>>220913959
do you think that working on your self is a waste of time?

>>220913959
Have you never considered the fact that the bigger the psychiatry industry gets, the more people go insane?

>>220913959
yes, but they have 200+IQ

>>220913959
sir this is /tv/

>>220913983
Most therapists fail to identify and explore what needs to be worked on. Do you think not being a faggot is a waste of time?

>>220914386
where do you think your anger comes from? were you close to your parents growing up?

>>220913959
>All the ones I’ve met were time-wasting retards

It's not your fault.

I've never been to therapy but I've known several psychologists and psychiatrists privately, and all of their family lives have been absolute fucking disasters with their own kids hating them, etc

>>220913959
Why do people say this was Robin Williams' first serious movie when he was already in Dead Poets Society and Awakenings before it? Just because he won an Oscar for GWH?

Maybe I'm too schizoid but the idea of paying some pseud to talk for an hour at a time and his words are going to fix or help me in anyway is just laughable. Oh my God good sir, you're telling me it's actually not by fault my foster parents beat the shit out of me?? I've never thought about this before. Thank you for imparting such wisdom

>>220914545
then you cry, you hug it out, and BAM you're ready to start trusting people again

>>220913983
You can work on yourself without paying hundreds of dollars an hour to ruminate about your past and problems with some fake doctor

>>220913998
In Japan they experimented with a system paying doctors just as much for if their patients were well as for the sick ones.

Turns out - it was all a hoax. The whole thing. People can be born, go through their lives and not once use medical services and be fine. Turn up for the books eh? (well a few people in their whole lifetime maybe could do well from a doctor after getting sepsis or something).

Of course the system was unsustainable overall and had to be wound down because the pharma industry was losing profits from it.

>>220914545
>>220914561
I feel better just from sharing thoughts and feelings with others. Sometimes others can help gain new perspectives.

>>220913959
>Do good therapists really exist?
No. The best you can hope for is not being prescribed life-ruining drugs.

>>220914567
do you usually push people away when they show a kindness to you, a willingness to help?

>>220914599
sometimes a loosening of your own neurosis is all you need, which is convenient because that's the most that therapy can ever hope to accomplish

>>220914561
After the movie Will is arrested for domestic abuse within two weeks

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Does therapy even work if your depression is just a natural reaction to your shit life?

>pretty much 0 friends, never had a gf, virgin
>don't really go anywhere or do anything besides work, the gym, and home
I don't think it's a chemical imbalance, it's my brain just realizing that I lack the basic need of human connection and intimacy.

even if I start taking antidepressants, will I suddenly become ok with knowing I wasted my youth and have never been invited to a party?

>>220913959
>Do good therapists really exist? All the ones I’ve met were time-wasting retards
and…
*shuffles notes, leans forward in chair facing you intently
how does that make you feel?…

>>220913983
Do you think paying a personal trainer to teach you about counting calories and jogging is a good use of money?

>>220914646
normal happy people dont get hung up on their shit childhood or not getting invited to a party. they just live their life and try to make the most of it.

>>220914622
Very elaborate way of agreeing with me

I don't know how "talk" entymologically applies with "therapy" but talking to somebody never raised a life changing epiphany, let alone with money exchanged
we're talking core values, how you live, not "oh shit this nylon can repel water" and you invent the disposable umbrella

>>220914682
yeah but most normal happy people are exactly that, normal. they dated, went to parties, and had a big friend group during their youth

>>220914704
I see you're taking those new perspectives to heart

>>220914501
Why do you associate being called a faggot on 4chan with anger? Did you have abusive parents calling you that while growing up?

>>220913959
I'm going to tell you a secret
You are a human, and to have a healty mind, it is required that you socialize and mingle. You unload to friends, you get reinforcement fron family, you get support from a companion.
A lot of people are shut ins and that's not a good thing for gregarious animals.
A therapist is NOTHING MORE that a "human interaction substitute". It's a paid friend, a paid "family pov", a paid "wife/husband pov" all at once.
It cannot "fix" your life, it provides a mockup baseline of interaction. It's like adding a UV light to a plant that will never see the sun.

>>220913959
Therapist in GWH was a Vietnam War veteran, and I had a counselor who served in the Gulf War that actually gave a shit
So I guess look for a male therapist who served, but good luck with that

>>220914727
You could have said
>all physical therapy can accomplish is improving how your body functions.
And i would have found your comment just as silly

>>220914646
In order to be happy you need to stop dwelling on the past and start focusing on the future. Yes, the first part of your life sucked. Go out there and make sure that the second part of your life doesn't suck too, you little bitch

>>220914646
Thats just you being a narcissist faggot. Go kill someone and live with the guilt then watch your “depression” disappear instantly. Most people don’t realize how gay and retarded their problems are until they’re confronted with larger problems. Go get stage 4 cancer and watch your depression over being loser go right out the window lmao.

>>220914794
>missing out on core life milestones that 99% of people experience and not having friends means you're just overreacting bro

>>220914814
Yes you narcissistic self absorbed pussy

>>220914733
I think we made good progress today and should stop here. That will be $300 plus tip. Same time next week?

>>220914755
that's not silly that's facile
treating behavioural issues with talking, that's silly

>>220914814
You could go out and talk to girls and mske friends now but you dont. You are self defeatest.

>>220914852
Human behavior is mediated by beliefs, emotions, habits, and interpretations. Talking can change all of those. If conversation couldn't alter behavior then persuasion, education, parenting, coaching, advertising, and even this discussion would be pointless.

>>220914794
I've had very serious health problems and it's not nearly as bad as my mental problems being a defective friendless loser. Just because you can't comprehend what someone like this goes through doesn't mean it's not real. You are a fish in water

>>220914646
>pretty much 0 friends
If you go to the gym there are most likely other men in similar positions there
Go chat someone up rather than just hitting your reps and going home, or at least reciprocate if someone ever speaks to you

itt; people with profound personality disorders claim no one needs therapy.

>>220913959
They're businessmen only interested in having you book another appointment.

>>220914747
>"human interaction substitute"
Sounds deeply counterproductive and unhealthy. The results indicate the same. There's no reason to think it helps anyone.

>>220914886
Funny you say that because much of that is pointless. Even the biggest true believer of psychiatry will admit there's a large subsect of people impervious to therapy

>>220914646
You have two options to reignite your spirit to live: Japan or Thailand.

You don't sound like a degenerate coomer so Japan probably suits you better. You'll meet a lot of other guys who are just like you over there.

>>220914921
You're right. I really should stop arguing with people on the internet because it's pointles.

>>220914932
funnily enough i've actually thought about that, but how do i know i won't be the same friendless loser in japan that i am in america? if anything wouldn't it make me lonelier because of the language barrier?

