>>220917152
No one whinged as much as the other 2

>>220917152
Boomers in the US are just mentally stuck in the "we're the good guys" post WWII mindset

>>220917152
It's not something that is backed up by the film itself.

>>220917152
which hero was on the side of the CIS scum?

>>220917152
god damn, even the prequel scrolls sucked ass

>>220917152
>make heads explode in rage
That didn't happen.
Take your fucking pills retard.

>War!
>The dead speak!
Shit movies shit fans shit franchise, star wars was never good and I blame boomers for falling for such a low level mkultra psyop, thinking the original was fine cinema and not just goyslop. Now we’re almost 5 decades into being inundated with this garbage.

>>220917214
>general grievous
>general
It's like you retards are willingly moronic

>meatbag clones
>droids
At least one side had Jedi knights. Who were the heroes on the other side?

It's foreshadowing that Anakin turns evil in the film bro. Pretend that you didn't know Anakin is Darth Vader and it makes sense.

>>220917329
Count Dooku
All the noble and righteous separatists

>>220917329
me

>>220917152
Because the Seperatists are portrayed as inherently evil with absolutely none of their leadership having any legitimate point that isn't fueled by greed or the lust for power.

>>220917495
That's true of conflicts in real life and we can still recognise heroism on both sides

>>220917152
I know, right. Every war has 'em.
>Allied Heroes: Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin
>Axis Heroes: Hitler, Mussolini, Emperor Sneed of Japan

>>220917152
They never played Battlefront

>>220917466
not in the movies no, they tried to make some gray shit (retarded but still) in clone wars but movies never had any complexity.

>>220917524
>emperor
>hero
lol wut

>>220917518
Not when one side is mindless robots controlled by an evil space wizard.

>>220917214
this is what prequel defenders dont get. you can say theres all this great lore and make videos about how deep the plot secretly is and shit, but at the end of the day the movies are a poorly acted mess. and lucas spent no time thinking about anything he was writing in the prequels either. he clearly didnt plan them out or do much besides make a first draft each time he made one of them.

Do boomers really not know the classical Greek definition of hero

>>220917280
>generals are automatically heroes
???

>>220917152
just like all the heroes working for Sauron in the LOTR movies

Clearly Lucas was trying to say there's "CHARACTERS" on both sides

>>220917152
>implying prequel dogshit is remotely relevant in current year, or ever

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I don't get what was so divisive about it, it makes perfect sense if you remembered Obi-Wans words from RotJ.

>>220917518
Conflicts in real life aren't black and white and the portrayal of the seperatists make it clear they are the "bad guys"

The clone wars is way to basic in the prequels to ever believe the seperatists have any nuance in their Secession.

>>220917576
you didn't either when you saw it as a child

>>220917569
Lucas was never really much of a writer, and most of his biggest contributions is just being an idea guy in the room (thats what a "story by" credit means, as opposed to screen/writer) with other people to take his nuggets and to properly plot them out and make some dialogue that isn't clunky as shit.
And its established that the actors were constantly pushing back about how some of the dialogue was written, the harrison ford anecdote about how "you can write this shit... but you can't say it."

>>220917609
even that parts not really true. the only even slightly fleshed out characters on the separatist side are count dooku and sideous (who arent even actually on the separatist side in reality). this is why the clone wars itself is so fucking stupid, 98% of whos fighting in the war are clones and droids. the stakes dont feel that big when your army is entirely canon fodder devoid of real humanity

>>220917627
>if you remembered this clumsy retcon that caused alec guiness to completely despise the movies and character

>>220917657
Lucas is a hack

>>220917651
>Lucas was never really much of a writer

Oh really? Almost every single person on the planet knows lines from his movies by heart.

>>220917651
thats why he should have had other writers help him with the prequels, and lucas shouldnt have been the director of all 3 movies either.

>>220917672
I have yet to see any proof that it isn't the case that Lucas just got really lucky one time and he's an otherwise utterly unremarkable boomer retard

>>220917672
I remember arnold's lines when he played mr. freeze in batman and robin. Doesn't mean that movie was any good

>>220917672
you retarded?

>>220917152
The side that controls the narrative doesn't want to entertain the notion that:
1. the other side has legitimate ideas and grievances
2. the other side should be heard, especially on or through the means of communication that they are in charge of
3. they can be interpreted as anything other than the "correct" side

There is no such thing as bothsidesism as a complaint. It's a cheap rhetorical ploy to dismiss uncomfortable perspectives.

>>220917672
half of "his lines" come from the two movies he didn't direct and the other half are cheesy memes that people can't take seriously

>>220917152
I understood this perfectly well when I was 9 years old.

