>I honestly thought that The Phantom Menace would have been so much better if he'd given the old fans a little bit of what they wanted, in just topping and tailing the whole new trilogy. The film starts in the Falcon, and all the old guys are in there with beards and Chewie's a bit grey. And they've got a little place to go - they're flying in hyperspace and one of Han's kids goes, "What happened in the beginning, Uncle Luke?" and he goes, "Well..." And then the story unfolds. Just to see those guys again would have been fabulous.
>>220888062Cunt is too cowardly to make this same critique for the new movies
Honestly that would've spared the OT cast from getting shit on in any future stories (like the Disney trilogy)
>>220888062>What if they removed the political intrigue from the start of the phantom menace and replaced it with nostalgiaslop?No thanks. Phantom Menace is perfect as it is.
>>220888211Phantom Menace is absolute dog shit you fat faggot
>>220888232The prequels were great. The OT is unwatchable if you started with them, too gay in comparison.
>>220888232You're confused, anon. Although you might love dog shit, for the rest of the world it's an insult. Phantom Menace is good, therefore it can't be dog shit.Dog shit would be something like Farce Awakens. Altough I'd say it's worse, since dog shit can at least be used as fertilizer.
>>220888278I tried watching the prequels again recently and they're genuinely terrible. The acting is shit, the CGI is shit, the plot is shit, the dialogue is shit, the cinematography is shit, the worldbuilding is shit. There's genuinely nothing good about them.
>>220888062>"What happened in the beginning, Uncle Luke?" and he goes, "Well...I tried to murder you
Star Trek Enterprise didn't start like this but it ended like this and everyone hated it
>>220888211>political intrigueThere's a dispute over space taxes and trade n shit and uhhhhhh
>>220888309Love how prequelfags can't even defend their shitty trilogy without whataboutising the sequels. Both can be liquid diarrhea.
>>220888062>if they all got together one last last time>hit the road>even to just pick up some space gas
The problem with TPM is it's at two extremes with no middle. George wanted the new trilogy to grow with its audience, starting with kids, so the Anakin side of the story is very kid-oriented, wacky adventures, fast, loud, cool things happening because they're cool. Kids loved Jar Jar. But he also wanted to fully flesh out the backdrop to the events that would shape the wider story, because he has a lot invested in telling the story of the galaxy as a whole, so you get all the Senate stuff, very sober, lots of talking. And there's nothing to stitch it together, so you just lurch from The Goonies to The West Wing and back again over and over until it gives you whiplash.
>>220888211Based as fuck. I cant believe it still filters retards. I think I'm going to watch the intro in my cinema after lunch.
I recently thought about how the prequels should have endedAnd instead of Anakin being a gullible retard, Palpatine should really have had something that can bring someone back from the dead but it's a one use deal. And he ends up using it on Anakin when Obi-Wan kills him.
>>220888062Why would Luke know about Anakin's podracing career?Pegg should stick to zombie comedy movies
>>220888401>Wars were never started over taxes and trade routes >They were always about bad guys being bad and good guys being goodAverage gen x fucking retards understanding of history. No wonder the prequels went over their sub 70 IQ lead paint eating asses.
>>220888062That would've been fucking awful. Simon Pegg once again proves himself to be an absolute mongoloid.
>>220888168No one could have predicted how hard boomers would rape the franchise the second Lucas gave up any controlBut you're right and that's really sad
>>220888062how episode 1 should have started:>the doors get barricaded and the theater fills up with poisonous gas
>>220888470>gets famous for hating on the prequels>immediately agrees to cameo in the sequels>sees them turn to shit>refuses to comment on the sequel's qualityhe's everything he swore he hated
>>220888062there's no flashbacks in the originals, right? it's all what's happening "now" even if they're traveling or hiding for hours off screen or whateverthere's visions but they're had by a character at that point in the story not some tricky narrative (not that a storytelling framing device isn't too heavy but some normies, like 1 or 2 out of 10, would literally go "where's the old guys" after 30 minutes)
That framing would open up a ton of "well, that was just Luke's interpretation of what happened since he was telling the story" theorycrafting shit. No thanks.
>>220888581>there is visions
>>220888469No the point I was trying to make is it was fucking boring and made no sense.
>>220888581>where is the old guys
>>220888062Simon Pegg's Phantom Menace rant in Space>RLM
>>220888062What a fucking retard
>>220888062That's imbecilic. See >>220888211If anything, I want more politics and talk about tax policy. Remember: The Separatists were right.