>>220914900
What if I know I have disorders and show up to therapy but nothing ever gets addressed because the industry is a scam?

>>220914973
There are various bar meetups almost every single day in Tokyo where tourists, expats and japanese people looking to learn english meet up to socialize. Most people who go there are solo, and no matter how weird you are you will find someone who's as weird as you. If you feel weird about eating alone in restaurant, there's no need for that in Tokyo since most restaurants literally cater to solo diners.

It's paradise for people like you. I've met a lot of social retards and autismos over the years and not a single one who didn't have a great time there

>>220914973
>>220915049
Also just go to the Japan General thread on /trv/ to learn all the ins and outs if you're not used to traveling alone internationally

>>220914973
Nothing will change. At this point your ways are either set in stone or you're suddenly going to do a complete 180 on your personality and become a completely different person. Guess which one is more likely.

>>220913959
there was a guy who interviewed several therapists with the question: "how many people have you cured?" and they all just laughed. eye opening vid

>>220914646
therapy is hard for schizoids because you automatically refuse connection and intimacy which is how therapists primarily work through
>antidepressants
are a meme, barely better than placebo with very real side effects. Only take them in truly dire situations and only temporarily. They are meant to get your head straight enough for therapy, not to be permanent
>Does therapy even work if your depression is just a natural reaction to your shit life?
Ok but why is your life garbage? Was every aspect of it truly beyond your control? Or was "wasting your youth" partly your fault as you chose to not be adventurous and spontaneous and extroverted?
schizoids are often in denial about their need for human connection, you say you lack the basic need but your whole post and others are griping about not having friends and intimate connections
therapy is just a tool, you can approach it in a schizoid way, use it very practically to guide your life and what you want to accomplish, like having a coach at the gym

>>220913983
No but paying a therapist is a waste of money and time. Just get a Tony Robbins book and gym membership.

>>220914782
>Yes, the first part of your life sucked. Go out there and make sure that the second part of your life doesn't suck too
This would make sense if both parts had the potential to be equally good. But if you live to 80, the first 40 years of your life are supposed to be much better than the last 40. You're younger, you have more energy, and you can have relationships with young, healthy people just like you. If you only start "living" during those last 40 years, I hope you're happy dating single moms in their 40s, because that's mostly what you'll find.

You'll also have trouble connecting with people your own age, because you just started living now, while everyone else has already gone through years of relationships, heartbreaks, promotions, and career growth.

It's like arriving at a party when it's already halfway over. Everyone has already mingled, formed connections, and gotten drunk. Meanwhile, you're completely sober and have no idea who anyone is. And by the time you finally catch up, the whole thing is over.

>>220915166
>was every aspect beyond your control
Bro the entire psych profession exists to gaslight people into thinking things are their fault and not to take action against those responsible.

>>220915166
schizoids don't like human interaction though, right? I don't think i'm a schizoid because I do genuinely enjoy being around people, it's just that almost all my friendships seem to fizzle out and i'm not really anyone's priority

>Ok but why is your life garbage? Was every aspect of it truly beyond your control? Or was "wasting your youth" partly your fault as you chose to not be adventurous and spontaneous and extroverted?
a bit of both, I've always been a bit more on the introverted side but I also got fucked by a lot of aspects that were out of my control, mostly moving cities and covid

>>220915252
Life is hard. People with much harder lives have gone to be successful in all walks of life. Cry harder.

>>220915252
You play the cards you were dealt and make the best of it. Or just keep whining about the shitty cards and see where that gets you

>>220914567
So why don't you?

>>220914583
>I don’t need medical attention therefore medicine is a hoax

>>220913959
Maybe, OP.

How do you feel about that?

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>>220913959
>All the ones I’ve met were time-wasting retards
Because you're expecting for a mom, not a therapist.

>>220915263
>thinking things are their fault
things are "your" fault to the extent that you're the only one who's going to change your life. Your therapist can't change your life for you, only you can. If your dad, mom, boss, wife etc. suck, that's too bad, the only person you actually control is yourself, so if you want change in your life it has to come from you.
>>220915275
I wouldn't worry about labels too much, schizoids are just heavily overrepresented on /tv/ and other online forums. Saying they don't "like" it may be splitting hairs. You might just have a really passive approach which is deadly to have as a man.
>but I also got fucked by a lot of aspects that were out of my control, mostly moving cities and covid
lots of people had that happen to them, but people find friends and wives moving to new cities. I found my wife after covid because I made it happen. You have to make stuff happen as a man. You aren't some pretty woman waiting to be plucked. If you want friends, parties, sex, etc., you have to actively go out there and make that happen, not just sit around.

>>220913959
My therapist wrote a letter to the my Judge that helped get me probation instead of prison. She was a great therapist.

>>220914733
Nono anon. He interprets all attention as anger because that’s the only parental attention he got, they only paid attention when he did something bad/wrong.

>>220915408
why did you diddle those kids anon

>>220915456
I sold drugs.

therapy is a replacement for having a large family filled with people who’ve known you your entire life who you can trust to not tell others things you say.

>>220915469
and? i dont have that

>>220914782
>having an okay day
>my childhood decides I shouldn’t be, kicks in the door to my consciousness and reminds me of something that embarrassed me when I was a child

yep, it’s just me “dwelling.”

>>220914674
You pay a personal trainer to get a meal and workout plan and stay on your ass to stick with it.

>>220915513
Practice on focusing your thoughts. When was the last time you read a book? Do you have issues with addiction?

>>220913959
mine has been great

>>220914794
>you have a 3rd degree burn? Just break your arm and you’ll stop worrying about it

>>220915469
My family consists of soulless money grubbers and vapid whores.

>>220915513
Everyone goes through that but they just plow through it by simply not being a little bitch

>>220915108
It’s a joke question because all a therapist can do is help others to help themselves. It’s not a “lay on hands” profession.

>>220915108
To be fair: "how many people have you cured?"
Is simultaneously a seemingly straightforward and also grossly misleading question to ask a therapist. You're interpreting the former. To appropriate Wittgenstein, you're inventing a conundrum by incorrectly phrasing the question.

Doing "the work" of therapy is usually meant to be driven by the patient. If your therapist is telling you what to do instead of attempting to help provide you with a psychological and interpersonal "toolset" that you gradually develop the use of together, and subsequently meet back up to discuss the efficacy of, and instead you just want them to interpret your shit for you, you're probably dealing with an underqualified therapist if they go along with that at all. You can be cynical all you want, but the idea of "curing" someone in therapy just ain't how it works any more than the idea that you "cure" human emotions or a personality. You can develop methods to handle and adjust responses, and behavioral tendencies. You can have a conversation and try to frame situations so you feel as though they're better understood, and can be better addressed as a consequence. It's not a math problem. The human factor means you are necessarily and innately dealing with blurred lines and hazy borders.

t. seeing someone to work on social anxiety/social avoidance on top of mild substance abuse.

tl;dr The question is not how many people has a therapist "cured"--it's how many people they have helped.

