As Star Wars flops, and begins to fall to irrelevance, the Sequel Trilogy defenders turn increasingly deranged.
>>220894449>uses art of Luke from Dark Empire where he is Sheev's apprentice Ok bro
luke died in an ewok orgy that started right after the credits rolled in rotj
>>220894449Yeah they’re crazy. Not getting paid but still doing free PR work for Disney lmao
>>220894449>never lostESB exists>never failedESB exists>never falteredESB & ROTJ exist>never doubtedROTJ existsGas the "journalists".
>>220894449>sequel trilogy defendersI was gonna say these can't possibly be real, but then I remembered there are actually prequel defenders out there.
>>220894721This is the actual current tactic of sequel defenders btw. Pointing at the prequels
>>220894449It's insane how people can write such insane strawman arguments unironically.But then I spend time on this board so I shouldn't be surprisedI would fucking love a darkside Luke big boss - just FUCKING WRITE HIM COMPETENTLY YOU FUCKS
>>220894449>never lost or failedUmmmmm what? Did this person not watch Empire Strikes Back and see the ending?
>>220894744It's like people are just begging Disney to make more Star Wars slop.
>>220894449rian johnson wrote that bullshit with a log of his own shit to le subvert le audience
>>220894449The sequel trilogy perfectly sums up modern liberalism compared to classic liberalism aka the original trilogy>Tries to be the new hip rebirth>is soulless fucking trash that is inorganically forced but just becomes more deranged and hated>original was based skillful white people>sequels are diverse assortment of incompetents>original made by a great visionary>sequels made by a faceless commitee of retards and crooksIts like poetry
>>220894449Luke's 'enemy within' shown in The Last Jedi was actually his homosexual pedophilic incestuous lust, if you have the slightest ability to recognize subtext. For some reason the people who cry all day about how Rian's main jollies come from upsetting subversions still jump to his defence against this reading though "he wouldn't do that!".
>>220894449There is no bigger or more powerful enemy coming. According to George, anyway. Luke would never stop defending people, but it wouldn’t be as engaging to the audience. His cameo in the Mandalorian might actually be the best way to use a character like that.
>>220894449Here is the original tweet, a literally who trollhttps://x.com/TatooineSons/status/2061405439993024891one thing I noticed is that John Cena follows a lot of retards like this and leftists as well. Was there a time when he was selling his follows?
I like the sequels. I don’t care. I have a gf btw.
>>220894861(And yes, she's trans.)
>>220894449>defeat the enemy within>truly interestinghe already did that in the story that is the OT. it was the main crux to the resolution. they must have amnesia. they forgot what happened. they forgot i'm him.
>>220894449People who say that shit never read any of the EU where Luke constantly fails and gets better from it, because he's not a fucking moron coward who ran away and let everyone else deal with the Empire.
>>220894890It's a troll account. Probably OP's thus why he hid the user namehttps://x.com/TatooineSons/status/2061405439993024891
>>220894449>talking about doubt, despair and internal conflict>uses Dark Empire LukeIs this genuine? Is this bait? As poor as Dark Empire could be at times Luke was struggling hard to overcome the conflicts within himself and the doubt plaguing him if he could truly overcome Reborn Palpatine. Sequel Luke is a pale bitter shadow written by spiteful people who hate legacy and heroes.
>>220894449I don't mind Luke's characterization in TLJ, exactly. I'm an OT purist, but I've never found Luke himself all that interesting anyway. My issue is the way the state of things (including the characters) is established and subsequently justified, or failed to be justified. Hamill's performance in TLJ is good. But his dynamic with Rey is so flat that the story as a whole doesn't really work for me and never has. Neither the rut nor the way Luke gets out of it is compelling.
>>220894916>>220894833It's not a troll account. This fucker has 62k tweets. He's just homegrown crazy.
>>220894965I disagree Hamil is just not a good actor and he is getting worse with age.
>>220894449>before video games started telling truly interesting storiesBefore Anita Sarkeesian & co set the creative course is what they mean. Go ask the devs at major studios about the health of the industry. I suppose the comparison to Lucasfilm is pretty fitting indeed.
>>220894449>desired for bysaar
>>220894449Luke is your Jesus character. Imagine if the bible just ended with Jesus being an emo faggot then dying to a random fart.
>>220894813You say that while Lucas was such a liberal ass hat he named the Trade Federation Leaders after Newt Gingrich and Reagan out of petty revenge.
>>220894861What do you like about them
>>220894490/thread
>>220895735Jesus literally cries "FATHER WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME" then jobs to an unnamed roman soldier with a spear
>>220896106Jesus didn't try to murder a sleeping kid because of a bad dream though.
>>220894449Isn't that image from Dark Empire? Using the story about Luke falling to the dark side and needing to be redeemed by Leia is a terrible way to get this wrong point across. I can't stand fags who have zero eu knowledge but suckle Disney's teat
>>220894449There are no sequel fans anywhere
>>220896191>ERMMMMM YOU HAVENT READ THE FOURTEEN COMICS AND SEVEN NOVELS FROM 1996? FAKE FAN BAKA
>>220896218Objectively yes, that's a fake fan.
