>>220899865
the negative aspects of society won't affect you if you simply choose not to participate

>>220899865
Because the "woke is dead" thing was always a huge overreaction to Trump's War on Autism and the Gulf of America.

>>220899865
Why would it be dead? The exact same people are running hollywood and other institutions.

If woke doesn't go away by like, Tuesday, I'm gonna us both, OP.

It's just a pendulum

People get fed up with woke stuff, go anti-woke
People get fed up with anti-woke stuff, go woke again

It's a never ending cycle

>>220899865
Woke has been redefined as anything less than blind loyalty to MAGA

>>220899865
Chuds are wrong about everything

>>220899865
It's dead in that they know that if they want something to appeal to more than just embittered minorities, sjw types and old white women, then they'll think twice before shoving it in there and hoping to get away with it. It was successfully brought to the attention of the entire world.

>>220900396
The important part is that you're the real victim here

>>220899865
because marginalized people still cry out for justice

>>220899953
>Gulf of America
As dumb as this is, no one can argue that it isn't more accurate. It's both dumb and based, somehow. If Biden's handlers had announced that they were renaming it because it was more "inclusive," they probably would've cheered.

>>220900323
>Woke has been redefined as anything less than blind loyalty to MAGA
No it hasn't, stop lying and go back.

>>220899865
Woke is a zombie.

>>220900420
>The important part is that you're the real victim here
What part of what I wrote somehow managed to lead you to this inane conclusion? Sounds like you're an embittered minority.

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>>220899865
Even the most leftist people can no longer deny whites are rapidly becoming a minority and anti-masculinity is detrimental to a flowing society.

>>220899865
FUCK OFF COLORADO JEWS NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR AWFUL FUCKING CARTOON THAT SHOULD HAVE DIED TWENTY YEARS AGO

>>220899865
>2020
>it’s doesn’t exist you’re a schizo
>2024
>okay it’s exist but uhhh you can’t stop it
>2026
>actually both woke and nonwoke are just as bad and everyone is at fault
Slowly it is dying, with every flop companies and studios lose more and more money. And they are far too deep to course correct. In the end we will live to see major studios fall or be eaten up by companies who do not rely on entertainment as their sole source of revenue.

>>220900449
>marginalized people
Nobody in Western Europe or the US is genuinely "marginalized."

>>220900420
Your issue is you see everything as a matter of victimhood and victimization. No I am not a weak faggot like you that needs to look for a reason to say how much of a helpless pathetic sack of shit I am. No I do not hold shit like mental illness and physical deformity and defect as a badge of honor. You are not special for being a fundamentally broken person.

>>220900701
>Even the most leftist people can no longer deny whites are rapidly becoming a minority and anti-masculinity is detrimental to a flowing society.
Some are even starting to realize that modern "black culture" and cultural Marxism in general is antithetical to, as you say, a flowing society.

>>220900782
>Your issue is you see everything as a matter of victimhood and victimization
You're right which is funny because the person you're responding to probably subscribes to or believes in the shibboleths of critical race theory which (falsely) presupposes that wypipo view victimhood as a zero sum, either/or game, which is what they're doing.

when the most powerful man in the world uses woke as a perjorative, it causes a counterculture response. see: humanity

>>220900701
We acknowledge it but think it's a consequence of capitalism. Rightists want capitalism without it hollowing out their values but that's impossible.

people firstly need to address exactly what "woke" is (it's ethnic minority grievance politics, cross pollinated with feminist grievance politics), and then they need to acknowledge that while the modern iteration of all of this shit is pretty recent and can be blamed on Tumblr, the roots go back decades, if not centuries.
It's no good just saying "TV IS TOO WOKE NOW!" and expecting it to go away. You don't even know what you're talking about. You think things were fine in 2010, because there was Meagan Fox in the movies.

>>220901073
imagine using megan fox as the fulcrum of human decency

>>220901073
Somehow I expect you would call any feminist or ethnic minority commentary on anything "grievance politics". You've intuitively loaded your own definition. It's exactly as pointless as calling something "woke". The only people who will agree with your definition already have an innate sense of what "woke" is.

>>220901107
that wasn't the point being made.

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>>220901070
>We acknowledge it but think it's a consequence of capitalism.
Zero integrity from you people.
>yeah OK the water is boiling but it's like entirely your fault we had nothing to do with lighting the gas burner and defending beaners flooding the country

>>220901070
No one is falling for your class warfare grift you slimy fuck. Cultural marxism was made because no one wanted to give up everything just to starve for some demented midwits nonsense.

>>220900299
this, welcome to the forever hellscape

>>220901136
I don't recall ever asking for more migration. In fact, whenever I read about migration increases, I read comments from economists about filling labor gaps and stimulating GDP growth.
The whole conversation is saturated with capitalist rhetoric from the get go.

>>220901123
no, I actually think there's a distinction between talking about real injustices, and just mean vindictiveness with an aim to make people hurt and to ultimately destroy society.

I *do* actually think slavery is bad. I don't think white people voicing black people in a cartoon is bad, and I think the over sensitivity to those kinds of things is rooted in feelings of inferiority that quickly turn to spite.
>fuck you. I want to take this from you and ruin it
No, I don't respect that energy. That's basically pure evil.

>>220901073
why'd you leave out gay shit

>>220901007
its really funny, backlash to woke helped him get elected and now hes the biggest thing propping it up again

>>220901152
I'm not pushing Frankfurt School cultural Marxism. I'm telling you there's a blatant capitalist benefit to migration because there is.

>>220901185
that's just feminism, if you have eyes to see. It's all against going against masculine norms.