>>220915643
Or this.

>>220915623
>what about this?
>everyone has that
I only have that.

>>220915726
Edit out the — next time you want to use an ai response. Deadest giveaway.

>>220915108
only the clients can make that determination, not the therapist

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>>220914682
yes

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>>220914646
90% of your problems right here, expectations.

>>220914814
yes retard
you have a future you can hit other milestones or just do something else
dwelling over the past is retarded, you can't change it
keep in mind that if you are in your 30s you likely have more than 1/2 of your life left and this is ignoring the fact that you probably forgot almost everything that happened to you before you were 10
if you are in your 20s it's even more retarded to dwell on that shit

>>220914646
You sound kind of boring desu. Self-pitying. If this is the case, realize that everyone else has problems too and they're not obligated to listen to yours. Also, get some hobbies or,pursuits in addition to the gym. Good luck dude

>>220914782
Western civilization is going to collapse in like 100 years, maximum. No point trying now lol.

>>220915801
>I expected my country to not outsource all labor, not import browns, and not start arresting citizens for thought crimes, tv ruined my life

bbc propaganda anon. Corrupt governments always want (you) thinking everything is (you) fault.

>>220913959
My therapist was pretty mid, still, she was able to fix my depression. Good therapist are probably not necessary for most cases.
Perhaps you should look into yourself, anon, maybe you were not approaching your therapists with an open mindset?

>>220915765
>everything I don't like is A.I.
Happy pride month, you maladjusted faggot.

>>220914603
It's a "service" (I put in quotes because it's bullshit), not a kindness
You're paying them

>>220915870
This. Live, laugh, love.

>>220915886
This lil nigga prolly got cope, seethe, dial 8 on his wall

>>220915876
There’s no point in lying on the internet, no one is going to believe you.

>>220916023
Nta but i have never had ai do a double dash like that. It's always solid.

>>220914646
i think you should just kill yourself and stop wasting resources.

>>220915815
A person’s past defines how they’ll respond to anything. To try to “stop dwelling” (no one actually does) would mean deciding that everything about how you respond to everything is wrong and to actively do something that is against their “nature” to do. 12 step programs are meant to speedrun thus process to “solve” “addiction.”

>>220915765
that wasn't a em dash

>>220916116
iOS apparently turns two -s into a —

All therapists should be imprisoned. It's easier for a community to recover from a nuclear explosion than therapists.

>>220915859
You won't live that long so might as well enjoy your life, lmao

>>220916154
This, bit also the jobless/welfare recpients need to get the axe first.

>>220915859
>already 40
Not my problem

>>220913959
No, anyone who shills you therapy hates you

>>220916234
I just hate hearing you complain all the time while never trying to come up with solutions while i am dealing with my own problems.

>>220914386
No licensed therapist is going to claim to be able to cure your vicious, relentless faggotry, you turbo faggot.

I'm a drug counselor at a rehab and my job consists of half listening to junkies blame their crippling addictions on everything under the sun but themselves and then saying "That's cool and all but have you considered that maybe it is at least partially your fault?" and banging single mother recovering junkies who drop panties quickly for any male authority figure who they think can help keep them out of jail(I can) or get them their kids back(I can't).

>>220914782
>Go out there and make sure that the second part of your life doesn't suck too
Most anons won't ever learn this lesson. They'll die miserable retards.

>>220915296
>>220915309
I don't think you understood my point. If you're 16 and depressed, sure, I agree with you. Even if you've had some childhood trauma, try hard to improve and enjoy your life as much as possible. My point is: does the same thing still apply when you're pushing 50? The road to personal betterment is a long and difficult one. By the time you achieve the results you want, won't you just be at death's door? Is it worth it? I'm not even saying it ISN'T, I'm merely pondering the question.

>>220916481
>My point is: does the same thing still apply when you're pushing 50?
Yes it fucking does. Go to thailand and see the army of western boomers there who got divorce-raped in their 40s and 50s and lost everything. Instead of sulking about it like little bitches or commiting suicide they decided to retire early and comfymaxx with an endless stream of pussy until they expire. From afar it might look like a depressing existence, but they played the cards they were dealt the best way they could and they're 10 times happier than they would have been if they were quitters like you

>>220916481
At this point 50 is only slightly more than half of your lifespan. So yes, if you want to improve your life.

>>220916574
Even if you have a terminal diagnosis of 1 year to live, which any one of us could get at any point, yes it's "worth" trying to get over being depressed for the remainder of your life. Like what the fuck kind of question even is that. The guy who is questioning it thinks he's been deep and shit when in fact he's just being a doomer moron saying things that don't even make sense. Can there come a situation when it makes sense to go into a suicide pod? Sure, I don't rule anything out, but just claiming you have to be miserable is very low effort doomerism.

>>220913959
OP...it's not your fault

>>220915623
>>220915296
That's basically what my therapist told me, and it helped about as much coming from him as it does from you. Okay, everyone has those feelings. How does that help me? Where did they find the strength to push through?

It's like there's a big hole in the road and someone tells you, "Oh, there's a hole in everyone's road!" Great, what did they do to keep driving down that same road? That would be helpful information, not just telling me everyone went through the same thing.

I think the idea is to make people feel less alone, but it just makes me feel like a retard. "Wow, everyone has those feelings and they managed just fine. You must be a real pathetic loser!"

>>220917029
just fucking kys or shut up. no one wants to hear your crying ass bitching

>>220917029
But most people just fill in the hole, despite the cost and inconvenience, instead of crying about it.

>>220916734
Probably OP, who knew what he was doing when creating this thread

>>220913959
>therapist: tell me, in detail, about your homosexual experiences
>me: I've never had one
>therapist: *sighs* anon, the only way this will work is if you're open and honest
>me: yeah, but I literally never had any type of experience like that. I'm only attracted to girls and have only had heterosexual sex. you want me to talk about that?
>therapist: *rolls eyes* you've never watched gay porn with one of your friends and had sex with with them afterwards?

>>220916208
Exactly, what's the point waging and self improving for everything to fail and collapse anyway? Instead, video games.

>>220917059
lmao, why are you acting like I invaded your house and I'm forcing you to listen to me? I think you do want to hear me crying, otherwise why are you even in this thread still? Over 100 active threads right now and you're choosing to stay here and read my posts. Not only that, you're taking even more time replying to it. You're such a tsundere, anon.

>>220917062
>But most people just fill in the hole
How?

