Getting what you want is LE BAD

>>220825248
Have you watched a horror movie before?

he didn't ask for her consent before he wished

>>220825248
>I made a wish she would love me
>you see the clever twist is she actually got replaced and possessed by a demon
ok...THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING WISH HE MADE THO.
that's not obsession. that's not the premise. that's just a generic demon possession movie you fucking hack.

This movie was so poorly handled.That retard could have made an actual obsessive relationship scary but instead he went with the most hacky trope ever.

>>220825321
Have you seen a good film before? This is lazily shot garbage with a presentist narrative. Good horror films end with anti-satanic themes. Signs is one particular example. Stephen King's IT is a patrician choice, though hokey. The Japanese understand this principle of myth well. If you want to move culture: you uplift, not denigrate.

>>220825248
>What exactly was the moral/message?
Chuds are losers that need to be culled

>>220825321
>>220825389
If you want a recent example that directly proves my point: simply compare Weapons (uplifting myth) to Long Legs (the same exact story condescendingly hateful), and compare the audience reception to those two films.

>>220825248
It's not feminist in the slightest.
I'm pretty thoroughly trad and right-wing and I really liked this movie. Watched it with my gf (she is kinda leftist)
We both liked it because it's jsut a damn good horror movie and isn't fucked up by modern politics.
There are only a couple of moments hwere it seems to paint the main character as not so good because he wants to keep the charade going but not because he's a MAN but because he's just a weak beta-male that has no confidence to be direct with women. The movie actually condemns such men and pushes the idea that confidence and boldness in men is much better,
Everyone I've talked to about the movie has had the same takeaway. It's not a feminist movie, it reallly is just a simple "be careful what you wish for" with a touch of "don't be a weak beta male bitch too scared to take control of your own life and make things work properly".

>>220825329
she didn't ask him for consent before making him horny neither. he would have never wished in the first place if he wasn't horny. she is at fault, think about it rationally.

>>220825460
Pisspoor attempt at blending in, troony. This movie looks like shit and this thread is the absolute most attention it has grasped from me as of yet. Will not watch. Will not pay.

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why do Chuds insist every piece of media have some sort of moral or message?

Zoomer media doesn't have messaging (they wouldn't understand it if it did)

>>220825380
He was the one that was "obsessed" anon. Even if the wish had worked as intended, he would have still been taking away all her agency and essentially brainwashing her to get her to love him, and he was fine with that, as long as he gets what he wants.

>>220825248
Can't believe I have to explain this to you retards.
1. It’s a horror story, not a moral story. The purpose of the movie isn't to teach you a lesson.
2. The message isn't directed at women, it’s directed at incel chuddies (you).
Basically the main character was a coward. He spent years not confessing his feelings and in that time she got together with someone else. She gave him the opportunity to confess, and even then he was still afraid to say it. Shit or get off the pot, nigga.
Once he made the wish and figured out it had come true, he should instantly have gone into panic mode trying to undo it. When Nicki begins trying to contact him/starts rebelling and screaming “it’s not me!” then it really is time for the guy to man up and fix that shit. But he ignores all that because he wants to be with his idea of her.

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>>220825432
You're a retarded autist. You should kill yourself. I haven't watched the movie btw

>>220825503
Every story for tens of thousands of years was carefully woven with moral messages which were intended to be central to each culture's collective consciousness. Until around 600 years ago (curiously when Freemasons and South-Eastern European Jews took hold of systemic control of the Earth), this was the way things had been. As you can see: perpetual meaninglessness, hate, and demoralizing propaganda has done nothing positive for any country or people on the planet - not even for those in control. This garbage services no one. It's purely intended to cause meaningless chaos and demotivate people from attaining a semblance of higher thought or moral standard, as evidenced by posts like yours. Don't allow yourselves to be complicit cattle, or else you will be herded like such.

>>220825584
I accept your concession.

>>220825561
>it has no message
>here's the message
brain problems

>>220825547
Her being possessed by a demon is infinity less interesting than her still being her but being motivated by an unhealthy obsession.
The movie fundamentally does not work. not to mention
THAT'S LITERALLY NOT WHAT HE WISHED FOR. wishes being nothing like what was asked is the most most hacky trope. because the writer like
>haha see be careful what you wish for
you literally didn't do what he wished for you just did some other random shit you faggot.

>>220825634
>moral of the Divine Comedy
>”erm all the people in real life that I hate are going to hell and shit”

Why do all movies now look like tiktok videos

>>220825692
You seem very autistic.

>>220825683
>morals=message
What African country do you hail from where these words translate to mean the same thing?

>>220825696
I understand that my post frustrated you, but I only said it out of concern. I never mentioned the Inferno, but you seem to misunderstand both my post and that story. Coincidentally, though, the Divine Comedy was written after that period of time where myth was most central to life. I honestly have no idea what brought upon this comment. You must be possessed with some strange complex.

>>220825716
Newark

>>220825707
You seem like a retarded slop consumer who never questions low bad logic and bad writing.
what about the other wish that was made? why did that actually give him money? why didn't that just summon a demon instead too?

>>220825745
>that typing style
Bad news, friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

>>220825823
I don't have any schizoid disorder, by any means. I feel bad that I make people like you so insecure as to encourage such a claim against myself, though. If it's any consolation: I have been diagnosed with anxiety and depression (something extremely common). I'm not even autistic, like one other anon seems to want to believe. You should consider the idea that perhaps you simply have a bell curve IQ, or do too many drugs and surround yourself with garbage media, if basic intelligence is so threatening to your personal worldview.

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>>220825248
I miss when every horror film didn't have to have morals or messages.

It's like asking about leatherfaces upbringing. Who gives a fuck?

>>220825248
>use dollar store dark magic
sounds racist

>>220825883
Everyone’s IQ is on bell curve you turd gurgling retard lol

>>220825820
You sound autistic AND raped.

>>220825248
Maybe the moral is to stay away from dark magic

>>220826001
I am sure you wish that were true. It would likely be comforting.

>>220825460
>just have confidence even though society and women shit on you at every turn and makes movies demonizing you
Normies really are worthless.

>>220825561
>she got together with someone else.
no she didn't. ian was a fuckbuddy nothing more

>>220825380
oh god the store just openly selling that shit, helpline and everything was really stupid and poorly thought out.
the demon does random shit, that has nothing to do with loving him, for no logical reason and only for the sake of being creepy.
They could have at least explored her dealing with the aftermath of everything after the demon left her body.
They did nothing interesting with anything they set up. At every single turn they did the least interesting thing possible.

>>220825918
Not once did she try to tittyfuck him with here massive knockers? I'm questioning how much she actually loved him.

Who has the piss webm?

>>220825561
he ignored that shit because the writer wants her to do more shock value stuff and doesn't care about the integrity of the plot.

>>220826214
lol yeah
my ex-gf was a hot colombian with a huge ass but she never let me fuck her doggystyle, only once when we were both drunk AF, but every other time she insisted on sex only the way she wanted (her on top) every single time for 1.5 years
just because a woman is hot doesn't mean she'll do everything a guy wants

>>220826253
Don't even get me started on the plot contrivances like her being turned away from the hospital despite stabbing herself in the face with a broken bottle.
So the writer didn't have to deal with her being detained for psychiatric eval.
Fuck right off. Go and eat shit writer who thought that was acceptable.
>>220826214
those things were NOT that big in the movie I swear.

>>220825248
>>220825634
>>220825389
it's a faustian pact story, very common in horror and one of the oldest narratives in western media

improve your media literacy unironically because some of you anons are unbelievably fucking stupid and uneducated

>>220825248
>If you wish for a billion dollars and get it, don't randomly go to your friend's house to tell him even though he was just there and saw it happen.

Bravo youtuber director!

>>220825321
I watched the original House on Haunted Hill and and Cat People and that's about it. Horror is a garbage genre.

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>>220825248
Don't be a cowardly little bitch, that's it.
>GOSH GOLLY I SURE LIKE THIS WOMAN! OOH BOY WHAT SHOULD I DO!
just b urself

>>220826300
pretty beta bro, you wanna fuck a girl doggy style just physically bend her over and shove it in

>>220826429
>went to an ATM
>OH SHIT THE NOTES ARE REAL!
>AY YO LIL DONNIE THE MONEY ARE R...*gets shot*

>>220826408
You completely missed the point of my posts, by fault of your presumptive and juvenile mindset. My point wasn't about whether or not it coldly displays ancient tropes of mythical thought ("Faustian bargain" being of a later age aside); my point was that it clearly has no intent other than merely mimicking horror tropes for purposeless entertainment propagandistic nonsense. You're a cuckold of the mind, and are led around with a chain. This is most evidenced by the fact you type with an interest in appealing to the masses, rather than in defending any real foundational view of your own. Quite a negroidic mindset, one would say.
>Ay nigguh lemme finna prove you wrong imma boutta woop yo ass whyte boeh
>Ummm, yikes?
Both of these pathologies are showcased in your post. Pathetic.

>guy confesses to her
>Gets cancelled
That's what would happen irl.

Not gonna watch this trash. The shills for this movie are horrible in their propaganda for it. Zogchow.

>>220826300
you never tried to push her? you know, overpower her a little bit? I mean it's not like you were trying to fist her asshole.

