The Bond movies were already woke back in the 90s:-)
>>220916853I bet he still fucked her
the subtext is that they want to fuck.
>>220916853And it was slop then. Got a point?
>>220917954Goldeneye eye always be kino
>>220916853and nobody batted an eyelash
>>220916853She also realizes over time that she was wrong about him and was too judgemental during their first meeting.>>220917972This.
>>220916853trashing men while at the same time calling them the hateful ones has always been a thing, the only way it's changed is that it's not okay to do across certain racial lines now. Progress, I guess
I'm gay and I love straight men. Straight men are great.
I want to get reprimanded by Judi Dench M so bad, bros
>>220916853That wasn't woke. That was a stuck up bitch who in the film was placed in her position due to politics. Very quickly she realized how wrong she was and how very necessary Bond is
Here's something: suffragettes were stoked by one Edward Bernays who sought to sell them cigarettes. He called the "torches of freedom". My very own mother died of lung cancer. Thank you, Eddie.
>>220917975They would now. If GoldenEye came out now chuds would be shitting on Dame Judi and branding it woke and lame.
>>220918025you have granny fetish dont you
>>220918046this, she gets proven wrong.
>>220916853A character having this viewpoint doesn't make the movie woke. GoldenEye is great and this zoomer post irony hating everything because you can is just obnoxious
>>220916853No. The CHARACTER had some feminist opinions, Bond himself was still out fucking bitches as always. That's the big difference you Zoomers miss when it comes to old films.Like Sarah Connor's woman rant where she's caustically spitting, 'Men like you ... ", shows she's got some woman baggage and butthurt feels about 'da menz'. Which was always an IRL trait of SOME women about SOME men, especially if they'd ACTUALLY suffered undue abuse, (eg. Some fat incel faggot licking their face while they're tied down). But she still loves and dreams about Kyle Reese. Loves and protects her son while trying to turn him into a 'great military leader' and soldier like his Dad.>If the movie was actually Woke, she'd be trying to turn him into a troonIt's like after a lifetime of rejection and getting used by women, your average incel isn't going to have a high opinion of some stereotypical female behaviour. Doesn't mean he doesn't still want to fuck them, date them, or even mistreat them back. He might feel understandably a little raw about it if a woman was sitting in front of him doing it, denying it, and not taking responsibility.As pissed off and crazy as Sarah Connor is she is she's still saying, "Men like you", in other words, SOME men, not ALL men.I always think of that bitch in 'Rope' (1948), how she's trying to be a too cool for skool smartass independent whammen of the 40's, but it's just a legit interesting characteristic of SOME bitches in any era:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXeB46S0PWwDench, (a fantastic actress), was actually a pretty interesting M, they just kinda fucked it up later on. Her initial introduction with the dinosaur shit reminds me of the hamfisted 'reproductive organs on the inside' Samantha Carter intro in SG-1, which went way better than expected later on.Dench M really shines in the pitch perfect 'Tomorrow Never Dies' opening, being a stronk whammen, yet showing genuine concern for Bond:https://youtu.be/hcIgZ4kJ5Ow?t=141
>>220919117>As pissed off and crazy as Sarah Connor is she is she's still saying, "Men like you", in other words, SOME men, not ALL men.Based and correct. Even at the time I figured that she didn't mean all men and just the particular type she was talking about.
Back then she'd be put in her place
>>220918025freakyalthough i'll say brosnan's moneypenny was the cutest
>>220916853The idea was to make bond a soft boy. They casted brosnan and madr them have a good relationship instead. Watch the movies you claim to "know"
>>220919142It's not correct. Later on she basically said that Terminator, a robot, was a better father than any man she met. It's obvious what she meant. >>220919117In modern movies it's the same, some characters have feminist opinions but you retards always lose your shit when this happens.
>>220919212>any man she met.That still proves it though, she'd only met shitty ones up to that point besides Reece.
>>220919225Proves what? She's a character in a movie. >Of all the would-be fathers who came and went over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only one who measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice.In her own view a machine will be a better father than any human male. She's clearly somewhat of a misandrist in that movie.
Bond movies are Connery and Moore. The rest are bullshit.
i liked this dynamic but it turned into Bond being a buckbroken shadow of his former granduer by the end of craigJust another example about how equity farming produces mass appeal over concentrated appeal to a specific demographic. We lose the quality and soul of a franchise and replace it with bloated budgets, diversity quotas and CGI.Somewhere someone in a boardroom meeting said: >'we need to capture the female market, its huge' and that was the death of Bond
>>220918419chuds would lose their minds over the original xman comics being published today
>>220916853>>220917975>you didn't realise you were under attack then so therefore you aren't now??
>>220919393Bond turned into a farce in the 70s. That wasn't a problem for you? Blofeld being completely wasted as a character turning into a cartoon villain and humiliated was perfectly fine?
>>220919284But you can understand Sarah Connor's perspective, she's someone who has been hardened by the burden she carries as a mother.
>bond wasn't wokeA statement cooked up by a deranged mind lol.
Goldeneye blows.90s cinema was absolutely rife with Political Correctness.
>>220916853M was a fuck up who fucked up way more than bond ever did and she is luck he pulled her ass out of the fire
>>220916853License to Kill was the first woke Bond film. Pam Bouvier was a girlboss while Bond was the mansel in distress the entire movie.