You guys think playing D&D and card games can get me friends? It’s kinda the only thing I can think of, none of my coworkers really like me and I’m not going to school

>>220917381
Ganna want to start by leaving your room

>>220915870
>Perhaps you should look into yourself, anon, maybe you were not approaching your therapists with an open mindset?
This is exactly my problem with therapists. Perhaps they should be equipped to recognize and explore your closed mindset and guide you out of it instead of forcing the same rigid bullshit every week and expecting progress

Reminder that it's a consensus in psychology that your personality is locked in by 7 years old. If you had a fucked up household, divorce, yelling, abuse etc. it's literally over and you'll never get over it. No amount of therapy will ever help you.

4chin niggas be talkin to themselves n shiiieeet mane

>>220917420
Again, it's the exact same advice my therapist gave me. I guess this answers OP's question, therapists are time-wasting retards. They take your money just to give you the same advice some random person on 4Chan does.

>>220913959
Beware of Freudian therapists, usually women. They will tell you that all of your problems were caused by your parents and siblings and nothing is your fault. My brother hates me and our parents and says he was abused (he wasn’t) because he talks to a female therapist every week. Then he smokes weed and eats mushrooms and drinks faggot cider all day while wallowing about the evil bitch he married and his spoiled sons walking all over him. In fact just keep an emotional distance from women.

>>220913959
psychotherapy is a jewish invention, it's basically telling you that the problem is you if you can't live up to the extreme high standards jews, so in order to become normal again you have to pay for a friend simulator essentially , or even worse hop on the jew pills to keep you sedated ensuring you you cant live without them.

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How do you avoid this?

>>220914545
I read somewhere the hour thing is just tv bs, it's like 15 mins

>>220913959
No. All therapists are jews or judaized goyim that should be fed into a woodchipper.

>>220917419
Probably. Friday Night Magic is low pressure

>>220914646
If you lack the need then why would you even care?

>>220914900
therapists have no cure for "profound personality disorders."

>>220913959
So rare they might as well not be. Most of the time they just affirm women's moronic delusions while saying they were always right to cheat on their husband because he wasn't making her feel "seen".

It's 2026, if you still believe therapists are not a jewish scam ,then you're indeed crazy.

>>220915370
>people accidentally break their legs therefore I need SSRIs for the rest of my life

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>>220913959
Thanks for "curing" me, Dr.Stein. Here's the shekels I owe you.

>>220917978
He wasn’t talking about “therapy,” he was talking about all medicine. As in the practice of medicine.

>>220916067
Oh, so he did edit out the dead giveaway —.

>>220918303
>needing ai to post a one sentence response
Youre beyond retarded

What annoys me most about the "I don't have any friends" guys is that you ask them how they're trying to fix that and they just stare at you dumbfounded. The internet is a super resource for making friends both online and IRL. Stop making excuses. Seriously, put yourself out there.

This place has given me better therapy than an actual therapist ever could.

>>220913959
Why would you ever think someone you could afford to pay to listen to you has anything worthwhile to say?

>>220918581
I'm glad we helped you improve your life and to find healthy relationships and coping mechanisms.

>>220913959
>Do good therapists really exist?
If they do they're not very good at their job, just good at being a good person

>>220913959
Therapy only works if youre a
>woman
>retarded man who thinks theyre smart
>highly effeminate man

>>220918383
… >>220915726
I’m also >>220915643

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>>220917381
>>But most people just fill in the hole
>How?

>>220913959
I think it'd be very interesting to be a therapist but I think they're a complete waste of time.

>>220914973
Don't get to Japan. If you're miserable at home, you'll be miserable there and an ignorant American.

>>220918456
I know I would likely get crucified for this take by many people, so much that I almost don't feel like saying it, but - I think the answer is right in front of you. tv and movies, done right and understood properly and in context by the viewer of what is and isn't realistic, are actually an incredible resource for being good with people - I'm serious. Especially - this is the real kicker for the pseuds - popular stuff that everyone likes. I mean think about it - the people on the screen are doing things people enjoy watching, they're being funny, they're being interesting, the really successful ones are plain likeable for some reason. They're the inverse of autists, generally speaking. The only danger is to get stuck in the mode of "watching" rather than taking part, so do both. Active watching, thinking about being like that yourself, and putting it into practice.

Life is like a game of poker. Everyone gets dealt a hand, you can get a shitty hand, you can get a good hand. Your life is the sum of the choices you make afterwards, sometimes you fold, sometimes you check, sometimes you raise. And how well you do that depends on the hand you got at birth.

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Nobody needs therapy. All you need is take a generic multivitamin, lift at least 3x a week, jog or walk an hour everyday, and go on occasional drug binges (avoid psychs, typically alcohol)

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>>220918456
They stare at you dumbfounded because you can't even conceive that there is an obstruction to that which they must first fix. You have no understanding, no theory of mind, are asking why they can't just be normal and judging them for not simply implementing your obvious solution.

>>220919340
I have known people who grew up poor in violent environments but were smart and hard working enough to become successful.
If you have educated parents and are brought up in a solid environment and are well read or get a good education you will absolutely have a solid foundation of knowledge not possesed by most and a huge advantage. But it's possible to catch up if you try hard enough.

>>220919396
>"I have a problem."
>"What are you doing to fix your proble"
>"You have no understanding, no theory of mind, are asking why I can't just be normal and judging me for not simply implementing your obvious solution."

>>220919459
They have more than one problem, you illiterate retard. And they obstruct each other.

Often enough part of the problem is having the problem. It's bad enough struggling with it without having others try to help in ways that make it worse and them getting indignant when you tell them they're not helping.

>>220914545
I've got a schizoid personality too I think therapy just isn't effective for people like us. I've cycled in and out of therapy several times since my youth, anything that involves talking with someone is not gonna work to make me feel better.

>>220918456
I don't want friends, I'm effectively dead to be honest just lingering. I like to watch the collapse of society at large but really I'm just too big of a pussy to take my own life.

>>220919568
Yes schizoid is inherently difficult for therapy but not impossible. You have to actually find someone decent rather than just going with whatever your parents found you or your insurance provides. Someone good out of pocket.
As to your approach though, you have to be actually trying to accomplish something specific. Viewing it as mere talking with someone is not sufficient. You need a goal in therapy. Schizoids tend to not have clear goals and ambitions and to be passive so that's also a struggle for you potentially.
You can have big picture goals, like "get a girlfriend", but you have to be prepared for that to have to be broken down into smaller goals, and for you to have to actively define those smaller goals. Your therapist is not in charge of you and can't force you to do anything. You have all the control in the relationship, especially for an out of pocket therapist. You can view the therapist like a mechanic that's tuning up your car, but you're the one that has to drive the car and decide where it's going.

