>be Jean de Carrouges>battle-hardened knight>fight in brutal campaigns in Scotland and France>rebuild family fortune>wife gets raped by former friend Le Gris>bet everything on a trial by combat to defend her honor and kill the bastard>700 years later some feminists portray you as some awkward, sexually inept chud>MFW
>>220829629Well maybe he should've sat and listened while the woman spoke her...
>worshipping a cuckkys incel
>>220829629Yeah, it felt slanderous. It's a shame, really. Ridley did a fine job directing it. The cast is great too.
>>220829680>Killing his wife's rapist>cuck?
>>220829629The feminists were right and you're wrong.
>>220829685What really annoyed me were all the scenes of his wife managing the estate better which were 100% made up. Pretty much added nothing to the story except MEN BAD
WHEN WILL WE GET THE AFFLECK CUTTHIS MOVIE WAS SO CLOSE TO BEING GOOD
>>220829629Its ok. True men could tell that his story was the only honest one of the three.
>>220829736You could probably do a fan edit and just remove the faggoty pretentious "three sides" bullshit to make a significantly better film.
>>220829736I always see people talk shit about his performance, but he was the best part of the movie. I genuinely don't understand it.
>>220829728I tend to believe Affleck and Damon made this to atone for their past sexpesteries (or what could be perceived as such).
>>220829775I think a lot of people were just pissed that they had American accents.
>>220829798Yeah they shouldve spoken medieval french with no subtitles
>>220829866NO, no, no you see it would have been better if the accetns were posh englishmen because... IT JUST WOULD OK
>>220829798Better that than English with forced French accent
>>220829629I don't know why Ridley can't make historical kino like The Duellists anymore. Pretty weird that his first feature film was his best one.
>>220829911It's the scripts. This movie easily could have been a classic if they didn't have to force in some feminist bullshit and kept it ambiguous. Adam Drivers character didn't even admit to having sex with her in real life yet in this it shows him seducing her during his perspective because the writers wanting to portray him as entitled or something
>>220829987The whole >men are irredeemable bastardstrope was played out. Nobody today believes anything women say or do.
>>220830029Based
>>220829771>the faggoty pretentious "three sides" bullshitIt was looking like Scott tried to repeat the narrative form all those black&white jap movies about samurais but failed miserably.
>>220830073Rashomon is what that narrative form is called from the Japanese movie rashomon.
>>220829629Its what he was.Anyway, what's stopping chuds from making their own misogynistic version?Oh, that's right: Their own ineptitude.
>>220829669This one scene blows the whole movie, they just couldn’t help themselves, they had to be 100% sure you believe the roastie
>>220830361Her testimony was proven in combat. What she said was legally the truth.
>>220829629Odds are they got the real guy right. Medieval society was filled with incel chuds.
>>220830356The movie completely bombed
>>220830149>Rashomon is what that narrative form is called from the Japanese movie rashomon.So it seems that gaijins cant into rashomon
>>220829629Jean did nothing wrongThe system failed himHe redeemed himselfHis bitch whore of a wife deserved to get burnt at the pyre even if he won
>>220830523>gaijins Can't into plurals either.
>>220830361>This one scene blows the whole movie, they just couldn’t help themselves, they had to be 100% sure you believe the roastiebecause that was the fucking point of the movie, you retard. A woman was raped and two retards were more worried about their personal rivalry. Imagine being dumb enough to not understand this movie.
>>220830797Oh, yeah, well, what the fuck is she gonna do about it? She's not the one who's gonna enact justice now is she? So fuck her, let the men handle it
>>220830797she wasn't raped, she just regretted the consequences and changed her mind
>>220830694whatever is this Japanese world for "goyim"
>be tall Chad>lose to seething manletKWAB
>>220830797she wasn't raped, she regretted it and was scared of her tard impotent (important btw) husband whom she always wished he'd die fighting in some faraway landit's pretty obvious not only because of that but because she was shagging his friend le gris whom I remind you was remarkably good with finances as shown numerous times, and yet we're supposed to believe some uneducated young daughter of a minor lord was able to keep up and even improve the finances of her lands while her husband was gone? c'mon eh? he was clearly fucking her in exchange for help with managment and the only reason this all happened was because le gris kept fucking marguerite while carrouges was around and she had to come up with an excuse for how she miraculously got pregnantthe only reason she kept up with the rape farce was because she knew carrouges was a fucking moron and would kill le gris
>>220829629the whole duel was kino but the drama and filler they added for context was gay as fuck especially this >>220829669
>See this>What do?
