Tatooine represents Jerusalem

>>220898303
the emperor scene in empires strike back was better in the special editions, but beyond some other minors things they were mostly shit

>>220898350
This is the only one that everyone (who wasn’t a spiteful contrarian) would agree on. There are some cgi touchups to SFX shots. You could either prefer the better effects or by a miniatures and practical effects purist. They’re both valid defensible positions. As is which voice you prefer for Boba Fett.

Apart from that it’s sloppa all the fucking way down:
>Macklunkey
>NOOOOO (happens twice)
>Jedi Rocks
>Unnecessary Jabba scene, repeating the dialogue from the Greedo cantina scene (which just happened) almost word for word
>de-aged outtake Anakin
I probably missed something else awful but I don’t want to think about the Special Ed(itions) too long.

>>220898303
Giant DEWBACK lizards

>>220898457
The yoda diaper change scene with the slide whistle was just gratuitous

>>220898303
He was finally able to make the phantom menace

>>220898303
They were all shit. Don't watch the special editions.

The CGI stuff just looks so out of place in a movie from 1977

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Special Edition changes ranked

>Worthwhile addition
Victory Celebration (1997) (no Hayden Ghost)

>Pointless but doesn't hurt Addition
Windows in Cloud City
Added Wampa Scenes
The Milenium Flacon Taking off in ANH
Jabba talking with Solo on Tatoonie
Added Sarlacc Mouth and Tentacles
Removing Vader's Eyebrows

>Erases History even if it's a good addition
The entire new X-wing fight in ANH
New Aliens in the Cantina
Updating the Emperor's Hologram in ESB

>Distracting Addition
New mos eisley opening
The stupid Dugs added everywhere in the bluray
The CGI Dewbacks
Added Storm Troopers on the Death Star

>Dumb Addition
Making the Ewoks Blink
Jedi Rocks
Every God damn change of Obi-wan's shout

>Actively Harms the movie Addition
Hayden Ghost
Making Boba and the Storm Troopers sound like Jango Fett
Greedo shooting at all
Darth Vader Shouting NO! In ROTJ

>>220898350
The dialogue was made worse for no reason.

>>220898303
No

>>220898457
>Bringing back the cut jabbi/han scene with roger rabbit cgi jabba

how did they film the java the hut scene in a new hope with younger harrison ford?

>>220898717
When the Falcon flies into the debris of Alderaan they also added some weird super loud sound effects that always bothered me

>>220898837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SYI7hKWbhQ
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>>220898837
Jaba is just a guy. That's why they had to rotoscope Han walking over Jaba's tail because Han walks around him

It was an interesting experiment in "adding" to a movie before re-release so people see it "improved", but it went exactly as predicted. Autists started screaming that each change is intolerable, they had a whole list of ideas about what to change and internet magnified their voices.
By the time the prequels rolled out Lucas already had a target on his back which only grew larger as the now already disgruntled subset of fans started making further lists on how they would "improve" the prequels. Every single shot, transition, background character and detail now became something to be contested and argued about.

Basically Lucas should have never made any enhanced editions and never opened the door to shot-by-shot scrutiny. Once that happened it was all over for him in the long run.

>>220898946
does not help that spielberg and lucas attempted to scrub all evidence of unedited versions from history

>>220898303
Victory Celebration and the Cloud City windows is a 100% improvement as far as I'm concerned.

>>220898303
The prequel humor looks so out of place in the original movies. I respect George for having six massive movies made in his vision, but he's also a quadruple fucking retard for many other reasons

>>220898717
>Victory celebration doesn’t erase history
How can you be this dull?

>>220898829
Oh yeah I thought I referred to that by saying I hate how it repeats dialog. I think by the third or fourth iteration, the CGI finally looks ok, but you can’t get around the fact the Greedo scene was written to replace it and having both is superfluous.

Oh, having cgi Boba Fett look directly at the camera? That REALLY rustles my jimmies.

>>220899013
Yub nub sucks and is not worth preservation.

>>220899049
Wait, also, doesn’t Han actually step on Jabbas tail and the fat slug just takes it? Yeah, fuck that.

It has been years since I watched anything but my laserdisc ripped dvds or the 4k projects once I had them. Definitely over a decade, but also definitely not two decades. I truly struggle to remember most of the changes that aren’t the most glaringly retarded examples.

>>220899064
Yub nub absolutely does suck, but you don’t get to decide what does and doesn’t deserve preservation.