>>220917656
>Perhaps they should be equipped to recognize and explore your closed mindset
NTA but they should be unless they're shitty, I purposely hid shit from my therapist sometimes cause of shame and he still realized that I wasn't telling him the whole story about a certain subject and sometimes started outright questioning me about that subject or leading me into it.

>>220913959
ask yourself if anyone ever mentioned to you 'therapy cured me' compared to 'i went to therapy/am going to therapy'

>>220913959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k6JxfX8asc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTLcbg8zsf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOK22sQ_PTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb_g9eMzOMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzUkLB9vJnU
<3

>>220919822
Why would you not tell your therapist shameful things, even if they're shitty? I get not telling them you're suicidal or homicidal to avoid a 5150, but they are bound by confidentiality laws. Plus nobody cares.

>>220919891
If they already fixed their problem they generally have no reason to tell you about it unless its relevant to you. You idiot.

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I hope so. I've been going through a bout of existential dread recently, haven't been able to keep thoughts of dying and that everyone I love (including my son) will one day die and we may never be able to see each other again for the rest of eternity.
It's pretty negatively effecting my mental state and I have trouble stopping the thoughts, because whenever something is bothering me in life I overthink it to the point of not being able to sleep due to my mind racing, until I feel like I've come to some kind of solution that satisfies me enough to not have to think about it anymore.
This one, of course, is an unsolvable problem. So it's fucking my shit up pretty bad. I've never sought therapy out before but this is something that is genuinely making me consider it. It's getting to that point.

>>220919951
you could say that exact wording for someone saying they went to therapy too, I'm not convinced anon. You can do better than that. Come on boy, jump for the treat!!! Up up up!

>>220920014
People talk about their present more than their past. This was implicit. Any further questions you may have are left as an exercise for the reader.

>>220919932
Shame is a strong emotion specially if it's tied to whatever trauma you're suffering from which was my case plus a difficulty in trusting people or feeling exposed in front of them, even though I knew talking about those things was beneficial I still couldn't bring myself to talk about them many times subconsciously and sometimes like I said on purpose.
Eventually as the therapy advanced I was able to talk openly about that stuff though.

>>220914646
>pretty much 0 friends, never had a gf, virgin
>don't really go anywhere or do anything besides work, the gym, and home

Who made your "shit life," though? Who makes all the decisions that make it so you have no social life?

SPOILER ALERT, it's not "The Jews."

>>220919891
>>220920014
people who succeed at it want to put it behind them
people who don't get bitter about it not working and want to shittalk it

>>220920088
It's the jews, therapists, women, globalists, hollywood and cucks like you.

>>220920088
it's a long slow slide down
you dont see the end of it coming
the end is a trap that is hard to escape from
try thinking a little next time

>>220920088
It simply is not possible to be on 4chan and not understand that many people can't integrate into normie social dynamics. So why are you being intentionally dense?

>>220919706
kill yourself asshole

Kek xhe mad

>>220913959
I haven't met a good one yet

>>220920152
Ah, yes, you've figured me out! OP being an introverted sadsack isn't because he doesn't go to bars or cafes or join clubs. It's all part of my EVIL PLAN!

>>220920160
Is that supposed to be a poem? Pretty gay, NGL.

>>220920185
4chan has a broad mix of people, not everyone here is a super shut in. But if that anon feels so bad about being a shut in, he should just put himself out there.

I'm a shut in, too, I got over my "tfw no gf" hangup when I realized I didn't want to be in a romantic relationship, especially when I've seen and heard so many horror stories about relationship drama and all the nonsense that comes with it. I have very little desire to be social, so I don't feel bad about not being social. Anon's case is different, and it's his fault for doing nothing but whine about it.

>>220917381
By ignoring the hole is there and just magically riding across it of course

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>>220919909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6XlRn8-CsY
<3

>>220920511
I did read your comment. It was dumb, and I said as such.

>>220920542
You didn't understand it enough to be able to call it dumb. Thus you need to read it again. Better this time.

In Boston there has been talk about putting a statue of Robin Williams on the bench where they filmed that scene.

>>220920568
Which one of them was it? You're not talking about that cringe "poem," are you?

All of them can be debunked by the same answer: Anon isn't trying hard enough to change his life for the better. He desires these things, but he isn't willing to take the risks or necessary changes. He's Blue Shirt Picard.

>>220920457
>It's all part of my EVIL PLAN!
You're too stupid to plan anything or put together a coherent thought about anything and le bars are full of brainwashed retards like you that make it a more miserable experience than being alone.

>>220920618
You posted
>Who made your "shit life," though? Who makes all the decisions that make it so you have no social life?
and were told in multiple ways how that was a profoundly stupid thing to say. Rather than accept that, you try to just pull back to restating your actual point in a less profoundly stupid way. Keyword "less" because it is still undone by what you were already told.

>>220913983
almost entirely yes
people do not change
if you were going to change you would have done so by now

>>220921202
People change constantly althoughbeit

>>220920733
>>220920824
You're just made because you refuse to believe in accountability. That other anon can and should change his life for the better... but he doesn't. And that's his fault.

Blaming boogeymen won't help you.

>>220919706
>You have to actually find someone decent rather than just going with whatever your parents found you or your insurance provides.

Yeah that makes sense, I've only ever had crappy insurance that hardly any therapists accept, much less good ones. I don't make much and idk if the expense is worth it to try going out of pocket though. I fear it would end up more of the same

>>220921427
Read.

>>220915779
This image was insanely cringe all those years ago and it's even more cringe now

>>220921427
Now you're falling back on a strawman. Take the L.

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>>220913959
>Do good therapists really exist?
For women, yeah.

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>>220913983
It's only a waste if you're doing it for others and not yourself.

>>220914603
If the person helping me isn't openly annoyed or pissed off that they have to help me then I don't trust their reasons for helping me.

Reminder that Dr. Katz is on WCO and it's kino

>>220914747
>"human interaction substitute". It's a paid friend, a paid "family pov", a paid "wife/husband pov" all at once.
*emotions whore

>>220913959
i dont get the appeal of this movie, this film is so boring as shit

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>>220922062
>women
what's that?

>>220922134
I kind of respect the sort of person who needs to be treated like a horse being waterboarded just to take a proverbial sip of water.

(That having been said, I would consider journaling, if therapy isn't your thing and you aren't just shitposting.)

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Almost half a decade of therapy didn't help me as much as coming across this text:

>In a ridiculously human dichotomy, the risk of embarrassment goes hand in hand with just about anything that makes life worth living.