>>220896218No one said you have to read everything. I'm just baffled when I see star wars fans who have zero experience with the EU when there is plenty of good stuff in there. It's especially weird when they are hardcore Disney era fans
>>220896232You have a fake vagina (YWNBAW)
>>220896238>plenty of good stuffIt has a couple of pretty OK books for licensed genre fiction.
>>220894449>They want a boring character who has never lost failed faltered doubted blah blah blah I’m guessing the writer isn’t a fan of Rey then?
Luke had a difficult journey to get to the end of ROTJ, he nearly died fighting a fucking Yeti in Empire and the only reason he lived was that Han chose his friend over himself, and profit. The OT continually shows people choosing common good or their friends over profit and when Lando chooses to turn them over to Vader it's shown as a horrible mistake. Luke didn't even beat Vader or The Emperor, but his faith in his father allowed Anakin Skywalker to finally defeat Palpatine because the "Return of the Jedi" was not just Luke becoming a Knight, but Anakin Skywalker finally dispelling Darth Vader and stopping Palpatine. This is why the notion of him ever putting a blade to Ben over a vision instead of KNOWING that the Dark Side can be overcome by types of emotions the Jedi once turned away from.
>>220896299Naw plenty of good comics, books, and games. Give some of them a chance you'll see>For licensed genre fiction Once you've read enough you'll see licensed shit can be just as good or bad as original works
>>220895765>Lucas was such a liberal ass hat he named the Trade Federation Leaders after Newt Gingrich and Reagan out of petty revenge.Yeah but that was fun. Lucas was an old-school liberal.
>>220896375>Naw plenty of good comics, books, and games.What's the point if all of them were declared non-canon? Now you're consuming licensed slop from a franchise that hates you and says everything you're reading never happened.
>>220896352dont point out the obvious anon, you will summon the boards sequel cuck...
>>220896421>What's the point if all of them were declared non-canon?Why would I care about that gay shit? I pick up Jango Fett open seasons and I have a good time. I read the Thrawn trilogy and just enjoy it as is>Now you're consuming licensed slop from a franchise that hates you and says everything you're reading never happenedI don't read Disney shit though
>>220896352>Yoda told Luke he wasn't ready and couldn't defeat Vader or save his friends>Refuses to listen to Yoda>Loses to Vader, gets his hand cut off, and fails to save Han
>>220896375>Give some of them a chance you'll seeAnon I grew up on this shit, I loved it, but even as a kid it was always a selective process of willfully ignoring all of the stupid shit out there. A lot of the EU was stuck with the same problem as other franchise shit, nothing happens in the universe unless han, luke, or leia was involved, And even when they are forced to advance the timeline into the future its still all about the solos and skywalkers, the empire has been perpetually losing for decades but is still always a threat with a new warlord every week, until the evil monster space empire shows up for a while, until the future sith empire, and the double-future sith empire... and it just ends up being the same story all the way down.
>>220896352To be fair, the wampa thing was written into the script to hand-wave why it looks like luke got in a car crash and had extensive reconstructive surgery. But it does put him in a convenient low spot to get a message from Obi Wan.
>>220896546Theres plenty of media that has nothing to do with han or the skywalkers though?
>>220896602Getting in that motorcycle accident was all part of the Heroes journey, its like pottery.
>>220896546Sounds like you had too specific of criteria in your selection and didn't read all the stuff without the original trio. Branch out a little
>>220896714How many of those characters still have the names solo and skywalker though? Like I said, i grew up with the EU, I like plenty of it, even as a grown ass adult I re-read I, Jedi. But when disney bought the franchise, and decided to jettison the EU for their sequels, I wasn't upset, they pretty much had to because after jedi the next hundred years is all pretty well mapped out, so you can't just slip in big cinematic events that shake the galaxy that were never mentioned again, and if you legitimize some of the EU to floodgates open and KJA horse shit is now cannon.Its just unfortunate they took that clean slate and did sweet fanny fuck all with it, and expect people to flock to the new EU books to understand all the shit they didn't bother explaining in the movies. Like the OT could get away with a lot of the stuff left explicitly unexplained in the movie because you get it as an audience member - Oh, its an evil empire in space with a Black Knight who has a laser sword, and these people are obviously a rebelling faction. The important stuff is conveyed, and you can go with it as the audience. In TFA however you can't just throw a new empire, and new black knight with a laser sword and expect the audience to roll with you because they've already seen three fucking movies about how the evil empire was overthrown and defeated. But now they're back, and winning again, I guess. The movie never bothers to explain this, but its like the first question an audience member is going to ask when they start watching the movie.
>>220896925Naw it had plenty of good shit that they could've properly mined and been set for years. I don't give a fuck about canon or whatever so acting like the EU had to be completely thrown out or completely adhered to is retarded to me. It's just objectively better than what they did
>>220896971>better than what they didCold dog vomit is better than what they did. I'm saying they could have, SHOULD HAVE, done better. My realistic expectation was them to toss out almost everything except the few things people might recognize, like grand admiral thrawn, which I guess they eventually got around to, but only after it was obvious the sequel movies weren't nearly as impactful as they had hoped. I know if I was in charge of lucasfilm one of the first things I would have done was make a Rogue Squadron movie, not necessarily following the books, but just being top-gun in space. Like I said, I don't hate the EU, I just don't have the same rose tinted glasses towards it NOW as I did when I was 13, even if I still enjoy some of them.