>>220829866Yes
>>220830356>Anyway, what's stopping chuds from making their own misogynistic version?It's because jews control the film industry, and the reason for that is nepotism
>>220830523Thats not how I recall it
>>220830797Silence, hole.
>>220830797>because that was the fucking point of the movie, you retard.And the point of showing 3 versions of the same self-aggrandizing manner is what exactly?You do realize that without that little edit there is virtually no difference in the stories in terms of favoritism. The truth is with the one whose pov it's told from. In all of their versions, the POV truther is the most righteous, the most nobel or didndunuffin. So, retard, explain the point of this structure if you are going to fucking side with one of them anyway?
>>220829736Surprisingly, I didn't mind Ben, considering he wasn't there for long. But Matt Damon shouldn't play a medieval Frenchman.
>>220829669Whether or not intentional, i think this, combined with her hypercompetence in that part is a pretty biting commentary on the current state of media and feminism.
>>220829728at the very least she did manage the estate often. He was away at war and eventually died on crusade, his 10yr old son didnt run the estate. It was fairly common that lesser nobles wives ran the estate while her husband was away.
>>220830073Rashomon worked because it stuck to its concept, passed little judgement on its character and actually showcased different versions of the same story keeping you both engaged and truly allowing his character to reflect in multiple way.Ridley Scott would shit himself at the idea of putting the bandit and the wife testimony on the same ground, the film just doesn't work because of its desire to bend the knee to MeToo, he legitimately could have made a better movie actually embracing the MeToo ideals, but instead he felt the need to gimmick a story with multiple retelling to defend a movement that at its core reject this very concept.And you could argue that it was on purpose, that in all three versions what matter is that Marguerite was raped and that stays an undeniable truth, the core message of the truth, but him presenting two versions and the last one contextualizing them by being called "The Truth" does not give any reason to believe that; so either way, legitimately an awful movie.The last shot of Notre Dame was great tho, i 100% believe that this shit was pitched by someone smarter than Scott, as a way to show Europe entering the renaissance, cuz no way that retarded bong thought of that himself, but he definitely was sold on the visual.
>>220832646Sure, but the film portrays her as better than him, even though she pretty much married into it at eighteen and he was in his forties. He was the one who spent literally 20+ years fighting to build that estate, and he just gets portrayed as some sort of caveman idiot.It’s not like guys got these eighteen-year-old noblewomen and their dowries for doing nothing.
>>220832780>but the film portrays her as better than himIn all of their versions, they are portrayed as the best person than other two. Whoever has the POV pillow she/he is the most wronged one and she/he is the most virtuous one. Carrouges is a noble knight and warrior whose exuberant wife was raped by the villain who sweet-talked the authorities into taking his land too. Le Gris is the noble knight, warrior, who got seduced by the duplicitous temptress because her cuck husband just wasn't enough for her and then accused him of rape. Marguerite is the noble wife, WARRIOR of bookkeeping, who got raped by the villain who she didn't want near her and then dismissed by her cold husband who dragged this shame through the courts in order to save face. All of them follow the same pattern clear bias where the pov did nothing wrong, thus TRUTH ACCORDING TO...The fucking problem is when you clearly, intentionally establish that one of these clearly heavily biased stories is the objective truth because, guess what? If you leave even a shred of ambiguity that would allow someone to conclude he should not be siding with the woman. Well, that's just wrongspeak.
>>220833117Meant for >>220832743
>>220829629Whole film is a shitty Rashomon about modern feminism
>>220829680>spouting buzzwords, the postcompletely incomprehensible. an incel would not praise someone for standing up for a woman.
>>220830361Unfortunately yes, couldn't help themselves i suspect is correct. Height of #metoo etc
>>220832102Duel was the worst part of the film ironically enough. The best scene is when driver and whats her name are talking about medieval lit (kino)
>>220830361#BelieveAllWomen, chudling.
>>220833117>The fucking problem is when you clearly, intentionally establish that one of these clearly heavily biased stories is the objective truth because, guess what? If you leave even a shred of ambiguity that would allow someone to conclude he should not be siding with the woman. Well, that's just wrongspeak.I mean it was a title card in one scene. Can you not really overlook that.