>>220901183
if your floor on decency and civility is “slavery IS bad I guess”, then decent and civil people will continue to surmount your existence with disgust and invalidation

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>>220901167
>hurrr durrt I didn't ask for it but you guys somehow did
Don't act like leftists didn't bitch about cutting off migrants and gaslight everyone through the media about how evil racists are the only people who care.
Unlike you I acknowledge the republican party is fucking trash and hate white people. Why must democrats keep defending their party despite it being proven to hate them just as much and work against their interests?

>>220901007
>it causes a counterculture response
Lol. You're not the counterculture. Woke is the norm that is being subverted.

>>220901241
You sound like an annoying bitch.

>>220901197
Oh but you are, you started doing it after OWS failed and realized that no one gave a fuck about your asinine marxist rhetoric about the proletariat and bourgeoisie since at the end of the day class is not something which is inherent to a person. Same reason why you despise the middle class because they are a reminder of that flux state. Oh then there is of course people finding out who the 1% actually were.
>I'm telling you there's a blatant capitalist benefit to migration because there is
There isn’t, it fucks with the market and eliminates competition. Migrants are an eternal scab class that only benefit corporations. But of course you will say that corporatism is actually capitalism and that you didn’t support it under the guise of trying to push the poor victimized brown people who needed to be here and couldn’t be kicked the fuck out and sent back to the shithole they crawled here from.

>>220901070
>We acknowledge it but think it's a consequence of capitalism
Are you 14?

>>220899865
Because "woke" mostly just means being a decent person

>>220901284
>But of course you will say that corporatism is actually capitalism
Modern corporatism only exists because it's propped up by the government. Without them keeping the middle class dead and small businesses suppressed by taxes and regulations.

>>220901253
talking about the sparrows, bud.
predestination, love, man. Calvinism.

>>220901253
I'm not defending Democrats. They're liberal capitalists which is why they're pro-migration. You complained about leftists, not about Democrats specifically.

>>220901313
So not the fault of capitalism since at the end of the day it is anathema to it and the concept of the free market as a whole.

>>220901261
(You) don’t get to pretend the most powerful man in the world is the most powerful man in the world with control of all three wings of the federal government. american bigotry is the status quo, and “woke” is the subversion

>>220901270
subversion of immorality is often annoying

>>220901336
>with control of all three wings of the federal government
Fucking foreigners man.

>>220901284
No, you're mistaking grassroots leftists for media companies that cloak themselves in liberal progressivism.
>Migrants are an eternal scab class that only benefit corporations
Yes? That's my entire argument.
Migration benefits the most powerful economic actors at the expense of the working class.
>But of course you will say that corporatism is actually capitalism
Capitalism is about the accumulation of capital. Corporate dominance happens when that accumulation reaches a particular intensity.
We were always going to end up at this point.

This is why all the opposition to migration is meaningless without opposition to capitalism. In the UK, their own Conservative party presided over the largest increase in immigrants in their entire history. Because Conservative parties are just capitalist parties.

>>220901336
Shut the fuck up, Lisa.

>>220901335
The root of capitalism is capital. It's not called free-marketism.

>>220901335
>we haven’t tried real capitalism

>>220901396
>No, you're mistaking grassroots leftists for media companies that cloak themselves in liberal progressivism
No I am pointing out the very real phenomenon that you and your ilk have been riding for the past ten years. You worked hand in hand with these companies and worked your way into them to push all this bullshit. This has been something which has been seen over and over through shit like taking advantage of and pushing diversity quotas and the rise of the psychotic HR cunts who act as cultural commissars making sure that the “right” people are hired and everyone stays in line.
>Yes? That's my entire argument
But yet you fight for it and cry when people want it to be stopped. Which is why you completely avoided that I pointed that out.
>Capitalism is about the accumulation of capital
No, it is much more than that, it is about how capital is gained and transferred and how elements of the free market and trade influence it. Corporate monopolies are a subversion of that because they blatantly stifle the market and competition. You slimy fucks need to push this issue as if it some inevitable endpoint and not a blockage that can be fixed. And that’s because if everyone knew that you can just unfuck the system then no one would fall for your retarded revolutionary bullshit.
>This is why all the opposition to migration is meaningless without opposition to capitalism
Except it’s not due to the fact that migration ending would benefit a capitalist system. Less migrants undercutting the labor market would mean there would be more work with better pay. And with better pay comes the ability to accumulate more capital which can be used to buy and invest in various things which in turn stimulates the market and adjusts prices accordingly. Supply and demand, simple economics which you have utterly failed to grasp like every marxist because you and your ilk are the epitome midwits who are incapable of actually using information and just regurgitate.

>>220901479
No we have and it works, but what’s being done now is not actually capitalism. But good to see you retards are still seething about getting mocked for using that cope.

>>220901418
>The root of capitalism is capital. It's not called free-marketism
The free market is what drives the acquisition and trade of capital you dunce. Without it there would be no capitalism at all. You exchange capital for goods and services and thus your capital transfers to another.

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>>220901311
>Because "woke" mostly just means being a decent person

>>220901576
When did we try it?

>>220900299
It's almost as if we're getting preoccupied with perpetual culture war nonsense to keep us divided and docile and to distract us from class war

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>>220901336
>american bigotry
Against WHO?

>>220901336
Yet you're a tranny who gets annoyed by everything too

>>220900299
"Anti-woke" is literally just normal, faggot.

>>220901553
>the free market of labour cannot actually be free because we need to ban migration

So you also advocate for nobody being able to leave their home state because that’s migration too and it’s people from other places stealing jobs from muh state

>>220900323
>Leftist projecting his cultish personality onto others

>>220901633
When it was first created in and it’s been going ever since. Companies rising and falling and the market adjusting to fix the fuck up. But as the Industrial Revolution came the rise of the monopoly and corporate trust began to subvert the market which lead to stagnation. Figures like Roosevelt worked to fix this by creating anti-monopoly and trust laws but these systems were not properly maintained and the monopolies grew again. Seriously how do you not know this? Are you in middle school or something?