>>220826567
>going to an atm
>after you already have the cash
for what purpose

>>220826594
>seething this much because he was too dumb to recognize a faustian bargain plot
/pol/ isn't sending their best

>>220826615
so you can check if the notes are real? as in not ''counterfeit magical money''.
You don't wanna end up like St. Floyd

>>220826639
That's not even close to what I had just said, or implied. Kek.. I accept your concession.

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>>220826601
Yeah this was back in 2023, I admit I was way too beta back then, you're right
With my current gf (also a latina, from Brazil) I'm the opposite, EXTREMELY dominant sexually, and she is okay with that
I'm like that as a reaction to how beta I was before, so at least I learny my lesson lol

>>220826639
>faustian bargain plot
the wish worked fine for the guy who wished for just money. so it's not that.
the movie failed to explain why the MCs which was not actually granted and why it summoned a demon when that was not what he asked.
the online accounts in the movie also suggest that there are many other people who's wishes were granted properly. It's a really poorly realized world.

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>I wish for a billion dollars
Okay here is a billion dollars created out of thin air and dropped right in front of you.
>I wish she loved me
Erm sorry but instead of triggering dopamine chemicals whenever she looks at you, we actually replaced her consciousness with some mentally deficient demon. Also btw, we actually did not even fully replace her, she is locked up in mental jail hell and sometimes she can escape and control her body too and act even crazier lol.

Really?

>>220826775
>the movie failed to explain
it's a horror movie, not a marvel flick, things are often left unexplained and up to the imagination because it's spookier

>>220825380
>>220826837
people who shill for this movie are so low IQ they see no problem with this. they just consume slop and don't think about how stupid it is.

>>220826919
it's not really a fustian bargain plot if the product actually works but just doesn't for the protag because of a contrived unexplained reason.

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>>220825248
She literally is trying to hint to him to buy her a necklace at the start of the movie. No wonder nobody on this board understands this shit, none of you fucking talk to women kek, you’re all retarded cowards like Bear.

>>220827023
I'm one of the very few normies on here with a gf, actually saw the movie with my gf, and funnily enouh we had very different views of Bear: I had absolute contempt for him being a beta-male pussy whereas my gf thought he was cute and nice.
It isn't a gender thing. Some people, both men and women, like the type of "man" that Bear is, others don't.
Personally I don't think the real Nicki would have gone out with him despite what the director hints at. They're just.... not compatible in terms of confidence and energy. He is too meek, especially for a good-looking latina.
Good movie though.

>>220827086
You just have low empathy and are unable to understand why a young man might be lacking in confidence around a girl he likes

>>220827123
Literally get over it or die alone.

>>220827135
>die alone
You probably will, your types don't have many visitors in old age

>>220827166
More than a pussy scared to talk to girls. Like this movie only gets as bad as it does because Bear is fucking retarded lmfao

>>220827229
your gf is fucking black guys behind your back btw

>>220827123
I dunno man, the moment I stopped being so soft and sensitive and "empathetic" is the moment when I actually started succeeding in life with women, career, etc. Empathetic men are generally seen as being soft and weak and exploitable, from personal experience.
Also, they are deeply unattractive to women.
Even my gf, despite being a very sensitive and therapy-coded person, admits she finds overly sensitive men to be gross and icky, and prefers sterner and more detached men.
I used to be soft and empathetic but all it got me was failure and rejection and being taken advantage of and disrespected. Not worth it, bro. Be a cold detached cynical hard-ass, it'll work better, trust me.

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>>220827229
>minor spelling error
Sensei… Forgive me…

>>220827242
I don’t have a gf, nice try, monogamist goy

>>220826775
>worked fine for the guy who wished for money
Yeah getting shot in the head sure worked out fine for him
None of you understood the purpose of the toy. The magic stick chose him. It sensed and fed off his pent up obsessive energy. Anyone involved past that point was going to die or be horribly scarred no matter what

>>220827245
>I dunno man, the moment I stopped being so soft and sensitive and "empathetic" is the moment when I actually started succeeding in life with women, career
it's called pull the ladder up syndrome, you got yours so fuck everyone else. It's why I said you're low empathy, it's very obvious from your projections

>>220827123
it's more than that he's a moron.
if a girl asks you if you liker her there is never any reason to say
>as a friend
you can just say
>sure i do
casually and then walk it back after if things go badly like
>oh I just meant as a person

>>220827229
lets be real the movie gets bad because it takes away all agency and accountability from the girl by replacing her with a demon instead of just a psycho GF.

>>220827242
Oh god I wish

>>220827242
he wishes

>>220827339
>Yeah getting shot in the head sure worked out fine for him
shot by who the money?
oh no the demon that was the product of the first wish. stop defending this poorly written trash.

>>220825389
that's just, like, your opinion dude

>>220827340
Yeah maybe you're right. I don't care though. I've given my advice from personal experience and that's it. Accept it or don't. You can take the moral highground and still be a loner beta-male pussy with no gf.
Personally I'd rather get regular pussy and be confident and successful even if it means I'm a meanie arrogant asshole. I feel happier that way. My gf agrees too.
The world has no sympathy or respect for soft men that play victim. Get that into your fucking head right now and make a change or you'll alwaus be a loser feeling sorry for yourself. I'm being mean because it's necessary. You need to realise how bad it is and want to change to avoid humiliation.

>>220826837
The craft had a good depiction of a love spell going bad

>>220827427
>The world has no sympathy or respect for soft men that play victim.
The thing is you're a very soft man yourself, all this projection is pathetic lmao

You don't have to be a shithead to get girls you don't have to hate on men who haven't figured themselves out yet

>>220827364
That demon is simply informed based on Bears mental, it’s only doing things that that it thinks HE will like. Have you ever read Where the Wild Things Are? Children’s book. Theres a line at the end of the book:
>I’ll eat you up, I love you so!
He loves his cat, but it’s gone, so what is a way he can keep it with him forever? Nikki knows a way. Bear is a narcissist who is not bothered by even EATING HIS DEAD CAT until Nikki starts to PUBLICLY inconvenience him, but he’s a fucking cowardly one. That thing is INFORMED by him, by his wish, and what is in his head. For fucks sake, it probably wouldn’t have gone so bad in any other circumstance had it been worded differently Bear or just straight up not used by a fuckoff loser.

>>220826837
Did you read the packaging? All of this is explained.

>>220827396
>DUDE I NEED EVERYTHING I'M SEEING TO BE COMPLETELY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EVERY SINGLE THING TO BE DIRECTLY CAUSED BY ANOTHER THING OR IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE AND ITS POOR WRITING
You are literal cattle.

>>220827489
I don't hate on men that "haven't figured themselves out yet" despite that being a very gay therapy-coded phrase. But I have been in that situation and know that sitting there feeling sorry for yourself and wanting to be coddled and treated softly will not help. Women and society only respect toughness and confidence in men, that's it/ It's a fact, deal with it. I have women that I love and have alwaus loved me, like my mother and aunts tell me the same, taht when I started being confident and more assertive I became more impressive and interesting.
Tough love is the only love that works for men because as men we can't expect to be treated with fucking kids gloves like women, right? They get the easy path, not us. Accept it and deal with it.
I'm not a shithead, but I hate what I used to be and am disgusted by it and genuinely don't want other men to be like that, so I take the tough love approach to discourage them from being lke that at all.

>>220827364
yeah the whole movie is intended to make you dislike the male lead.
I'm surprised that's all you noticed.
He even realized it was real and it was killing her slowly so he just goes to his wagie job and mopes.
Everything he did in the movie was wrong and stupid. Intended to make you hate him.

>>220827607
God damn are you mad lol, go suck a dick

>>220827510
>he'll really love it if I cook biohazard rotting cat meat despite the fact that i KNOW that's not acceptable, based on the sandwich that I made with bread, lettuce, buter proving that I have knowledge of normal human cuisine and acceptable ingredients.
>hell really love it if I randomly say psycho shit despite showing I have knowledge of normal social interactions numerous times.
>He'll really love it if I stand here and shit and piss on the floor... pee pee poo poo


There is no way to defend this garbage no matter how you attempt to faux intellectualize it with made up bullshit.

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>>220827607
Just fuck a dude.

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>>220827664
Wow, that’s so sad, I hope that nobody in real life would do a bunch of fucked up shit confusing it for love, that would surely never happen and surely is not the reason you sit alone replying to me right now. I hope a cat gets boiled in every movie you watch now.

This whole story is an allegory for immigrant experience
>Nikky is white countries/white nationalism in general
>Demon is immigrants
>Bear is left wing government
Bear wants to be loved so he replaces native Nikky with a foreigner who is forced to love him wheras Nikky is a white nationalist who doesnt want to share her birthplace with a stranger and opposes them using it to do something she doesnt approve of.
The only problematic part is that Bear eventually kills himself - he should have accepted the demon Nikky as the new version of her. His rejection is deeply problematic and exposes director as a right wing MAGA chud.

>>220827726
at last I truly see

>>220827664
between this and Terrifier...
is that all there is left for the horror genre? just increasingly senseless disgust?

>>220827547
The Irony of nigger cattle, defending juvenile bad wring by a low IQ retard, calling others cattle.

>>220827746
I fucking hope so, horror has been sanitized PG-13 slop the entire past decade. Go watch Annabelle, unc.