>>220917280
As opposed to specific grievous

>>220917672
And?
George never wanted to write or direct the prequels and he spent years trying to get his friends to help him make the movies.
Spielberg eventually had enough and told george to just make the fucking movies himself because NO ONE wanted the burden of making additional star wars movies because they knew the kind of scrutiny and expectation that would be on them.
This is why Spielberg is all over the behind the scenes stuff for Phantom Menace, he was hanging around to help his buddy.
George's real passion with the prequels wasn't in the story, or the world, it was about pushing digital film making technology to prove it was commercially viable and that audiences would still buy into it.
He laid a challenge down with Phantom menace, he shot three scenes with digital cameras, and basically challenged people to find them. (There's a super obvious one when qui gon is on Shmi skywalkers balcony at night talking about midiclorians, the crushed blacks stand out like a sore thumb).
Its why you get persian flaws, like Jango's magic belt in attack of the clones, or anakin's morphing hair in revenge of the sith. Those anomalies happen because he's digitally stitching two different takes together into an otherwise seamless shot.

>>220917725
we know what that words mean retard. Problem is it was never shown even remotely in movies. Did you even tried to learn why Naboo was blockaded just from the movie?

>>220917753
you understood that it was fucking stupid?

>>220917739
Calling you a retard is my 'head exploding'?
Seriously bro, on a scale of 1-10 how fucking stupid are you?

>>220917152
Who?

>been reading ROTS, Darth Plagueis and the Darth Bane trilogy
>they're all kino
EU chads, Sith chads, I kneel.

>>220917629
It's a galaxy spanning war. There's plenty of room for conflicts where the separatist aligned faction has people who are heroic, if ultimately dupes for evil (just like the jedi).

The fine folks at Penguin Random House and Dark Horse Comics will be glad to tell you those stories for a nominal fee. Check your local book store. You have one of those because it's 2003.

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>>220917667
>this clumsy retcon
I still don't believe this, Obi-Wan's reaction to Luke asking him about his father's death looks exactly like someone who got put on the spot and had to immediately come up with a lie he could feed. I don't buy that Alec would deliver it like that if he wasn't told about it.
>caused alec guiness to completely despise the movies and character
Alec done that on his own

>>220917225
Count Dooku and General Grievous were probably viewed as heroes by the Separatist systems as they fought against the corrupt Republic. It's really not that complex guys.

>>220917152
it doesnt. hero is a greek word originally utilised to describe the heros of the trojan war. greeks and trojans, both had heros. hero doesnt mean "goodie" like in the braindead modern usage

>>220917774
>George's real passion with the prequels wasn't in the story, or the world, it was about pushing digital film making technology
Literally ruining film for all time.

>>220917814
only the movies matter, and most of the star wars movies suck. The clone wars should have been about the jedi fighting evil clones anyways. Its clear that when the clone wars is mentioned in the original movie its not meant to be that obi wan was fighting on the same side as clones. but Lucas either forgot or didnt care when he shat out the prequels.

>>220917847
>were probably viewed as heroes by the Separatist systems
yeah, I missed all those scenes. Because they dont exist
>>220917853
except theres not a single redeeming character on the separatist side. Its just a bad random line thrown into the opening text nobody second guessed.

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>>220917667
>that caused alec guiness to completely despise the movies and character
He hated it from the first movie. Its Sir Alec Guiness doing some goofy genre trash in the desert an he kind of seethed that more people knew him from that than his fantastic dramatic work.
For me its Smiley's People
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I beat Captain Picard at a game of international espionage? He was a good friend.

>>220917880
The fact that they were referred to as wars plural sort of suggests it was a complicated situation. Also, were the Korean and Vietnam wars fought against those countries or was it more nuanced than that?

>>220917931
star wars is supposed to just be space adventure movies for all audiences. its not supposed to be some complicated mirror of some real life conflict, and even if Lucas thinks thats what he was doing he sucked ass in writing it.

>>220917927
Guinness was such an insecure ass. His diary entries are hilarious.

>>220917627
>vader being lukes father is a retcon
HOLY COPE NUKE

>>220917684
he couldn't. not part of the unions. also everyone he asked didn't want to work with him. You can see why in the BTS stuff where he's quite literally whining at hayden about the lines.

>>220917880
That's why it was a great line that people fixated on in the first movie.
The only information you have is that
A) There was something called "The Clone Wars"
B) Obi Wan and Anakin fought in it as jedi knights
it gives you just enough information for your imagination to go "Gee... I wonder what that was about? Were they fighting for/over/with clones? Were Jedi just errant knights, or like samurai with retainers who went out to fight as generals in these wars?
As soon as you make three movies about Clones Vs. Robots all of that wonder and imagination is let out of the bag because oh... thats what it was... all the mystery and fog of war on this massive setting that we get a keyhole into is just gone.
The closest to anything like that you get in the prequels is anakin and obi wan talking about a nest of gundarks. Or in phantom menace when he mentions something about qui gon getting into trouble again.
But those are massive world building things you can ponder on, they're just lame informed character moments.