>>220901682
So it’s normal to discriminate but then you always start crying how you’re being discriminated against

>>220901553
You say no but you're doing the same thing I mentioned before. I never advocated for any of that.
>you fight for it and cry when people want it to be stopped
I don't though. The only people crying here are the ones that got irrationally angry when I said it was a capitalist byproduct.
>it is about how capital is gained and transferred and how elements of the free market and trade influence it.
No the markets don't have to be free. It's still capitalism if the capital is privately rather than socially owned. Nobody uses the term in the way you do. If they did, the world has never been capitalist. We've had world spanning corporations since the EIC.
>Except it’s not due to the fact that migration ending would benefit a capitalist system. Less migrants undercutting the labor market would mean there would be more work with better pay.
That's not a capitalist benefit, that's a working class benefit. Capitalists don't care if you get better pay. Under capitalism, the voices of those with the most capital speak over the voices of those without.
Capitalism naturally trends towards disproportionate accumulation. States get involved to balance out that accumulation but are quickly dominated by capitalists.
The economic system is the ultimate problem here. You're either naive or purposefully blinding yourself to the economic trends.
>Supply and demand
Like a greater supply of labor meaning corporations can pay workers less. Yes.

>>220901336
Leftists are immoral.
Their moral compass is literally inverted compared to normal people.

>>220901697
>So it’s normal to discriminate
Since when? The only people discriminating are leftshit faggots discriminating against White people.

>>220901684
>So you also advocate for nobody being able to leave their home state
And here you immediately go for the strawman because you are incapable of actually arguing against what I said and thus show you know you’re full of shit. While also giving the same pro-immigration cope argument by presenting a situation of false equivalence where a citizen of one nation moving to another part of the nation is somehow the same as an individual coming from another country all together and effectively working as a scab with no investment into anything save their own in group.

ignoring the gay ass faggots interjecting with muh capitalism in this thread (they are all retarded), I think corporate america was experiencing market saturation and tried to chase new consumer groups with mixed results.
Like okay, we already have all the white nerdy males into lord of the rings, let's cast some black characters to try and pander to the black audience that might not have been into it before; we'll make a bunch of superhero movies with female leads and get girls hooked into superhero movies and merch; our basketball team will host a pride night at one of the games to try and get the lgbt audience. It's a hit or miss, a movie like shang-chi or black panther was pretty successful for example, while you also had disasters like the bud light trans ad campaign.
Ultimately I think they had a hard time finding a balance between appealing to new consumer segments (making the new spider man a black kid from the inner city, okay) and alienating their OG customers (turning an entertaining superhero movie into a 2 hour lecture about how white people are evil, not okay), and didn't expect the backlash they would receive when they did get things wrong.

>>220901716
Normal people aren't worthwhile

>>220901311
>Because "woke" mostly just means being a decent person
no, that's just called being decent.

Woke is any and all of the following:
• actions and ideas narrowly informed by critical theory or one of its pseudo academic hellspawn
(ID pol, CRT, anti-racism, whiteness, feminism decolonization, etc)
• political overcorrectness
• progressive regression
• unimaginative diversity for the sake of diversity, often at the expense of reality
• uncritical, ideologically motivated historical revisionism which relies upon a presentist reinterpretation as a means of correcting a perceived injustice or problematic narrative
• ypipo bad

>>220901594
There's acquisition and trade of capital now so by your own definition this is a free market.
You can't maintain this position and also argue corporations are subverting the market at the same time which you labelled corporatism.

Of course the actual explanation is that market freedom is a gradient but that's now how you've been arguing thus far.

>>220901649
That's an absolutely crazy idea with no basis in reality. Videogames and movies sucking ass because of woke shit is clearly a bigger issue that we should all argue about tirelessly. When they made the little mermaid black I felt as though I had been literally raped.

>>220899865
"Woke" is just a product that companies tried to sell do you dummies. There's no politics in hollywood, only money.

>>220901733
Since you developed persecution complexes and became the new right wing SJWs.

>>220901746
They're motivated by revenge and really the only way they can think to make the populace get along is by training the whites to hate themselves. You see this even in just commercials now.

>>220901716
>>220901679
>>220901650
>>220901413
>>220901378
I like how none of (You) disagree with me you’re just annoyed I’m right

>>220901841
>N-N-No, U!!!
Why is this the only defense that leftists ever have these days?

>>220901848
Whatever you have to tell yourself, friend. Your victories are as imaginary as your second X-chromosome.

>>220901703
>You say no but you're doing the same thing I mentioned before. I never advocated for any of that
Oh but you did, you just need to lie about it now because you cannot argue it.
>I don't though. The only people crying here are the ones that got irrationally angry when I said it was a capitalist byproduct
You did and now you have to say “no u” because you’re incapable of actually defending yourself. You know exactly what happened and you were a part of it.
>No the markets don't have to be free
Yes they do, a planned economy is anathema to capitalism. You are harping too much on literal nomenclature while ignoring actual doctrine and ideas. This is of course because you either have no understanding of it or have to pretend to because you think it will make arguing a chore.
>Nobody uses the term in the way you do
Ad populum? Really of course you’re this pathetic.
>the world has never been capitalist
You go from capitalism is the problem to the world has never been capitalist. Amazing how you actively contradict yourself all for one point.
>That's not a capitalist benefit, that's a working class benefit
It is a capitalist benefit for reasons I just explained but thanks for admitting the working class benefit from capitalism while trying to say it’s not capitalism to cope.
>Under capitalism, the voices of those with the most capital speak over the voices of those without
Which is not the case since unions exist under capitalism and do not need to have retarded marxist bullshit in order to make sure people don’t get shafted. It wasn’t marxist ideology that lead to labor laws in the US it was the need to make sure people were able to work and make money without getting fucked over. And it’s the same reason why actual working class joes despise you retards because in the end they just want to live their lives making a decent wage without having you crying about how they need to burn everything down.

