>jan 29, 2022
>>220848554>lives in a world where gods cannot possibly be disproven by anyone in intellectual honesty>is literally friends with them>atheist
>>220848554Doubtful. You get dumber as you get older, not smarter. Steve would be no different.
>>220848584There is no such thing as an intelligent atheist, especially a hypothetical one who hangs around with gods
Odinson will be so dissapointed.
>>220848554Aren't there actual real gods doing shit in marvel slop universe
>>220848554modern atheism is just stunted retards seething over the time they had to go to church on sunday when they were kids
>>220848554They hate Christianity this much.
>>220848554I believe in God and Jesus but people who believe there's an afterlife are retarded. This is it. You get one shot and that's it. Anyone who tells you different, is out to make your life miserable.
I wonder how long it’ll take for the pendulum to swing back and 4chan stops being bible thumpers
>>220848672What about Judaism?9/10 of Marvel was made by JewsWhat about Paganism?Odin and co are canon to MCU
>>220848704the internet forever changed in the 2010s once normies got online
>>220848609The smarter you are, the more atheist you are. Intelligence comes from being curious and the willingness to explore, and theists don't explore. They're told not to from an early age.
>>220848554what does he mean confirms it? it wasnt even in the movie. you can just ad stuff thats not mentioned on screen and say its canon
>>220848688>I believe in wizards and ghosts but mermaids and werewolves are ridiculousIdiot
>>220848554>live a normal life>believe in god>go through unbelievable reality-defying experiences that tell you without a doubt that mundane reality is a lie and that the fantastical is absolutely true>"I guess god doesn't exist then"????????
>>220848554Yeah. Most US presidents are/were atheist. The whole spiel about "muh god" is just performative to not scare away single-minded evangelical voters. Why would Biden be an exception?
>>22084855490 percent of atheists are fine flooding their countries with smelly dumb brown people. Can’t be too smart after all
>>220848754God is one thing. the Bible and Christianity are another. If there are billions of planets with aliens on them and not one has ever heard of Jesus what does that say about his centrality to the universe as a whole?
>>220848554Joe Biden is Captain America?
>>220848805Trump is an atheist.
>>220848920I don’t even know if he really did say this but just thought I’d point out that you can’t even know if a person is an atheist just because they say so just like you can’t tell a person is a true believer just because they say so.
>half the population dies>comes back to life AFTER timeskip>no question about the afterlife ever>no civil war or mass murder everyone just goes back to work like nothing happened DUDE spiderman is going on vacation!
>>220848920Trump seems to believe in the concepts of heaven and hell at least, which both are medieval christian inventions based on the Greek underworld. At least he seemed quite sincere when he stated he's not too sure he'll get into heaven in that one interview.I agree that he is not a devout Christian though, considering he cannot cite any bible verse (something most atheists could do without a problem) and doesn't know the difference between the old and the new testament (again, something most atheists know).
>have proof that all crazy supernatural "godlike" powers are actually just magic stones>lose faith in an actual god existing when shit like this just exists and is pretty easy to obtainAnons (republican) will think this is retarded
>>220849173no one living in a world with aliens, "gods", people with super powers, time travel and parallel dimensions would be a fucking atheist
>>220849173it's retarded because his entire character is that he's old fashioned
>>220848554Is Feige trying to say that atheists are retarded, like >>220849173?
>>220849211>no one living in a world where all supernatural things have a logical explanation for their existence would be an athiestchristfags really believe this huh>>220849224>his entire character is that he's old fashionedSteve spent multiple movies adapting to a completely different worldYou think old fashioned means having a room temperature IQ and refusing to learn anythingMust be why you relate
Christianity cucked by media corporations again
>>220848736all the most intelligent people who ever lived were theists. every single genius who ever lived was a theist. Midwits who figured out cucktianity is a scam arent smart, they just nominally smarter than the jew worshipping morons, which isnt saying much
>>220848736you must have been seething when those astronauts talked about god
>>220849513>all the most intelligent people who ever lived were theists.Like ... who?Let's take Einstein, who most would agree was quite intelligent and one of the most important pioneers of physics: He labeled himself an agnostic and non-believer in a personal deity. He most certainly was not a theist, and at most had vague deistic believes.So, certainly, not "all the most intelligent people" were theists.
>>220848920He said he didn't think he would get to Heaven doesn't sound very religious. I think he isn't a Christian, but probably does think there is a higher power.
>>220848920>one atheist thinks differently this somehow disproves the majorityMost atheists are far left than agnostics or religious people. Trump rather surround himself with mostly Christian right people. So that says a lot too.