>>220898303
Back in the 90s I remember loving what he was doing. I didnt like the Han shooting changes but it wasn't a dealbreaker. I loved how he was expanding the universe and the changed in Empire cloud city were cool. But then he changed the ending of return of the jedi and that really REALLY pissed me off. As a kid Vader being silent leading up to his decision to save Luke was always my favorite part of the trilogy.

>>220898717
>Darth Vader Shouting NO! In ROTJ
thanks for reminding me of this asshole. i literally seethed for 10 minutes straight when a friend showed me this. WHAT THE FUCK were they thinking? it had to be them trolling

>>220899185
>WHAT THE FUCK were they thinking?
I promise you one of Georges kids was like daddy why did he do that? So George made it clear.

You dont hate his kids enough

RotJ might have it the worst with that fucking dance number with the CG aliens at Jabba's palace

>>220898968
>does not help that spielberg and lucas attempted to scrub all evidence of unedited versions from history
This. When you release a New Coke, you're supposed to bring back the Classic a year later with much artificial fanfare (and much profit). Heck, even keep selling both versions if you want--the autists would probably buy both, even if they claim to hate the Special Edition, just to be "completionists". But no....

I don't know if Disney can legally do this, but if they were serious about undoing all the damage from the last decade, all they'd need to do is a proper 4K physical release of the theatrical Original Trilogy with 0 bullshit. They could even do a concurrent theatrical re-release, IMAX upscale, the works, and set some new box office records for old media. Jewcas probably has contracts in place to prevent that now, but he won't be around for ever.

The Jabba scene is great because it gives us the best Han line ever, which is the best because it's just a giant accident. "Jabba, you're a wonderful human being." went from a bit of lame dry Lucas dialogue to witty gold with the slug Hutt design cgied in. And that's fucking great.

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"Maclunky" is the most coherent** edit of the cantina shooting
**for first time viewers

George Lucas made the special editions solely to spite his ex-wife.

>>220898457
>Unnecessary Jabba scene,
It was mildly interesting because they were trying to repurpose and bring back a cut scene they always wanted to include but weren't happy with the execution.
If the special editions existed along side the theatrical/THX remaster it would have been fine, but it doesn't really belong in the definitive edition.

>>220899290
The doco said he needed money for the prequels

>>220898350
And now the emperor scene is further ruined by the jewish mouse. I found out after doing a 1m trial streaming sub to watch Andor.
They added the obnoxious vader "NOOOOO" when he's throwing palpatine into the pit. What a fucking disgusting addition.

>>220899290
Most of her additions to the first movie didn’t make it in in the first place. How much did they mess with the trench run in the end?

>>220898717
>Storm Troopers sound like Jango Fett
that's not a thing, is it? Stormtroopers aren't clones and were never intended to be clones as far as I'm aware

>>220899321
The whole stated objective he had for doing the THX remaster was that the original master for ANH was falling apart and he wanted to "preserve" the film. He did a little bit of cleanup on the special effects (thinning the optical effect for the light sabers and blasters so they weren't so chunky and burnt-in looking).
But after the special edition he said something about how the remaster was destroyed because he used them to make the special editions. Which isn't how that works at all.

>>220899312
more and more i appreciate editors for how hard their job is. there's rarely a deleted scene i've seen and thought "why did they cut this?" it's why i don't like extended editions of the lord of the rings. everything cut was cut for good reason.

>>220899393
having both is fine as long as theres a director involved to get a unified vision

>>220898717
>Adding Palpatine is a good change
>Adding Hayden is bad
These are literally the same thing

>>220899220
You have convinced me. I want to have a lightsaber duel with Jett Lucas. Sure he had the moves in 2003, but has he kept up his training? We can use a pair of steel bars, cut to the right lengths. Show me your moves Jett. Are you ready for my (baseball bat) style?

>>220899275
Quite literally you would need freedom of speech to defend yourself for such a hateful utterance. The original is 100% coherent. Han gut shots Greedo under the table to avoid being killed himself.

>>220899393
>everything cut was cut for good reason.
Almost. If you just watch the theatrical edition the major antagonist of the second movie just kind of vanishes.
I'll give the lotr movies a pass though just because its such a comfy movie and world that I don't mind any excuse to linger in it.
To be fair its been so long since I've watched the theatrical edits I don't remember all the stuff that is omitted.