>>220901848
It's empty sophist bullshit

More low IQ lefty troons baiting now great

>>220901870
>>220901865
I simply stated the most powerful man in the world IS the most powerful man in the world with control of congress, the senate, and the white house. why does simply stating an unequivocal fact make you angry?

>>220901848
You claiming something nonsensical and getting made fun of for it isn't evidence you're "right".

>>220901916
the most powerful man in the world with control of congress, the senate, and the white house is nonsensical? how so?

>>220901857
Part of the problem is how you've spent so much time in your hugbox surrounded by your fellow chuds that you forgot you're radical extremist minorities shunned by most of society.

>>220901902
That's not the only thing you claimed and not what anybody contested.
Typical weaselly, disingenuous, effeminate leftist arguing tactics.

>>220901770
>There's acquisition and trade of capital now so by your own definition this is a free market
Except it’s not because it is being stifled by others. A corporation which buys out all of its competitors and middle men in order to corner the market does not actually transfer capital it merely hordes it and creates a situation where ultimately any capital which they give will always return to them in a static loop. The market is not being functioning, it is not being fed or maintained, it is just stuck in a horrific ouroboros where it shits in its own mouth because one retard is holding it hostage. There is no trade being done, it’s just effectively loaning out money to return it again whenever you need food or whatever and then working to have it loaned out again. That is not a free system.
>Of course the actual explanation is that market freedom is a gradient but that's now how you've been arguing thus far
No the actual explanation is you do not understand what the free market is and just keep making statements which you can’t defend before moving on to something else and hoping you can get a gotcha.

>>220901902
>>220901929
This shit right here? This is why leftists keep losing.

>>220901929
the 80 year old boomer paints his face orange every day and gets his doctors to lie about his health and you people act like that's completely normal, for just one example.

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>>220901930
>you've spent so much time in your hugbox surrounded by your fellow chuds that you forgot you're radical extremist minorities shunned by most of society

>>220901931
the current status quo: the most powerful man in the world uses the word woke as a pejorative and controls congress, the senate, and the white house. why do you simply insult me instead of arguing the reality I assert? if you cannot conversate, I understand, but insults are like rain in the ocean on chan

>>220901848
You tried saying the President of the United States controls all branches of government. You are blatantly wrong and when that was pointed out you tried acting smug. What are you trying to make it seem like you’re trolling now because you embarrassed yourself?

>>220901929
>>220901950
Quit replying to your own posts, you freakish tranny. It's pathetic and creepy.

>>220901947
maybe in the united states. my country has free health care and child care tax credits and maternity leave. leftists are doing just fine here

>>220901868
You have no legitimate basis for that claim. It's wild that rightists can disavow the republican party and mainstream rightist politics but expect all leftists everywhere to defend corporate liberalism.
>you were a part of it
nope
>while ignoring actual doctrine and ideas
I've presented a solid argument for my idea. Your rebuttal to which has been idiotically semantic following a definition that reflects zero understanding of economics.
>Ad populum? Really of course you’re this pathetic.
Incorrect. I explained why nobody agrees with your definition. Because it makes capitalism this idealistic thing that has never existed.
It's also not self-consistent with the arguments you're making.
>You go from capitalism is the problem to the world has never been capitalist
This is the logical consequence of your definition you moron.
>It is a capitalist benefit for reasons
It's not and you haven't addressed my argument regarding supply and demand which you invoked in your own post.
Your naive confusion between capitalist interests and working class interests is at the heart of your misunderstanding.
>since unions exist under capitalism
Look up how unions were treated under neoliberalism.

>>220901902
For a period of only 4 years in only one country, and to get to that point it required gaming the system, all of the cheating and underhanded tactics just to get a power that won't even last. Everyone acknowledges it as temporary and hardly even real. On the other hand every other western power is the polar opposite of him.

>>220901960
>Leftist fatty lies yet again
No wonder nobody takes them seriously any more.

>>220901961
the president does control the current congress, the senate, and the white house. are we denying obvious reality now? if so, then we may as well argue unicorns and leperchauns too

>>220901976
We'll see how long that lasts as they mass-import brown people :)

>>220901939
Entities are objectively accumulating capital you fucking moron.
Your idealistic fantasy isn't an argument.
1. Corporations exist and are accumulating capital.
2. You idiotically define the precondition of accumulating capital to be a free market.
3. Therefore the argument is free.
But you have argued the market is NOT free.

Your own conclusions don't support your definitions and arguments.
Because you're an idiot with zero cohesive understanding of politics or economics. Everything is just a vibe to you because you're a rightist moron.

>>220901983
but it is real.

>>220902027
>the argument
the market*

>>220901997
so your npc speech switch is stuck on “insult” and that’s okay but I was hoping you had the intellect to switch it to “discussion”

>>220901847
I don't think so, I think it's just a money thing for them. There's only so many white males out there into something like Star Wars for example that at some point as an executive it makes sense to stop going after the 10% of white males that aren't into star wars and instead try to get the 80% of blacks and females who never got into it. You're banking on the 90% white males that you already captured watching the movie anyways because they love star wars, and then even if you only get 30% of blacks and females, it's a big win and if you throw in shifting demographics with immigration and a global society (taking it as a given here, let's not open that can of worms when we already have fags in here screeching about capitalism), it's almost a no-brainer to put more minorities on screen when you already have a huge catalog of white and male dominated stuff.
Where you may have a point is that without a roadmap on how to get minorities into seats, these companies probably consulted with "experts" like ivory tower academics who specialize in stuff like critical race theory or feminism or LGBT history or whatever on how to best target these groups with their products. A lot of those types, definitely the extreme ones, have hate and vitriol against "colonizers", "the patriarchy", "cisgender normative" or whatever the fuck, and without knowing any better it's just like "okay I guess that's what appeals to gays/hispanics/blacks". Again it's a hit and miss, you have stuff like latinx which the average hispanic thinks is ridiculous but on the flip side a lot of the anti-white stuff appeals to the average black person, whether or not you think it's justified or not

>>220901976
>my country has free health care
Spoilers: It isn't free.