>>220896523And if Luke had listened to Yoda, he would've fought and killed Darth Vader and get twisted into becoming Palpatine's apprenticeStar Wars is pretty clear on the fact that the old uncompromising ways of the Jedi were their downfall. Yoda learned nothing from how the Jedi fell and wanted Luke to be cold and unfeeling
>>220894820People are not ready to address this
they could have been so fucking good too and it was the only chance to include the old cast what a shame
>>220897198>And if Luke had listened to Yoda, he would've fought and killed Darth Vader sure maybe >and get twisted into becoming Palpatine's apprenticewhy would he? He could get mad enough to kill darth vader but why would that make him become palpatine's apprentice?
>>220894449>He's a video game character from the 90's>before video games started telling truly interesting stories>
the real reason they made luke a loser is just so they could rehash the crusty reluctant hermit training the optimistic young jedi arc from ESB almost beat for beat
>>220894820>"he wouldn't do that!"The thing is, it's hard to believe because Adam Driver is really ugly.
>>220894744Sequels and Prequels are both slop garbage.
Really don't get the Dark Empireposting as a Gotcha for EUfags Like 90% of EUfags hated the Dark Empire story and it essentially got clowned on by the later Thrawn/Zahn books as a really stupid eventThe Comic art is really nice though I'll give it that
>>220894813>original made by a great visionary>a visionary that destroyed his own universe with special editions and the prequels
>>220897601yes to both
Star Wars is Dragon Ball and One Piece for Americans its hilarious how obsessed you all are with this mediocre franchise
>>220897628Lucas is not why the OT is good.Lucas IS why the prequels are bad.
>>220897643>Lucas is not why the OT is good.I'm sure he contributed something. The movies are really really good
>>220897682Yes he contributed vague ideas. That other people incorporated and changed.When Lucas got the "vision" he wanted, we got the special editions which are pure cancer.
>>220897827Well whatever the vague ideas were they were probably really important to the success of the movies, which are basically perfect. Lose whatever vague ideas he contributed and you probably lose Star Wars being so great. Same goes for if you lose the editing style, the costume/ship/set design, the music, the acting, etc. Everyone did a phenomenal job.
>>220897462Palpatine would pull the old "I can give you the power to save your friends", which would hit a lot harder if he was previously in a case knowing his friends were tortured and he was too weak to even go out and fight. He'd do whatever it took to save them this go round, as opposed to learning from the utter destruction he endured that he was only bailed out of because he could trust in his friends to keep fighting even when he's not there. More importantly, he would never have learned that Darth Vader is his father and thus he would never be aware that the Emperor could sway even a good man if he wavered.
>>220898067I just can't see Luke being turned lol. I dont really believe the power to be a sterile evil space monster wizard is that appealing. Sure if Palpatine was going to torture all of his friends if he didn't do what he said he might do evil things, but I don't think he would ever turn evil. What could possibly tempt luke? The Emperor's very brief and very weak attempt to persuade Luke to join them is the weakest point in the entire trilogy but whatever the movie had to end I guess lol
>>220897961Jesus get George's dick out of your mouth. I can't understand what you are saying.
>>220898220learn english then xiao
>>220898170>I dont really believe the power to be a sterile evil space monster wizard is that appealing.I mean his friends were at that very moment being blowd the fuck up in space and he thought the ones on the ground were all being held at gunpoint just waiting to be shredded.>Sure if Palpatine was going to torture all of his friends if he didn't do what he said he might do evil things, but I don't think he would ever turn evil. Kind of a vague line there between "Hunt down these people and do evil things" and "I'm not really evil he just might use magic lightning bolts on my friends so you have to die". Dark Side is an actual corrupting force like a drug in this series, if he keeps using it he'll get twisted regardless. Using it to almost kill his father about had him ready to go for more of it before he overcame the temptation.
>>220898246meh, i just don't see any temptation for Luke there... would have been nice if we had a competently written story involving Anakin I guess >dark side is an actual corrupting force like a drug in the series eh, is it? The only references I think we have are Obi Wan saying of Vader >he was seduced by the dark side of the force and Vader himself says >if you only knew the power of the dark side But I don't think they flesh out how it works much beyond those two lines
>>220898355>eh, is it? The only references I think we have are Obi Wan saying of VaderWell then you forgot yoda.>If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan's apprentice.>But I don't think they flesh out how it works much beyond those two linesEmperor and Yoda are pretty clear on it.
>>220898355>But I don't think they flesh out how it works much beyond those two linesRewatch ESB, they talk about it. A lot. And show it with the spooky cave. Obi-Wan makes it sound like an actual person controlling him sometimes.
>>220898657okay but i still see nothing in the dark side capable of tempting luke, he's basically a flawless do-gooder from the beginning
>>220898756damn if only they made like some prequel movies of the same quality as the originals to show this in more detail
>>220895735Luke is Jesus and his apprentices were his apostles thats how it was in the EU Disney Jews dont understand Star Wars
>>220898831they understand and they hate it, because it's good. Jews are completely opposed to literal goodness
>>220894449Sounds like this guy never watched Empire Strikes Back.