>>220833507did you like the book?
>>220832495Scott is a retard and ripped off Rashomon
>>220833546>Can you not really overlook that.they really can't, and it's completely unreasonable for you to ask them to. Don't even try to mention that the outcome of the duel was explicitly said to determine the "truth" of the case, because of God and stuff. So her story did turn out to be considered the "truth".
>>220833507woke HOLYwood would never adapt the Cheese and the Worm. they are to much in the pocket of Big Inquisition.
>>220829888nah, french accent done right is good
>>220833639It's 1. the framing of the story, 2. she gets raped in every single version, so there's never any doubt about the rape question, only the general circumstances surrounding it.
>>220829629Non-Whites don't understand concepts of chivalry, gallantry toward women and self-sacrifice.
>>220829680Dilate, troon.
>>220833657This would be a great adaptation for Eggers, there's no big set pieces and just full of small scale courthouse drama about an autistic guy with no filter telling a Catholic inquisitor that he hates Lutherans but thinks the Pope is full of shit.
>>220829629>"raped"kek sure she did bro
>>220833769>let's discuss white culture fellow whites
>>220830361Believe all women until she accuses Biden of rape.
>>220829629I would have liked the movie more if it didn't have that discount rashomon gimmick. I know they're doing the "different points of view" thing, but it could have been done a bit more elegantly and not just feel like you're retreading the same ground. And as much as I love a good rape scene, we didn't need to see it that many times. Probably would have been more effective to just cut to black, and leave the scene informed by the character, the bad sex scene with matt damon, and kylo engaging in performative rape-play with afleck.
>>220833804Yeah I think the interactions between Menocchio and the court would be the strongest part, with Menocchio as an out of context problem for the inquisitors and Menocchio seeing his chance to sperg out lol.Having said that he should absolutely not be depicted as autistic but more as someone very obstinate and self destructive in this obstinacy.
>>220833769>half-Dornish half-lizard mutt>white
>>220829629>How can I make this historical movie even more inaccurate? Thought Ridley
>>220833906>discount rashomon gimmickWas the only compelling dynamic of the story
>>220832780>He was the one who spent literally 20+ years fighting to build that estateHe didn't do shit. It was his father's land he was just a steward, and not a very good one since he kept coming up short on what he owed his liege.
>>220833906>Let’s do the Rashomon gimmick, except we’ll tell the audience which POV is correct and make the other two POVs seem self-indulgent and evil.”
>>220833996As it has been pointed out to you multiple times in the thread, the duel was trial by combat. A process put in place because there is no way a just and loving god would let an innocent man be killed. Whoever wins means that their side dictates what the truth is, as is agreed upon by man and god. You're just mad at women. Everyone gets it.
>>220833546No? Let's, for a second, presume we are not retarded troglodytes whose 50% of the movie runtime is scrolling through the phone and we do notice things movies try to impart. For what other reason is only one title card lingering on the most important thematic word of this story other than to communicate to the viewer the unquestionable truth of the Marguerite POV?Again, can you and this troglodyte >>220833639 explain to me THE POINT of having the three equally biased versions as the premise of the movie only to flush it by the third? What fucking purpose do Le Gris and Carrouges versions serve by communicating 3/4 of the same material only to be disregarded by the end? It establishes character? What character? Character that is irrelevant and becomes a falsehood by the third objective version? It establishes the motives of the men? The falsely noble motives that get overwritten by the objective version anyway? Why are we watching Rashomon, that is terrified of being one because some might misinterpret that the creators don't believe all women? Why have the two men section start with this bridge charge discrepancy when the third version makes it irrelevant. None of it matters. There is nothing to see here because the third version makes them all a lie since it's the objective one and there was no definitive TRUTH to any of that. The scenes are simply to show their partisanship to them being right and since the movie is not about the line between those come the THE TRUTH. Well?If the scene didn't happen in the third version it might as well never happened at all. Was Affleck conspiring to take Carrouges estate from him which egged Le Gris on him or was Carrouges just overzealous shizo who just wanted all of the dowry? WHO GIVES A FUCK!? It's not in the TRUTH, so it might as well never happened.