Every complaint about "capitalism" is really just a complaint about greed which, not unsurprisingly, is just as prevalent in socialist or communist systems. All leftist critical discourse relies on an endless and massive collection of strawman definitions and arguments.

>>220901977
>You have no legitimate basis for that claim
Oh but I do, ten years of it in fact. And all you can do is try and say it’s not happening and that you didn’t do anything after purposely avoiding what I said before. And now that I have pointed that out you will play dumb and pretend you didn’t.
>nope
Yes, stop acting like a child.
>I've presented a solid argument for my idea
You really haven’t, you have presented a series of statements and platitudes which have been torn apart and all you can muster is attempting to say how it’s not true but cannot actually say how that is.
>semantic
We are literally arguing the meaning of capitalism and you had to have it be explained to you. Of course semantics are going to be a key part of that especially when you need to be this purposefully obtuse about everything.
>following a definition that reflects zero understanding of economics
Yet you cannot actually argue that and just say I do not understand while everything you say gets blown away by simple logic and all you can do is just keep asking me to explain things and ignore whatever I say that leaves you at an impasse.
>Incorrect. I explained why nobody agrees
You didn’t, you just tried saying how it meant the world would have never been capitalist but could not say what that would actually mean. Again all you have are empty statements.
>This is the logical consequence of your definition you moron
No it’s you not being able to keep a straight narrative while arguing because ultimately you’re wrong and cannot accept it.
>It's not and you haven't addressed my argument regarding supply and demand
I have and you are ignoring it.
>Look up how unions were treated under neoliberalism
Look up how they were treated under bullmoose progressives. In the end there is an answer to all this but you won’t accept it because it’s not your retarded midwit nonsense.

>>220902101
spoiler: it’s a federal tax off my paycheque I get back in april on my tax return that is actually less than the amount you pay on health insurance through your employer only i get more benefits because your plan is statistically unlikely to include dental or emergency surgery

>>220901959
Yes.

>>220901930
are you being intentionally ironic

>>220902010
>the president does control the current congress
No he fucking doesn’t, that’s not how the house works. Just because one party has a majority does not mean a president of the same party has direct control over it. Also I know you’re a foreigner because the senate is not a separate branch but a part of the legislative. The judicial (ie the Supreme Court) are the third and the president does not have control over it. How about you read a fucking book and stop showing everyone what an utter dolt you are.

>>220902160
I invite you to stand on any street corner with a giant sign saying "Gas the kikes and kill all browns" and see how quickly you get your ass beat by people who aren't leftists.

>>220902096
> but on the flip side a lot of the anti-white stuff appeals to the average black person, whether or not you think it's justified or not

What I mean is that to get their ideal scenario where they keep both audiences, they have to succeed in retraining their old audience to hate themselves.

>>220899865
Because many times “woke” translates to being a decent human being which many people still are.

>>220899865
lol congress is in the process of giving Israel control over our military.

>>220902027
>Entities are objectively accumulating capital you fucking moron
Accumulating but not circulating which is the key part of the free market.
>You idiotically define the precondition of accumulating capital to be a free market
Of course you have to leave the aspect of trade out because without it this is the only way you have anything to argue. As usual when the tankie fails he starts spewing logical fallacies to cope.
>But you have argued the market is NOT free
Because the current market isn’t you retard, it’s been highjacked by corporatists pushing their monopolies and trusts. I have been saying this from jump and why it is not Capitalism. And you know that you just need to play dumb because you have nothing else.

>>220902167
this particular president does indeed control congress and often overrules them with war and tarrifs. which is why I am surprised you’re even arguing this. this is the man you voted for and explicitly wanted to do. unless, I guess, you disagree with his obvious disregard for congress and senate

the overton window only works insofar as women can change their consensus. women don't watch south park and other stuff that pokes fun of woke. they don't understand the humor. they understand instagram. south park is just silly boy shit

>>220902232
Okay so you are completely avoiding how you showed yourself to be a retard who has no idea how the federal government works at the most basic level but will still try to insist that the president as control over congress even though he has not presented any bills himself or actually done anything which the various representatives and senators have the ability to do.
>and often overrules them with war and tarrifs
That’s his power of the executive you fucking retard he is able to veto any bill. That’s not having control over the legislative branch. What kind of harebrained shitskin are you?

>>220902202
>>220902211
YOU STILL HAVE AIDS LOL

>>220902202
Is this AI? They're practically reading off of a fucking script.

>>220902279
He's right you know.

>>220900598
If it was done to be more accurate, why don't we change the maps so that North and South America are one continent?

>>220902289
Another canned quip

>>220902321
No I mean his post is 100% accurate and you can't respond to it so you call it fake.

>>220902279
>Is this AI?
You critically underestimate just how utterly robotic the average tankie is.

>>220902346
Where are these tankies? May I see them?

>>220900323
>blind loyalty to MAGA
Conservatives have considerably more diversity of thought than leftoids thoughbeitever.

>>220902370
Look in the mirror faggot.