>>220894697Fucking A.
i don’t even care about star wars but they were clearly wracking their brains to find ways not to give luke anything satisfying to do, like they knew he had to be in the movie and they hated that so he’s just a pedo that shits himself and dies at the end
>>220894449These retards have zero clue about storytelling. Luke already completed his arc, he already failed, already doubted himself, and already overcame his weakness. These people are just spiteful, insecure failures who cannot fathom someone growing and becoming the best version of themselves, so they project that onto everything else and declare that unless a character keeps being a fuck-up (like them), they are not "interesting". Luke is supposed to be a mentor character after ROTJ, a mentor's role in the story is to guide the new generation, not to keep failing.
>>220894449The sequels were always good and overhated
>>220894697>>220899001>40 year old movie exists so you can't do anything interesting with Luke ever again>he should be stale like his deepfake CGI version
>>220894449I just wanted Luke to grow up to be a powerful successful badass and not a miserable failure.If they want to make Luke a miserable failure, I don't want to pay for Star Wars things
>>220894449>never failed>gets his fucking hand cut off and falls 1000 feet down into tibanna gas mining colony
>>220900531>It's super interesting to make Luke Skywalker a miserable failureKill yourself
>>220894449I think this person should be sentenced to death.
>>220894449Dark Empire was unbelievably fucking retarded and everything people hate about the sequels originates from there.
>>220901017You first bitch. Luke in Episode 8 is way more interesting than OT Luke.
>>220894449You can do what they did but you have to bring him closure since he dies!!! You have to bring hope to the audience that things can get better even when someone is low down and his entire worldview is tested, he even says maybe Jedi and Sith were a bad idea you have to provide a new path!Luke Is The Last Jedi that is awesomeNow let Rey be Grey and outside the black/white dichotomy! She has all the powers at a lesser lower power level because she isn't willing to go all in. However she can use anything even lightning.Luke both teaches her to find herself and accepts he is the last of a kind and that is OK!Just don't make the character look weak and stupid and *kind of* redeem him and put him to bed. Its lame.
Dave Filoni Heir to the Empire movie will Retcon the Sequels that is the plan
>>220894449Except the 90s had far more compelling video game stories (see Final Fantasy 7) than the trans-caring fascist-destroying stories of the terrible 2020s. I haven't played a single good game over the last decade with a compelling storyline, barring FF7 Remake/Rebirth and I guess 007 First Light. Everything since 2013 has been pure woke garbage, completely unplayable if you're a straight, white man.
>>220900531>NOOOOOOO, YOU CAN’T HAVE A JEDI SAVE THE DAY, THEY WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE GUARDIANS OF PEACE AND JUSTICE!
>>220902062Dark Empire is what the Sequels wish they were. They retreaded old ground but were actually somewhat good, story-telling wise. They brought in new things instead of Death Star, but a planet.There's also a huge difference between Sheev coming back like 3 years post-Endor as a last hurrah, to him apparently plotting it over 30 years and destroying his own Empire for retarded reasons.But a Disney tranny wouldn't know better so why do I bother.
>>220894449>never lost, failed, faltered, or doubtedThis idiot has never seen the original trilogy.
>>220902383Disney should just scrub everything after the phantom menace, it's the only good star wars film anyway, and start from after Anakin fights off the droids in Naboo. They could literally just make episodes 2-9 a dream sequence that Anakin has when he's violently shaken awake by Jar Jar and then they can finally do the right thing and give us Darth Binks.
>>220902108This is always the calling card of TLJ, and sequel defenders. "Well I didn't like the original in the first place." Now the franchise is dead. Guess no one liked your schlock, lmao.
>>220900531>completely trashing a character and his narrative is "something interesting"(you)
>>220902432It’s also important to note that dark empire predated the prequels. At the time there was nothing inherently contradictory about the emperor being a dark revenant, since we’d never seen anything but his appearance in RotJ.
>>220902679There's also the matter of, even if DE brought the New Republic back to Rebellion-levels, it still called itself the New Republic and it was engaged in multiple peer conflicts on several planets with the resurgent Empire.
>>220902634Sorry you are low IQ.>>220902627I love the originals and TLJ is a masterpiece.
>>220894449Luke was the only good part of Last Jedi. Rest of that movie was a mess
>>220894449Idk how you could defend the sequels except if you’re like 85 IQ and just think it’s better because there were more brown people and women storm troopers than the original
>>220902831>TLJ is a masterpieceArticulate why. Hard mode: wax poetic about any part other than Luke.
>>220902859The movie pisses you off and you have shit taste.
>>220902886You know what? Thank you. You are actually honest. People only like The Last Jedi because somehow it "owned the chuds."
>>220902886This is my reason why I'm gonna vote for Trump again in 2028, and we'll win again, lmfao. Your retarded, tranny-contrarian opinion will never, ever, be mainstream. People are going to prefer legit fascism over your bullshit.
>>220902903No, that's the cherry on top. The Last Jedi objectively has the strongest acting.
>>220894490Would have singlehandedly salvaged the entirety of the Endor subplot.
>>220902908>I'm going to vote for an israel first traitor againYeah you are braindead
>>220902916Who cares about the acting if what they're acting about is retarded?
>>220902932It isn't? You're retarded.