Doesn’t this guy complain about manchildren all the time?
>>220888062No way this is a real quote, that is too dumb even for Simon Pegg
>>220888062Simon Pegg has been retarded for decades. Too many pozzed load from JJ.
even pegg sort of came around on some of the merits of the prequels compared to the sequels and he was in one
>>220888062>"What happened in the beginning, Uncle Luke?" and he goes, "Well...">"Your great grandma was a virgin slave owned by this little flying jew...">"Qui Gon rescued this lanky alien who said stuff like "meesa poopoo meesa pant"...">"Your granddad had more midichlorians than Yoda, who was this little green alien that I watched die...">"Midichlorians? They are microscopic bugs in your blood that let you command the force which is a power that suffuses all life in the galaxy...">"No, the force isn't made of midichlorians. Midichlorians are good bacteria, like the stuff in Yakult...">"Yakult is a sweetened probiotic milk beverage fermented with the Lacticaseibacillus casei Shirota bacteria strain..."
>>220888460Anakin isn't being gullible at the end. When he says "What have I done," he knows he's fucked, but at least Palpatine can still maybe save Padme. He's desperate and has been groomed from a young age to be just as he is.Then as Darth Vader, he can no longer kill Sidious, but he will want to and try to.
>>220888062He’s right for the wrong reasons. If George had done that it would have at least made it much harder for Disney to ruin Star Wars or not ruin it quite as much at least.
>>220888062>"What happened in the beginning, Uncle Luke?" and he goes, "Well..."the jedi were pieces of shit
>>220888748>Spaced I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. 20 years ago, it had a freshness, a sense of cutting-edge nerd culture. Then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The bad penny first dropped in Milton Keynes when a sweet-faced boy of twenty-five told me proudly he had seen Spaced over a hundred times. His weary carer nodded with approval. Looking into the boy's eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guess that one day they would explode. 'I would love for you to do something for me,' I said. 'Anything! Anything!' the beard-child said rapturously. 'You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do.' I said. 'Anything, Simon, anything!' 'Well,' I said, 'do you think you could promise never to see Spaced again?' He bursts into tears. His handler drew herself up to an increased height. 'What a dreadful thing to say to a neurodivergent man!' she barked, and eased the screaming little fellow away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his forties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
>>220888098Shut the fuck up and eat shit to own the chuds, you’re not an incel are you? Consoom your slop and stop noticing things.
>>220888062That would have been absolutely awfulWhy would Episode 1 start off with old Episode 6 characters
>>220888278TPM is the best of the prequels
>>220888876Because apparently star wars was never about stars or wars, it was always supposed to be about catering to 40 year old failure to launch man children.
>>220888278Kek 35% expected TPM to be better than Episode 4. So 35% of those polled were objectively retarded. Then about that number rated TPM as "excellent." Conclusion? About 1/3 of Star Wars fans are 100% retarded.
>>220888322you are shit and too dumb to view them. which is insane, considering they are childrens movies.
>>220889120Seethe prequeltranny
>>220888418We have nothing to defend and you're delusional if you think the prequels are as bad as the sequels.
>>220888845Did I ever tell you about Nick Frost? He was a good friend.
>>220888062Didn't Simon Pegg say something about how constant nostalgia was bad?
>>220888517HE BECAME THE VERY THING HE SWORE TO DESTROY
>>220888062Simon gets Pegged should kill himself
>just show me my guys, and then I'll be happy with the movieThis is the exact problem. People need to get over this idea that SW is a franchise about Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford anyway. That's not why the original movies were good. The prequels already had Ewan McGreggor, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee and Samuel L Jackson to work with. The fact that they kind of wasted that opportunity was the problem.
>>220888748Yeah, but the context in spaced is that Tim is a man child who needs to stop taking SW so seriously. Bill Bailey even says "remember the Ewoks? They were rubbish".
>>220889384tbqh that's how i originally interpreted the Mr Plinkett review. i hadn't seen the previous ones.i thought it was an Alan Partridge type character. i.e. the joke is how senile and ridiculous Plinkett is, right down to plagiarising other people's words/images (imagine doing that not-as-a-joke on Newgrounds or somewhere, but Mr Plinkett is a tech-illiterate old guy).then the guys started appearing on-camera, and no, it was a legitimate vehicle for Mike's actual opinions. how embarrassing.