>>220902377
This is hilarious coming from the party who just primaried the republicans who weren't loyal to the orange man.

>>220900323
Back to astroturfing huh?

>>220902337
There is no response to empty rhetoric. What am I supposed to do, come up with some meme macro trash that's convincing simply because it's short and sweet and sounds like something a Marvel character would shit out?

>>220902387
How about instead you go back to your rotten-brained shithole on twitter and stay there forever with the tankies while I stay here and discuss television and film.

>>220902222
Entities are still obviously circulating capital.
>Of course you have to leave the aspect of trade out
How does adding trade back into the mix fix anything? Entities are STILL trading as well.

This is just ridiculous. I'm not going to be a dick about it but your own definition doesn't map onto the argument you're making. You should just argue that markets are more or less free and corporations erode market freedom without making it into a command economy necessarily.

My argument doesn't change anyway. Capitalism leads to the accumulation of capital which begets power. The capital holders will absolutely restrict market freedom if it's to their benefit. We know that this happens with things like regulatory capture.
Even if you can produce a 'free market' state it exists in a status of perpetual instability.

>>220902377
>Conservatives have considerably more diversity of thought
Makes sense to me.
There's only one way to be objectively correct, but there's thousands of delusional conspiracy theories out there to believe in.

>>220902417
You can't come up with a response because your world view is nonsensical and laughable to anyone who doesn't post on this anonymous basketweaving forum. That's why you're here, remember? You're afraid to reveal your power level to outward society.

>>220902426
>doesn’t deny it
>tries to pretend he care about off-topic posting
How about you go back to whatever shitcord serve you crawled here from and dilate while crying how you were btfo again. I’m sure the faggot janny that is letting this thread continue will comfort you.

>>220902396
TDS has rotted leftoid minds, anyone right of center or who disagrees with them on a single issue is blumpf and Hitler and is lih-turally a Nazi.

>>220902450
>coping this hard
The Science says that leftists are fucking cultists, friend, not conservatives.
Do you trust the Science or not?

>>220902450
>MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY
>...YOU STUPID FUCKING FASCIST!
Lmao.

>>220902477
>>220902480
He owned you btw

>>220902468
>>220902477
>>220902480
>b-b-but DA LEFT!!!11
you people are self-parodies and the more you don't realize it the more hilarious it is.

>>220902188
I see what you mean. Ultimately with their size these large companies are trend followers, not trend setters, and they chase wherever they think the most money can be found. Unless you're angling at "the media and corporate america are all controlled by jews or elites or lizard people and their goal is for all us regular folk to be fighting each other" line of thinking (again, not gonna get into it)... these corpos are at the mercy of the zeitgeist, and while there is probably still a lot of room to run as far as targeting minorities, women, other woke stuff, there's also been a shift slowly in the last decade or so towards anti-woke. Politically, it started with trump, but also japan, south america, UK, all over the world. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future there'll be movies with an anti-immigrant undertone, or more stuff with nationalism or patriotic vibes.

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>>220902495
No he didn't, he pizzacaked me.

>>220902449
>Entities are still obviously circulating capital
If that was the case you would not have tried to ignore that aspect of it. You know what is happening and all you can do is play dumb because you can’t admit you are wrong.
>How does adding trade back into the mix fix anything
You immediately show what you said above was you effectively saying nu uh because trade is the circulation of capital without it the market stagnate and by acknowledging that it has to be reintroduced you’re showing that you know it’s not occurring and therefore you were full of shit.
>Entities are STILL trading as well
Except they are not, as I said it’s all one big ouroboros where it just keep cycling back to them but you can’t address that and just have to keep acting like it’s not happening.
>This is just ridiculous. I'm not going to be a dick about it but your own definition
The translation to this being you are going to give up and just say you don’t want to bother after you failed to argue and will try to act smug and assert how you are totally right while running away with your tail between your legs.
>You should just argue that markets are more or less free and corporations erode market freedom without making it into a command economy necessarily
Nigger that’s what I said and you ignored it.
>My argument doesn't change
And you’re still wrong and just have to keep asserting while ignoring how you have been proven wrong and cannot refute what has been said about what you describing being corporatism and not capitalism.
>Even if you can produce a 'free market' state it exists in a status of perpetual instability
Which was and has been the case prior to the takeover of corporatist entities and it succeeded in creating the modern word given it allowed for open investment and acquisition of capital.

>>220902451
Is that the reason why you can only recite these safe and empty ChatGPT quips? There's no substance there, it's just one-size-fits-all cliche bullshit. All so reliant on convincing someone that they are your strawman through bruteforce. There's nothing to discuss on /tv/ with my perspectives as a gay man, but I'm still here obviously. Your little catchphrases don't account for that.

>>220902686
No that's the reason you're here on an anonymous basketweaving forum instead of revealing your power level with your name attached on a site with 10x the amount of users.

>>220902514
This isn't an actual counter-argument. Just going
>b-b-but DA LEFT!!!11
isn't an argument.

>>220899865
Woke is in the stage where the left is pretending it never actually happened and that chuds were just imagining it.
There was a good half-decade where trannies could bring down people's careers through a twitter campaign and now the complete opposite is true. Chuds actually won, but there's still plenty of motivation/funding to let a zombie woke phase last for a little while longer, until they have no choice but to try something else.

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>ITT a wokefag tries to unironically push his bullshit here and gets fucking bodied

>>220902813
Once again you've mixed up someone mocking you with thinking people are here to argue with you. It's not like you even watch South Park, yet you will seethe eternally that they made fun of people like you, which is why this thread exists.

>>220902824
More like three chuds start uncsplaining what the leftists they saw on twitter did and how it made them feel persecuted, while the rest of /tv/ makes fun of them.