>>220899459
Jett got blasted so fast, he didn't stand a chance against CGI clone troopers

Yes, there are several good changes.
>Scene with Biggs before the Death Star battle in A New Hope
>More scenes with Wampa in ESB
>Added visuals in Cloud City
>New shots of the dancer who gets killed by Rancour beast
>Superior ending in ROTJ

This is where Luke wanted to go to pick up his power converters

https://youtu.be/BBp6PEHV_MU?si=AjQx9y5LCrvDJAEE

>>220898717
I would say Jabba talking iwth Solo is a dumb change at best, he is a fat slug that can't even be bothered to move on his own just to watch hit pet rancor eat somebody, I doubt he is the type of crime boss to personally visit some random smuggler and even let him haggle, especially when Han stepped on his tail

>>220899485
The LoTR changes are a more complex issue, because you have hauntingly brilliant editions like the passing of the elves, with the single best piece of soundtrack written for the entire trilogy, and Sam commenting that he doesn’t know why, but it makes him sad.

Then you have absolute shite, like Gimli’s axe being stuck in an Uruk’s nervous system.

Mostly it’s stuff like Gandalf and the Witch King having their confrontation, which uses lines from the book and seems good until it goes off the rails with the witch king breaking Gandalf’s staff.

The mouth of Sauron scene is this too. It’s almost pitch perfect, until Aragorn does his little warcrime.

The best example of this going well is Saruman’s new death scene. Wrong time and place, but done well, and closes off any new ends.

There’s a perfect edit in there somewhere, but it’s way more complex than Star Wars. The best Star Wars OT viewing experience is literally just watching the theatrical versions, and it’s not even close.

Overall, the extended editions get away with their retardery amongst fans because it’s just more of what Jackson already did. Don’t pretend the theatricals were devoid of stupid comic relief nonsense. With the Star Wars special editions George just made mistake after fucking mistake while editing them.

>>220898790
>The dialogue was made worse for no reason.
How so? It's not the same dialogue? What's different?

>>220899644
i could see him going if he was prepared to kidnap him, he likes the personal touch when taunting them.

>>220899328
>They added the obnoxious vader "NOOOOO" when he's throwing palpatine into the pit.
Lucas did that

>>220899454
i'm honestly surprised how few directors cut their own shit. even many supposed auteurs don't. it's perplexing. i guess for many it's just a job at the end of the day.

>>220899328
>They added the obnoxious vader "NOOOOO" when he's throwing palpatine into the pit. What a fucking disgusting addition.
That's old news dawg. At least a decade old.

>>220899704
George was almost always independent, especially with Star Wars. So he kind of just did whatever the fuck he wanted to with it

>>220899681
I really doubt he intended to kidnap considering he already sent somebody like Gredo who made it pretty clear Jabba wanted him dead, that and going back to the tail step thing do you really think any crime boss would tolerate something like that, especially somebody like jabba

I miss just my plain, normal Star Wars 1977 VHS. No special edition shit. I watched it so much Alec Guiness would be annoyed

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>>220898350
>>220898457
>>220898717
>Updating the Emperor's Hologram in ESB
Dude died just last year.

>>220899704
well theres a lot of styles that can still work, depending on storyboards and note taking and whatever talks they have with the editors to convey their intent that can be just as good but the hands off studio cuts are always garbage assuming the director wasnt a hack.

>>220899821
I thought it was the makeup artist's wife and he was just practicing on her and George liked it and had it dubbed over

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>>220899459
>You have convinced me. I want to have a lightsaber duel with Jett Lucas. Sure he had the moves in 2003, but has he kept up his training? We can use a pair of steel bars, cut to the right lengths. Show me your moves Jett. Are you ready for my (baseball bat) style?
He looks like a jerk, but he's got a Miraculous Medal on. I hope it's because he's a believer and not because he thought it would be a cute fashion statement.

>>220899821
He was just the voice

>>220898303
I liked the x-wing/tie fighter dogfight at the end. I don't even remember any other additions.

>>220899312
>It was mildly interesting because they were trying to repurpose and bring back a cut scene they always wanted to include but weren't happy with the execution.
A New Hope and Return of the Jedi have some deleted scenes I've seen on youtube, but never in the film, because George decided they weren't necessary. Scenes like this should only be in the film if they're in an extended cut with all the deleted scenes shoved in.

>>220899457
They should have added Jake Lloyd instead.

>>220899457
Adding Hayden would actually be kino, if you added an old Hayden to the scene where he's laying on the ground with his hat off infront of Luke.

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Sovl

>>220899644
Not to mention that the conversation Jabba has with Han is 95% identical to the one he just had with Greedo

>>220899457
Ian McDiarmid is the same actor for Palpatine in every movie apart from empire. Anakin isn't these are not similar grievances.