>>220902950Can you articulate why Holdo's plan made sense? Did you particularly enjoy Laura Dern's acting? In what way? What was the most striking acting performance in the casino subplot? What was Boyega's stand-out moment there?
>>220902973I can articulate that it was an unexpected and gorgeously shot scene.
>>220902982Is cinematography acting? And which scene? Because I mentioned I didn't mention any particular scene. I alluded to two multi-scene subplots.
>>220902926I'm going to support him literally nuking Iran if it means wokies are pissed lmao
>>220902991Is filmmaking, filmmaking? The editing, scoring, themes, cinematography and performances are all great.
this is so dumbyou can make a flawed Luke skywalker just don't cuck your audiences by making literally NOTHING pay off after building up emotional cache over the years>oh he's just some sad guy who moves it along for our new disney brands
>>220902999Hell yeah he should nuke the Constitution
>>220903010I asked you about acting. You moved the goal post to other thing. You only like the Luke stuff in the movie, because something it it resonated with you. You can just say that.
>>220903017I absolutely hate democracy and the concept of it, including the US Constitution, so I agree with this. The second amendment is the only part of it that's good.
>>220903023Everything with Luke, Kylo and Rey is very good imo. I liked Poe also.
>>220903037Yeah who needs freedom of speech or anything we should all bow to Trump and Israel until we die
>>220903023You’re likely talking to a bot, anon.That explains why someone would make the bizarre deflections without even attempting to connect them to the point raised.
>>220903053Free speech? Your lot disdains free speech. I'm going to use my free speech right now. Nigger. Problem?
>>220894697This. Gas them all.
>>220903084Trump notoriously loves free speech as much as Anakin loves sand
>>220903119But those were simple movies?
lmao this is exactly why Star Wars is dead. Look at this conversation turn. Your opinion on TLJ somehow became a dividing line in politics. Disney is so FUCKING retarded for not quashing that.
>>220900531>>220902108>interestingWhy is it that every time you miserable losers have to come up with something "interesting" it just ends up being making aspirational characters as pathetic as you are? There's literally nothing interesting about turning a good character into a loser, stop treating billion dollar franchises as your personal therapy sessions and go outside instead.
>>220903153Luke Skywalker is cool as fuck in The Last Jedi. Not even baiting.
>>220894449Even if that was exactly what fans wanted, which it isn’t I should clarify before someone thinks I am, but if it was. Who are these gay ass journalists to tell fans what they actually want? They got their way with cucked old loser Luke, it killed the franchise
>>220903017Don't even pretend you give a shit about the Constitution, your ilk never talk about it in a positive context unless it's an attack vector to prevent normal people from fighting back against your cult ideology. The moment you get a modicum of power again you'll go straight back to wiping your asses with it.
>>2209031600/10 apply yourself.
>>220903053Guaranteed this tourist was making fun of the idea of "muh free speech" whenever someone on the right was censored.
>>220903166A lot of people think it is very obvious Republicans only pretended to care about Constituonal law.
>>220903160That’s like saying no homo after taking it up the ass
>>220896106Then He comes back 3 days later to Reign over Paradise while Humans are still fucking Dogs and eating Cats down here on shit Earth.
>>220903240What is wrong with eating cats?In Switzerland people are doing that for Christmas.
>>220903121He allows me to say nigger, that's all I care about. What you don't see is 10 years of you destroying free speech, enforcing black supremacy, means I'm going to accept whatever Trump does, so long as he also gives me what I want.Fuck around, find out.
>>220903607Sounds like satire of someone with mental illness.
>>220894449Why does this sound like it was written by a woman?Anyway, we've had the struggling Luke Skywalker, the whole OT was about that, now we wanted to see the ultimate Luke at the pinnacle of his power, not some limp-wristed humiliated little bitch.
>>220903719>we had struggling LukeLol
>>220894490Nah, there is always Dark Forces 3: Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast with cool Luke and its addon Jedi Academy. Luke is cool there.
>>220903734For me it was when Desann managed to ambush and sucker punch Luke, and he still ended up having to drop a ceiling on him and run away. Then we find out why as Luke casually jumps out of the wreckage
>>220894449Is the left column really so much to ask for?
>>220903791Left is for people who are more suited to video games
>>220903870Ironically enough, EA's Luke Skywalker is far, far better than Disney's Luke.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tseqjjk9YgM
>>220903932This isn't better than anything, it's cringe.
>>220903932>made a Luke that sounds like Luke>told disney to fuck off when they tried to hijack fallen order>explicitly retconned an author that tried to cuck the protagonist with her own self insert Fucking EA of all people doing this still boggles my mind
>>220903966>made a carbon copy of ROTJ Luke for a video gameOkay? So what.
>>220903971Yeah, easy isn’t it?Crazy disney couldn’t manage it until someone went behind management’s back for a brief action sequence.
>>220904002Easy to make video game slop? Yes.
>>220894449>This nigger never watched the OT.The reason Luke is so popular is exactly because he lost, failed, faltered, and doubted throughout the OT but overcame his shortcomings to do the right thing for his friends and the galaxy. The audience watched him grow from being a brash, emotional young man into a more refined, skilled, and mature warrior.
>>220904068He's basically everything people accuse Mary Sues of being. And that's why so many people want him to be a robot.