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>>220900299
no one gets fed up with anti woke
>>220899865
because the same fags are in charge of Hollywood and larry fink, alone, controls the retirement accounts of 1 and 4 Americans and it isn't like the other pension/401k companies aren't also woke as fuck. also have fun because larry fink basically said we need to force people to invest their 401k accounts into data centers and AI to beat chyna
>>220901649
>>220901810
cool, let us pass laws banning trannies, sodomy, gun control and immigration and then together we can go after the rich, but you won't because you care more about trannies than class war

>>220902844
lmao alright you delusional retard. More like we dogpiled you and you just kept spouting off marxist dribble.

>>220902291
>>220900598
that's fucking retarded. Continents are literally social constructs, retardo. it was literally some yuropoors saying
>ok past this line they are no longer yuros
like point to the physical feature separating yurop from asia and asia from africa. there's literally nothing separating asia and yurop and the only thing separating egypt from israel is a man made canal, not an actual body of water
>muh asian mountains
by that logic jeet land and china should be separate continents since the fucking hymalayas separate russia from the jeets. hell, meds have more in common with north africans than they do with trans alpiners and the north africans have more in common with shitaly and asspain than they do with the subsaharans

>>220902888
>we
Who?

>>220902726
Notice how they always get caught in a loop like this. "Teeheehee they taught me that I can always win debates by just trying to overwhelm them with cutesy meme quips" What's the explanation for why you're here? Activist campaign? Because I sure as fuck would rather discuss this anywhere else because all this site encourage is this peabrained fucking cope seethe dilate cope seethe dilate "this soijak is you!!" format of argument

>>220901007
no human is pro woke

>>220902906
see >>220902180

>>220899865
People are still retarded and won’t take accountability for their lives and choices

>>220902861
I forgot that autists don't understand sarcasm

>>220902396
I am not a repooplican, never said I was.

>>220899865
"Woke" is a tool being used to divide and destroy the white western world. It will never die. They'll never stop. You can't vote your way out of it, you have to kill those responsible, and whites aren't willing to do that, hence, the downfall of their nations. Suicidal empathy is destroying you.

>>220902934
if you are so pissed off about
>muh districting us from a class war
drop the culture war shit. no one likes it, troon. if dems dropped gun control, baby murder, open borders, sodomites and troons they would get elected, but they won't, because leftism is when trannies and the more trannies there is the more leftist it is

>>220902911
Anon is still desperately trying to make this one strawman work, it's all he has.

>>220902274
what do you guise always say. we lost, trannies. (You) won. you and your opinions just so happen to align with the president, congress, and the senate. you and your opinions just so happen to be the status quo. and here you are, angry at that fact. why u mad? everyone who isn’t american, now believes all americans are like you. why is being mainstream and normal such a bad thing for you?

>>220903020
It obviously hit close to home for you since you keep responding without a single argument to the contrary. God damn I can't wait for the next south park season to watch you people melt down every week.

>>220903008
Yes I will personally call off the culture war shit. Shut it down discord fags and glowies, this anon has had enough.
Direction brained retards like yourself are the reason the culture wars continue. Left vs Right is broadly a distraction considering the general public are so politically illiterate that most people could not identify the financial philosophies both represent and what they actually mean.

>>220903095
Are the discord fags and glowies in the room now?

>>220903101
Genuinely yes

>>220901735
If you’re so against labour migration it’s pretty odd that you’re entirely okay when it’s people from towns and states next to you that come in and undercut your wages and take your jobs.

>>220903105
Your brain is rotten.

>>220903134
That's how the free market works, my man. It used to be that's what conservatives wanted before they became a cult of personality.

>>220903095
leftists are pro "free trade", nike sweatshops and open borders so that businesses can hire scabs to break unions, often at illegally low rates
but all leftists are problack trannies, and not being problack tranny will get you kicked out of leftist circles, ergo, leftism is about black trannies and not any economic model

>>220903146
Right, it’s only bad when those migrant workers have darker skin. I’m not racist, I’m just for free markets (for whites)!

>>220903186
This but unironically

>>220901684
>>220903134
>>220903146
>>220903186
it's you again, faggot. immigration is evil and it's a tool of the rich to lower wages. moving between towns, cities and states in the same nation is the right of a citizen of that nation. foreigners are evil and the importation of foreigners is evil. what the fuck is the point of a nation and an economy if it does not make the lives of the citizens of said nation better? you are intentionally arguing in bad faith because you hate white people and want everyone to be slaves to the mega rich

>>220900836
Get Rich Or Die Trying is the most American mindset ever anon. Also known as Got Mine, Fuck'em.
Sorry that you don't like the mirror this close but those are YOUR ideals you're seeing.
Or are you pro-socialized healthcare and government regulations or whatever you want to pretend is the devil now.

>>220903196
literally no one cares about "browns" but chuds and miggers

>>220903196
You know you replied to at least 3 different people, right?

>>220903213
oh cool, you're a yuropoor. I donate to organizations that help facilitate brown migrants moving into yurop
enjoy
>>220903206
nta. why the fuck should I pay for the healthcare of poors, fats, illegals, immigrants, sodomites, troons, baby murderers, drunkards, drug addicts and gun control advocates?
>>220903238
please don't call them people

>>220903257
>ti's the "yuropoor tranny" boomer
Oh I should have known it was you.

>>220903287
I'm not a boomer. and good to know you are a yuropoor. you eastern yuros love open borders and troons

>>220903305
How did you get this bad?

>>220900219
the answer is literally as simple as this
american liberals are the intelligentsia. their ideas would lose traction if they were shown to be incompatible with reality to an extent that you can't just ignore.
people won't go 'trump won. i guess i was wrong about everything. time to become more racist.'