>>220849717>stein>geniusHow stupid are you? He gets propped up in schools because a jew. How the fuck did this escape your critical thought?
>>220848554In Thor 4 they even said there was a God that knew carpentry. And that there was a pedo, illiterate, slave owning warlord, desert dwelling prophet
>>220848704>>2208487294chan was only largely atheist because of the influence of youtube skeptics like TheAmazingAtheist. Pretending it was a natural thing based on some kind of core values or culture that was then corrupted is like pretending Gamergate was entirely homegrown on 4chan or /pol/ got Trump elected.If you want 4chan to return to whatever atheist fantasy you thought it was you would not only need a revival of 2000s era skeptic content but a complete reversal of the numerous embarassements those skeptics faced. In a nutshell, you'll have to remove the banana from your ass first.
>>220849815Okay. That's why I asked you whom you consider the "most intelligent people who ever lived". Come on, anon. Answer.
>>220849717He also believed that there was no such thing as free will. Do you agree with him on that?
>>2208501594chan was largely atheist because the internet used to be mostly white teenagersnow the internet got browned and old and brought all the brown christian youths and boomer christian whitesno one cares about whatever supposed embarrassments you're talking about that are 15 years old you grandpa
>>220850200Yes. Free will is a myth.
>>220850203You care what happened 15 years ago since you brought it up, retard.
>>220848854The exact same thing it said before globalism made everyone learn what christianity was? Such a low iq objection.
>>220850233In that case who the fuck cares? Why are you going to spend the rest of this thread arguing with people who are predetermined to disagree with you?
>>220849211which is funny since god literally exists in the marvel universe, he's just above all of these things since of course he would be since he's god.
>>220848652Tons. Norse gods, Celestials, The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, there’s even a ‘Big G’ god called “The One Above All”, who appears in the form of Stan Lee.
>>220850203>most atheists are white while the most dedicated Christians are brownWTF I love mass immigration now?
>>220850256no i didnt
>>220850203I’m an atheist oldfag but like a decade ago I realized I’m envious of people who can believe in such things, and I don’t want to cause anyone undue harm by shattering that belief. So I just keep myself to myself now. Most people need that sort of thing in their lives. I wish I had never taken le redpill but I’d stopped believing in god before I stopped believing in Santa Claus so i never had a chance
>>220848554One of his mates is a Norse god.
>>220850339>I'm an atheist but I'm not going to autistically attack everyone else's beliefs from a smug sense of superiority.You are not an atheist.
>>220850367being an atheist used to actually be controversial (it's why people coped and called themselves agnostics despite there being no actual difference in most cases)it still is if you want to be a politician (ironically easier to be a muslim)lots of zoomers dont understand this context
>>220850401Meant for >>220850367
>>220848554Why would anyone be an atheist in a universe where magic and the supernatural are objective facts
>>220850439>where magic and the supernatural are objective factsthat just means it's science, people from 500 years ago would call your computer screen magic but magic it ain't>dude you like.. hvae to believe in jesus because you have a magic phon1!
>>220850200>Do you agree with him on that?The question is not whether I or you or anyone agree with him. He can be wrong about free will. He can be wrong about a god (or gods). He can even be wrong about the theory of relativity.The question was whether or not he should be considered exceptionally intelligent (and, frankly he is and should be, no matter what he's right or wrong about) and whether he was a theist (he was not).
>>220850339Yeah you did. Why should anyone care that 4chan used to be white teenagers? The world used to be white people to and they willingly gave that up out of their own self-appointed enlightment.
>>220848554Isn't there literally a steve rodgers quote where he says something along the lines of "there's only one god, and i'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that" it's a phase 1 movie but i dont remember if its cap1 or avengers1
>>220850496Avengers 1 about Loki.
>>220850495no i didnt
>>220850496(me)yep found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSnHM3rn1jc
>>220848554Don't most Amuurrricans still believe in religious shit? Not a very good Captain America if he's atheist, is he?
>>220850532Jews don't want you to be a Christian. That tells you all you need to know about muh atheism.
>>220848554>Literally friends with a god
>>220850496That was from when based Whedon was directing.
>>220850550>muh jewsget another boogeyman you loser, even by hating them you're letting them control your life
>>220850496Ultron also called him "God's righteous man"
>>220848554canonically steve rogers used the time stone to go back to the levant and discovered that the resurrection was a lie and converted to judaism. then he used the space stone to find where the jewish god had gone (since gods are real) and found him raping alien children in a distant galaxy. so he just stopped believing in them.