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>>220898855
>Bible verse at the end

>>220899541
>Scene with Biggs before the Death Star battle in A New Hope
Fun fact, that scene along with luke meeting bigger biggs in mos eisley was actually included in the original theatrical release of ANH.
ANH actually got tinkered with a lot after release that no one would remember if they weren't in the theater in the 70's to see its original run.
Even the "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" at the top of the crawl wasn't added until after empire was produced.

>>220899230
>Jewcas probably has contracts in place to prevent that now, but he won't be around for ever.
Don't talk nasty

I think slightly fatter Luke was a good addition.

>>220900151
People miss that Luke really wanted to join the Empire but when he heard that Biggs joined the rebellion he changed his mind, especially after the Empire killed his aunt and uncle. I think they should have been left in

>>220899651
>The LoTR changes are a more complex issue, because you have hauntingly brilliant editions like the passing of the elves, with the single best piece of soundtrack written for the entire trilogy, and Sam commenting that he doesn’t know why, but it makes him sad.
>
>Then you have absolute shite, like Gimli’s axe being stuck in an Uruk’s nervous system.
>
>Mostly it’s stuff like Gandalf and the Witch King having their confrontation, which uses lines from the book and seems good until it goes off the rails with the witch king breaking Gandalf’s staff.
>
>The mouth of Sauron scene is this too. It’s almost pitch perfect, until Aragorn does his little warcrime.
>
>The best example of this going well is Saruman’s new death scene. Wrong time and place, but done well, and closes off any new ends.
>
>There’s a perfect edit in there somewhere, but it’s way more complex than Star Wars. The best Star Wars OT viewing experience is literally just watching the theatrical versions, and it’s not even close.
>
>Overall, the extended editions get away with their retardery amongst fans because it’s just more of what Jackson already did. Don’t pretend the theatricals were devoid of stupid comic relief nonsense. With the Star Wars special editions George just made mistake after fucking mistake while editing them.
interesting

>>220900198
>People miss that Luke really wanted to join the Empire but when he heard that Biggs joined the rebellion he changed his mind, especially after the Empire killed his aunt and uncle. I think they should have been left in

Luke's conversation with Obi-Wan
>Don't get me wrong. I don't like the Empire, I hate them, but...

>>220900198
He has the line over dinner with his aunt and uncle, but I never took it to be like he actually gave a shit about the empire, but it was his ticket off the farm.
It could have just as easily been a butt-fuck circus rolling through town and it would have been better than phoenix.

>>220900270
>but it's probably a good job that can get me off this rock

>>220898717
https://youtu.be/OEch4j4KyoU?si=qTEY3yf-8kzdNzc9&t=155
Don't forget the stupid CGI rocks

>>220900332
This is why we hated George, but I hate Disney more

>>220900332
I had forgotten about this ages ago.

>>220900332
the only good changes he made were to THX-1138

The film of the original print of the movie was deteriorating, so preservation and a recolouring and cleaning up of the print was needed.

>>220899946
Georg Lukacs is a staunch catholic

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>>220900462
>Georg Lukacs is a staunch catholic
I thought he was a Buddhist.

>>220900486
Everyone was into hippie india shit back then

>>220900486
Harrison Ford is a Buddhist.

>>220900332
MOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>220900462
Why do you people just make stuff up?

>>220899130
Well Lucas did decide and he also decided Yub Nub sucked.

>>220899130
>Yub nub absolutely does suck
Fuck you
>>220900623
>Yub Nub sucked.
Fuck you
Yub Nub ROCKS. I still have it on 45, along with Lapti Nek. Lapti Nek was SO much better than Jedi Rocks, which is SO bad I have to skip that entire scene

>>220898837
that's a harrison ford look alike

>>220900668
agree yub nub rocks, no opinions on max rebo stuff

>>220899578
This is a pretty good scene. It's only problem is it's a little long.

>>220900737
>identical han theory

>>220898855
George must be seething that AI gives fans the power to remove his improvements

>>220900974
it really does not

I had the DVDs with the little slipcover that held all 3 cases. prob around 2004-05ish? I ended up watching the OG trilogy more than the prequels cause of those DVDs. thought endor and hoth were so much cooler than geonosis, naboo, and mustafar.

i have the vhs golden cover whatever of the original special edition. I thought it was pretty good at the time, you could easily tell what was added because it was obvious cgi i don't feel it really detracted but added to the films.
That being said i later found out Lucas has this irritating habit of constantly creating new versions and making it harder and harder to watch the previous version or originals. For example its almost impossible to watch the very og star wars as it was shown in the cinema.
Also he has this attitude to everything Star Wars to this day and hes responsible for greenlighting and vetoing any decision by Disney.