>>220830029Consequence of women going on the internet and posting their real thoughts and experiences to the general public. Before 2015 or so that shit was kept under wraps. Femoids were like a giant global mafia conspiring to decieve men about their nature and cover up each others lies
Crystal Mangum of the Duke Lacrosse and Jackie Coakley of the UVA rape hoaxes were totally raped, chuds.
>>220834072man you're really worked up, huh
I don't know which I found more distracting, Damon's mullet or Afleck's dye-job.
>>220833995Except we know affleck and driver were in it together. I repeat, WHERE IS THE AFFLECK CUT
>>220829629has ridley scott done anything good since gladiator?
>>220834242Black hawk down
>>220834242Nothing.
>>220834261Kingdom of heaven directors cutLets face it people who watched this last duel movie did so because of this 4 hour long ed norton movie
>>220829629>raped
>>220834353>4 hour long ed norton movieIts 3 hours long and King Baldwin is still only in it for like two scenes. Even though one of those two scenes is one of the greatest scenes in modern cinema, its still like 2 hours of Legolegs and eva green staring into the middle distance.
>>220834161I am. I'm to this day baffled how a post-production edit can make three quarters of the movie worthless, and for what? Why? So that fucking Guardian wouldn't write how even a shred of ambiguity makes it's heckin' problematic?Remove THE TRUTH and you'd still have the most solid case for her version or at least the motive for it to be confirmed by the ending. Where it's him riding out like a hero who slayed the beast towards a cheering crowd. It was about him after all. Or was it? Because the scene is minute enough for it to be swung either way. Maybe he is just swept up in the triumph. He is a knight after all. Nah, fuck that noise. Why bother? You already knew, like, 10 minutes before this scene that he didn't give a shit about the rape he just wanted to save face. Here I thought I'd have to think about it. Maybe even watch it again maybe there was something else to parse in the versions. Nah, slap that shit in >>220829669 Thanks, Ridley, for saving the time. Geriatric, nigger bong.
>>220834161Not a counterpoint or counter argument to otheranons post. Take the loss, otheranon is right.
>>220834397Yes. More or less. Agree.My point stands though, and the question is valid. Scott hasnt and likely cant top thos and it was 20 years ago
>>220834046Yeah, except their motivations are completely made up in the film. The whole thing is driven by historical revisionism and modern interpretations. You speak in absolutes when it’s completely unknown what their real personalities and motivations were, beyond secondary sources.You're just mad because you're a faggot who'd get his shit rocked
>>220834416>Or was it? Only reasonable conclusion is that it in fact was not
>>220833995Objectively not true but I guess the idea of strong men offends weak men
>>220834495Were you there, mate? Let me tap the objective TRUTH title card again. The editor was there and graciously made it so you wouldn't need to think about it or argue.
>>220834434i havent read anything in this thread and i wasnt trying to argue so if that is the win you want I'll give it to you.
as a surviving rape victim myself I find this thread to be in poor taste
>>220834072I basically am with this chud anon. My personal opinion as stated elsewhere in this thread is that the movies major fault is that it lacked the affleck version whoch clearly must have had critical info (if le griz was gay for example), so i though "the truth" title screen WAS in fact a cop out, but - to repeat - the structual problem is not the coomer story but rather the missing affleck story.
>>220833846Honestly this whole movement is insane to me. Aren't most of these hags supposed to be college educated? Did they miss the parts where they were taught about how our necessarily imperfect legal system exists because the alternative of trial in the court of public opinion historicaly led to far more monstrous injustices? Did they just not pay attention to the reality that before organised justice based on the rule of law humanity relied on brutal, unfair - and explicity not great for women - and violent justice of the sword, and that often resulted in cycles of violence driven by feud and counter-feud that ran through whole generations?But no no, these cunts want to able to anonymously accuse men of rape without actual evidence or often even taking it to the authorities at all, and then claim the *legal system* is the thing at fault when successful prosecutions aren't common?However much one can overcome the social conditioning and persuade onesself to hate women, anons, it can never be enough.
>>220829629She clearly was a cheating whore.
>>220834353Liked this enough to buy the Blu Ray. Director's cut is the only way it should be viewed. >>220829629Hated this film enough to hit the stop button ~2/5 in. This vile thing should not be viewed by anybody except feminists.