>All of the best things in life require a degree of embarrassment, or at least the possibility of it. Dancing, singing, sharing art, cooking food, having sex, holding hands; there is risk in it all. You could burn dinner or sing off key; no act of self expression or love is exempt from this danger. Embarrassment is scary because rejection is scary, failing is scary, judgment is scary and we have learned to equate all of these experiences to something bad. Because of this, we all too often find ourselves trapping ourselves in comfort zones and missing out on experiences that could greatly enrich our lives, all because we’re afraid of feeling embarrassed.

>The only way to live a life without embarrassment is to never take risks, to always have your guard up and play your cards close to your chest. That is a bleak existence, like living near a river that you never swim in.

>Embarrassment should be fun. Doing karaoke and falling in love is fun, and none of those things come free from embarrassment. And if embarrassment is what it costs to live a full, earnest, and beautiful life, then so be it.

After reading this, I finally started talking more to people. I don't care if they think I'm dumb or cringe, if that happens, I'll find someone else to speak to. What I got from this, is that I was too focused on the final result and afraid of all the failures that I would suffer trying to achieve it. But you need to embrace the whole process, getting trough the shitty parts of life is the only way of reaching the good parts. I'm not sure if this will help anyone else here, but for me, that was my biggest block, and I don't think I even realized that before reading this. Embrace being cringe anons. You'll be much happier being cringe, than cool and stoic.

>>220917381
Most people don’t actually fix the hole so their advice sucks. They just ignore it and keep moving on while pretending everything is fine. Emotional stability is as much a bell curve as intelligence is. I’d even argue that there’s different versions of stability depending on what helps you live in your current environment. How stable do you think average to below average people are Anon? The replies you’ve gotten are proof of that. The question you’re asking is also incredibly vast. The answer at its most basic to it is in how you live and perceive the world. My best advice with “fixing the hole” is really just gaining knowledge and experience. Reading philosophy and history, thinking on these subjects, and discovering yourself through self reflection as well as interaction with your fellow man. Steadily you begin to understand what fits YOU and act accordingly. I promise you Anon also, a pleasant conversation with an actually intelligent person cures many ills. The greatest difficulty of course is finding that person or persons. Good luck.

>>220922327
Deeply based. This Anon really gets it. All the good to sublime involves some level of risk.

>>220914794
>depressed? just make yourself even more depressed lmao
Least unhinged Tate simp

>>220922320
I'm half shitposting, generally I do not put myself in situations where I need help and if I do, it's usually someplace where someone I already trust is available.

>>220914895
>or at least reciprocate
>foid walks up and starts trying to chat me up
>I remind her that the gym has cameras everywhere and tell her I'm unable to assist her if she needs something and that she can get help from a staff member
It's tough out there for us incelchads

>>220922327
The real problem is having an anxiety disorder. People are averse to embarrassment not just for the moment itself but for reflecting on it later. That reflection serves a purpose (learning from the mistake) but it gets cranked up to 11 for some people. And it doesn't diminish from repeat exposure like normal.

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>>220913959
Yes. Honestly. I think we're making progress here. I think we're doing good work.

>>220913959
It's more about the person going to the therapist than the therapist.
I have no doubt there are people who have been helped by a therapist, but they do nothing for me.

>>220914545
i'm an extreme schizoid. i'm 35 and have become more stubborn and set in my ways of hatred of socializing with humans.
do you guys ever use AI to discuss your personal matter? because i never do. even talking to a computer, i feel icky discussing my inner thoughts and situation.
and i never drink alcohol, coffee, soda etc, so i'm raw dogging this everyday.

>>220923263
Just be yourself anon and you can be happy too

>>220913959
Probably because you weren't worth their time.

>>220922327
this is really the only answer that makes sense to me, you're embarrassing yourself no matter what you do, so do what you enjoy. the issue for me is that i cant always will myself to do these things for whatever reason. some years i can, some years i cant, its really frustrating desu.

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I'm not totally opposed to therapy as a concept but it is very attractive to self-involved faggots.

Paying someone to listen to me talk about my problems sounds like the most kiked shit ever. Isn't that what friends and family and social media is for? What is a therapist going to tell me that I haven't already thought of myself or read online?

The only people I see push therapy are neon haired women.

>>220924233
Who hurt you?

>>220924233
Anon, this isn't healthy. You need to talk to someone. But don't be scared of your own faults. You need to work on them.

>>220924343
Women that said they loved me and acted like they liked me.

The rapists never work, it hurts.

>>220924374
Stop blaming others for your problems. That's a good first step.

>>220924410
They do work because they got pussy, which is what no one else did.

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>>220923190
Hey dad, I know you explained it earlier but I'm still having trouble with the finer points of the birds and bees.

>>220915408
>>220915467
I don't like saying this often but brown hands typed these posts

>>220915594
Yeah, just like therapists. Only it's not always a 1:1 conversion like in your case.

>>220915870
>she was able to fix my depression
I thought therapists weren't allowed to sleep with their clients.

>>220913959
A lot of people are "crazy" because they lie to themselves. Lying and denial is a common trauma response and maning up and telling the truth is always the first step to the right direction.

>>220924674
Ridiculously misogynistic post, holy shit.

>>220916574
Men die between 50 and 80.

>do good scammers really exist?

I have an idea of a therapist that actually works.

You meet the therapist, he has an extensive gym and talks you through your problems while spotting you and instructing you on proper form. As you open up, if it's a people/loneliness problem you have, he tells you that he has an extensive friend group of like-minded individuals and would like to introduce you to them, and does so!

>>220917145
This is literally what the monster girl chatbot does when I say I'm not into her

>>220925188
>chad should invite me to lift and drink with his cool friends

>>220913959
Therapists aren't good or bad. They are just a tool that you can choose to use or not use. However you use the tool can be good or bad, but the tool itself is neutral

>>220913959
>Oh trust me I'll fix you, now tell me all your vulnerable little secrets
>Called "psycho the rapist"
What did they mean by this ?

Yeah, mine finally convinced me I need to get out of my head and into the present moment, which is what I needed to believe I could handle my life circumstances.

Men need to go to male therapists, and a good therapist is not a hugbox.

>>220919568
Schizoid PD is egosyntonic (possibly the most of all "PD"s) and to be fair from many points of view is just a pathologisation of "non-standard" but functional social outlooks. Most Schizoids never cause a single problem in their life, and are perfectly happy with their own existence, so it is unlikely to work. I suppose you could compare that to NPD which is also generally fairly egosyntonic but usually causes a lot of problems but ironically leads to "success" (at least the veneer) in "normal social life" but also are "immune" to help because they rarely realise they have a problem.