>>220918044
Yes that's what I was saying >>220917838

>>220918090
yeah this is why Id rather the prequels werent even made. If youre just going to fuck everything up Id rather they didnt exist in the first place.

>>220917793
Calling someone names over differing opinions regarding media specifically made for children is extremely embarassing.

>>220917985
Star Wars is famous for throwaway lines that get expanded into novels and every single background freak having a name, backstory and an action figure.

Shit, I just read the prequel books and the surrounding EU stories. Far better experience.

>STAR WARS IS SUPPOSED TO BE X
>NO STAR WARS IS SUPPOSED TO BE Y
>GRRR THIS WAS MY FAVORITE THING EVER AS A KID STOP IT
>STOP RUINING MY COMFORT CHARACTERS!!!!
>FUCKING LUCAS
>FUCKING DISNEY
fucking shut uppppp
it's fine to have opinions on this shit but IP nostalgiafag boomers need to fucking step back and look at themselves

>>220918236
yes, because star wars only endured as long as it has because of the never ending products made from it. star wars is just a brand at this point more so then a movie series. thats why when you judge star wars on its actually merits as films most fall way short.

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>>220918321
Here's an idea I wish would take off: how about no more star wars? no more movies, no more tv shows and everyone shuts the fuck up about it. I dont care if you love it or hate it, Im completely over ever hearing about star wars ever again. enough

>There are villains on both sides
>As you read this Jedi Master Severe Cunt is progressing towards General Grievous' cruiser alongside his padawan; Jedi Knight Wound Salter

>>220917214
Count Dooku was morally grey in the films but he has like 10 minutes of screen time so that didn't really translate well

>>220917913
Yeah exactly. It’s just lazy story telling at the end of the day.
> Let’s make one of the most clear cut good vs evil stories possible
> Oh but “heroes on both sides” because that’s Deep and Nuanced
It’s textbook pseud shit

>>220917739
>Good People on both sides
If people didn't already hate the media after they blatantly and intentionally misrepresented this whole nothingburger, they definitely did after.

>>220917152
How are we supposed to empathize with a guy who killed a classroom to save his girlfriend? That's so idiotic. He tells Mace Windu not to kill Palpatine because "it's not the Jedi way," and then is suddenly instantly okay with murdering kids who know him personally. It makes no sense. I thought that in the last movie he'd be some kind of general making really shady decisions while thinking about the greater good, and eventually finds himself doing really fucked up things, until he finally decides that it would be easier if he were using the dark side, so he kind of joins the dark side before he even realizes it. But no, it's to save a girl he likes.

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>>220917152
Oh you saw the tweet huh

>>220917775
>we know what that words mean retard
I answered the question put forth.
>Did you even tried to learn why Naboo was blockaded
I don't know about any of that nerd shit.

>>220917152
>The republic is crumbling
How? It is very one sided war

Why is Revenge of the Sith so heavy on the slapstick? It's really jarring.

>>220918769
I dont know. It makes how dark the movie gets in the second half seem even stranger

>Prequel era
Read the books, nigga. They're better.

>>220918796
Still not good.

>>220918796
If I'm going to take the time to read its sure as fuck not going to be a star wars book

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>>220918796
>nigga

>>220918825
Quit your bitching then, faggot.

>>220918769
>Why Does (Star Wars movie) do (weird atonal shit)
Because George is autistic

Should instead say there are losers on both sides, including the viewers.

>>220918796
>read
Fuck off to /lit/

>>220918769
This is where the fun begins

>>220919007
....another happy landing

>>220917280
have you ever noticed that in order to prefer the prequels as adults over the OT someone has to either be completely ironic or on the autist spectrum?

>>220919034
I'm on the autism spectrum and I think that Revenge of the Sith is barely any better than the sequels. Anakin has to act like he's lobotomized for the entire movie in order for it to work because George Lucas forgot to lay out his turn to the dark side and had to cram it all into one movie. It takes more than being on the autism spectrum to think that the prequels are as good or better than the original trilogy. I personally wonder if the rise in prequels defenders has to do with so many Indians gaining internet access. Revenge of the Sith and Clone Wars feel the most Bollywood out of all things Star Wars related, and those are all that prequels defenders really seem to care about.

>>220919077
Why was he able to walk after that?