>>220850550I've never met a Jew or a Christian, both of you looney tunes can fuck each other in the ass.
>>220850532>Don't most Amuurrricans still believe in religious shit?Americans believe whatever they are brought up with and are generally unwilling to change their views on anything or learn anything new.But that mindset would make for a terrible fictional character, wouldn't it?
>>220850401I didn’t do that. First post itt
>>220850653you’re brown
>>220850894I'm obviously not even American, moron.
>>220850653explain it
>>220850894All brown people are religious. The only white people who are religious are dumb-fuck Americans.
>>220848554>there’s only one god maam and im pretty sure he doesn’t dress like thathttps://youtu.be/GSnHM3rn1jc?si=Qvxecn4CgY_Bd4OL
>>220848736Unbelievably based and remarkably intelligent post. My brother is a wealthy atheist. He also burns sage to ward off evil spirits and he’s deathly afraid of ouija boards, the board game made by Hasbro that you can buy at Walmart. Like my brother you are a scholar.
>>220848736Atheism is an absolute state. An atheist declares>There are no Gods and there is no possibility of there being a GodThe atheist begins from a position of objective ignorance. I think you are getting confused between 'atheist' and 'agnostic'.
>>220848736
Atheism is nothing more than people just coping with the fact that they are sinful, powerless, and self-centered beings in need of an all powerful God
>>220851035Explain what? Mirrors?Angle of incidence = angle of refraction. That's all there is to it. The reason those people are confused is because they seem to think that they're looking at a point of the mirror behind the piece of paper, when they're obviously looking at a point next to the paper. And since they're doing so from an acute angle, that means that the rays of light that get reflected by the mirror into their eyes must also come from an acute inverse angle to the mirror's surface, i.e. something close to said mirror's surface in the opposing direction. Which happens to be where that object "behind" the paper is.
>>220848736this made the jews seethe apparently
>>220851035trace all the possible paths light could travel between the egg and your eye. Do any of these intersect with the mirror? What happens when light hits a mirror?
>>220848554>85 replies and not a single person pointed out this screenshot is fakeWhy are you guys so retarded?
>>220851846>this screenshot is fakeYou trying to tell me they didn't actually get Joe Biden to cameo as old Roger Steves?
>>220851846poe's law, this is a very believable headline considering how much these marxist scum hate christians.
>>220848554He has no authority to make such a pronouncement.
>>220852973That's not what Poe's Law is. It's Poe's Law if Feige actually made that statement on the internet then claimed he was joking. This is easily verifiable but you want to believe any bullshit that makes you mad because you have a persecution complex.
>>220849513Everyone was a Christian which includes every single fucking pleb. It's dishonest to associate everything with Christianity when that was the dogma. And we all know you will screech if people attributed all the negatives things to Christianity during all these centuries.
>>220853170kys you retarded commie subhuman.
>>220848554Is that why he let 911 happened?
>>220848554We already know there is no God in the MCU, because look how shit it turned out
>>220853632You don't have the introspection and self-awareness to face how easily you fall for lies and propaganda so your only recourse is to lash out and label anyone who exposes those lies as your boogeyman. So the truth doesn't matter to you. The only thing that's important to you is clinging onto your culture war ideology.
>>220848652No, just mortal aliens who people called gods out of ignorance, which would reasonably contribute to his being an atheist. But the "people" here can't stop being anon bots long enough to think.
>>220851846This website is extremely low IQ now.>it always was!No, not like this.
Why wouldn't he be?He never once prays or anything like that. He has one throwaway line in the Avengers about God and that's fucking it.
>>220851846it’s a thread that’s been posted for years we already know it’s fake new friend
>>220853807It was only portrayed that way in the beginning of the MCU to appease the potential ire of Christians complaining about glorifying false gods. But fans don't like that direction so they've been leaning more and more into Thor and Loki and the like being actual gods.
>>220853918>it’s a thread that’s been posted for yearsand people still fall for it
>>220853958It's still portrayed that way, including the last movie Cap was in where the "god" Loki dies. It's easy to see how meeting a god from history and finding out he's a mortal alien might color his views.
>>220848581Atheism is about belief, not knowledge. If we had proof god exists, we would no longer believe, we would know. Now I don't believe for a second that the actual character Steve Rogers would ever become an atheist, but within the MCU and it's version of him he has experienced and seen enough technology that a cynic would say would be a better explanation for the miracles described in religious texts, that it's simply aliens (quite literally in regards to Norse mythology) having visited us.