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>>220898717
It's been 20+ years since Revenge of the Sith(which is about the same time from RotS to RotJ) and Hayden still looks about the same as he did back then. So I can believe Anakin's force ghost looking as young as he did.

>>220898790
It also creates a plot hole because it states in the opening crawl that Vader already knows luke exists.

>>220899352
Some of the most elite Stormtroopers were still just aging veteran clones.

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>>220900974
AI lets the fans make the movie actually good, we don't need woke directors anymore.

>>220900476
Ever since I was a kid I have been designing my dream home that's like 1/2 hobbit hole, and half tattoine dug-out.

>>220899352
George's original intent was that the stormtroopers would be clones.

>>220899352
yep the clones all died out during the clone wars

>>220898303
All shit, each and every one, soulless CGI garbage infesting the screen with uncanny valley abominations and goofy fuckery.

>>220902149
HIRE FANS

>>220899676
Changing Vader's lines in ESB was a sin worthy of a lynching

>>220900668
Lapti Nek is ungodly levels of soul. As good as both cantina bands 1 and 2. No idea why it’s so underrated in comparison.

>>220904127
In the Emperor scene? Not really.

Removing “Bring my shuttle”? Absolutely. There’s so much venom in that reading. It’s up there with “you are not a jedi yet” for being the most intimidating Vader ever sounded.

>>220898303
They fixed the lightsaber effects in ANH which looked genuinely awful and unfinished.

>>220899644
The idea was that Jabba in ANH was still a functioning mob boss. By ROTJ he's in full blown addiction and hedonism mode. Jabba's Palace is a sci-fi opium den. The cargo Han Solo used to run for him was sci-fi opium. Jabba started using his own products.

>>220904190
True. The two shots that stand out most to me are the shot of Vader with an un rotoscoped, reflective white blade, and one shot of Obi wan’s blade where the rotoscoping was incomplete so you briefly see the prop.

I’d like a version that fixed those kinds of mistakes, but I absolutely will not accepting MACKLUNKEY

>>220904180
>Removing “Bring my shuttle”? Absolutely. There’s so much venom in that reading. It’s up there with “you are not a jedi yet” for being the most intimidating Vader ever sounded.
Exactly what I was alluding to. The loss of that palpable rage as he stomps through Cloud City was a huge disservice. Someone really ought to be flogged for it.

>>220900332
>closer shot of the sandcrawler at 2:20
>added detail over matte painting at 2:55
literally the only good changes, the rest are SHIT, especially the Mos Eisley stuff. I forgot how awful that all was. George is a retarded hack.

>>220898303
They were all great, you just have bad taste, anon

>>220904541
You need to be retarded to think Greedo shooting at all was a good Change.

I actually didn't mind the shot of the banthas wandering about in the desert. Everything else was completely obnoxious.

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>>220898895
wtf were they actually planning on having this dude be Jabba the Hutt? What was the thinking there? That would have actually had a pretty big impact, Jabba became an iconic character.

>>220905712
worse he was an ir*sh

>>220901706
you do know that the ghost in ROTJ is supposed to depict Anakin as he was as a Jedi, right? It has nothing to do with how old he was in ROTJ. He looks young because that's how looked like as a Jedi before he fell

>>220905712
he was just a stand-in for a creature they were going to add later, but they ran out of time for that and cut the scene entirely. It's not really needed anyway.

>>220905658
What do banthas eat? They're big fat things and there's nothing but sand out there.

>>220898303
>adds an alien shitting into the camera in the middle of your scene
Why did he do it?

>>220905851
That ignores the fact that he redeemed himself and turned back to the light as A JEDI at the end of ROTJ. So fuck off with that stupid explanation.

>>220905950
They eat sand

>>220898303
I was watching one of the old star wars movies, and could clearly tell one scene was edited with modern graphics and thrown in there. it looked and felt so out of place compared to everything else

People who like the Special Edition ewok celebration over the original are fucking stupid.
The emperor dying wouldn't have caused an instant galaxy-wide parade.

>>220905851
That's why Anakin looked like a normal human being as a ghost in the original version. Doesn't mean he suddenly needed to look 30 years younger.

>>220898303
Even if there were good changes they still would have been bad changes because you don't fuck with something when it's over and done

>>220898303
They did improve the dogfight over the Death Star I guess.