>>220904063Thanks for the input, bot.
>>220904089Luke wasn't a "mary sue". He fucked up all kinds of shit, had to earn his respect, and had his hand lopped off because he wasn't good enough. Complete opposite of a "mary sue".
>>220904123The original claim was that you wanted a shallow video game character and cutscene and you just confirmed that is your ideal version.>>220904150If you don't want Luke Skywalker post original trilogy to falter but to be an untouchable flawless warrior, because that's what he is now, you want a Mary Sue.
>>220894813>original made by a great visionarykek
rejecting the simplicity of good vs evil is the modern sin. introspection being the defining theme is for morons
>>220904181every single star wars movie is ultimately about the simplicity of good vs evil
>>220904164Thanks for telling everyone what they actually said, mr bot.I’m sure they just mistyped it all.
Kinda insane how Disney killed Star wars within a decade
>>220894449I can smell Chat GPT from this post
>>220904164Mary Sues are obnoxious, Gary Stus are generally fine, because they present some interesting story even if they rarely falter. A lot of anime protags are Gary Stus, yet they're entertaining. I haven't seen a single Mary Sue who is entertaining, and not a wooden plank of a character.
>>220894449was this written by a woman
>>220894449Didn't he lose to Vader and get his hand cut off? Didn't he get fucked up by that space Yeti and almost died if it wasn't for Han?
>>220894449Im fine with the idea of downtrodden hermit Luke but they just need to give him a damn good reason to be a hermit.They came close with Ben going school shooter on him but that wasn't enough (It wasn't enough for Obiwan, Obiwan/Yoda had to go into hiding because the Jedi were systematically being wiped out). Hell that's pretty much a good reason to make the nu-Trilogy about Luke, if he feels responsible for Ben's chimp out, it's only fair that he eventually reluctantly comes to the conclusion that he be the one that puts him down like a dog. But he'd need help and maybe that's where Rey would fit.Then we would have gotten Luke for 2 movies and Rey given an opportunity to actually earn her place.
They could have done everything they did with Luke and then NOT had him show up at the end of TLJ and have him exit the movie and leave him alive. Make the main characters resolve the issue. Rian Johnson tried so hard to make audiences think Luke was a powerless given up hermit to try and get the big WOW factor for when Luke shows up at the end. He wasted all this time on that instead of doing anything with Rey, Finn or Poe together. These 3 characters never share the screen in TLJ.
>>220904549Luke showing up at the end was awesome and solidified the movie as great.
>>220894697also>lostHis aunt and uncle who raised him, looking at their burning corpses>FailedGot bitch slapped by the wampa so bad, Han had to rescue him by cutting open a tauntaun and sticking him inside its guts>FalteredCould not believe in the force enough to raise his ship out of the swamp, Yoda had to show him it was possible>DoubtedHe never thought Han would return to help him finish off the Death Star, but he did.These people will say anything as long as it fits their view, disregarding truth and hoping no one remembers. Utterly vile people.
>>220904623the original star wars movies is a typical heroes journey, the prequels and sequels cut deeper
>>220904691>sequels cut deeperWhat is Rey's arc?
>>220902461disney should give star wars back to george for free because they absolutely cant write their way out of this
>>220897543its about people saying rian johnson wouldn't do that level of subversion, not 'luke wouldn't hit that'
>>220904785Standing up for the universe and killing her only living family member who was thee Sith Lord and dying in the process. And choosing her own name no matter what her birthname is.
>>220904241Given the thread has someone making inane replies to any refutation or people shitting on the ST, none of which address the actual point of them, it’s very likely that it’s genuine bot posting in action
>>220904492Yes. Meanwhile Rey is an expert sailor and swimmer after living on a desert planet.
>>220905200she should have announced herself as Alan Sithee
>>220894697Luke lost to a snow beast. Luke lost to Darth Vader. Luke was tempted by the Dark Side. Luke didn’t listen to Yoda, went to save his friends, lost his hand and Leia saved him. The Emperor almost made Luke kill his father and become a Sith apprentice. >The wokes: Luke is a Mary Sue just like Rey.
>>220894449Skywalker should have followed the same arc as Kenobi and Qui-Gon.He should have been a lead character in the first film and died at the end.Not two weird anti-climatic medium-hating cameos.
>>220894449>desired for bySAAAAAAAR!!!
>>220894813>a great visionaryA genius too.
>>220894449Perfectly reasonable take. >the Sequel Trilogy defenders turn increasingly deranged.The only thing that sounds deranged here is your hugbox hyperbole OP.
>>220905273No he shouldn’t, because the post OT is different to the start of the OT and prequels. The PT is supposed to be where everything comes crashing down, and the OT is where the darkness before dawn is blackest. The mentor characters dying to enable the tragedy or the victory is fitting for those cases.Luke won. He should have been allowed the fruits of his victory and take a role befitting it.
>>220894449We watched him overcome in the OT... did this guy not watch the originals?
>>220905482Almost every "fan" of TLJ is someone who watched the OT once or twice as a kid on television, and thought it was "okay." Barely remembering it. They defend TLJ to the death because Disney's marketing department somehow made not-liking it mean you support Donald Trump. I really, really, really hope they are happy with that decision.