>>220848581>>220850313>live in a world where gods have been proven to be nothing more than aliens with superpowers, and meet and befriend some of these aliens who used to be worshiped as godsyes actually that seems like a good reason to become an atheist
>>220848704Revelation 3:8-10King James Version8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
>>220854051>we would no longer believe, we would know.Well, technically, if you know something, you also believe it. The common definition of knowledge is that of a "justified true believe".
>>220854109No. Knowledge and belief is not the same thing. I don't know where you think the 'common' definition of knowledge is that of a justified true belief, because that's certainly not what pops up if you search for the definition of knowledge.
>>220854109>>220854157Oh, found it in a single dictionary out of 20.
>>220854157>>220854175that's plato's definition of knowledge, retardto know something requires you to first believe that it is trueknowledge is a true belief which isn't arrived at by chance, but arrived at by good reason. Thus, justified true belief
>>220848581Honestly the turning the norse gods into aliens is weird. Thor has the ability to summon and control lightning in the movies. Its not from the hammer, or from some piece of tech, or a skill that can be trained in, he is fundamentally tied to this primordial function of electricty. And the reason he can do it is given as>he's a god
>>220854212And that belief you describe there is not religious belief. That's applying reason to come to a conclusion, relying on evidence and testing. Perhaps I should have used the word faith instead of belief?
>>220854157>Knowledge and belief is not the same thing.No one said they were. Knowledge is one specific type of belief.>I don't know wherePilosophy, particularly Plato's Theaetetus. That particular definition has gotten several revivals in the history of philosophy (as well as some fields of psychology), the most recent being the Philosophy of Mind movement.There is some criticism of the concept in form of the Gettier cases, but ironically the one thing they do not challenge is that knowledge is a belief, but rather present edge-cases where justification or truth are questionable.Frankly, what do you suggest a knowledge that is not also believed would look like? Can you know something and disbelieve it at the same time?
>>220848554>grows up in a mostly white time>ends up dying surrounded by minorities>"there is not God"what did feige mean by this?
>>220854272>is not religious beliefNo one was talking about religion.>Perhaps I should have used the word faith instead of belief?Faith is a strong blind believe. I.e. unjustified, regardless of its truth or falsehood. It's also not necessarily a religious believe. You can have faith in human decency, for example, or faith in true love.
>>220851350>>220851462>you see the egg because it reflects off your eyesFucking retarded
>>220854335As I said to the other fellow, would you be happier if I substituted the word belief for the term religious belief or faith? Because the topic is how can Steve Rogers be an atheist if he knows gods exists, and I said that because he knows, he no longer believes, aka it has shifted from faith to knowledge.
>>220854395>No one was talking about religion.The thread is about Steve Rogers being an atheist. How is the topic not religious belief?
>>220848577that was a long time ago what does it have to do with the OP
>>220854335>Can you know something and disbelieve it at the same time?Logically, I don't think so, but humans are wonderfully illogical. So whether we can strictly do both, we certainly can think we do.
>main character turns to the camera (after it stopped recording)>"by the way, I now have exactly the same opinions and worldview as the writer of the script who is right about everything"
>>220853807>>220854023Mortal or not, if I had seen living breathing proof that the entire pantheon of some extinct religion with very little contemporary written record was real, and I saw 50% of people phase out of, then back into existence, I would be inclined to find stories written about a guy named Jesus who was the son of God and rose from the dead pretty plausible.The most compelling evidence for/against religion in the MCU would be the experience of those snapped and unsnapped. What happened to their souls/consciousness during the interim years? Do they have any memories of it? You're looking at 50% of people given firsthand experience of the afterlife or lack therefore of. That's got some pretty serious theological implications.Also, when we're dealing with creating and deleting intelligent life from/to nothing, the line between the "normal" and supernatural gets very blurry.If Tony Stark (re)created people from nothing, who's to say he's not a God?
>>220854434>>220854456Our posts are not about the whole thread, but specifically one line of your posts.And, yes, if you had say he goes from faith to knowledge, that would have been fine, because those two are indeed different forms of belief.
>>220854664>if I had seen living breathing proof that the entire pantheon of some extinct religion with very little contemporary written record was realexcept they're not real gods, they're just aliens with superpowers
>>220854664>I would be inclined to find stories written about a guy named Jesus who was the son of God and rose from the dead pretty plausible.You know, I'd love to see comic books give the Christian god and his "son" the same treatment they've given to the Norse pantheon and render them some kind of alien superhero/villain. Wonder if they'd get away with that.