>>220918046>>220918513>>220919117Bond shouldn't even be working under a woman to begin with and just because they didn't go all the way with it doesn't mean it wasn't intentional. Use your heads.
>>220920282It’s amazing how much hair sells gender
>>220916853Ok but seriously, what's the likelihood a 60ish English woman during the 1990s would've even preferred bourbon over brandy or scotch?
>>220922054Female drunks go for vodka or wine
>>220916853>bitter hags have always existed Positively shocked
bond movies were always feminist and woke. even sean connery's bond gets saved in the final scene of the russian one. but we forgive it because he was badass and the lady was cute.
>>220922050Lol, it does nothing. We can always tell, tranny.
>>220922163*modern America has always been feminist and wokeEverything post 1970 or so and some stuff earlier
>>220916853then:>we know sex and violence is still awesome and we're going to put it in our movie in an updated 90s way, but let's include something to show we're hip and modern and we know it's a guilty pleasurenow:>those things aren't enjoyable and are evil and we're going to either not put them in our movie or include them in a purposefully annoying way so we can write articles about it
the briefing in Tomorrow Never Dies is M ordering Bond to fuck his ex for secretsone of the many reasons TND is better than Goldeneye
>>220922650>TND is better than GoldeneyeI'd take TND over any Bond movie, or really any movie period
>>220919117>Sarah Connor [in T2]I will add also that John puts an end to her tirade and he says that they need to be constructive [rather than indulge in unhinged ranting], and...she stops.In other words, it shows her ultimate reasonableness despite the traumatic effects of her past, her feelings, and the present situationHer character (and the scene-writing) shows far more maturity and restraint than we'd ever see nowadayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euf-GKJV2S8>>220919284>In her own view a machine will be a better father than any human maleThat's not what the line says. She's comparing the Terminator to the other men she got with after Kyle (and it wouldn't be surprising that it would be 'better' than them; Sarah's a damaged single mother with views that ordinary people would understandably consider crazy, and the men she attached herself to in the interim were clearly the dangerous kind, and to an extent she was using them for their martial expertise)>She's clearly somewhat of a misandrist in that movie.Yes, but that works nicely as a part of the narrative: the movie doesn't poke us in the ribs every five minutes and say 'she's right to hate men and you should too'; instead we can sympathize and understand how she came to feel that way: the male cops in the first movie didn't believe her; she had a bunch of broken relationships after Kyle with shady men; the Terminators themselves are [predominantly] male figures and a manifestation of [male] technological ingenuity and desire for power/control; the male psych ward workers routinely mistreated her; etc.Note also that Sarah has a very friendly relationship with Enrique despite the above: essentially, she is suspicious of and prejudiced against men she doesn't know, which, given her history, is understandable. That doesn't make it 'right' in some universalized moral sense, it just makes it fitting for the character
>>220916853feminist stuff was endearing back then because the women were still the underdog punching up. women got into power a long time ago and since then it's not endearing because they're kicking and shaming the good men who allow them to have agency and power in the free world.
>>220916853>The Bond movies were already woke back in the 90sCorrect.
>>220922707I wouldn't even go that far, but I will say it's the only Bond movie that doesn't drag even a little. It's got a lot of action, but even when it's not action, you know exactly what Bond has to do next and he's gonna do it soon.Every other Bond movie has some part where it's like "why did Bond come here? what's he doing?"
>>220921975>Bond shouldn't even be working under a woman to begin withOn HER Majesty's Secret Service, (since 1952).>"For Queen and country James?"Fucking Ameritards, not knowing how the UK and Commonwealth works. Also lest we forget Prime Minister Margaret "The Iron Lady" Thatcher, (since 1979).Also there have been female Foreign Secretaries and other relevant positions that outrank Bond. In the films when he goes into M's office for briefings he often greets the Foreign Secretary who is there as well because they are the ones literally signing off on his 'Licence to Kill'.I was in a Commonwealth Army and guess who I swore an oath to? Of course that's sorta symbolic in practice. The local Governor General is the monarch's representative in each country. But Queen Elizabeth II is genuinely held in high esteem by Bond, and IRL by the Poms/Commonwealth in general. Did you really never notice that detail in the films?Bond would have been working under women IRL for a large portion of his career any way you cut it.
>>220923050Worst ruler in british history, btw.
>>220922650>>220922707what a weird pick. TND is the most inessential of the brosnan era, it just feels like a huge step back in every department and was rushed cause broccoli's still thought it was the 60s/70s and thought shitting out a film every year was still achievable. even TWINE is stronger despite denise's casting and DAD at least is fun. TND is just kind of there.
>>220916853>boyish charms, though wasted on me, obviously appealed to that young woman
>>220923063Not even close. You might want to ACTUALLY look at Britfag history - or at least google some Shakespeare.You think shit is bad over there now, but the fact is her dying has totally released the brakes on the faggot train. I doubt Chuck III the envirofag King will have done half as well as she did once the dust has settled.
>>220923110Well she is old enough that she should know not fall for that shit, (hard as it is for women to learn, some of them do). And if you look at that whole scene, it's not as bad as the OP quote would have you believe. It even ends with her telling Bond not to get killed:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEujAIjTldk
>>220916853The entire point was M failed, Bond banged the chick sent to evaluate him.
>>220919174how is a man supposed to get any work done with this slut walking around the office