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>>220827607
>I don't hate on men that "haven't figured themselves out yet"
>I hate what I used to be and am disgusted by it
heh

>>220827510
>That demon is simply informed based on Bears mental, it’s only doing things that that it thinks HE will like.
This is so retarded.
>Wishes are very literal
>Except this time where it makes a judgement call and deems Bear an incel so has a demon perform scat play as love
He literally tells her to act normal and not shid her pants and she goes on to kill people.

>>220827708
>I hope that nobody in real life would do a bunch of fucked up shit confusing it for love
Wow that sounds like an interesting concept. Maybe someone should make a movie about that instead of a sloppily written demon with inconstant intelligence.

>>220827750
Just admit you got filtered and move on brainlet, this is embarrassing

>>220827788
He stayed with her after that, and more. So it stands to reason that toleration is “love” in its eyes. He never dumps her, he kills himself, that’s how much of a retarded mentally stunted pussy he is. Who stores a dead cat in a freezer? Bear is a fucking headcase from jump, it stands to reason that his wish and his fucked up interpretation is what turned Nikki crazy. For fucks sake, he’s about to buy her a quartz necklace (Crystal hoes have told me it is a love rock), but doesn’t, because he thinks the easier way to get her is making a wish instead of getting the necklace she hints she wants from him at the start.

>>220827866
>He stayed with her after that, and more.
Yes because he turns into a battered wife. You act like he was fine with all of it. He wasn't he was scared shitless that the demon was unpredictable and would kill him or his friends, which she did end up doing and now he was the one stuck placating the demon. Don't you remember how scared he was to tell her he wanted to go to the party and he was beaten into submission?

Battered wives even go as far as to defend their abusers.

>Oh he was a narcissist

NIGGA HE WAS A SCARED BITCH WHICH WAS HIS ENTIRE CHARACTER SO WHEN CONFRONTED WITH A CRAZY ASS DEMON THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL DO CRAZY SHIT OF COURSE HE FUCKING STAYS IN THE RELATIONSHIP HOLY SHIT YOU ARE BRAIN DEAD
>but doesn’t, because he thinks the easier way to get her is making a wish instead of getting the necklace she hints she wants from him at the start.
Ian told bear to not give her gifts because its too cheesy and lame. So he chooses something safe and unassuming like a silly wish toy. He made the wish not knowing it would work you retard.

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>>220827396
guy didn't stick around unshot long enough for the audience to see if there would be any blowback. the classic one for wishing for an absurd amount of money is to immediately be arrested for money laundering, theft, or some other form of financial crime. he got the money flooding his house and then immediately went to the other house saying it was real and was shot to death. the male lead similarly was excited at first about his wish being granted, though confused by the scene at the car when it's first setting in and unsettled by her immediate change in behavior, but realized the extent of the damage after.

the film repeatedly shows that wishes being a faustian bargain is a common occurrence. the interactions at the store with the salespeople, the insistence on no returns and the one wish nature, and the entire scene with the call help line would have to be edited out for you to insist that the main logical problem here is that the wishes seem to work properly. i took any comment about it working online as an expression of one of the earlier stages of the wish (ie someone wishes their uncle's cancer is cured, cancer is cured, they go online to see if that happened to anyone else, they post glowing praise) before the inevitable swing (you have the cancer now, sorry!). it could also be, you know, a simple comment on the chaos of reviews online with paid reviews, botting, or another lure.

also wishes to manipulate other people especially into love are often portrayed as backfiring even when others don't. best case scenario he would have gotten bored having gotten what he wanted and realizing his fantasy is not reality and that she was not behaving as herself. that girl is whom he was obsessed with, not the demon.

>>220827339
nikki shooting him in the head has no relation to his wish for money.

>>220827427
>>220827489
what are you people doing?

>>220827510
bear had significant underreactions to almost everything she did. frankly it came off like he was being abused. the inversion of villain/victim in social settings is common in abuse dynamics and post-wish she was treated as if she were a constant whose violent terrorizing it was his job to control and was blamed for by others when he didn't. that sort of situation where they're all sitting around quietly in fear of what she will and does do next and blame bear for triggering her anger while making it his responsibility to fix? classic dynamic in groups of volatile malignant narcissists and socio/psychopaths.

i'm really not sure why the clear allegory about male victims of female volatility is being ignored by the exact group that should be championing a realistic portrayal to instead rage online that the film which spent its entire time showing a woman slaughtering/mutilating anyone around the object of her obsession in a jealous rage is saying "men bad". he's not bad for making the wish in the first place, that's something most people would do and it was in a moment of desperation and frustration, his desire is clearly that he wants to get to step b (relationship) without completing step a (expressing the vulnerability that could mean rejection). he isn't bad for not immediately undoing it either, when he tries he's explicitly told the only way to do so is to kill himself or, presumably, kill her. he's trying to delay his own suicide or homicide of her but in doing so her behavior only escalates, this is often common in abuse dynamics with the "if i can't have you...". the isolation from his friends? having them explicitly turn on him as predatory? that's intentional in abuse (especially the latter with male victims) so that he is reliant on the abuser and has no social support network who will help him exit. as he attempts to escape and they realize just what is actually happening she starts outright murdering them.

>>220828271
his moral "crime" here is when she begs for death - and how does he know that isn't the demon trying to trap him, and the correct moral action here is to kill her, really? - his absurd response is to frame her *begging for him to murder her because her body is being used to host a yandere demon that is physically destroying her and everyone around them* as a personal rejection of his love. he's self-centered and values getting to fuck his (nonresponsive, sure make a rape allegory if you want) dream girl by rationalizing that at least, if it isn't really her that loves him and his alternative to this will end in either of their deaths, he can enjoy the affection with a simulacrum of her that he has desired for so long in isolation.

the entire premise of insisting "why did this story not tell me the right and wrong thing to do, it's bad" is absurd to begin with, but if we're humoring it then it's worth noting that everyone's actions here in some respect caused their consequences. like most horror films. either the male or female friend could have piped up at any point about what nikki had been doing and saying prior to her sudden infatuation with bear. any of them could have reasoned that a woman stabbing herself in the face with a glass bottle and being bizarrely territorial of her mate while lying about her father dying of cancer and making "jokes" about eating cats - causing bear to fucking vomit when he reads it - is perhaps not a damsel in need of their saving and bear a dastardly mustache-twirling sexual predator. they did not. they went with the easiest scenario here which is ostracism of whom they consider to be disrupting their vibe, and they despise bear for not controlling nikki better when she is the one who is repeatedly acting out to everyone's discomfort. no one here is unblemished. maybe that's why it's a fucking horror film and the vast majority of them end up brutally murdered at the end?

>>220828157
>someone else actually watched it

>>220828271
>>220828295
bravo someone who understands the film and can articulate very well, better than 90% of the people saying
>duuur bear bad and selfish why didnt he just kill himself or nikki huuur duur

>>220828227
>Nikki shooting him in the head has no relation to his wish for money.
The point is, Bear came to him asking him to use his wish to stop the madness, he made his wish, then went over to Bear's, the person who had made the first wish and caused him to make the billion dollar wish, and died in the midst of the chaos. What I'm trying to say is that Bear's initial wish started a chain of misery that directly led to him being shot in the head. His wish for a billion dollars was just a part of that chain. I really feel like this isn't that difficult to understand.

remember the demon cut his hair while he was asleep, so the demon held a very sharp object around his neck. so of course he is very scared and stays in the relationship. how do people immediately jump onto the bear is entirely at fault, why didnt he simply tell nikki no.

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>>220827809
>you got filtered
Indeed.

>>220828408
>>220828493
right. the entire time she's mowing down everyone around him, covered the doors with duct tape (note how carefully he is attempting not to indicate the insanity of that during that scene to set her off), cooking his dead cat, and as mentioned staring at him from corners while he sleeps and cutting his hair. when he gives any "uh, why did you do that" response she starts crying portraying herself as some sort of pathetic victim who just can't control herself and is going through a really tough time with her not-dying father-she-doesn't-care-about and when that doesn't work going straight into extreme aggression either around him, at him, or at things he loves as punishment. he's terrified, she's a ticking time bomb! this is "bpdemon, literally: the movie". when he tries to put any sort of distance between them even to piss in the bathroom she starts trying to break down the doors, when he says maybe he could sleep alone tonight she gives a monologue about how she'll die if he does so and, to me, seems to imply that if she doesn't die by suicide he will of homicide. then she does start killing people! brutally! my god, the car scene with the brick and the corpse sitting up after when she's wearing the dead girl's clothing and has drawn on her fucking tattoo because she thinks it will make bear love her more! how is any discussion around this at all about whether she was a cheating whore or he was a pathetic incel? oh right, ingrained internet culture war patterns and people only watching clips on tiktok if they watch anything at all and don't just immediately
>react.

>>220828489
i don't disagree with your larger point about bear, i was disagreeing with the assertion that the supposed success of the money wish was invalidated by getting shot five minutes later. the response to you was after three paragraphs of saying the person arguing with you failed to understand the scenes he was citing.

>>220828516
Oh geez, what an embarrassing attempt to cope.

>>220825248
I watched the YMS review after seeing this and all he does is praise the direction and give it a 9 for that. I feel like he missed the part where its just a twilight zone episode with the most basic setup and payoff ever.