>>220898303
I'm tired boss

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>>220898717
Dash Rendar falls under the second category

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>>220899230
>I don't know if Disney can legally do this, but if they were serious about undoing all the damage from the last decade, all they'd need to do is a proper 4K physical release of the theatrical Original Trilogy with 0 bullshit.
Aren't they doing just that less than a year from now?

>>220907660
>Aren't they doing just that less than a year from now?
That's a limited theatrical release. They won't do any 4K release, only losers want that anyway

>>220898895
>"Jabba, you are a wonderful human being"
The literal dialogue Han says in this scene completely makes it pointless. Jabba is not human, he is a fucking slug.

>>220907873
>Jabba is not human, he is a fucking slug
wooosh

how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast in the morning?

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>>220907845
But it means the print exists. And it also means anon could pull off the greatest heist in nerd history, by stealing the film to somehow scan and distribute to the fat, sweaty, Dorito-dusted unwashed masses.

>>220908089
4k77, 4k80 and 4k83 already exist

>>220908089
>But it means the print exists
there are plenty of prints out there, those have always existed. what the losers want is a restoration of the original camera negative to their specifications, as if they are owed anything to begin with

>>220898303
women ruined star wars.

>>220899578
God I want a Cammy to bully me

>>220907873
>The literal dialogue Han says in this scene completely makes it pointless.
When he's not an actual human, it adds a layer of smug smartassery to the comment- like he's openly mocking Jabba for not being human

>>220899722
could not be further off mate

>>220898946
the prequels would still be bad movies whether the special editions existed or not.

>>220899220
he disinherited all his kids though.

>>220899230
the entire "new coke" thing was a bit to replace cane sugar with high fructose corn syrup. they released a shitty version on purpose so a less shitty version would be more palatable.

>>220908314
it still ruins the point. In the original shot it would have been placating and building rapport. Now that hes a slug it is open mockery. Why is he openly mocking the crime lord who could have him gutted in town square. In fact, why is he even down there himself? It would be beneath him. Even if we had the furcoat wearing mobster the movie would be worse for having this scene in it.

>>220898717
>Hayden Ghost
i was born in 98 so i only ever saw the special editions of the ot on dvd, and didnt know that the movies were altered, so when i saw hayden's ghost i was genuinely so confused how that was possible he was in the movie. i thought they cast a guy for the prequels toi look just like this young guy in the 70s playing young anikin or something

>>220898303
The Battle of Yavin in ANH is much better. The Death Star explosion looks much better. The lightsabres had their colours tweaked and tidied up. The Wampa ice cave in ESB is much better. The Emperor reshot with Ian Mcdarmid is better. Cloud City looks much better. The Jabbas Palace musical number is much better. The Ending to RotJ is much better.

>>220908477
>Why is he openly mocking the crime lord who could have him gutted in town square.
To show us Han Solo is a pretty cool guy with balls of steel
>In fact, why is he even down there himself? It would be beneath him.
Because it's cooler to show a space crime lord that have Han tell us he owes money to one

>>220902177
No it wasn't.

>>220908314
>he's openly mocking Jabba for not being human
It does not come off that way, your point just sounds like a Lucas yes-man defending his boss with shitty forced defense.

>>220900434
that's literally what all remasters are. only george thought "hey lets stuff in some cgi and added shots and restore redundant scenes and and and"

>>220908665
>only george thought
"since I'm spending money restoring the negatives of my movies, let's make them the way I always wanted since now I have the tools, time and money to do it"

>>220905895
it was more that harryhausen style stop motion wasn't possible for such a shot. an actor walking around a stop motion post-production effect would've been revolutionary, would've put it in the scene, made it "real."

>>220908725
and then he released them for free? fuck off.

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>>220898303
george did end up adding this nice ass shot but something about this characters character desing doesn't make her look like some background character but instead like some one important who will show up again later in the story which would probably confuse some viewers.

wait so in return of the jedi they made jabba a slug and people didn't question it? weren't people like "jabba was a scottish dude in the first movie"

>>220908612
It does, you're just brown and therefore don't undsrstand sarcasm/mockery in the english language

>>220908976
for the nth time, the original "jabba" was a stand-in for a harryhausen stop motion effect, but it wasn't possible to create such a scene. so they reworked the dialogue into the greedo scene.

>>220909023
you are 100% engaged in post-hoc rationalization to justify a bad scene.

>>220909027
ok so the original star wars didn't have jabba. so was han just mentioning this jabba dude and we never saw him?

>>220908929
Every single background and throwaway character in the original films is going to have their own feature film by disney as they mechanically churn through every conceivable piece of star wars content in search of something that sells.