>>220854703And that one line of my post is in the context of the thread and what it was in response to. My comment did not happen in a vacuum, it was in reply to someone mentioning that Steve is literally friends with gods. I mean for fucks sake. Is it such a leap to realize that when someone says belief, while talking about atheism and literal gods existing, it's a reference to religious belief and faith?
>>220854711Read the last line of my previous post.When a normal human guy can use magic rocks to create conscious life from the void, how do we define Godhood?In the poetic edda, it talks about several Norse gods dying in Ragnarok, so Loki's death isn't outside of the established lore of Norse Paganism.You're operating on the assumption that God(s) need be immortal or eternal. That's not the case with every religion.We could define "atheist" as "person who doesn't believe in specifically any enternal and/or omniscient god(s)" but that's a narrower definition than what we use in our world which is just atheist = no gods full stop. When Feige says "Steve Rogers is an atheist" we assume he us using the broadly accepted definition in our world.Except that makes no sense because the guy has met gods in the flesh and witnessed literal miracles.
>People trying to say knowledge(scire) is basically the same thing as belief(credere) and can be used interchangeably without consequence.Total and complete midwits.
>>220854748This is not about what you meant, it's about what you said. And what you said was inherently contradictory, which required pointing out.
>>220855150Where does anyone in here say that?You might want to increase your reading comprehenison capabilities.
>>220854951>the guy has met gods in the fleshAnd has also learnt that they aren't actual gods.
>>220855208>Uhhh actually if you have knowledge of something, you have belief of it.>>220854109>Well, technically, if you know something, you also believe it. Stop being a pedant.
>>220855190Only contradictory if you ignore the context. But hey, if we are going to ignore context, what made it required for you to be pedantic? Is there some dire consequence to not correcting any vagueness in a random 4chan comment?
>>220848554i was raised in a cult, mormonism. when i finally got out i deconstructed by entire belief system, my entire life really, and now i am firmly atheistthere is no good and grown ass adults, smart, educated one, believing in a sky daddy that answers prayers is simply ridiculous
>>220850519Absolutely taw7eed. Captain America confirmed mumin.>"There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah">t. Captain Amrika
>>220855288In other words, you admit that your previous post was incorrect. Good.
>>220855238Are you deliberately being obtuse?The majority of the post you just replied to was questioning your implied definition of "actual" gods.If they met a dude named Yahweh in another dimension and he said he created their universe with his dimensions equivalent of infinity stones and the entire bible was 100% true, would that guy be an "actual" god or not per your definition? Why or why not?
>gorr the god butcher hates gods because they didn’t help his dying planet which was suffering from a super drought>thor in marvel is usually just a super strong guy. He isn’t omnipotent or omnipresent. There’s no way he could have reasonably known about gorr’s suffering to help himAs usual, any fiction trying to have gods co-exist with mortals makes absolutely no sense
>>220855291>Only contradictory if you ignore the context.No. An incorrect sentence doesn't become correct just because you add some context. It's still incorrect. Context only helps you when your sentence is otherwise ambiguous.Why are you so butthurt over a correction anyway? Shouldn't you be thankful that you learnt something and can express yourself with more clarity in the future?
>>220855313You're not an "atheist" as much as you're a post-mormon. You're still reacting against the mormon idea of God as a personal genie.
>>220855313How do I unsubscribe from your blog?
>>220855337>Someone literally says you can use them interchangeably with little regard because if you have belief of something you know it too.You're a retard and trying to back away from your own stupidity, but it's out there. You're way dumber than you think.
How do you become an atheist after seeing all that supernatural shit? One of his friends is literally Thor the god of thunder
>>220854951>When a normal human guy can use magic rocks to create conscious life from the void, how do we define Godhood?steve rogers was a christian, who believed in the christian god. Doing magic with rocks doesn't make you god. >You're operating on the assumption that God(s) need be immortal or eternal. That's not the case with every religion.it's the case for christianity, and steve rogers was a christian>Except that makes no sense because the guy has met gods in the flesh and witnessed literal miracles.he has seen aliens do space magic, which has nothing to do with christianity. it seems very likely that steve rogers would instead see all this crazy shit and met some guy who's like a 1000 year old australian dudebro who can fly and shoot lightning, and then realized having a worldview based on the beliefs of some 2000 year old israelis who clearly didn't understand the world at all (due to their lack of knowledge of all the actual canonical magic in the world and space aliens and stuff) was silly.
>>220855386Fake gods don't register as actual divinities to anyone, just as some dude with powers.
>>220855346>and he said he created their universe with his dimensions equivalent of infinity stones and the entire bible was 100% trueDo the Norse gods in those comics/films ever imply anything close to that? That the Norse creation myths were true? That Buri, the first of them, was licked out of a salt rock by a huge cow? I don't think so.