>>220919171
the force? thats the lazy excuse for everything in the prequels

>>220918698
>>220918769
>>220918785
>>220918863
George fucking gave up by that point. The specifics of the prequels are ultimately not canon just like episodes 7-9, by reason of insanity and incompetence.

>>220917152
count dooku was the only real hero, and a human being.
he could have restored balance to the force.

>>220918833
Hey I’m not the cunt stealing thread ideas from Twitter

>>220917152
It means Lucas is a WW2 movie nerd and in actual WW2 movies the Germans are more misguided than evil.

>>220917152
What heroes were on the Separatists' side?

>>220919229
the original trilogy is based off WW2, I dont know what the fuck the clone wars is suppsoed to be

>>220917152
That makes no sense. Lucas loved his old serials, and there was a bad guy and a good guy. Why would he do this?

>>220919162
I'm an autistic girl 18/f female.
i like revenge of the sith but I just want someone to watch it with

>>220919247
in war discourse there's a bright line of intellectual capability separating people who think in those terms from humans

>>220917152
The separatists are the good guys of the prequels, so this is correct. They are fighting against tyranny.

>>220918365
It baffles me that grown men can't just ignore a new entry in a series that is over in their minds.
Like The Matrix in my mind was over after the 3rd one, and when the new one came out, I just didn't watch it, still haven't. And even if I do somehow get strongarmed into watching it and I don't like it, I'll just mark it a non-canon in my mind and move on. It's not like I needed more Matrix anyway.

>>220917214
Yeah, episode 2 should have been about freedom fighters with legitimate problems living under galactic rule, give some humanity to the other side while also making it more tragic that they're being played as suckers by Palpy
Way the series is now, it's about him using rich useful idiots to send a billion robots at the obvious Jedi good guys

>>220919333
The Matrix was over after 1 tbqh

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>>220919496
He could've named it The Adventures of Luke Glordon but obviously a war movie was the intention

>>220919513
"War movie" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. It's a serial from those days, not the Longest Day or Saving Private Ryan.

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>>220917629
>Conflicts in real life aren't black and white
They are. They really fucking are.

Please explain the moral nuance behind Genghis Khan
You fucking can't.

It's objectively morally correct to fight and kill the invading force in 95% of irl war scenarios. The other 5% there might be some nuance, sure, but it's not the norm.

>>220919545
Quite right. Those are slop with faceless bad guys, this is kino that respects the old war films.

>>220919288
Well then in that case I like it now.

If you're over the age of 25 and still think the prequels are actually good movies, please kill yourself

>>220919640
The prequels suck but this one gains half a point for having the particular OP line in the opening crawl.

>>220917152
>War!
And yet we never really see it except in cutaway scenes. Anakin spends most of the movie kicking around Coruscant.

>>220919699
>we never really see it except for when we see it
Most retarded post of the year and we're only in june

>>220919670
why? It doesnt make the movie any better. Its basically just saying: pretend this pretend war is more nuanced then it actually is, because all I really want to do is sell toys.

>>220917329
I think, by heroes, it meant Jar Jar.

>>220919712
>toy
Hence "Jar jar is key". It's also why Disney bought it. The movies and their profits are just a fraction of the toy rights. The toy tail wags the dog.

>>220919708
You're retarded. I obviously meant with Anakin, retard. You're not smart.
>Erm actually you didn't grammatically say that in a way that my severely autistic brain can accept
Kill yourself now.

>>220919699
Are you fucking serious? They devoted the entire 2nd movie, fully half of the 3rd, and two full television series to the war. How much more do you fucking need?

>>220917152
A lot of media doesn’t really get to do this. You either have it where they focus too much on making the faction the protagonist is with look too good or the antagonist faction too bad, poor world building, or it’s just propaganda.

>>220919699
>And yet we never really see it except in cutaway scenes
Anon was late to the cinema so he missed the first part of the movie where a giant fucking space battle happens over coruscant

>>220919781
I need Anakin to not spend the entire fucking movie walking back and forth between two buildings.

>>220919805
That was like four minutes.

>>220919712
because it's true to the OT and that's all the prequels are, ten hours of DVD special feature content and backstory vignettes for the OT. Fans made clear their intention to violently chimp out if George did anything new or interesting in terms of structure, there was no other option.

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>>220919699
>we never really see it

>>220919836
>But Anon, there were a few minutes at the beginning and end where he was doing something other than walking around Coruscant, so you can't technically complain that most of the movie was him walking around Coruscant in a movie that takes place at the height of the clone wars.

There are Tums festivals on both sides.

The Clone Wars is the best and most interesting Star Wars era.

>>220920302
except its not

>>220917152
Sheev was a hero, he was eliminating wokeness

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>>220917152
>boomers heads explode in rage
Citation needed
But none exists

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Post your favorite technocrat.