>>220905539I rewatched the OT all the time as a kid and loved it and I loved TLJ.
>>220905706>and I loved TLJWhy?
>>220905482TLJ “fans” are creatures of bitterness as spite. Anything they profess to enjoy is nothing but a front in their attempt to make someone else’s enjoyment in something just that little bit worse. Nothing they say should ever be taken seriously, especially any claim that they actually enjoy something.
>>220905713Because it was high grade cinema. Why do you pretend to care when we all know you hate it and will shit talk anything I say?
>>220905761>Because it was high grade cinema.In what way?
>>220905771In every single way. I'm sorry you are so dull you can't comprehend this.
>>220905287Except he excused the prequels criticism saying they were kids movies. You don’t put a trade blockade in a kid’s movie.The other flaw is they can use the entire galaxy. There’s no way any org can blockade the entire galaxy
>>220905778Goddamnit Patrick, get off /tv/. And stop turning melanated gentlemen into pepperoni.
>>220905808Yeah I don't give a shit what you think kek
>>220905823Wrong again, stalkerEnjoy prison.
>>220904549I heard Mark Hamill didn't expect Luke to die and only found out during the premiere
>>220906197I don't know if he ever said as much but people posted a lot of pics of him looking stunned and shocked after the premiere. If nothing else is a funny thought
>>220906247Mark Hamill is a piece of shit anyway so he deserves it.
>>220894449Have these faggots ever seen the original trilogy? Legit asking
>>220906197He knew and told Rian Johnson as much about Jake Skywalker.
>>220894449what the fuck is he talking about, he fails right at the fucking start, his step-family gets fucking immolated
>>220906396>actor disagrees with me politically>"REE IM SO FUCKING TRIGGERED"
>>220903791The extended universe is not part of George Lucas canon.
>>220906834>>actor disagrees with me politically>>"REE IM SO FUCKING TRIGGERED"I don't understand weirdos who lost their shit about Sweeney or Caviezel and Sound of freedom. They're weird.
>>220894449Why do chuds try to spin this as the sequels' fault when it's clearly just nobody liking filonislop?
>>220907172>Why do chuds try to spin this as the sequels' fault when it's clearly just nobody liking boomerslopftfy
I never had an issue with killing Luke. I had the issue with him attempting to kill Han's son in his sleep. That shit right there is a bridge too far, and they have never explained that in such a way that it made even a little bit of sense. Even if he sensed darkness like Darth Vader in him, we all saw how he reacted to that. He threw his weapon away. Did we watch the same movies? If Luke changed over the years and I'm 100% open to that shit, we really should have had some kind of hint of that beforehand or an explanation after. We never got either to our satisfaction. It was just badly done.
>>220903791Left does kind of seem like a retarded childs version of Luke, not going to lie even as a TLJ hater. I guess what I needed was a richer more redemptive Luke, he trained Rey and she turned out really well and that didn't quite hit for me.What I do like from the Left Side is that Light Side has always been portrayed as so weak and it gets stupid after while. Light Side should unlock powers a Sith cannot even hope to achieve like healing. I don't like Witches of Dathromir creating life with magic from The Acolyte. It should be following common RPG mechanics.
I don't get why they hyped up bringing the OT cast back just to show them as fucking miserable losers who all get killed off. Even aside from that, they waited way too long to make a sequel with those characters, should have been done at least 20 years earlier or not at all, as evidenced by Carrie literally dying irl right in the middle of filming.
>>220894820what
>>220894449
>dude, you need to do this exact kind of franchise relaunch>dude, you have to let it sit for five years>dude, people just don't care about Star Wars anymore. it's 50 years old!You people will say anything other than "make a good movie".Literally just make a good movie (and put attractive white people in it, and no feminism). The word of mouth will build and people will show up. This is not the impossible ordeal you're making it out to be.I mean S1 Mandalorian and Andor already did well enough, and they weren't even that good. Imagine if they actually tried. Imagine if they like hired real writers, and real directors, instead of nepotards. Imagine if they didn't use the thing as a backdoor pilot for the Glup Shitto show.
>>220905794They blockade Naboo to show the Republic that their laws don't mean shit. Palpatine's manipulating them so that he can use the debacle on Naboo to push for the supreme chancellor to be replaced.That's all it is. It's not hard to work out.
>>220908788Rogue One is good, it has the best space and ground battles, Jyn is not a Mary Sue and it treats male characters with respect.
>>220908968Rogue One is not good. It's visual porn with no characters in it.
>>220900531Yes, yes, we HAD to take the heroic white man and make him a fucking loser. We’ve all heard it before Mr. Shekelgruber.
>>220904164Nobody wants Luke to be an "untouchable flawless warrior", that's just cope from TLJ defenders.Ironic since Rey is the very definition of an untouchable flawless warrior, she never loses or suffers in any way and even when she "fails" she doesn't face any consequences i.e."killing Chewbacca" only to find out that he's perfectly fine in the very next scene.Hell she even mirrors Luke in bailing on training early to go and confront the bad guy without being prepared except she fucking wins.
>>220908968Rogue One's fucking lame, it's all style and zero substance. None of the characters matter or have any depth, they just exist to have a "cool scene" then die.