>>220828964
>>220828489
on that note i do wish we had gotten to see a little bit more of how demon-nikki's wish for bear to love her back at the end would have played out. i guess you can't really do that without having it undercut the hard transition from fulfillment of a romantic fantasy to his death and then the dispersal of her demon though. i do think bear's entire relationship with the cat was fucking bizarre and underexplored, and was annoyed by the actual suicide by pills itself. pill suicides are notoriously slow and unreliable, that wouldn't have happened in a few minutes like that and was more of a suspension of disbelief, personally, than the entire premise of the magic. it looked like he took an even smaller dosage than the cat accidentally ate. unless the prescription bottle whose writing i didn't get a chance to read said "cyanide".

>>220829009
nikki's demon-induced monologues to bear about the warmth in her body slowly dissipating when he isn't in bed with her as the life drains out and leaves her to rot and the sequence where he reads her writing at the party elevate it imo. the novelty of the plot clearly wasn't the selling point here. it's the execution. it has good cinematography, good score and soundtrack, good direction, and at points good dialogue. the twilight zone often worked from old plots as well. rod serling didn't invent faust. if i had to compare it to recent popular works i'd say it's more, direction-wise, close to the miniseries "something very bad is going to happen" and the films of osgood perkins (the blackcoat's daughter and i am the pretty thing that lives in the house specifically).

>>220825547
He did NOT confirm anything until right before he went out to meet Sarah in her car. That's the first time real Nicki speaks and he questions "what's so bad about being with me?" You want to talk about manipulation and not see that the fake Nicki is also lovebombing and threatening violence constantly? It was about how codependent relationships can be awful for both parties, NOT about consent.

Why I can't stop thinking of her? She looks exactly like my highscool gf.

I could've had this? Dude just end me

Some people don't deserve to be loved.

>>220826408
Anons here did the exact same thing when "The Substance" filtered them which was another Faustian deal story

There's a lot of really dumb posters on this website who have convinced themselves they're smart because they read /pol/ infographs and believed them uncritically

>>220828516
>Nothing but "no u" for the last two replies
Yeah get bent retard

>>220828964
Fair enough, I still personally think it wasn't successful because it led to him getting killed and he presumably didn't have time to spend any of it in the time between the wish and getting shot, but I see what you're saying.

>>220829071
I personally liked it, mainly because it was interesting to see the near-realization of an "ideal relationship" between two demon-people cut short by the weight of everything Nikki had done pushing Bear to that point. I feel like it drove home the point that Bear was the one with the true obsession, and Nikki was left to pick up the pieces following his demise. Even if it was unrealistic how quickly he died from ODing

1. Free Will is it not be interfered with
2. Wishing, magic or manifestation is devil worship
3. Only God decides outcomes

>>220829387
>>220829426
>>220829869
oh boy the schizos have arrived

>>220829530
i need to finish the substance. it's an interesting film and i want to support mubi after using it for so long but god it is difficult to sit through from the audio alone. i get that was an intentional artistic choice and it has been praised extensively for it, but it's like listening to early joanna newsom or digital witness-era st vincent for the first time. just gotta grit your way through it and end up loving it on the other end, i guess.

>>220829834
honestly i figured that the logical outcome of his wish was that the serial numbers on the money would have been associated with attempted laundering for child sex trafficking or arms to international terrorist orgs. i was never considering a scenario where he just had the money and everything worked out fine. he was shot only minutes later, we didn't get to see what his twist would have been. probably more creative than that though, those are pretty generic.

i liked it as well for the same reason, i was just curious how it would have played out. when he smiled and walked to her i immediately thought about "natural born killers", ian brady and myra hindley, or fred and rosemary west. more of a "oh great, there's two of them" in shared (funny) games of sadism, obsession, insecurity, and control inflicted on each other and, devastatingly, others than anything.
>and Nikki was left to pick up the pieces following his demise.
i did like this a lot. there's really no way out of her final scene other than immediate life incarceration (or the death penalty) or imminent suicide. even if she magically lived and somehow got off she's forever psychologically broken. and it was a nice subversion seeing her appear to be genuinely happy for a moment after all of that terror. though the concept of the demon being able to make a wish... now that opens an entire new avenue for discussion. after all, it clearly wasn't nikki's wish.

>NOOOOOO freaky nikki dont choke on my cock NOOOOO not hardcore sex again NOOOOO
zoomer horror is shit

>>220829869
The movie doesn't explore this at all tho.
it literally just replaces her with a demon who behaves entirely inconsistently and then things just happen through a contrived set of circumstances with no rhyme or reason.
if she were actually manipulated like >>220826837 through getting a dopamine response from being around him, then denial of free will implications could have been explored and she could be an actual character.
nothing about the wishes or how they function is explored at all either or God for that matter. You can't claim any of those 3 things are a valid theme or message.

>Movie is supposed to make you feel ashamed for wishing for unconditional love
It just made me love yanderes even more

>>220831322
you seriously watched that and found the demon to be behaving inconsistently with no rhyme or reason and things just happening? you think the entire scene of her at the car in the beginning and the scene of her in the bed begging for death had no implications about free will?

>>220831020
name a good horror film

>>220831341
>It just made me love yanderes
That's not what the "wish" ends up turning her into.
what movie did you watch? it was no doubt a much better movie.

>>220831445
why are you putting wish in scare quotes? the demon is by definition yandere

>>220825248
There's absolutely no chance I'm watching this after getting burned by Longlegs and The Substance.

>>220831431
Free will from demon possession like the millions of other demon possession films.
Not free will from the "love potion" trope. Which only manipulates one aspect of her perspective and does not replace her entire consciousness.
One is nuanced and potentially interesting the other is not.

>>220831484
what didn't you like about longlegs?

>>220831542
The second half was really bad. Everything with the dolls/occult lacked payoff and felt rushed.

>>220831508
really don't think the film was centered around any sort of question of "is she doing this out of her free will" anon. she was pretty emphatically not doing that.
>demon possession or faustian bargain tropes
what part of this is nuanced to begin with? nothing about this film was marketed as being a brand new idea. or did you see an ad campaign whose central premise was "be careful what you wish for" and think it was trying to be anything other than an execution of what you'd expect? it's subgenre. it wasn't marketed as a subversion of genre.

>>220825248
>I'M ACTING

>>220831575
i disagree about it being really bad but i agree with you that it didn't have as much payoff as i'd like, especially with the murderess. i would have liked a bit more on the investigative use of psychic abilities by intelligence as well, but at that point it would be a different film. it felt very "silence of the lambs" in the beginning but less so at the end imo. perkins is better when he uses ambiguity and dread to convey the occult as he did in his earlier films, though i liked the unusual color grading and sparseness of the cinematography. it was very moody, like all of his prior work, but giving him a bigger budget and bigger names seems to work to his detriment. nic cage was also a bit off-kilter with his acting, but i suppose that was intentional to portray just how unpredictable of a character this was from an emotional angle. still that always begs the question of how someone so unstable is able to operate without interruption for so long which can make or break conspiracy framing depending on how the larger narrative shows this asset being utilized for controlled chaos.

honestly i really didn't like the familial maternal connections. they felt forced.

>>220831600
>what part of this is nuanced to begin with?
the film that I saw? it was not nuanced at all because it was completely devoid of any sense or intelligence and just riddled with bad writing.>>220831600

Just like with FF7R just because you claim you did a marketing scam with false adverting "on purpose"
Doesn't mean that the final product can't be called out for being a pile of dogshit that is magnitudes worse than the product that was advertises.

The film was marketed as a story about a girl who's love gets out of control with a "be careful what you wish for" theme. The actual film about a generic demonic possession is an inferior pile of shit no matter how much you try to defend it with
>c'mon man it was subversion
>you thought is was going to be a good movie and we subverted your expectations by making it shit.

>>220831716
Completely agree with you about the family connection to the cult. I basically checked out at that point. It's not scary for the cult to have some rube goldberg style plan to control her for decades, it's just a dumb groanworthy trope. Also hated her partner becoming possessed/evil for the climax. It felt like they ran out of plot/budget and had to reuse an existing character to salvage the film.

So this is like Pet Sematary, but with living people and the monkey's paw element is just tacked on?

>>220826657
St. Floyd stayed at the crime scene.

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>Has a loving devoted girlfriend waiting on him hand and foot at home
>still tries to cheat on her
What is wrong with moids?

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>>220832314
soo many things feel tacked on and shallow.

>>220832344
to be fair he was way too high to drive.

>>220832411
Fuck off back to crystal cafe.

>>220831792
do you read the posts you reply to? i specifically said it was not a subversion and that the marketing was blatant about it being a wish gone wrong. the fact it involved a demon causing love to get out of control doesn't negate that. you're arguing against shadows.

>what part of this is nuanced to begin with? nothing about this film was marketed as being a brand new idea. or did you see an ad campaign whose central premise was "be careful what you wish for" and think it was trying to be anything other than an execution of what you'd expect? it's subgenre. it wasn't marketed as a subversion of genre.

>>220832344
>>220832411
>>220832425
>>220832518
So did you guys like or dislike the movie?

>>220832314
The monkey's paw element is the entire point. But you know what anon, I do wish that half-eaten cat had come back later in the movie. Vengeance for Sandy!