I do think it's interesting to note this, as I'd argue SzPD even being considered a problem is partially due to the "overton window" being shifted towards Narcissism (roughly the diametric opposition on the "PD Cube")

>>220914727
>That'll be 100 dollars plus tip
Lel

>>220914900
I don't think you can really "cure" PDs other than maybe a avoidant and dependant (and using a therapist for that one is sort of just feeding it)

>>220915275
Supposedly SzPD secretly do crave human interaction sooooo baaad trust me bro, but I do think there a plenty that just genuinely don't

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>>220913959
therapy is a jew scam made for americans.
>nobody in the entire world outside of america has ever went to a therapist
based non-americans.

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>>220914646
The first important part to understand is that there is no magic pill, no magic solution that'll fix all your problems and make you "normal".
You're still going to be you.
I've been/am in a similar situation and my best advice to (you) is to get yourself a hobby and actually commit to it. For me it's running (as I seriously need to consider my health).
Joined the local run-club and get a bit of socializing out of it on top of some exercise.
>it's difficult getting outside
I know.

I still dwell on the past and it still makes me sad and angry, but it's important to remember you can't do shit about it now.
Focus on the present and the future.

>>220924233
Give me 1000 dollars

>>220914646
Yeah, I have a similar background but I'm basically happy now and am working towards addressing these issues.

I recommend the book The Courage to Be Disliked.

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>>220913983
I don't think your time is worth of anything anyway so wasting it seems impossible. But paying for shrink is definitely waste of money. My companies medical insurance pays 6 visits to shrink per year and I take every "free" shit I get. Hooray for socialism. But he is nice guy and have shit ton of nice sounding expressions which I like. 9/10 what he says is obvious shit but it definitely helps hearing it from someone else than your parents or friends.

>>220919380
Ackchually, the first time I truly got depressed, which was suicidal tier, I was resting in between squats at the gym. The trigger was that a cute girl had smiled at me, and I flinched and looked away (I had never had that happen to me).

However, now I know that striking up conversations with strangers with no shared context is just weird in my culture.

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>>220913983
I keep trying find solutions to my mental problems searching answers from Reddit and it makes me more insane than ever.

They're woke rent-a-friends who laugh their way to the bank while privately making fun of you to their friends and families. "This mediocre MAN *rolls eyes* keeps weeping about how he feels down trodden in today's society while paying me $150/hour, and I've told him he has to keep coming to me indefinitely to improove, lmao."

anyone here take Wellbutrin/bupropion? how is it?

>>220913959
The actually good one's are pretty rare but when you can find one of those and can afford to pay their high rate, then yeah they can seriously improve your life. They basically force you to question your thoughts and beliefs so you can hopefully arrive at a "oh yeah that makes sense" moment, and stop doing whatever self destructive behavior you were engaging in. Not everyone is willing or wants to just sit down for an hour and observe the contents of their mind, their thoughts, feelings, beliefs, emotions, etc.

If you are unwilling to talk to a therapist then you should at the very least make an effort to start a meditation practice where you begin to go inward (observing your mind) instead of looking for solutions to your problems outward, as you are the source of your own problems. You created them yourself because of how you think, and thus behave. Meditating is how you survive the current times, and excel in them.

>>220925165
Some die at 0

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>>220926586
Less harmful and way less addictive than any other SSRI poison since doctors won't describe it on first appointment. 50% of any drugs is placebo so if you just keep believing they might help you and find medicine with least side effects then pills actually might make you happier.

>>220926586
In my experience it buit tolerance like any drug, but was better than any ssri. It made me a bit anxious when i upped my dose.

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>>220926586
Had best results with stabilizing my mania/depression with Trintellix/Brintellix and just found out my mom and sisters have also found it to be best for their manic depressive disorder with zero sexual side effects. Don't bother asking me how do I know that.

>>220913983
The best help I've gotten was from psychology and therapy books I read myself. I can see what the actual theory is, ignore anything that doesn't apply or I don't agree with, and have a complete picture of what's wrong.

>>220926586
I take 150mg, it improves executive function - i.e. gives slightly more motivation to start doing things you'd ordinarily procrastinate. But that's about it. Make sure you take it after a meal because it can give you jitters if you take it on a completely empty stomach or with lots of caffeine. It will also make you slightly hornier for some reason.

I take it alongside duloxetine/cymbalta 60mg which helped my anxiety and nerve pain in the neck, but it lowered my libido and makes me sweat at night.

>>220913959
Maybe 1 in 10 is worth a try

>>220914545
it works for literal npcs and that's it

Can i take welbutrin off and on it does it need to build up? I swear i get this "honeymoon phase" for a few weeks before it drops off.

>>220915726
>Doing "the work" of therapy is usually meant to be driven by the patient.
Then what do I need the therapist for? No, seriously, what does a therapist actually do if he doesn't give you advice on what to do and doesn't "interpret my shit for you"?
>provide you with a psychological and interpersonal "toolset" that you gradually develop the use of together
What the hell does that mean? Sounds like some completely meaningless corpospeak.
Note how you don't need a wall of cope like this for actual doctors because it's obvious what they're doing and it's obvious that they're helping people, medical malpractice aside. Only psychologists need to go through all these mental gymnastics about how they're totally helping people, you just can't measure or verify it in any way. The most mentally ill, terminally online people are often the biggest proponents of therapy, spending years and thousands of dollars on it and ending up just as mentally ill and broken as they started.
It's crazy how the entire western world has somehow been psyopped into believing that asking "How does that make you feel?" does anything at all, let alone give you some crazy insight that is worth 200$ per session. Speech therapy has to be one the biggest scams of modernity, putting medieval with doctors to shame.

>>220913959
>go to someone called the rapist
>expect to get better

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>>220927757
This might sound strange, but go to Alcoholics Anonymous or a 12 step group. The steps, like any therapy bullshit, is just a framework for changing behaviors. Its cheap entertainment at worst, free coffee and a chat maybe.

yes but only if you have a specific issue that can be fixed and which you want to have fixed
they're fucking useless if you're just feeling a bit down in the dumps

>>220913959

It's useless if you're not gonna do any work on yourself you faggot.

>>220922327
you almost assuredly had come across similar sentiments before, you were just finally ready to listen to the message
people here will read this text and change not at all for it, because they aren't ready to take action

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>>220914646
Just fuck escorts bro
>noooo it's fake if you pay for it!
1. Everybody pays for it
2. Your body doesn't know the difference.

>>220917845
Retard

>>220919618
>Heh I’m just watching society collapse!
>as everyone around you continues to just live their lives
Children will be born and raised around you. Great and lesser works conceived, created, and forgotten in your time. Near and far places in the world will exist and develop. Yet you will be part of none of it because you’re obsessed only with failure. What a faggot.

>>220913959
Why have you met therapists?

the purpose of therapy is to enforce The Norms of society. Consume. Obey.
also, to keep you as a paypig. youre a customer.

Therapy is a scam designed to keep you a customer to the medical-industrial complex. Get a dog, find Jesus, etc, do literally anything that doesn't involve giving a therapist your money.