>>220904063That videogame slop is better than anything made by Disney, cope faggot hahaha
>>220904164Fans don’t want Luke to retreat a character arc that was already completed. When will you subversive fucks give it up? Nobody wants to watch a hero become a fucking loser. Kill yourself.
>>220905200That’s not an arc, those are things the character did. For the record, killing space Hitler who you’ve never met a single moment before the final battle, and choosing to take the name of a dead guy you met for two days before he died, are not heroic whatsoever.
>>220894449Here's the truth:Luke waa always the least interesting character in Star Wars.TLJ sucks but people who hate TLJ and defend TFA are idiots who deserve the slop they're fed.
>>220905287George knew we would one day hear shit about tariffs nonstop. What a visionary kek
>>220905269>Luke was tempted by the Dark Side.When did this happen?
>>220905761Because it was not high-grade cinema, so you must have some kind of reason for liking that dog turd.
>>220894697This. These soÿniggers have never even seen the OT, they only seem to know darf vadurr from consuming product
>>220906834>actor is a piece of shitFtfy, kys
>>220908637It is literally just part of a campaign to deconstruct everything whites value. That is the genuine objective, it’s why they keep doing it even though it has become wildly unprofitable.
>>220909233>Killing the Vader illusion on Dagobah>Almost killing Vader when he cuts his hand off in Jedi
What a useless faggot. Besides ignoring the original trilogy where Luke literally lost or failed multiple times, he's showing a picture on the left where Luke literally fails and submits to the Dark Side. Today OP was a faggot liar, and totally retarded.
>>220905287>A trade blockade>In spaceCan't deny it is still a bit silly.
>>220909233>strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete
>>220894449the idea of Luke being this bitter old man disenfranchised by everything is interestingthe idea of colliding a huge ass starship into another even bigger starship is interesting toothey just fucked the execution up every single time, and then somemost of the time, interesting ideas require effort, and more outlandish ideas require considerably more effort, you're not winning big by default on the basis of how interesting the idea is alone they've just been hardcore coping about objectively valid criticism since forever, and there are no signs of them stopping anytime soon so I say let them keep coping and seething while the empire crumbles
>>220909548The opening of the movie shows that they have enough capital ships in orbit to shoot down almost anything that isn't the protagonists that gets launched from planetside.And it's not like the Naboo have a lot of cities or spaceports.
>>220909505I forgot to mention that Luke would've been dead if Han hadn’t saved him on the trench run. Luke isn’t a Mary Sue in New Hope.
>>220909591>Luke talks a big game about being a pretty good pilot himself all movie>almost gets shot down more than once at Yavin, gets saved by both Wedge and Hanmeanwhile>Rey wears a pilot helmet once>can fly the falcon better than han or lando through the inside of a star destroyer wreck while shooting down multiple TIEs and barely breaking a sweat
>>220903932amaze amaze amaze. would kekstart on netflicks.
>>220900531You are being an intentionally disingenuous kike but the post in the OP is claiming that the "Luke Skywalker people who dislike TLJ want is an unfailing perfect hero". The purpose of the post you are being a disingenuous kike nigger about is that the people who love OT Luke love a character that is explicitly NOT an unfailing perfect hero thus making the OP post retarded and wrong.Nothing in the post you disingenuously, kikeishly, nigger-faggot-ly quoted suggests that fans do not want Luke to have flaws or be 'interesting' as your kikeish disingenuous nigger faggot retard self put it. TLJ Luke is a stupid character and that has nothing to do with Luke being a perfect unfailing character as the portrayal of Luke in the OT shows.
>>220909659Apparently the explanation for Rey (not shown in the movie, of course) is that there's a Y-wing tactical computer inside the AT-AT that she sleeps in and she learned how to fly practically every ship in the galaxy thanks to it and I'm just wondering what part of that is supposed to make any sense.
>>220896211There's a ton of them on reddit, but they seem to only like Last Jedi. Nobody defends Rise of Skywalker.
>>220894449He already had his failure, faltering and doubt in the original trilogy, why would it need to be repeated, let him be the wise old master.Also the I have no mouth and I must scream videogame is from the 90s
>>220897573Prequels are mediocre which looks like garbage against the OT being so goodSequels are garbage on their own I haven't seen the sequels or the prequels
>>220909659>>220909711She barely lost a fight the whole trilogy. She’s a better pilot than Han and she defeated Kylo who’s a Sith apprentice in the first movie with zero training.
>>220909811The wokes hate RoS because it made a course-correction from TLJ going full woke retard. They wanted RoS to be another TLJ or the Acolyte.
>>220894449The progressive cope of when no one likes their "art" is just endlessly amusing to me.
it would be cool if Luke had a specific reason for being in hiding, like he discovered something within the force. like an essence of the darkside and he was keeping it hidden away. but he's doing nothing so he just comes across as a moron
>>220909873youre not missing anything
Interestingly BioWare ruined and killed Revan before Disney did the same with Luke. The KotOR fans were as livid as real SW fans were with TLJ.
>>220894697Dead Journo Storage?
>>220911790why is that interesting?
TROS is a hilarious trainwreck to watch. TLJ is legit one of the worst movies ever made.
>>220906834His son impregnated a girlHe pressured the girl into abortion (she didn't)His son was in his 30's btw