>>220918190
Well yeah, but that milk is already spilled.
In general I dislike the idea of prequels across the board. If the story being told was really that important, then that is where the story should have started.
Otherwise it just turns into a lazy exercise to put everyone in the same place they are when the next movie starts, which didn't need any frontloading of three movies to establish the characters.

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>>220920422
https://youtu.be/PW4OIHDsWsM?si=Hw3-zbHj7ZZJdutR
Is there a choice?

>>220920475
he was a good friend

>>220920302
Easily

Theoretically the Rebels vs Empire conflict is a ripe scenario. But I can't think of anything interesting set there, except the Vader comic (which is fanwank and relies on the main characters) and Andor, which isn't really star wars

Meanwhile Clone Wars has 99% of good expanded star wars media.

>>220921122
the zoomer brain at work

>>220917152
so either:
>Twitter is 4chan-lite
>4chan runs Twitter
which is it?

>>220917214
Uh, except for the fact that the Republic is basically a front for the soon to be Emperor at this point. It isn't hard to imagine many Separatists saw the writing on the wall.

>>220917280
The line immediately prior refers to Count Dooku as "the ruthless Sith Lord", so it is unlikely that "heroes" is meant to include him.

>>220917152
Because boomers are retards incapable of realising that not everything is black and white. Boomers are incapable of nuance. The Separatists had legitimate grievances against a genuinely corrupt Republic until Darth Sidious hijacked their movement.

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>>220917913
>yeah, I missed all those scenes. Because they dont exist
it doesn't matter, it's like saying there's only like 8 planets in the whole galaxy because movies don't show more. The movie directly tells you in plain english text that there's heroism on both sides, it's literally in the fucking movie and you're going to argue otherwise

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>>220917152
Idiots thinking "Heroes" is a synonym for "Good Guy" in all cases when in this context it's just describing a strong figure that others rally behind. Same kind of people are filtered by misunderstanding the word "Great" to mean good when referring to historical figures

>>220921631
A rare picture of Darth Maul during his exile on Lotho Minor.

If you were a separatist then the four armed cyborg man that kills jedi would probably be a hero to you

>>220917152
It's moral relativism inserted into a simplistic fairy tale story about good vs evil. It doesn't fit together.

>>220921698
Why is the Empire more evil than the rebels exactly?

>>220921698
>simplistic fairy tale story about good vs evil
that’s not what the prequels are

>>220921726
It's a totalitarian state run by an evil cackling dark wizard dictator

>>220917152
>Americans buckbroken when they realise that more than one side of a conflict has their versions of war-heroes, just like them.
Yes, the Nazis, the Soviets and whoever the fuck you want to use as a example had people they viewed as heroes. The opening crawl isn't endorsing separatist ideology

>>220917152
The Jedi were the ones responsible for the war. They had so lost their way that they had become villains in that conflict. They should have been put on trial, all of them. The Jedi had become an army fighting for the dark side, fallen from the light that they once held so dear. The republic was failing. It was only a matter of time.

>>220921770
>he looks and laughs weird so he's evil!
I hope she sees this bro

>>220917225
14-XD-88 was a battle droid that saved the lives of 6 million cpus waiting to be placed into droid bodies (babies) during the battle of Negroidia. A holiday was created in his honor.

Anakin is Space Jesus

A reminder that Alderan shot first and what the rebels called a "death star" to justify their war crime was actually named the Peace Sphere.

>>220917152
In this house, Pong Krell is an Umbaran hero. End of story.

>>220921456
>please imagine half the plot then its good
No

>>220921631
>nah, you see dude this universe is really deep and well thought out. a single line of the opening text crawl counts as good world building

>>220921980
yep. and that lazy, chosen one savior trope the prequels went with sucked dick

>>220922236
Trope? Name ONE fucking example where the chosen one enacted a fascist takeover

>>220917152
>make boomers heads explode in rage?
>boomer
It wasnt boomers. It was genx. To this day the only generation that got its panties in a twist about any starwars content in large numbers has been genxers. It's not all of them, but every obsessive outspoken sperg ends up being a genxer. I couldn't tell you what causes it but no other generation has such a pathological attachment to any specific part of starwars other than genx and the OT.

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>From my point of view General Grievous is a hero!

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>>220917152
>Space Republic is evil
>Fighting evil make you good
Simple as

>>220917737
fitting for a kids film

>>220917278
What's so bad about
>War!
Like, I agree that it sucks but I don't know why

>>220918484
Undermined by making the cartoon version of him (which has way more screentime), a sinister moustache twirling villain who blatantly enjoys being evil.