>>220903321
I should ask you that, troon

>>220903443
Go ask the board with actual troons on it and stop shitting up /tv/
>>>/lgbt/

>>220903196
People like you always inevitably turn on your fellow citizens because your entire worldview revolves around FUCK YOU I DESERVE TO HAVE IT INSTEAD. If the border was closed today you would immediately switch from foreigners bad to my neighbours bad. Because it’s just ME ME ME ME ME.

And the United States was literally built on the backs of immigrants. The entire fucking country was established by white immigrants and they imported foreigners to build everything from railways to picking your cotton. Even today they are a net positive to the country economically.

>>220903257
If everyone has access to universal healthcare it’s better for the economy, better for country when its people aren’t forced to suffer. One day you’re going to be old and sick and you won’t be able to afford the best care. But fuck you, right? Should have become a billionaire, lazy fuck

>>220903491
Instead you're just trained to be self hating and you want to go extinct as your way of apologizing

>>220903563
How selfish of you to care about old and sick privileged Europeans when war torn countries have it so much worse

>>220899865
reminder Matt and Trey were behind Columbine

>>220900299
>I go on 4chan
>I get mad at retards
>I hope something woke happens that ruins their day
>I go on tumblr
>I get mad at retards
>I hope something chuddy happens that ruins their day
>repeat
Why am I like this

>>220900299
It ends once the kikes are dead.

>>220903624
>Muh white genocide

>>220903452
you're a troon, I'm asking you
>>220903491
you aren't even American, thirdie. this is why I donate to groups that send third worlders to yurop, australia and new zealand
see how you like it
>>220903563
a. I want people, for lack of a better term, I dislike to suffer and not get medical care for curable illnesses
b. why should I pay for baby murder?
Why should I pay for a troon to cut his dick off?
why should I pay for sodomites, fats, drug addicts and drunks? those are all life style illnesses, they chose to do that
why should I pay for illegals? they are evil invaders and you want to rob me, at gun point, to give them free shit

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>>220903652

>>220900701
They are absolutely denying it. Even the suggestion of replacement is "a conspiracy theory"

>>220902396
You mean those center-left RINOs? Good riddance.

>>220902096
>I think it's just a money thing for them.
Don't think so, otherwise studios like Amazon wouldn't insist on inserting niggers and faggots into every series after watching Yidney lose billions doing so.
Besides, Amazon specifically does not care about money with movies and none of the companies that do care about it haven't learned a single thing from the dozens of movies that flopped hard trying to pander to new audiences.

>>220901649
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks

>>220902993
>You can't vote your way out of it, you have to kill those responsible,
Do it yourself, glowie boy.

>>220903928
>none of the companies that do care about it haven't learned a single thing from the dozens of movies that flopped hard trying to pander to new audiences.

But audiences show they don’t want white people movies

>>220904022
Sure they do, tranny

>>220902893
>point to the physical feature separating yurop from Asia
The Bosphorus Strait

>>220904019
Sadly, I think we won't have a choice in a decade or so, as they've done enough damage that violence will break out regardless.

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>>220904097
>sadly

>>220904129
>>sadly
Yes, sadly. I already got enough of that shit in A-stan and Iraq, but the leftists are pushing it here in the states, and between them and the browns, they're going to kick it off turning our nation into a fucking hell hole of violence and misery.

Meanwhile the billionaires and millionaires funding this shit will simply go live somewhere else...

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I do not believe that race, sex or sexuality define a person's character to a point that justifies sweeping generalizations.

Where's all the Pride advertising? It's the start of gay month.

It's a consequence of the demographics shift. All the "woke" stuff is something mostly non-whites and women are into. If the US was 99% white it wouldn't exist.

>>220904097
Don't care about your doom and gloom, glowie.

From my perspective, it seems like every form of media is on a profit death spiral as it's all sunk to lowest common denominator and can't even match the quality of past projects. Everyone is playing old games, watching old movies, listening to old music. And the algorithm keeps them there.

Being pro gay used to be woke

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>>220899865
>>220900299
>It's a never ending cycle
Wrong! Nothing has changed from the fundamental principle of Leftists acting as a Vanguard and the Conservatives legitimizing and figuring out the logistics for insane Leftist demands.

It's always 2 steps forward, 1 step back. The same happened with woke. Wokes pushed for 2 steps back. Everyone thought they were crazy, but still took 1 step with them:
>transsexuality as an identity firmly exists now, they used to be call crossdressers in the 90s and early 2000s, now no one uses that term
>marriage has completely hollowed out, even before gay marriage, wives had ALL of their obligations abolished, even the small sliver of mercy to help men from being divorce raped, which was making "intermarital rape" illegal, was in truth just a Leftist trick, so that ex-wives could sue their husbands for more money during divorce with a rape claim, before there was the common understanding that all sex in marriage was in principle consensual, unless explicitly proven otherwise (Yes, you were not able to just force yourself on your wife, who separated from you)

All of these things are so firmly established now. You don't even realize how defeated we were in ideological battles, because this shit happened all before our time, under the watchful eye of the boomers. The pendulum swing back hasn't even happened yet and it will only happen, when this rotten fallen world finally collapses and we can have dictatorships of strong men again in the West.

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>>220902844
>uncsplaining
Literal woman-brain.
Leftists are such nasty, disgusting little queers.

>>220899865
globohomo is desperately lashing out because they're getting btfo constantly
they're absolutely terrified of completely losing power because it will make them vulnerable to judgement and punishment just like everyone else

>>220904040
Northman? Bombed. Bombed. Christy? Bombed. Tron? Bombed. Alto Knighta? Bombed. Mickey 17? Bombed. Clearly people don’t like white lead characters

>>220903067
go to bed sandeep try doing the needful another time

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I blame the GODDAMN MONGOWIANS!