>>220825248
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH THE GIRL I LOVE LOVES ME NIGGERMAN PLEASE HELP ME

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You need to be assertive when dealing with Latinxs

>>220833679
Hi Anonymous! The "Niggerman" in this film is actually a white woman! That's actually a great twist though, what if every white woman is either possessed by a demonic murderous entity OR is a black man inside? Do you think the black men or "niggerman" would then be white women inside as well? What is their relationship to the family canine?

>>220828157
>Ian told bear to not give her gifts because its too cheesy and lame.
what was up with the diner scene at the beginning, why are we not addressing this. do people normally pull over random waitresses to practice their love confessions? ngl i think ian was intentionally fucking bear over the entire time to keep sticking it in nikki.

>>220825692
This.
>>220825707
Doesn't really matter to be desu he's right. It's similar to how Gone Girl is a worse movie for focusing on the thriller aspects than on the dynamics of male and female relationships i.e. why men get bored of married pussy, why women will stay with cheaters, etc.

>>220826300
>she insisted on sex only the way she wanted (her on top) every single time for 1.5 years
It's mostly because your white ass has no rhythm. Also rookie mistake is when girls say they're close to cumming guys tend to speed up which can affect your angle of entry.

When my wife gets close to cumming she says "do it do it do it", and I know to move into her preferred position and we try to cum together.

>>220825561
What's this fucking agenda against men for fuck sake, I just don't understand why this malignant hatred, Why they want to remove the nicer aspect of Men.

>>220833624
>the fact it involved a demon causing love to get out of control doesn't negate that.
Yes it does you stupid faggot "be careful what you wish for" does not apply because it literally did not do what he wished for.
He did not wish to summon a random demon to love him.
After his wish the person he wished to love him still did not love him in fact it made that person all but disappear which is just about the complete opposite of his wish.

>>220833751
>It's similar to how Gone Girl is a worse movie for focusing on the thriller aspects than on the dynamics of male and female relationships i.e. why men get bored of married pussy, why women will stay with cheaters, etc.
GREAT bait. Misunderstanding basic film analysis will always be guaranteed to get a thousand replies calling you an idiot that you can sit back and laugh at. And weaving in gender war content knowing it will piss off both sides? Masterful. Chef's kiss. Mwah. I hope that sounds enough like an irritating AI for you. I can start talking like a zoom zoom if that helps, like how talking in the third person does when simulating support.
>>220825692
>THAT'S LITERALLY NOT WHAT HE WISHED FOR
Damn, if only someone said "be careful what you wish for" at any time in the film or the marketing material! Like, almost as if people not getting what they wished for was some sort of common theme in media? Maybe in the movie?

>>220825918
Natalie Portman

>>220833903
I'm not baiting anything. Gone Girl is a worse movie for focusing on the thriller aspects than on the dynamics of male and female relationships i.e. why men get bored of married pussy, why women will stay with cheaters, etc. The Neil Patrick Harris stuff was boring because you knew where it was going. The scene where the ex boyfriend said Rosamund Pike's character was always unstable was lame minor foreshadowing so the murder scene isn't so out of left field. I hope you're not telling me you liked the parts I'm talking about because what the fuck dude.

>>220833902
i like that you glided straight past my point about you arguing with me over a fantasy in your own head where i somehow said the exact opposite of what i did. you can scroll back up and read them. i reposted them for you.

i agree with the other anon, you do seem autistic but in the boring literal-minded way where you can't seem to understand what anyone else is saying. it's like this is your first encounter with a story or something. damn, do you think maybe those other people who made wishes didn't get what they were wishing for either? if only there were multiple characters in the movie who say that explicitly... the one wish willow company seemed like it was so trustworthy and above-board!

to be fair, having a demon as a girlfriend versus an actual girl is probably less evil

>>220833975
They literally did you retard >>220826837
The protagonist is the only one who's shown to have his wish actively disobeyed an not granted. Without a valid reason why something entirely idfferent was done for him in particular.
You are not capable of rational thought. You are only capable of defending the current slop.

>>220826300
pics?

>>220825248
100x'd its budget already and it's beating a Star Wars movie in its second weekend. I think the moral of the story is you should all be making low budget horror films and getting rich like every other internet person instead of whining about them online.
That or just man up and ask out somebody if you like them. Go have kids and save the white race.

>>220833975
You're a fucking moron if you think a random demonic possession was exactly what was advertised and fits the message of "be careful what you wish for".
Which is what you were claiming.
don't move the goal posts to "yeah be careful what you wish for because I might not listen and do something else entirely."

>>220833960
It's an entire film about gender dynamics of male and female relationships. It hits you over the head with it the entire time. It has the entire "cool girl" monologue. Why men get bored of married pussy and women will stay with cheaters is the most shallow possible reading of the gender dynamics. It's about control and entitlement, both Nick and Amy's. Not to mention Desi's. They're going to ruin that kid she ends up pregnant with too just like both Nick and Amy's parents ruined them. The scene about Amy being unstable was used as a replacement for a scene in the book where Amy manipulates and tortures a woman in a similar way. The clear point is about control and the manipulation of perspective, we see the media act as hungry vultures to frame Nick and Amy frame herself as a victim of domestic abuse, then frame her actual victimhood in being kidnapped to excuse her murder of Desi and present herself as a heroine. The story was based on watching how the Laci and Scott Peterson case played out especially with media framing. This could not possibly be more obvious than the Nancy Grace-esque character played by Missi Pyle who cravenly uses Amy and other actual missing and murdered women and children for ratings. If you're seriously focused on the male vs female framing as many idiots have been, you have completely fallen into the story's trap. And Amy's. Her sociopathy transcends gender binaries, she only ever weaponizes it and their fundamental conflict is that she deeply resents Nick for wanting her to abide by male/female marriage roles even as she performs it for him, assuming it will give her control over him in the relationship. He cheats anyway. That is why she is so pissed off. She considers it the ultimate in low iq male entitlement. If Nick had done what Amy did to her - she would have fucking LOVED him. She ONLY gets excited when he starts doing so later because she finds it a form of game of manipulation with them as a team.

>>220834062
>The protagonist is the only one who's shown to have his wish actively disobeyed an not granted.
you watched the film, saw the entire sequences of him fleeing to the store owner and looking online to see people's reactions, calling the helpline, and got this from it? wow.

>>220834123
actually i said
>what part of this is nuanced to begin with? nothing about this film was marketed as being a brand new idea. or did you see an ad campaign whose central premise was "be careful what you wish for" and think it was trying to be anything other than an execution of what you'd expect? it's subgenre. it wasn't marketed as a subversion of genre.
which is me insulting the entire premise of this film as being anything other than a generic monkey's paw or demonic possession film. i said it was clearly what it was advertised, which was that, and implied nothing subversive or revolutionary past slick directing. not my fault you're overly emotionally invested in statements of fact by online strangers and allow your reactions to cloud your ability to read. did you buy 35 tickets to this and are pissed off about it or something? why do you care so much about something that is the equivalent of buying something labeled "blue sock" and being irritated it was cerulean instead of azure?

>>220834228
>i said it was clearly what it was advertised
Cope. You're just wrong. Psycho GF is what was advertised but that's not what the film is.

>>220834141
Ty for mentioning their names.
>cool girl monologue
Why did Amy feel the need to be a cool girl? Why do women give into men's demands?
>The clear point is about control and the manipulation of perspective
Yes and that's not interesting to me. As your post outlines, it's a story about Amy's sociopathy and control of the narrative of how the relationship is presented, not why men and women do what they do to each other.
>she deeply resents Nick for wanting her to abide by male/female marriage roles even as she performs it for him, assuming it will give her control over him in the relationship. He cheats anyway
Whoa whoa I haven't read the novel but we actually don't see anything like that in the film. There is no scene where Nick says
>I want you to stop working so I can provide for us
or something more subtle. Nick cheats because, well, we don't actually know. That's my problem. The impetus for Amy to concoct her plot is because of the house of cards building up to the cheating, but why did Nick get complacent? Why did Nick cheat? Why does Amy need manipulation to get her rocks off?
>Because she's a sociopath
That's not good enough because now it's a story about one sociopathic woman and not a wonderance on women in general.

I'm not interested in men vs women as a dumb monkey you silly I'm interested in the why people do what they do. Did Amy acquiesce to Nick's lacking of passion as the marriage went on because she thought it'd make her better than her mother's storybook character? What were Amy's parents like in her childhood? Was her dad like Nick? In Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf (1966), we finally hear mere minutes before the finale that (major spoilers, just know that what's behind these black bars is the sort of thing I'm after), her son was killed in WW2. I didn't need anything that dramatic in Gone Girl, but I needed more than this segue of media control and murder. It's a fine thriller, but it could have been more.

Wishmaster and Leprechaun were beyyer at subverting wishes.

>>220831020
She was doing weird shit like standing motionless in the corner of the room, screaming at the top of her lungs in public, and pissing herself standing up. Although that last one might be a bonus.

There was a shitposting thread a few days ago where the OP obnoxiously was talking like a faggot but his point as a whole was cogent in that if the main dude had been Brad Pitt or whomever she wouldn't be freaking out trying to make noise, she would have just laid back and let herself be fucked by Brad Pitt. Her real self saw that it was just a regular ass dude and not chad so she wanted to break free.