It’s been ages since I saw it, but from memory, in that clone wars movie, Dooku is fighting Anakin, and he thinks Anakin is carrying Jabba the Hutts child (the equivalent of a baby for their species, by the way) in his backpack.

Dooku just hacks it open, and is disappointed when it’s revealed he hasn’t managed to commit infanticide. Even though Anakin is a high value target, Dooku blasts him away with the force, and jumps on his speeder, reasoning if he can just make it to Ahsoka in time, he can make up for his mistake by killing two children.

Sure, tales of the Jedi made him a fleshed out character, and redesigned his head shape so it looked human once more. But it took two whole decades to get to the point that the much talked about “shades of grey” in the Count’s character were somewhat visibly depicted on screen.
He ends that series of episodes murdering a former friend in cold blood, after joining an obviously evil maniac who is cackling as he kills her. So I still think he’s irredeemable, but at least that version of him is irredeemable in a layered way.

Film version? He’s just evil. Him pulling the Emperor’s schtick of “join me and together we can save the galaxy” to Obi Wan doesn’t count. Within mere minutes of screen time he has dropped the facade and is gloating
“it may be difficult to secure your release”, like a Bond villain.

And then, at the film’s climax, he grins in savage triumph as he manages to defeat Obi Wan in a sword fight, cutting and burning him, rendering him disabled. Seconds later, he’s winding up for a killing blow. The audience has always projected traits they desire onto him, but he just isn’t that character, and never has been.

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>>220919019
Based meme enjoyers absolutely shitting all over miserable pedants.

>>220917753
same
it was patently apparent to me that someone like boba fett was a hero
even some random geonosian flying down into the arena to fight the jedi qualifies

>>220921931
That's correct. Laugh like a normal person you fuck.

>>220920362
My dad's head exploded in rage when I showed him that line.

People argue about that, and not the whole REPUBLIC IS CRUMBLING which isn't shown at all in the movie. They just say it is. Lucas never heard of show, don't tell.

>>220923997
back to /r/prequelmemes brother

>>220924032
did you miss the senate scenes?

>>220924091
There were no senate scenes in revenge of the Sith until the clone wars already end

>>220917152
When the Tie-Fighter PC Game came out in 1994, a lot of people were up in arms with Lucasarts allowing people to play as the bad guys.

>>220924121
there are senate scenes in the phantom menace

>>220924192
The text crawl is specifically referring to the effects of the clone wars, which we see practically nothing in the movie

>>220918698
Everything is rushed at that point. Palpatine gets a fucked up face, declares himself emperor, changes the republic into the empire all overnight.
Then at the end we suddenly have imperial officers and star destroyers. It's surprising Lucas resisted the urge to have tie fighters

>>220917545
The droids are not mindless. Every single depiction of a droid on screen show them exercising agency and capacity to choose.

General Grievous gives an explicit order: "Don't bother about them. Keep the ship in orbit!"

Then, when the situation deteriorates and the Jedi start massacring all the droid pilots, they run away screaming.

A mindless drone pilot would be cut down where he stood

>>220919034
No, what I notice is most defenders of the prequels actually don't understand the plot despite claiming others who hate them only do so for a lack of understanding it. I've had multiple arguments with prequel defenders that actively argue Qui-gon didn't attempt to steal the Hyper-drive from watto or that Jango was actively trying to get Obi-wan to find him on Kamino. These people will throw around the word media illiteracy while actively being media illiterate.

>>220925156
That's a strawman.

The separatists are literally led by dudes named Tyranus and Grievous

>>220917152
>be Lucas
>don’t care about making films
>kenner gives up the toy rights to Star Wars since it doesn’t make money anymore and they return to Lucas’s control
>quickly slap together three scripts where random characters are introduced every 5 minutes so you can sell them as toys

>>220925320
Freedom fighters.

>>220917152
Watch the Plinkett reviews, he explains it well

>>220923961
what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

>>220917524
>Stalin
>Hero

>>220925440
he killed more Jews than Hitler ever did.

>>220925232
It's a strawman when it happens literally every time I have an argument with someone defending the prequels?

>>220925468
Has it happened now?

>>220925479
Well considering there are idiots in this thread pretending the Seperatists had heroes when the film actively goes out of its way to show otherwise is a good example.

>>220918769
It's for the younglings

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>>220925495
it doesn't go out of its way to show that. Count Dooku is obviously a hero in every sense of that word. Literally the first thing we hear about him in Attack of the Clones, before we even see him, is how even his ideological opponents consider him an honorable man of good character.

>>220925582
The opening Crawl literally calls him a sith lord which are actively shown in the entire series to be the most evil assholes ever. Shut the fuck up.

