825819>Ned was wrong about opposing the assassination pllot against Dany but he was 100% right here.He wasn't. It's the assassination attempt that triggers Drogo into wanting to ride to Westeros and ignites Dany even more to retake what's hers.Also Cersei is not a good schemer, she's just stupid as fuck, but even she herself realizes that killing Ned was a huge mistake and fucked them over.
>>220825855>>220825819to cersei's credit she only wanted to send him to the wall alive, it was joffrey being a spiteful faggot that got ned killedthey still probably would have sent some dreg to kill him up north once people stopped paying attention, but it's more chance/hope for him than head right off in the capital
>>220825855There is absolutely no way anyone could know that a FAILED assassination attempt - which obviously no one that plots an assassination expects - would cause that. But it was absolutely worth the attempt, because she and her brother were a genuine threat, and even before Drogo promised to invade, she and her husband were a threat. Drogo probably would have got around to it eventually, because the dothraki were based on the Mongols and the Mongols conquered just for the sake of it, and believed they were destined to conquer the whole world. Illyrio was a genius by marrying her to Drogo, he knew that. He knew they'd turn on Westeros eventually.I agree Cersei is an awful schemer but my point is that she has the combination of evil ruthlesness and great power, which is dangerous, and she knew how to use it. But Ned had no idea she was evil. He just thought she was the daughter of a rich asshole pushed into an arranged marriage.
>>220825917I mean they're in fantasy Mongolia, and they've never crossed the ocean before (and never will cause Gurm is never going to finish the Winds of Winter) also this is before she had dragons. She's barely a threat, and probably not worth the attempt. Even if the Dothraki made it to Westeros (which they wouldn't because even if they got someone to sell them boats they have no experience with naval warfare, and would get smashed by Stannis) they're retarded and refuse to wear armor so they would get completely fucked by armored knights, let alone protracted medieval siege warfare. Ned was right.
>>220825917>But Ned had no idea she was evilDoesn't he pretty much know that Cersei was involved with Bran being pushed from the tower at this point? I only watched the show
I'm re-reading the books after not touching them for over a decade and GRRM has used the phrase "like a knife cut through cheese" at least three times, and I'm only in Clash of Kings.
>>220826107He is fat.
>>220826020He does. He knows she's a cunt and he knows Joffrey is a piece of shit, but he is radically against harming children so he gives her this decency and a chance of escape. Remember, Robert is completely fine during this, from his POV he pretty much won and is allowed to "gloat" or show mercy to his opponents. She even tries to seduce him in the books during their talk and he asks if she did the same with Jon Arryn, for which she slapped him.Really if you want to name his one single mistake, is that he was merciful against children. If he was more ruthless he'd take Renly's offer and move and arrest Cersei and her children.This was one thing he would not back out of, remember that he was the only person in the Iron Throne room who spoke out against Mountain and the other guy smashing the head of a toddler and stabbing a little girl 50 times while her mother was being raped by Gregor. Not to mention he literally covers for Jon Snow because Robert would also have him killed if he knew his real parents.
On reread, it's actually fucking ridiculous how obvious it is that Jon is Lyanna and Rhaegar's son lmao.Even ignoring all the blatant hints beating you in the head, the Occam's Razor explanation is the most damning evidence:>If Jon's mother was literally ANYONE else, Ashara, some random whore, some fucking peasant girl with big tits that Ned fucked, there's literally no reason whatsoever to keep it secret. He's a bastard, he has no claims to anything etc. and is just a result of a single swing Ned did during the war.>No. The ONLY reason Ned would keep it secret even from Jon himself, is if the knowledge alone would be dangerous to them, and that's only, and ONLY if he is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna.
>>220826177That's the tragedy of Ned. He is the only one truly upset and legitimately traumatised by the rape and murder of Elia and her children and this has fucked him up to such an extent that he will refuse to even consider any scenario that puts an innocent child in danger, no matter how much it would help him or even save his life. Ned really is a deeply tragic character because he sacrifies everything for decency and kindness and it fucks him over badly. It really pisses me off when Dany rants about Ned being an asshole even though he was the only guy that actually wanted to save her and her family despite the atrocities her family committed against his own family. I love that at one point in the later books Barristan even tries to defend Ned to Dany, basically a "real recognises real" moment, the only honourable kingsguard respecting the only honourable great lord.ASOIAF is one of the deepest and most complex stories I've ever read, and Martin, whatever else you might say about him, is a genius when it comes to writing complex and compelling characters.
>>220826295Or, you know, he was embarrassed about betraying his wife and didn't want the act being discussed openly at Winterfell, causing her more disgrace. Do you know a lot of married people that talk about their one-night stands in front of their wives? What the hell
>>220826410>I love that at one point in the later books Barristan even tries to defend Ned to Dany, basically a "real recognises real" moment, the only honourable kingsguard respecting the only honourable great lord.It does work. She initially dismisses his claim, saying it doesn't matter if it was Lannister or Stark and they all are usurpers, but then her thoughts go to her actions that she actually locked up Rhageal and Viserion for a "crime" Drogon commited, so she does realize she's not being fair to the Starks.
>>220826447That doesn't explain why he didn't tell Jon. The honorable thing would be letting him known, not keeping him in the dark, knowing full well it pains him every day that he doesn't know his own mother.
>>220826447R+L=J is fucking stupid and I don't like it but it's obviously supposed to be canon.
>>220825917Who cares whether it failed or not. The attempt was made. How could you not expect retaliation for an assassination, failed or otherwise? Wars in real life have been started for less.
>>220826537>hey son you mother was a fishwife named derpina who lives hundreds of miles away and you'll never see her>okay thanks dad now I won't be a brooding nightswatchmanI don't think so. The point is that it's completely believable that he wouldn't have told Jon even if his mother were not Lyanna. You only see how obvious R + L = J is on a reread because you already know it. It was properly hidden and believable; you'd only realize it if you were dissecting everything.
>>220826519Yeah you're right, I forgot about how Dany reacted to it.It makes me sad we never got a true adaptation of books 4-5, because they have by far the deepest characyter and thematic development that subverts not just generic fantasy but even the first few books. It forces so many characters to question what they were taught and raised with and recognise how complicated real life is.A shame the show-writers were braindead faggots incapable of respecting such source material.
>>220826579I wasn't denying that. I'm saying that Ned's failure to tell Jon about his mom can be reasonably explained without the reason being "it was Lyanna."
>>220826635True.I wish Gurm would finish the books so this matter could be put to bed, but he never will.
>>220825767He was about to kill direwolf spawn, not le heckin Golden Retriever pupperinos. Horse sized predators that would most likely eat their weight in man's and livestock's flesh every month if left in the wild.
Was Robert entertained by this initially? They show reactions of Joffrey and Robert at its almost like they both wanted to see how it was gonna play out before Robert stops it
>>220822686>is right about literally everythingGods he was strong.
>>220826998Unironically, he is the best king depicted in the show and in the source material he is a better king than more than half of his predecessors
THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE IS PREGNANT!Gods i miss Bobby B posting.
>DON’T KILL ME! I’ll SUCK YOUR DICK AND EAT YOUR SHIT! YOU CAN HAVE THE BARD SING IT!
I like that most people agree that prime Bobby B could probably beat anyone 1 on 1 just because one swing of that hammer would annihilate you. Even the Mountain
>>220827263Burn this man for slandering the one true king of Westeros.
>>220826960>they were monstrous lions you idiot, what does it matter if I cut their throats in front of my kids, it was a credible threat and I was merely defending our lives
THAT CHILD WILL SPREAD HER LEGS AND START BREEEDING!