>>220909056
you could always watch the movie.

>>220909046
you are 100% brown and have never spoken sarcastically in the english language

>>220909171
sarcasm is a 90s thing anon.

>>220898717
Victory Celebration is kind of fucking stupid because we have all these planets across the galaxy celebrating the Emperor's death but they only blew up the Death Star like twenty minutes ago, how did anyone find out?
Did Leia post it on fucking Spacebook?

>>220898303
I unironically think the galaxywide celebration at the end of Return Of The Jedi that I think appears in multiple special editions is a genuinely good addition.

>>220898303
https://youtu.be/ikNFfTj-aE4

https://youtu.be/PiDRgDmXGi4

>>220909232
they saw it happen because that's how space works or something.
t. jj abrams

>>220909232
The implication, even in the original cut, is that it's many hours later seeing as Luke somehow prepped a burial for his dad all by himself. In that time imperial remnants retreating from the battle would have surely announced the death of Vader and the emperor and that shit would be instant news across the empire.

>>220909271
Why the fuck did they put Palpatine's death scream here?

>>220909463
Yeah, alright, that's fair enough.
>>220909438
kek

maclunkey's the key to all this

>>220909208
>HE DIDN'T SAY NO CAP HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO TELL HE WAS BEING SARCASTIC AAAAH

they removed the scene where luke grows an elephant trunk

>>220909525
the point is you grew up in an era defined by sarcasm. the 70s and 80s weren't. you're applying your ideas formed during childhood to an era in which they don't fit.

>>220898717
I support George Lucas and his right to do whatever he wants with Star Wars (which is his own creation) and I actually support some of the changes he made to the original trilogy (like the galaxywide celebration at the end of Return Of The Jedi) but I will never agree with replacing Force Ghost Sebastian Shaw with Force Ghost Hayden Christensen even though I know that George Lucas wanted younger generations to see these films starting with The Phantom Menace and ending with Return Of The Jedi. And I say this as a fan of Hayden Christensen.

>>220901706
Based Hayden still looks young.

>>220905851
That's revisionist bullshit. Anakin was redeemed AS AN OLD MAN.

https://youtu.be/NTchb15FsnM

>>220909232
>Did Leia post it on fucking Spacebook?
It's possible to travel faster than the speed of light in the Star Wars galaxy, so news of the Empire's defeat got out fast.

the young anakin force ghost thing also makes zero sense because anakin was canonically never a true jedi. the only time he wasn't a cocky dick was when he was a child.

>>220900422
The Jerk-U-Off 9000 was certainly a choice to add

https://youtu.be/O3u70WELSEg

>>220909655
>That's revisionist bullshit. Anakin was redeemed AS AN OLD MAN.
Yes, a scarred, maimed and damaged old man. That's never what appeared as a spirit at the end of the movie. The spirit has always depicted Anakin as he was as a Jedi. And with the prequels being finished, we do know how he looked like as a Jedi, so the scene was changed accordingly for consistency.

>>220910256
anakin was never a proper jedi

>>220909463
Why would imperials announce the death of the emperor and vader to the galaxy? I’ve always thought the rebellion announced that shit and the empire went into damage control “circle the wagons” mode

>>220899328
actual retard

>>220898717
most of those are the 2004 dvd stuff or 2011 stuff, special edition is just stuff from 1997.

>>220910515
>that's not that special edition, that's the special'er edition

>>220910537
Yeah, I said that, they are the same, like luke, luuke and luuuke or bigger luke.

>>220910563
>they are the same
I'm glad you agree.

>>220908610
>Aren't you a little short to be a storm trooper
I doubt the recruitment standards were that extreme

>>220900486
He described himself as a "Methodist Buddhist". A Methodist is a branch of Christianity. I think that means he accepts the value of spirituality as a general thing rather than necessarily corresponding to 1 religion.

>>220898303
Cleanup of the speeder effects in the original was a net positive. There's one scene where it's seen from a distance in a canyon that was never really completed.

wait...cloud city was lame in the original versions? so everything i like about cloud city and the aesthetic of empire strikes back is from the george lucas edits and battlefront video game?

>>220908439
That's just normal boomer behavior, it's not an excuse

>>220910256
By that logic Obi-wan and Yoda should look as they did in their peaks.

>>220909232
I don't think you have to take it literally that all those cut-away scenes are happening at the same time. Its just shots showing that the empire has been defeated and people are happy and free now.

>>220910256
>luminous beings are we, not this crude matter
>appears as a luminous being, untouched by changes to his crude matter

>>220908725
He did the THX remaster almost a decade before the special editions were released.