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>>220925634
No, it doesn't. I will not engage with you any further since you clearly have no interest in an honest conversation.

>>220925661
>No, it doesn't
>>220917152
Learn to read.

>>220925582
They don't call him honorable retard they say he's a political idealist and wouldn't murder someone (they were wrong)
Try reading your own image before posting you low IQ zoomer

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>>220925771
Believing he wouldn't murder a political opponent implies they believe he has enough honor not to do such a thing.

>>220925883
Nta but you btfo'd by two different anons. Take the L.

>>220917152
They're used to being fed propaganda where the good guys are good because they just are.

>>220921664
If only there was another word that could be used as a synonym without the connotation of these "champions" being coded as good guys. But George Lucas wrote "heroes", so that's what we got.

>>220925495
Grievous is pretty clearly a hero to the droid fighting for the confederacy. A Robert e lee type guy

How is this difficult to understand?

>>220919343
Well the point is the CIS are actually a drummed-up purely mechanized non-grassroots force

>>220926862
Tell that to the Umbarans.

>>220917495
>point that isn't fueled by greed or the lust for power.
thats what the rebels wanted as well, to be in power.

>>220919496
twin peaks is about wizards in creepy woods by a village. is that for children as well?

>>220926953
I'm not sure 'shadow people' works exactly the same way 'unheard masses' does

>>220926685
>The droids look up to Grevious!
>Grevious kills his own droids constantly in the film
Anon I...

>>220927055
That's unironically racist, though. It's just a planet with practically no sunlight.

>>220926980
The movies clearly shows the Rebels want to overthrow an authoritarian Empire a provide more autonomy to the people of the Galaxy. They are no where near the same as the CIS.

>>220917152
>there were heroes on BOTH sides!
This has never happened at any point in human history. Is George insane?

>>220927156
That's exactly the same as the CIS.

>>220926980
No, they wanted to restore democracy. Sheev wanted to eat galactic suffering and everyone under him wanted cash or revenge caused by Sheev's own false flags

>>220927166
You already understand the concept so why make yourself stupid pretending you don't?
Okay how about this. Baldwin and Saladin. Or do you not know history anymore?

>>220917152
if the movie was good nobody would care what the opening crawl said, simple as.

>>220920460
>In general I dislike the idea of prequels across the board. If the story being told was really that important, then that is where the story should have started.

Honestly that’s a really great point. Have there ever been prequels that were better than their original stories? I mean prequels closer to Star Wars, not something like the Silmarillion where it’s a giant world building origin story.

>>220927263
nobody's saying the movie is good

>>220927338
I think Hound of the Baskervilles was a post-comeback Holmes story, therefore a prequel to his death.

>>220927169
Where's the scene this is established anon?

>>220917152
Because George was too lazy/incompetent to actually show that on the screen. Based purely upon what we’re shown, the CIS is Palapatine, Dooku, assassins, and then a bunch of cackling robots and muppets.

>>220917214
ah yes the political entity using human clone slaves is morally superior to overly taxed outer rim planets defending themselves from a coruscant centric republic with an army of robots

Fuck me, Phantom Menace is boring.

>>220918484
Not really. It might be chalked up to bad direction on George’s part, but even in the scene where Dooku is treating with Obi Wan, it feels like he’s bullshitting, so I could get why Obi wouldn’t believe him, especially considering Dooku had already sent a series of proxies to try to kill them by that point.

Maybe if he had tried to, I don’t know, talk to people like Padme, Bail, and the Jedi, who didn’t trust Palpatine to start with, he probably could have convinced them to join his cause. That scene is also the only time that you even get a hint that Dooku actually knows what’s really going on. He acts gobsmacked by Sheev’s treachery at the beginning of Sith, but if he really knew what was going on, he probably should have seen that coming.

I just have a really hard time reconciling Dooku being a secret good guy while bowing to Space Satan and working with robo Snidley Whiplash.

>>220927497
I mean the entire movie is about a fake trade war so a dude can win a vote of no confidence
literally space C-SPAN lmao

>>220927446
That’s just shitty writing. The clones are simultaneously disposable copy/paste people that are ok to mow down by the thousands and distinct individuals with their own drives, relationships, ambitions, and interests (aka slaves) as it suits the plot.

>>220917524
>wheelchair mcgee
>hero

>>220927497
John Williams, Ray Park, and Ben Burtt carry that movie HARD.

>>220927497
Honestly, you can read a plot summary of it and then listen to the Darth Plagueis audiobook if you want a better experience.

>>220927557
I agree
There is a huge disconnect between how the PT and TCW portray the clones

>>220927582
More of a reason why the clones should have been the opposing force to the Republic during the Clone Wars.