>>220826148
That’s cuz you’re ugly dude.

>>220826837
Wishes work out for chads and not fore beta losers simple logic really

>>220825634
>Until around 600 years ago (curiously when Freemasons and South-Eastern European Jews took hold of systemic control of the Earth)
>White people didn't reach peak of their power until jews and masons got involved
What does he mean by that?

The wishes make complete sense btw. The more confident one is in themselves the more the wish obeys their command. The movie is literally about how being a self-possessed pitiable incel makes you a loser on a cosmic law scale. Just a fact of life.

>>220825547
>he would have still been taking away all her agency and essentially brainwashing her to get her to love him
This is bullshit the movie inserted into his mouth to make him the bad guy. No part of his wish innately requires that. He didn't literally ask for a sex slave.

>>220834664
It's saying all men want is sex

>>220834527
That's a nice head canon to explain bad writing but it's cope.

Who's the dead girl when he returns to the house (1:36:43 on Upcloud)? Is she supposed to be the Asian who got killed in the car?

>>220834664
Love potions and spells are coercion anon.

>>220834713
Seeing as her head is caved in I would assume so. Also if you look closely Nikki grafts the remains of her hair onto her own and draws Sarah’s tattoos on her own body

>>220834713
Yes retard. She's the only person in the plot that has been killed at that point.

>>220834755
I did notice the tattoos, but I didn't catch they were the Asian's. I thought I has missed them. That makes sense.

>>220834837
It was my assumption, but I found it weird that him having to help her hide the body turned into her taking the body into their home.

>>220825248
Actual message:

>men who are afraid of rejection are cowards and would rape a woman if they could get away with it

>>220834890
The movie has no coherency in general. Almost everything she says is dropped and nothing is followed up on.
She did say "She's ready" so she just obviously stripped her naked and put her on display in the house. It makes no real sense that she needed to drive her to wherever that place was first just to drive her back on her own. Scenes just happen irrespective of each other like they didn't know how to edit a coherent plot.
for example right before his friend is shot he comes and knocks on the door saying
>dude I got a billion dollars!
He knows this. He just saw you make the wish and the money rain down and then presumably you both just drove to his house together? almost like this scene was from a different cut of the movie where he made the wish while away from the protag.
how are the writers this incompetent?

It's also pretty abysmal writing that the the demon is shown to know how to drive, socialize, make food, and has a full understanding of human behavior perfectly fine but then randomly does weird shit for no reason other than being creepy.

>>220825248
You can't truly love someone and also control them

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>>220825248
She was a bitch and got what she deserved for stringing him along.
Imagine mind-warping him just so you can call him up to be an emotional sponge about quitting your job.
>>220835183
Amazing shot that one. The movie seemed to take inspiration from Pulse.

>>220835382
He used that walk in his horror short that he did that was definitely reused some concepts with obsession

>>220835328
I now have a latina fetish

>>220835174
>but then randomly does weird shit for no reason other than being creepy.
i haven't seen the movie but the discourse seems to be that's the original girl trying to break free.

Not all movies need to have a message or moral. Jesus christ

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>this happens

>>220825248
A couple:

> Be careful what you wish for

> Relationships/love is about putting yourself out there and there's no "magical cheat code" that will get you a perfect one. Either shoot your shot or move on

> Proper communication is the bedrock for stable relationships

> You can't force somebody to love you

>>220835547
it's not.
she recites a creepy poem
she makes a scene
she cooks a dead cat and makes a sandwich out of it.
she stands still in the middle of the house for a whole day and shits and pisses herself.
it's the demon doing those things. The girl tends to call for help and try to kill herself the few times she gets control.

>>220835174
She acted normal when he liked her but when he started feeling differently when she lied about her dad it changed silly anon

>>220825248
Women are incapable of love, not even magical wishes can make it real

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>>220835834
>She acted normal when he liked her.
that's not true at all she made a ritual blood alter of the cat the very first night.

>>220835880
wow she's a complete whore....
that's great!

>I wish for a billion dollars
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Brutal scream.

>>220835919
>wow she's a complete whore
I know I like her a lot less now :(

>>220825248
can't believe this beta had the audacity to think of nikki romantically. he should have just been there to be dragged to trivia nights and give her rides home

>>220831630
was it really this if women act like this irl

>>220825547
This is why women hated pickup artists. They present a false version of themselves to trick women into bed. You brainwashed her into thinking you were Chad when you're not actually Chad. It's pretty much rape

>>220825248
Way better movie than the Midrooms.

Curry Barker is a brain dead zoom zoom. listened to him on the Big Picture podcast. He has no thematic intent regarding "nice guys" or "incel culture."

>>220825248
Don't date BPD girls, that's basically it.

>I wish she loved me
>the willow tree: alright, she's gonna piss and shit herself, feed you your dead cat, read demonic riddles at parties, and kill your other friends
>curry barker: it's not an evil trinket i swear

>>220825248
Great movie, but I'm kind of bitter towards it. Because this is the kind of movie we should be getting all the fucking time. Low-budget 90 minute film from a young talent. Simple premise, excellent execution with real character substance. Something you really talk about on the car ride home. This is how movies used to be, but now a film like Obsession is a rarity you really have to savor because it won't come again.

>>220827086
we see how caught up Bear is in his feelings and he genuinely wants to be a good friend and cares for Nikki. He's even rehearsing speaking to her. We see him alone and still thinking of her that night his cat dies. Meanwhile people online are calling him a rapist incel, like what. he seems like the most normal guy ever.

honestly i thought he was to attempt to kill her and not like, OD himself in pills

>>220827245
I learned this lesson hardcore as someone who is extremely oversensitive. Gave my heart to someone I matched perfectly with and who is still the most beautiful person I ever met. All she did was lead me on and then throw me away after false promises that she would reciprocate. And I kept going for the ruse because I was too emotional and desperate to have a romantic life with someone. My friends all told me the same thing afterwards, I should have been an asshole to her instead.

>>220835880
My wife and her sister also go bra less and dance to music around the house while doing chores. Is it a light skin latina thing?

>>220836340
they're not all great movies but there are plenty of horror flicks coming out all the time since it's such a cheap genre to film in with audiences having such low standards that it's easy to turn a profit.
if you stay caught up then you'll run into some diamonds here and there.

>>220836465
Do they also wear tanktops because my latina gf does while dancing around

>>220836494
I think zoomer males are gonna come to a conclusion eventually that Latinas are the way to go. They marry more, they're more intimate with men, they're all assimilated. It's race treason but it's easier than the alternative, the modern liberal white woman

My friends foid gf (i third wheeled) says she thought bear was a good guy

>>220836536
There is no greater threat to white people than white women. They voted to import the refugees in the 2010s, they vote on immigration policies, etc. I was seeing a white woman recently, and the second she said she wouldn't let me eat her ass, I bounced.

>>220829009
A good 90 minute Twilight Zone episode is all you need. The majority of movies in the 2020s are $200 million flops, if you haven't noticed.

duct tape door scene was so fucking good

Saw this posted here and saved it because I like tripping.

you are describing the One Wish Willow as a “monkey’s paw”, you are wrong. It is not a cursed item that can only deliver a negative version of a wish. When Ian wishes for a billion dollars, he simply receives money that falls out of the sky. The male shopkeeper also told Bear that he “already got his wish”, and as far as we can tell he seems perfectly content as well. There’s also the fake Reddit where one of the posters confirming the OWW really works excitedly says his mom used to be ugly and now she’s really hot.

The problem with Bear’s wish was simply *Bear’s wish*. He didn’t wish for a billion dollars, or to become more attractive. He wished *for another living, existing, conscious human being to be changed so she loves him more than “anyone else in the fucking world”*. This wish, by its very definition, violates Nikki’s autonomy. There is no benign or “good” way to grant this wish. You cannot make a person feel that strongly about another person without literally changing who they are- indeed, changing their entire being. Nikki does not love Bear more than anyone else in the fucking world. The only way to make her do that is to replace her with another being who does, and have that being drive around in her body.

The creature or entity that the wish spawned ended up being depraved and indifferent to humanity because the *wish itself was depraved and indifferent to her humanity*. The creature is not a “demon”, it is simply a reflection of the wish Bear made. An inhuman wish and obsessive desire spawned an inhuman entity with an equally obsessive desire. There is no “OWW curse”- the curse is Bear’s wish, period.

>>220825460
Based.
Bear was a pussy.
Nikki even likes him but Bear was too much of a coward to even ask her out.
Bear is a PoS pussy and never takes responsibility; Not even for killing his cat.
Then he died like his cat. A pussy.

>>220825561
True and anti incel pilled

>>220836356
She tell him to kill her before the demon comes back.
and his first thought is not to ask about the demon, not say he'll help her, not to say he'll kill himself to save her instead to atone for what he did (even tho he very explicitly didn't wish for a demon and the plot is fucking stupid)
but to ask "what's so bad about being with me?" in a very self absorbed childish tone.

He sucks.

>>220825460
>>220836706
is it right wing to get friendzoned?

>>220836676
Thanks for posting this. When this happens to me, I'll be more specific:
>I want her to love me more than anyone else in the fucking world and you cannot make her a demon, or hostile and / or depraved in ways not conducive to a stable relationship.