>>220888397I was considering watching Trek in chronological order, what show does the ending of Enterprise reference?>>220888437They're still in time to do that>Goose delivers the child to safety at the end of Starfighter>Luke, Han and Leia are shown to be alive and well there>refuse to elaborate>movie ends
>>220888062>>220888211My one issue with Phantom Menace and the Prequels: Lars should have been Anakin's childhood friend.
>>220888062Even in this fake image Ford looks tired.
>>220889981the ending of Enterprise does a "camera pulls back" moment, and you realise the whole thing was Riker watching the events of the show in the holodeck.
>>220888437>>220889981>The bulk of prequel haters don't want a star wars movie, they just want their stand in mom and stand in dad to be together againLmao. This is how you can tell the average OT "enjoyer" probably lived in some crack den, got beat by their mom with an electric cable, and dad just one day up and left and never came home. The movies are literally a replacement for their broken homes they had growing up. This is why well-adjust people prefer the prequels.
>>220890057was it the whole series or just that last episode? If so Trip is still alive.
>>220888062Hayden should have played Anakin in phantom menaceAlso the clone wars should have already been going on before the start of the film
>>220890056Yeah because1. Ford hates Star Wars2. That's from when he was filming TFA alongside Daisy "OI BOIPOORRSED THA COMPRESSAH" Ridley
>>220890102I don't know. Intentionally ambiguous maybe.
>>220890129Hey $35 million dollars is still $35 million dollars at the end of the day. Imagine he quoted Disney a number he thought they would never pay out then they did.
>>220888309>dog shit can at least be used as fertilizer.No, it can't. You don't know shit about fertilizer or movies.
>>220890072>hey let's all make our dreams uglier...
>>220890544There's a movie series for people like you.
>>220888437Jesus Christ, dude, let it go!
>>220889244I never saw Spaced. Is Nick Frost a character or a real life person who had a falling out with Simon Pegg?
>>220888460the prequels should have ended with Anakin becoming Darth Vader. it felt like the whole trilogy was building up to that but then it just didn’t happen.
>>220890637Carebears 4 is the only good Carebears movie. Everything before and after that is shit.
>>220890043> Lars should have been Anakin's childhood friend.what's your thinking here, anon?i can't remember exactly what's set up in A New Hope, but i did take them to be Luke's actual aunt and uncle (Owen probably his O.G. dad's brother). i know the prequels have a lot of inconsistencies, but when Anakin and Padme visit the farm, C-3PO is already working for them, then they meet R2-D2. lol wut,
reminder that Simon Pegg touted the possibility of a Spaced: 10 Years Later special (mite b cool, a lot of British sitcoms do this). but he gave some gay excuse like 'it would have to include the whole cast, and now the dog is dead IRL.'
>>220890656I did.I let Star Wars go.So did everyone else it seems.
>>220888062All the prequels needed was to be good. Have engaging characters, dialog and chemistry between the characters. They had none of these, certainly not Phantom...can't bring myself to even attempt the other 2 sequels after 20 years.
>>220888098This
>>220888062>I honestly thought that The Phantom Menace would have been so much better if he'd given the old fans a little bit of what they wantedThat's the midset that lead us to TFA
>>220888098You idiot. Why would he criticise his own vision? They new movies are the way they are because they consulted Simon Pegg extensively
>>220888098Yeah, Lucas didn't let him play Jek Portions in the prequels
>>220888098Pretty muchCalled the prequels low effort toy commercials the jumped at the chance to star in his butt buddy JJ Abrams' low effort toy commercialsProper fucking wanker if ever there was one
>>220888278>The prequels were greathahahah the prequels had the Star Wars name to coast on, and you need fucking polls to tell if they are good or not? hahahaha the OT bever needed any polls, everyone loved them, polls are for fanboys to show up and vote, they are complete bullshit, just like jAR jAR and the rest of the yippeeee this is where the shit begins ANAKIN ur breaking my hearrrt NOOOOOO lol
>>220888469yeah dude TPM is so high IQ with george having to write in force speed to get obi wan and qui gonn out of a tough spot and never utilize it ever again
>>220888062Holy fucking garbage.What a colossal retard.