>>220848688You got it backwards. Jesus was a real person but all signs point to him being a cult leader, and not an actual godly figure. However, there’s no reason not to believe some higher power didn’t create everything or that there isn’t some plan for us afterwards. Why would everything that exists just come into existence for no reason? There has to be more at play here.
>>220855385>trying to back away from your own stupiditySays the idiot who just admitted that indeed no one said belief and knowledge were the same. Or do you still not understand what subcategories are?
>>220854463>that was a long time ago what does it have to do with the OP2020-2023 was generally considered the height of "woke," of course they're going to say something like that.
>>220855386one of his friends is some flying alien who argues with his dad a lot, who was called a god by primitive humans who didn't know any betterwhich religion should this influence him towards? Not norse paganism, as his understanding of the norse gods is completely different, seeing the norse gods as just alien people. And which other religion does personally knowing thor push him towards? It also makes religions which don't worship thor to seem unlikely, because they didn't even worship someone who logically would seem to be a god to primitive humans.
>>220855433Are you going to answer the core challenge of defining what is or isn't a "real god" or are you going to deflect by challenging a hypothetical created only to flesh out your definition of a "real god"?
>>220849000Nothing Ever Happens.
>>220855386To be fair I wouldn’t worship any asguardians after seeing how fucked their family is
>>220855453>Why would everything that exists just come into existence for no reason?and the reason is that some guy came into existence for no reason and created the world?that doesn't seem any more reasonable
>>220855453>Why would everything that exists just come into existence for no reason?Does the higher power exist? If so, why would it come into existence for no reason? Or if it did come into existence for a reason, what even higher power brought it into existence? Of course, you can then ask the same question about said even higher power. And its supposed creator. Ans that supposed creator's creator. And so on.What's the point you stop at? And why?
>>220855453So what you're saying is... We should worship Allah? Islam is the true religion? Or maybe it's Confucianism and Chinese Folk Religion, they seem to be quite blessed.
>>220848704It's performative. The same guy who is trad larping and making a faggot out of himself in one tab is on any of a dozen porn boards in another tab.
>>220855380I'm supposed to have learned what, to dumb down my comments to the lowest common denominator so retards who doesn't understand context doesn't have to feel stupid? But I ask again. What great harm or dire consequence did you imagine you were preventing by being pedantic over a random comment on 4chan that you felt were more vague than necessary?
>>220855413Ok, so you've stated your reasoning as to why Steve Rodgers would not be a Christian, but Christianity is not the only religion. Feige's assertion is that he is an atheist, which implies no gods whatsoever. He could believe in other gods. You know, like the ones he hangs out with. This isn't early 2010's YouTube where the only options are Christianity or atheism.I agree the existence of beings with supernatural powers would require major updates to the theology of most religions in our universe to be more compatible with the MCU's universe, excluding Norse Paganism, which was apparently the One True Faith all along.
>>220854023No, there's a stark difference between Thor 2's>WE ARE NOT GODS!and casually calling themselves and each other gods in future movies. I'd even go so far as to say it's a soft retcon. The gods in Norse mythology can die so Loki dying isn't a problem. Of course, it's still the gray, watered-down MCU so the gods don't do much that's godlike, especially the ones not named Thor. They just create knives for some reason.
>>220855496Your argument was that meeting the Christian god who told you "everything in the bible is true" was comparable to what happens with the Norse gods in those comics.I question this assessment, and it seems I am right to do so, since rather than giving an answer, you're trying to deflect.So, let's do this the other way around. Let's say you meet the supposed Christian God and he tells you "Yeah, that whole old testament bullshit is mostly made up, the world already existed when I came along. I just helped out those middle eastern people a few times by telling them which countries to evade and whom to genocide. Oh, and, yeah, that Jesus guy was my son and he had superpowers. But you should have seen Mary, you wouldn't have kept it in your pants either". Would you still consider him a god?
>>220855504I wouldn't worship them but I could at least acknowledge their existence
>>220855541>I'm supposed to have learned whatThat knowledge is a specific for of belief, and that they are in fact not antithetical and shouldn't be treated as such.
>>220855593but the gods he hangs out with aren't really gods, they're just people with superpowers. They don't exhibit any godlike traits which aren't shared with normal humans that also have superpowers for non-godlike reasonssteve rogers' experiences make norse paganism specifically impossible, because the gods they worship are proven to not be gods at all. Thor doesn't even act like a god, or expect worship at all.