>>220913959
Idk but he wasn't a regular therapist to him in the movie. Most young men could easily be fixed by a smart old guy that really cared about them and put in effort to help them

>>220913983
yes, you are either born a chad or you're not, trying to change your fate angers God

Geeezus Kkkkrist
>>220929730

>>220930146
some chads are handicapped though and have to break free, you dont know unless you try

>>220915815
It's impossible to experience certain things later in life, milestones exist for a reason. My grandmother tried to learn to read when she was 22 years old. Her boss was a teacher and put her on a special course for adults. Even so, my grandmother died without knowing how to draw her own name. She was born illiterate and died illiterate.
And all because her learning window had already closed.
Based on this empirical experience, I affirm that nothing complex is learned after the age of 18. Music, singing, drawing, painting, programming, other languages and so on.

There is no fixing social issues in adulthood.
You can try to act like something you're not (most can't pull it off anyway), but it will never feel real and natural. You can never feel relaxed and confident in social situations if you didn't have the right influences and lifestyle while your brain/personality was developing.

>>220930332
>>220930358
I fixed myself in adulthood. I'm still "me", just hyper functional when I want to be, in a way that I'm fine with (i.e. I don't feel fake).

>>220927245
this mindset is what holds you back. you're retarded if you think you're somehow different than every other human.

you can be completely cognizant and aware of your own emotions and still get benefit from discussing with a therapist. The point isn't your emotions, it's how your brain processes it subconsciously.

>be me
>have marital problems
>wife is big mad I don't spend enough time with her due to my 12h shifts
>only work 4 days though and spend those 4 days with her
>go to therapy
>wife trauma dumps every little thing I've done wrong in our entire time together. >Even petty shit like our stupid high-school fumbling romance arguments i thought we're long dead and buried.
>have to sit there and listen to about 50 mins of her crying, sobbing and painting me up to be a massive asshat.
>the therapist talks for about 8 mins after her. Completely validating my wife for everything she's feeling and making it pretty obvious she thinks I am the one at fault for my wifes breakdown.
>I'm allowed about 2 mins to respond.
>too stunned and pissed to coherently respond.
>had to pay for it.
>went back for 2 more sessions.
It's a crock of shit. Still got divorced.
One of the highlight of the sessions was being told to quit my job and just like "vibe" with my wife like when we were kids. Never mind car payments, never mind house payments, never mind medical or dental, never mind any of that. The other highlight was when my wife confessed her affair and it was framed to be my fault.

>>220913959
(((therapists))) are for NPC goyim cattle that are too stupid to challenge their own thought patterns, and hold a mirror up to themselves. the moment you have the self-honesty to objectively take a look at who/what you are and make lifestyle changes accordingly, therapists become useless.

>>220914895
>Go chat someone up
that's not how it works

>>220913959
Therapists are useless. A life coach can be of value, but are you really going to pay someone by the hour to essentially be your friend? That's kind of cucked and itself would lower my self-esteem that I had to resort to something like that.

>>220913959
AI is a better therapist than any human.

>>220913959
smoke weed retard

>>220923263
You talk to us though

>>220914674
Yes, if you can't discipline yourself toward it or don't have time to organize it yourself. Time is money, so dependent on how much money you make it's literally cheaper to hire people to do shit for you. Just adult things, y'know?

If most of the west is fat and mentally ill, then obviously self-discipline is the preeminent crisis of modern man. Dummy.

>>220930943
Ai therapy is for brown sycophants who want their dick sucked. Challenge yourself .

>>220930573
was it her therapist or a couples counselor? did you let her pick the therapist?

>>220930573
Pro-tip: when a women takes you counseling you should start moving assets and filing for divorce in the background. She is setting up alibi to say she tried to save the relationship, which gives her more favor in court. Im sorry about your divorce rape.

>>220931411
Couples counselor and she picked her. In retrospect it was her just trying to use a third party to justify and validate her cheating.
Luckily the dumb bitch was so spiteful about our divorce she opted to take nothing from me (besides the house which I had to buy her out of, our 2nd car, and some other shit.) because her new guy was richer, younger and hotter. She really liked rubbing that into my face alot during the whole process. I pretty much gave her whatever she wanted to speed up the process because I knew her new soon to be husband was going to bail once her pussy lost its luster. Which is exactly what happened, now she's single and living in an apartment.

>>220930943
>I programmed the robot to suck me off and it did!

>>220931590
NTA but I can't be more in favour of "witch" burning making a comeback

>She got what she deserved anyways
Not quickly or guaranteed enough.

Like goddamn these fucking things are parasites not human beings.

>>220931590
lots of women are psyopped nowadays into thinking they cant live a happy life with their high school husband, that they need to "find themselves"
they even tried to psyop my wife into thinking i need to "spread my seed" more before settling down making her insecure or else I wouldnt be happy and would inevitably cheat

Therapy done by speech is proven to be largely useless to men.
The best therapy for men is to do something physical outside. Activity that creates something, such as chopping firewood or building an outhouse or something like that.
Even better if it's done with likeminded men.
Camaraderie, physical activity, fresh air, creating something useful for yourself or other people you value.

>>220913959
The profession itself is nonsensical fraudulent pseudoscience crap. There is (rarely) the odd person who actually wants to help and maybe thinks they are, but 100% of them would be better off doing anything else and help more people working at a Goodwill unloading trucks.

>>220913983
Non sequitur, dumbcunt retard.

>>220914545
Yeah they have little to offer women and VERY little to offer men. Also bear in mind that this issue is long since settled.: talking about the same shit repeatedly, which is all "therapy" is, more correctly called ruminating, is not just one of but THE worst things to do if you want to actually grow up and have a future. This is especially true with real trauma (as opposed to wah people were mean to me feefees shit). The best thing for shell shock is to forget about and learn to ignore it, that's what healing means. The very worst thing is to have a regular appointment to dredge it up over and over, forever, so some hack can nod at you (incapable of ever understanding) and push some drugs at you that can never help, then charge you for it.

It's all a scam.

>>220932455
It’s science, not a scam. Therapy is clinically proven to work in some cases for some people. No one thinks you should be in therapy forever ruminating

>>220932455
>The best thing for shell shock is to forget about and learn to ignore it, that's what healing means.
oh that's hilarious. you actually believe this.

>>220926045
Schizoid female and BPD male is the ultimate crackship

>>220926591
Based women making sure the parasites men put in their bellies don't live to get their cocks jewed

>>220926704
Women, even family, usually feel the need to talk about sex constantly. My cousin told all of us she keeps a dildo of her husband's dick so yeah I fully believe your family members brought it up unprompted.

>>220913959
If they solved your issues you would leave them and they would be out of a job