>>220888211Perfectly shit
>>220888309Truly pathetic attempt at a comeback
>>220890111Hayden wasn’t 9 years old for TPM
>>220888506Why do I falsely remember a confabulated scene of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon getting sealed in with blast doors and gassed and stranger still I look it up and I have in fact confabulated the confabulation and that is a real scene that I imagined I falsely remembered
>>220888062A reminder that Pegg was in TFA with his buddy JJ at the helm and they purposefully did not have a single scene with Han, Luke and Leia together.Not one.
>>220893967i liked the Solo Twins and New Jedi Order novels, but for the purpose of a snappy movie, i'm happy with them all being separated.none of it went anywhere, sure, but i was fine with the idea. i don't give a shit there wasn't that scene where Luke gets off his X-Wing and they all have a group hug while the theme blares.what they SHOULD have done is had interesting NEW characters, whose stories actually went somewhere.
>>220893182Aside from the death touch of JJ himself, the production for the force awakens was promising with the commitment to filming on locations and sets with practical effects and creatures. I think most of the new alien designs were kind of boring and nothing close to watching the cantina scene or jabba's palace as a kid and being blown away by all the weird monsters and shit hanging out at this bar. The real problem with TFA is that it squanders the good will people were willing to give to it. The premise isn't horrible, the characters are fine as introduced, its just that the minute the plot happens, everyone loses all agency and become comic relief sidekicks falling ass first from one stupid spectacle set piece to another so fast the audience doesn't have time to think about it. When the movie is over, and you look back, its not an interesting story, its just universal tours through a new hope.
>>220895483At the time of its release, I remember the consensus being that its quality would be determined retroactively depending on how good/bad its sequels were.Yeah...
>>220895530Sort of like star trek 2009. You go in knowing its going to be a soft reboot to establish this new cast of characters, and to ease back into the setting. You're willing to forgive some plot contrivances and story elements because its less important than setting things up. Oh is a planet getting blown up? That's kind of stupid, but you need some flashy shit, and surely they'll tone that town instead of escalating it in the sequels. But then they take all of that and just kind of do nothing with it. The last jedi isn't a good movie, but I almost find it admirable as a spite fence since it took all those lazy mystery boxes and took a big stinky shit in them, and resets the board with a fairly clean slate. The stupid nu-emperor is dead, the rebellion is basically wiped out, luke isn't just yoda-2, rei isn't related to the sacred blood lines, blah blah blah.And then when revenge of the sith comes around JJ freaks out and tries to back pedal everything so he can just make a shittier return of the jedi.
>>220895483It was well-intentioned but they made many, many mistakes. Chiefly of which was that they approached it like a sci-fi action movie, when it was always a fantasy/fairy tale series at heart. They modernised it, with contemporary photography, editing, and self-aware Whedon-esque quips, failing to realise that Star Wars was an incredibly old-fashioned movie even for 1977, despite the cutting edge technology. They then followed up this catastrophic oversight with zero plan for future movies, borrowing excessively from ANH, and by prioritising new characters over legacy ones.Like I said, well-intentioned, but a spectacular mess all round. They just didn't get it.
>>220895822The problem is mostly on JJ I think, he's just such an empty chair of a director. He's got no real vision or skill, he's just a shitty copy of spielberg but without any heart and I don't really like any film hes ever done except maybe clover field for just being a top tier premise for a movie (that kind of ruins that when they're just running away from little monsters for half the movie). Though I guess everything goes higher than that. I don't know why they didn't have a producer and creative team at the helm to at least sketch out a plot for three movies. Everyone always points out that lucas didn't do that for the OT, but when he was making the movie he wasn't even sure if the fucking thing was going to make it across the finish line, let alone being some massive cultural explosion. The prequels were made as a trilogy, and disney KNEW they were doing the same thing, so why not at least have an outline.
>>220888062Didn't he delete all of his NeoGaf posts when he got the Lucasfilm gig? That guy is a tool
>>220895981I'm pretty sure disney lawyers scrub through things like that before they let anyone on set. Specifically to avoid fiascos like what happened with james gunn.
>>220888062The movies write themselves its so cringe they were anything but>Leia is a senator, Luke is a jedi academy teacher, Han is an ambassador, they all have kidsBam, easy script 100 page script
>>220895945in another timeline they could have given it Peter Jackson, and he could have been too absorbed in that to make the Hobbit movies.They could have given it Gore Verbinski or Guillermo Del Toro.It's literally all RLM's fault, for their stupid suggestion.>we prefer the guy who made an okay at best Star Trek movie, just because we hate George Lucas that much, lmao
>>220895981Simon Pegg was on NeoGAF?