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>>220836494
>Do they also wear tanktops because my latina gf does while dancing around
Yes, and they like to wear "fancy" tanktops when we go out.

Also I mentioned to her how hot Motoko's outfit in pic related looks, so she bought high cut one piece lingerie to wear with her booty shorts or jeans. She loves it when I put my hands on that gap area and kiss it.

>>220836536
>they're more intimate with men
There were a few castizas I worked with that were very touchy feely with me, even though they had boyfriends at the time and even in front of their boyfriends. I never got any sexual vibes from them, so I treated them like adorable little sisters.

Sure fire way to tell if a latina is into you is if she cooks specifically for you. Difference between her making a whole chocoflan for you and her sharing a piece with you during lunch.

>>220836676
it's true. the real takeaway is that bear was thinking too much about himself. you want the feeling of having a girl attached to you and loving you, but you don't think about her and how to deal with her. if you adjust the kind of person you are especially when approaching something as important as a relationship, that's the only way it succeeds -- compassion. bear didn't do that, he asked for pure passion alone.

>>220836676
Should have wished to have his cum, sweat, saliva have an addictive nicotine effect. Just hug her a few times, then hold hands, leading her to be addicted to creampies and facials.

>>220836676
>>220836906
Just think of it as being in the same world as Bruce Almighty. You can't alter free will, so the demon was created instead. I'm right btw this movie is now in Bruce Almighty's world.

>>220836706
to his credit he eventually killed himself instead of killing her.
he must have realized he had less value than her.

>>220836676
>only way to make her do that is to replace her with another being
that's not granting his wish at all. he wished NIKKI loved him. not some unnamed demon.
the willow tree can make a billion dollars appear from nowhere but it can't simply stimulate dopamine in Nikkis brain when she's around bear?
LOL fuck right off.

>>220836676
Nah that's faulty I gotta agree with Phil, there. A billion dollars out of nowhere would fuck up the local economy something fierce, fucking with countless individuals. The tree can do that but not make the girl love him? Can't alter her brain, has to replace her brain? Hogwash innit.

>>220825248
Who gives a fuck? Why do you retards watch this slop?

>>220837191
Thanks for the bump :^)

>>220825918
Those nips are ready to feed a generation. Hopefully she goes topless soon.

>>220837191
Who gives a fuck? Why do you incels lurk this boardslop?

>>220825918
her tits are not that huge and ready to poke someones eye out in the movie.. or here >>220835880
what gives?

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>>220825248
No i think it was more just
>"Dudes dont use roofies to make a girl want to suck your dick"
IF you have to put a """moral""" to it.
Alternatively you could just stop trying to read in some preachy bullshit that doesn't exist and just accept as a face value exploration of the logical implications of a wish basically every dude has had in his life.

>>220837287
>lurk
You're responding to a post he made so that doesn't make sense. Are all horroslop troons this stupid?

>>220837463
NOOOOOOOOO THE WILLOW DIDN'T GRANT HIS WISH EXACTLY AS HE WANTED IT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO WISH ROOFIE GIRLS

>>220837502
>You're responding to a post he made so that doesn't make sense. Are all horroslop troons this stupid?
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. Are you incapable of grasping my metaphor because you're a thirdworld shitskin?

>>220837374
Look at her arms in the big tit webm, and look at her body in the other webm.
She was much chubbier in the big tit webm. Usually that means bigger boobs if you dont have fucked genetics

>>220825248
Why are people shitting on bear, he just made a wish, its not his fault it came true, is it just because he fucked her? I don't really see why anyone wouldn't especially if they're like throwing fits at that point, he'd genuinely be in danger if he refused to have sex with her

>>220837669
So you're saying if I impregnate her repeatedly she will have gigantic tits?

>everyone says this movie is great and not woke
>the bad guy is the incel and she is perfectly innocent
It was 100% woke. I guess everyone can be bought.

>>220837877
100% this. The movie should have been about a gigachad making the wish, and the moral of the story is about how gigachads who are just as unhappy as we us incels AND they are greedy as fuck even though they have way much more than us.

>>220837761
Only if she doesnt breastfeed constantly

>>220837929
Actually would have been a million times more interesting had a chad made the wish. Some dude who can get ANY girl he wants but this one. Actually would have been way better, I agree.

>>220837877
Both girls in his friend group wanted to date him (nikki and sarah), he was just too pussy to do anything about either. It's not leftists fault that you're a coward

>>220837877
Holy shit. That may be the whole reason for the nonsensical demon possession aspect.
so she can remain innocent and have no accountability despite all the shit the writers wanted to have her do.
I'm betting in the original draft there was no demon and it was tacked on later for this reason.

>>220837985
There are no demons in the movie.

>>220837959
>you're a coward
I am not in the movie, anon.
>>220837985
I'm sure that is the case. They were too big of pussies to make a woman an actual bad guy. All women are innocent.

>>220837751
yes, sex is bad in our warped libtard moral system because it implies a power imbalance of men being dominant and all inequality must be destroyed. this is literally why these twitter faggots are shitting on bear

Hokum was a million times better than this faggoty garbage. Hokum's Directors previous film, Oddity was also excellent.

>>220838005
You identify with the coward in the movie, genius

>>220838095
No I don't. Sounds like you're projecting.

>>220837959
>>220837877
>>220837929
>adjusts glasses
Achyually its anti-woke. It's a subtle critique about how feminism has ruined dating culture because of "consent". Things like catcalling are barely a thing anymore. You need a high IQ like me to see it, so I'll dumb it down.

It's like how your parents raised you to not answer the door for strangers when you're home alone because they don't want you to get kidnapped. Yet even as an adult you have an innate fear of answering the door. Even delivery drivers are scared of ringing doorbells. I get deliveries about 2 times week and the only people that actually ring my doorbell are Jehovah's Witnesses.

Although all these girls want to date him; Bear is afraid of ruining the friend group and being ostracized, if he's wrong about the girls being interested in him at all.

>>220838105
lmao, (you)wrote this >>220837877

>>220837929
>>220837952
That actually would have been a better movie.

>>220838145
Yeah and didnt write this>>220838095

>>220838158
Yeah

>>220834275
why would i "cope" about you being stupid, i'm not your mom

oh boy time to check the rest of this thread and see if it got better or worse, i'm betting worse

>>220836676
though we disagree on the sentiment of whether the money wish would have eventually backfired or not and the general nature of the one wish willow, i really like your analysis! your framing makes me think of this more as a tales from the crypt episode or a more traditional fable than the faust/monkey's paw/demon framing that this thread (including me) has been previously using. it frames the willow and associated magic in more classical framing of magic, where it entirely depends on what the person attempting to use it is actually trying to do with the magic itself being more of an arbiter of judgement when enacting it. you're right, the entire problem here was *what* he wished for and why. even the entity itself doesn't come off as entirely malicious near the end. she comes off as desperate and actually hurt once she's killed the female friend and dressed in her clothing. it doesn't in any way, yknow, make the fucking murder okay but she is obsessed with him and wants his love. if he was obsessed enough to use magic to try to make her love him (and frankly i think a detracting component to this theory is mostly centered around the fact he really didn't seem to think the wish was going to do anything) it makes sense that it would spawn something equally as obsessed. it literally uses the willow at the end itself to make bear love it. the fact that the *fucking entity constantly slaughtering people, cooking cats, and mutilating itself* waited until the end of the film to use a wish itself strongly supports your theory of the wish being the depravity.

>>220825248
heh

>>220837985
>>220838005
>>220838010
god is this what the whole site is now no matter the topic. you people are worse than reddit or tumblr at their social justice peaks. all you do is make everything about woke or anti-woke. who gives a shit, there are other things to talk about

>>220838124
kek'd hard at this one though gj. can we point out how stupid the casting of bear was in this. absolute chad over here is supposed to be getting cucked by ian? please

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Is she too pretty for Hollywood?

>>220825460
>hot women are so fundamentally repulsed by you that wishing for one to love you can only be interpreted as you wanting a human puppet of her
It’s at least demoralization.

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Oh so that's what this movie is about? .
The only tags I read are language:english female:mind_control so I might give it a shot

>>220838332
oh i'm retarded that was someone else's post. whatever it's still more interesting than latina talk. that bitch does NOT look latina.
>>220836890
>I want her to love me more than anyone else in the fucking world and you cannot make her a demon, or hostile and/or depraved in ways not conducive to a stable relationship, and you cannot make her able to harm a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, she must obey orders given to her by me except when said orders would conflict with the previous anti-harm instructions, and she must protect her own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the previous instructions.
you gotta make it one super long sentence or else it doesn't work bro

>>220825248
The message is goycattle will watch literally anything

The guy should have just been gay. He wouldn't have had to wish. He's attractive and will find an equally attractive gay. He can avoid women altogether.

>>220835382
>>220835419
all the scenes with her face obscured by shadow were pretty kino, especially when she was hiding in shots and it wasn't clear where at first. heightened the occult atmosphere significantly. the jagged walking was cool too but overused by the end to the point it became a joke. flower pot scene was a bit useless too.