>>220912448
>WEESA FREE!

>>220908471
Weird how none of the other soda companies that did the switch needed to create a massive marketing fail that hurt the brand.

>>220905851
dumb reasoning since he died redeemed. also, if you're watching the movies in order of release it's even dumber since you might not even know who he is at first glance, whereas when it was the original actor you literally just saw him unmasked like two scenes ago and now you can see this is how he looks unburned.

>>220912491
that didn't receive as much flak, or any really, because the original film was just george reading the script in all of the new CGI sequences.

>>220912522
why would they? coke took the hit for all of them.

i like when he steps on jabbas tail its really funny

>>220908439
All of his kids are adopted anyway.

>>220898303
One thing I'll never understand is why they'd add in that stupid redundant scene with jabba the hutt in the docking bay and not the cut scene with luke and biggs where they can see the star destroyer's attack on the blockade runner up in the atmosphere

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>>220898717
You forgot to add more Oola ryona to the top of your list

>>220912928
>why didn't they restore a scene that's happening at the same time as a previous scene
continuity would be the "official" excuse. George lucas not wanting to give the biggs actor any money is the actual reason.

>>220913501
What I've learned from this thread is that we need a /tv/ cut of star wars

>>220912928
Wouldn't that mean all 6 movies don't start in an outer space scene? When does that scene fit in?

>>220913176
>Oola Ryona
>Ryona
HOLY SHIT OOLA HAS A LAST NAME? I always figured Jabba never bothered assigning his slaves surnames

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>>220913924
anon...

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>>220898717
>Added Sarlacc Mouth and Tentacles

I remember actually being sat in the movie watching this in 97 or whenever it dropped and thinking like dude wtf is this shit even after the cgi singing at Jabba's. I thought as a young kid the Sarlacc just being a pit was inherently creepy and saving lando and escaping etc. was one of my favorite bits in RotJ, fuck you george lucas.

What's the ultimate version of EP 4-6?
I saw some thread couple years ago about "NewSkim 4K Film High Definition HDMI" or some shit fanmade version soon being released.
Wanted to download it and watch it with my dad this summer.

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>>220916330
I think it use to be rips of this dvd release, dowloaded it off Demonoid over 16 years ago. Maybe theres a better quality version these days idk.

>>220916443
I'm not sure it was just a rip. It was the original version though.

>>220916499
Well I think that was the best quality dvd of 4-6 without cgi shittery that remains in existence.

>>220898303
No, and anyone who says otherwise is a lying faggot

>>220898717
>Jabba scene is okay
Ruins the pacing of the movie and effectively makes Jabba seem like a chump rather than a real threat. His introduction should be in RoTJ

>>220898303
Return of the Jedi fixes every problem that "fans" claimed to have with the original movie, replacing the cheap looking sfx and yub nub with a much better song

>>220898717
>Jabba talking with Solo on Tatoonie
The fuck? It looks awful, that's an immediate dumb addition.

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Are they going to fuck it up?
Will we see the other theatricals released?

>>220898303
Not so much the extra scenes, but the overall cleaning up of colors and lines. The old composite effects are less obvious. They physically cleaned the film when they pulled it out of the vaults.

At the time the CGI was pretty innovative and flashy. Personally, I was just really happy to see Star Wars on the big screen, but I thought all the extra stuff was pretty cool, since I had already seen the earlier VHS releases about a million times.

>>220916330
4k77, 4k80, 4k83

>>220899651
>hauntingly brilliant editions
>editions
nigga c'mon now.

Also I can't remember if it's Two Towers or RotK that has some kinda awkwardly inserted people in Osgiliath and the top of the Black Gate that are clearly people just edited in with a CGI background with goofy shadows.

>>220916821
I thought the story was that george literally fucked it up by going to the actual negatives and by way of slopping them with cgi in tthe 90's he physically ruined them. The old negatives are gone afaik. Prints on film do exist of course in close to pristine quality, and better versions of the unaltered trilogy might see the light of day, but i dont think its possible now to go to the actual negatives and unslop it.

>>220917022
"remastering" always destroys the original negatives. that's why its called "remastering." the new master is the only master. he also destroyed some prints when the negatives were too degraded to be used.

>>220899704
Well most Auteurs still recognize that film is a collaborative process and don't believe in destroying the work of others.

>>220898615
the x wings in space just before the battle of yavin gives a better sense of scale and also a better spacing imho
the falcon's take off scene from mos eisley also gets a pass I guess
the rest is shit