>>220855460>Subcategories of "knowledge" and "belief."You're the worst. A navel gazing, pseudo intellectual, pedant. Stop posting.
>>220855512>>220855519>>220855529You really going to look at everything that exists and tell me it all just farted itself into existence one day? Could you imagine if humans didn’t exist. What would it all be for? Why have so many planets and stars if there’s no one to appreciate them.
>>220855649How are you still struggling to understand that belief in the context of this thread refers to religious belief or faith? And I'll try a third time. What force or power required you to pick this pointless silly argument?
>>220855718no, I think some big guy with a beard farted himself into existence one day and then made all this stuff in the world for arbitrary and autistic reasons. And I believe this specifically because some 2000 year old jews said so, and they're so much more reliable than the alternatives suggested by the 2000 year old jeets, the 2000 year old chinks, and whoever else has an opinion on which old guy farted into existence and made the world
>>220855766Anon, I'm saying the Chinks are right. They're absolutely right, and I want to see you deny them. You're so keyed to insulting Christians you can't even fathom attacking other religions.
>>220848554I'm just gonna say this once : the elites are all satanic, it is known. They hate religious, spiritual people. And you know what atheists are? Satanist's errand boys. If you think being an atheist is cool and smart you should think again. Atheists are fighting someone else's battle, gaining nothing, sitting in a cuck chair and once in a while those satanists will let you suck their cocks that you call 'science'. The higher reality of this world is a war between negative and positive polarities, always has been and always will be. 'Muh rather reign in hell blah blah', even satan hates that place
>>220855788thanks, you've convinced meI now believe all the exact same retarded shit except god has slanty eyes this time
>>220855613>Would you still consider him a god?Possibly, if you can further define the following:>telling them which countries to evade and whom to genocide.How did he "tell them"? Telepathy?>Oh, and, yeah, that Jesus guy was my son and he had superpowers.What sort of powers? By what mechanism did they operate? Does this imply the entire New Testament is true including Christ's resurrection and ascension?>But you should have seen Mary, you wouldn't have kept it in your pants eitherDoes this imply that Jesus was conceived in the normal manner and not miraculously?I would also like to point out your entire line of questions is just another smokescreen to avoid delineating between "god" and, "alien being with supernatural powers". So please do so before answering my follow-up questions.
>>220855766Why do you keep bringing up Christianity? Read the posts you’re responding to you illiterate retard.
>>220855853see >>220855804
>>220855676What would make them "real gods"? How would Thor "act like a god?"
>>220855718the simple answer is I don’t know and neither do you, and even if there is a “God” he’s obviously not like how any religion defines him. So that leaves us at a rather meaningless place for discussion. God may be real but we know nothing about him and he’s basically just a variable in a formula solving why existence exists, the same as scientists just saying “uhhh idk dark matter bro” for a formula they can’t solve
>>220855879>>220855804Oh wow, now you're throwing a tantrum because you don’t want to show you have zero fucking idea what other religions are like. Your entire world reference is Christianity and bits of Islam or Judaism.
>>220855886a god is a spiritual being who usually represents some aspect of nature, and is the subject of worshipthor isn't a spiritual being, he's an alien. And he isn't worshiped and doesn't expect worship. The only thing that makes thor godlike is his power, but in marvel he's not that uniquely powerful compared to other non-gods. A real god would be spiritually relevant for humans. For instance, in norse mythology human heroes live with the gods in the afterlife. This is a real spiritual power that the norse gods don't exhibit in marvel, because they aren't spiritual beings. They don't interact with human souls, there's no norse afterlife, they don't hear or answer prayers, etc.
>>220855879This isn’t helping your case. You’re still a retard who threw a tantrum about Christianity when the conversation was about the existence of a high power, not about Christianity.
>>220855972>>220855976and you aren't providing any of your actual beliefs, you're just vaguely gesturing to some creator and then complaining when I fill in the gapsif you want to claim that some specific chinese god is real, go right ahead. Say what you mean directly.
>>220856009In other words you’re projecting so you can throw a tantrum
>>220856098as I just said, if you want to claim that some specific chinese god is real, go right ahead. Say what you mean directly.
I think the main issue we've uncovered in this thread is that pretty much all superhero media is inherently dumb in that it acts like people with supernatural powers running around wouldn't lead to a fundamental shift in the theology of all major religions, if not shape it from the outset.If Superman or Dr. Manhattan or whatever suddenly appeared, people would absolutely see them as the second coming / messiah / whatever.If superpowers were a common occurrence throughout history, major religions would have been constructed with an explanation of them as gods or angels or something.