>>220834346
>Why did Amy feel the need to be a cool girl? Why do women give into men's demands?
This was explained in the movie. It's explained even more in the book.
>that's not interesting to me.
Okay.
>Whoa whoa I haven't read the novel but we actually don't see anything like that in the film.
This is the entire sequence of them moving to the suburbs. She says she doesn't want to move out of NYC, he wants to move to be with his dying family, she relents, she hates it, she keeps making concessions and is rewarding by him finding that "newer, younger, bouncier cool girl".

>When I met Nick Dunne I knew he wanted "Cool girl". And for him, I'll admit: I was willing to try. I wax-stripped my pussy raw. I drank canned beer watching Adam Sandler movies. I ate cold pizza and remained a size two. I blew him, semi-regularly. I lived in the moment. I was fucking game. I can't say I didn't enjoy some of it. Nick teased out in me things I didn't know existed. A lightness, a humor, an ease. But I made him smarter. Sharper. I inspired him to rise to my level. I forged the man of my dreams.
>We were happy pretending to be other people. We were the happiest couple we knew. And what's the point of being together if you're not the happiest? But Nick got lazy. He became someone I did not agree to marry. He actually expected me to love him unconditionally. Then he dragged me, penniless, to the navel of this great country and found himself a newer, younger, bouncier cool girl. You think I'd let him destroy me and end up happier than ever? No fucking way. He doesn't get to win. My cute, charming, salt-of-the-earth Missouri guy. He needed to learn. Grown-ups work for things. Grown-ups pay. Grown-ups suffer consequences.

>>220834346
>>220838568
Nick cheats because he feels emasculated by Amy. He wants to prove he is a successful man and not his father by getting married but he then resents his lack of freedom with a wife. He likes having someone young and beautiful who thinks he is smart and cool. It makes him feel young and free.

>Did Amy acquiesce to Nick's lacking of passion as the marriage went on because she thought it'd make her better than her mother's storybook character?
She wanted to live up to the image of Amazing Amy. Amazing Amy gets married and has a happy life. Amazing Amy stays beautiful, thin, and ages gracefully. Amazing Amy has a successful marriage. Amazing Amy wouldn't have a husband who would cheat on her, and Amazing Amy would never humiliate herself by letting anyone know if he did.
>What were Amy's parents like in her childhood?
They wrote Amazing Amy to replace their daughter and give her something she could never live up to. She literally says in the film that whenever she has a failure in her life or any sort of setback her parents immediately wrote a book where Amazing Amy succeeded in the exact same scenario and was adored for it. She wants something that was hers in a form of rebellion against their control and Nick was someone she chose whom she felt was like her. She looks down on other people, so does he. They stimulate each other. She resents him for trying to, effectively, contain her to play second fiddle to him and he resents always feeling smaller and less intelligent compared to her. He wants to feel like an intelligent, strong man and when he is with an intelligent, strong woman he does not. When an intelligent, strong woman is with a weak man she despises him, but if he's weak from the start she just steamrolls him and keeps him around for cash. Amy is angry at Nick because she knows he can be better and she hates that she feels he is making her make him be better when he could do it on his own because he has before.

>>220825248
only children need messages in movies

It was awkward to watch this movie as someone who knows a girl that has a crush on me and would definitely be super into me if I went for her but I choose not to.

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>>220837374
weight loss; the big tit webms are from 2021

>>220834346
>>220838651
She hates that he chose an *inferior* woman to cheat with. It makes him typical and predictable and to her standards of morality that is the ultimate moral disgust. If he chose someone of her stature it would make her compare herself to them, but all she feels is repulsion at his choice in affair partner, especially when she feels that he thinks (or the girl does) that he can supplant her with this new one. It makes her feel like she was never Amy to him, just "a woman" who can be exchanged with a newer model. "A younger, bouncier Cool Girl". The sugar scene alone disgusts her because it means that moment was never a special one between them, it was a script he had likely used before and has used since.

Something I think is lost in the book-to-film translation is that Amy despises male/female dynamics. In the book her passages are written in the form of the women's magazine drivel she writes for with multiple choice options/personality quizzes. They mention that she writes for them in the film and that he writes for male ones but the impact is lost. They literally get their paychecks from mythologizing the differences between men and women and writing instruction manuals on how to seduce the opposite sex. Their joint connection is that they think they are above it all and would never fall for that stupid shit because they're more special, more intelligent, their interactions more pure. When he starts behaving by the cliche male scripts she sees other women lament all the time, she realizes she has fallen into the cliche female one. She despises this. She despises him for forcing her into it, but she was never actually forced so she despises herself even more for being so weak to fall for it. In an extremely twisted way, her entire plan is proving how much she will fight to be with him which makes him constantly question why the fuck she would WANT this struggle. She says "that's marriage". Now you know what her parents' marriage was like.

>>220826344
That was the only problem I had, if she went to the hospital like that she would’ve been tackled by like 10 different people and stabbed to hell with shots to sedate her ass, she’s never seeing the light of day again

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for me it's megan lawless

>>220838933
Any relations to Lucy Lawless?

>>220837877
>the bad guy is the incel
no, he was just a beta too afraid to do anything
>she is perfectly innocent
no, she killed someone

>>220838952
distant cousins I think

>>220825248
It's "heterosexual male sexuality bad, chud"

>>220838933
She was hot as an art hoe, he was crazy for fumbling this and not taking what he could get

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>>220838933
Why did she gain 15lbs in the face for this role?

>>220829869
1. and 3. contradict each other

>>220839078
>Why did she gain 15lbs in the face
She lost a lot more than that when Nikki got to her.

>>220825380
She wasn't possessed with a demon, she was just a fucked up cunt even before the wish was made.

>>220838568
>This is the entire sequence of them moving to the suburbs. She says she doesn't want to move out of NYC, he wants to move to be with his dying family, she relents, she hates it, she keeps making concessions
That's got nothing to do with male / female marriage roles which is what I responded to. He wanted to be closer to his dying family, she went with wtf does that have to do with being a man or a woman.
>When I met Nick Dunne[...]
>We were happy pretending to be other people[...]
None of that is in the film, 100%. And that still doesn't ask nor answer deeper, more interesting questions: What did Amy see in Nick that she wanted to forge him into the "man of her dreams"? His jaw? His persona? His dick? How far, sexually and otherwise, should a woman willing to go to forge the man of her dreams? The story answers this with murder, which, sure, stories are about extreme circumstances for the purposes of entertaining an audience, but answering the question with murder divorces the story from reality and shows it isn't interested in viewing relationships from any real angle. Especially because I've been with women who actually do expect unconditional love, so it's really neat that book Amy knows unconditional love is not real, and it isn't. Not from a significant other (I get it from my mother :3).
>>220838651
>but he then resents his lack of freedom with a wife.
Why do men feel a lack of freedom when married? Because Amy bought the bar for him, right? Another aspect that doesn't come through in the film. Nick owning the bar becomes completely irrelevant after the first 15 minutes besides as a way to move the story of him being suspected of killing Amy forward, not as a means to view his masculinity.
>Amazing Amy
So the reason men and women do what they do is because our tastes in romance are forged early in our lives due to our parents? Amazing Amy pushed real Amy to finding a man like Nick? That's really neat, and something the film does not explore.

>>220825380
People are just this tired of femslop. Men at this point would unironically celebrate a movie where the female characters are just told to shut up and treated like property. That's how tired men are of hearing about this shit. It immediately gets anyone with testosterone rolling their eyes.

>>220825531
All media has messaging, that's why they pay billions of dollars to make the shit. What, you think they make it to entertain you?

>>220825561
All stories have a message or lesson, also everything is political, and always has been. Talk about media illiteracy!

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Don't fall for the BPDemon. Not worth it no matter how hot she is.

>>220825634
Yeah, that's American culture's message.

>>220838760
>Something I think is lost in the book-to-film translation is that Amy despises male/female dynamics. In the book her passages are written in the form of the women's magazine drivel she writes for with multiple choice options/personality quizzes. They mention that she writes for them in the film and that he writes for male ones but the impact is lost. They literally get their paychecks from mythologizing the differences between men and women and writing instruction manuals on how to seduce the opposite sex. Their joint connection is that they think they are above it all and would never fall for that stupid shit because they're more special, more intelligent, their interactions more pure. When he starts behaving by the cliche male scripts she sees other women lament all the time, she realizes she has fallen into the cliche female one. She despises this. She despises him for forcing her into it, but she was never actually forced so she despises herself even more for being so weak to fall for it. In an extremely twisted way, her entire plan is proving how much she will fight to be with him which makes him constantly question why the fuck she would WANT this struggle. She says "that's marriage". Now you know what her parents' marriage was like.
That's actually the sort of shit I wanted from the film. Neat. To net a good woman, a Rosamund Pike or Inde Navarette, you have to be more than yourself. It makes her be more than herself (cool girl), and you have to keep that shit up. That's what the film does not zero in on.

>>220839121
>it has me
>it's me the real me, kill me before she comes back
you did not watch the movie.

>>220835663
I personally think that real Nikki actually did write the fucked up incest poem. Hence why she told bear it’s not a love story or whatever at the start. She’s called freaky Nikki for a reason.

>>220839330
The movie didn't know what it wanted to be, but who was phone doesn't help. I learn more towards the wish was re-writing her brain/behavior and getting more erratic and desperate for Bear's love as he is pushed more away by her behavior.