>>220856120Ok I’ll say what I mean directly. I believe that you are a retard. Is that clear enough for you? I told you to read the posts you’re responding to because I already explained myself right here >>220855453. I don’t think Christianity or any religion on earth is right but I think it’s more likely that there’s a higher power involved in the creation of the universe than for everything to just exist for no reason whatsoever. Is that so hard to grasp you dumb cunt?
>>220855974Those are some really good points. While the Norse Pantheon undeniably exists in the MCU, other aspects like the Valkyries bearing the souls of fallen warriors into their mead hall do not.I think that if Thor suddenly appeared on earth, realistically there would be a massive Neopagan revival in northen Europe if not worldwide. New religious leaders would probably explain the discrepancies with ideas like reincarnation. The miscellaneous citizens of Asgard we see in the background of the MCU are actually the souls of the fallen warriors reincarnated.
>>220855974what's the bifrost then
So how do you make ancient gods exist in a fictional universe as actual legitimate gods, while also making Christianity the one true religion, while also having an after life and hell?
>>220855758>belief in the context of this thread refers to religious beliefIt doesn't. And, ironically, even if it did, there still would (potentially) be a form of "religious knowledge", assuming that there is a religion or part of religion that happens to be true and that one could gain any proof of.>What force or power required you to pick this pointless silly argument?The power of you being wrong. That you double down on being wrong justified my effort (as well as that other anon's) in education you even further.
>>220848554He literally met gods. What?
>>220855803>elites are all satanic, it is known. They hate religious, spiritual people.If they are satanic, then how does that not also make them religious and spiritual? Or are you trying to argue that they hate themselves?
>>220849000>>no civil war or mass murder everyone just goes back to work like nothing happened DUDE spiderman is going on vacation!To be fair that was literally the plot of the Captain Nigmerica show, but they tried to awkwardly make it an allegory for BLM.
>>220855974There is no Norse afterlife because all souls are subject to the will of God and Christ, obviously. +1 for Christianity
>>220855829>How did he "tell them"? Telepathy?Maybe, if that's his superhero power. Or maybe he just has a really loud voice? Otherwise, I guess he could just have met with them, their leaders, that is.>What sort of powers? By what mechanism did they operate?Well, maybe those from the bible. Maybe just some of them or weaker versions, given how things get overblown in recollections. Maybe he was a healer, or just had alien medicine knowledge from his dad. Maybe he could change the molecular makeup of stuff, which would explain that water/wine thingy.>including Christ's resurrection and ascension?Yeah, no, probably not. Ressurection is not something superheroes can pull off that easily. And ascension? Where to even? Some alien spaceship?>Does this imply that Jesus was conceived in the normal manner and not miraculously?Well, you met the guy. You tell me whether you think Mary falling for him should be considered a miracle.>delineating between "god" and, "alien being with supernatural powers".I mean, it shouldn't be too hard to do that. The Judeo-Christian god is generally described as omnipotent and omnipresent. And also having always existed rather than being born. An alien superhero wouldn't be either of those.
>>220856566And what happens if any sentence you see that might be wrong out of context doesn't get corrected by you? Is it an OCD thing where it feels like the sky is about to fall?
>>220856794>And what happens if any sentence you see that might be wrong out of context doesn't get corrected by you?Then that sentence's author is worse off for believing something that is untrue.
>>220856869And that makes it a requirement for you to correct it how? And if it was to help, why the insults?
>>220856751I'm impressed with your commitment to vague non-answers for each. You seem to be angling toward Yahweh being an alien rather than a God due to the lack of a heaven and ascension by Jesus, but I originally proposed Yahweh existing in another dimension accessed by a Dr. Strange portal or somesuch. Jesus returning to this "heaven" dimension counts as ascension I guess.I'll say this is the deciding factor:Did your Jesus perform the multiplication of the loaves and fishes? If so, what was the mechanism?1. Creation of matter from nothing in violation of the law of conservation of mass: bona-fide god.2. Assembly through latent carbon in the environment or somesuch: alien fraud3. Teleportation from another dimension: medium demi-godThe real issue is that the MCU includes both planets with alien life as well as a "multiverse" with other dimensions like or unlike our own. It explicitly states that Asgard is a planet, not another dimension, so that puts Thor in the "alien" box. However, if there's an alternate dimension version of Thor that somehow hears the prayers of faithful norse pagans, that would be a true god. Maybe our Thor can pray to the other version of him when he needs help.
>>220856430You just post a gif of Black Widow getting buttfucked in the pussy by Big Hulk Cock
>>220848581You don't get it. Atheist = not christcuck