>>220927602
It was never explained how the Jedi KNEW the clones were created by the enemy (boba fett who flew to geonosis where the separatists were and the whole Tyrannus thing) and yet just accepted that they're the Republic's army now
The republic was still a theocracy and the Jedi Council had as much power as the senate so they approved this despite knowing all of this

>>220927338
>>220927385
But as that's a serial, the answer is basically "no."
The problem is not a lack of good stories to tell in prequels, but the fact that any prequel greenlit after the success of the original is inherently tied to that success and incapable of charting its own path. They're mutually exclusive. People don't really want prequels, they want more of the great experience they had with the original. Prequels are an inferior art form that relieves the viewer's embarrassment of asking for more of the same and rescues artists from the work of making something brand new.

>>220917763
He has a list of concerns.

>>220919333
Society in general has hit that point. Why do you think everything is bombing now?

>>220925582
The guy who wrote that also said that the Sith are do despicable and evil that the only way to bring “balance” to the force is through their extinction.

>>220927338
Metal Gear Solid 3 is a prequel whose story is universally praised above the ones that came before it.

>>220919551
>people under me are happy and protected.
>i ask others to pay taxes to join under me and be protected
>if they don't want to pay taxes i can kill them (viewed as a moral position today)

>>220923979
Good post.
The surest way to kill a Prequelfag is to sit down and watch the Prequels.

Neither side were more moral than the other, that's the point
The separatists had legitimate grievances, they were the poor oppressed outer rim periphery of the republic, effectively resource colonies, so they separated under a new democratic regime and built a droid army to defend themselves
Coruscant and the core worlds started the war on geonosis to stop them from seceding
Oh and the republic used a literal human slave clone army and their supreme chancellor was Darth fucking Sidious

The movies didn't make this clear but the shows did, particularly the Padme in Raxus arc

>>220918044
It was anon. Vader being Luke's dad was an idea they came up with when writing empire. In ANH vader is just a cool looking robotic SS officer.

>>220928528
Vader was a sith lord since the very beggining
How else do you explain the Obi Wan Scene in IV?

>>220921631
>it doesn't matter
It does when it basically appears as the conclusion to the introduction to your movie.
It would be like saying hamlet is really a story about the brave men and women of the norwegian army.

>>220925683
gottem lmao

>>220917152
why does every thread about criticism of the prequels end up with 200+ replies?

>>220921664
People still throw a hissy fit that blizzard called undead heros, heros.
It's not complicated.

>>220928602
because zoomies love the prequels and TCW and this is a zoomer board

>>220927582
I think the issue is that in the clone wars cartoon you had to spend a lot more time with the troopers so they're doomed to grow individual personalities.

>>220927372
People do now though, prequal movies are consistently ranked in the top 3 with some insane people stating rots is number 1 even above empire.
It's lunacy made by people who like reddit meme s that were never funny, and underdog syndrome gone too far

>>220917753
When I was 9 I expected a better hero than coughing robot

>>220928669
rots is the night of the long knives in movie form
The day when the republic fell and space Hitler siezed absolute power

>>220928680
Prequals suck dick but grevious is a genuinely cool design
Maul is too
Dooku is also pretty much perfect for his role
George was kinda on to something least in that department

>>220928696
Too bad the actual movie is bad
Rots is fine, kinda wish it was more for vaders introduction to the franchise but episode 1/2 are actually terrible movies. To the point I refuse to believe anyone likes watching them, and just shitposts about how good they were when they were 9

>>220928729
I agree, episodes 1 and 2 were literally just galactic politics with very little actual character development
but in a way they were needed, maybe they could have been a TV show and not movies

>>220928576
Vader being a sith lord was how he was introduced in the script of star wars (though that never makes it on screen).
And him being a sith lord has nothing to do with him ALSO being luke's dad.
If you want more evidence that Vader wasn't supposed to be Luke's father, the original sequel idea written for star wars has been novelized and turned into a comic book called "splinter of the mind's eye." Han solo is nowhere to be seen, and luke and leia are the protagonists with romantic tension and they're not related.

>>220917214
This
OTfags cannot handle a film not having characters stop and directly look into the camera and explain basic shit that they would otherwise have to figure out on their own

I feel like the prequal issues really started with Anakin being like 9 in episode 1
Theirs a universe where episode 1 starts with obiwan during the already happening clone wars meet a slave instructed to work on his ship or some thing for episode 1 that he senses as a strong force user and they team up to win the battle ending with Anakin joining the Jedi council with episode 2 picking up with obiwan training him via all the battles seeing Anakin do more and more aggressive tactics or something and we skip that shitshow
The prequels could have worked but just not like this.

>>220917651
>"you can write this shit... but you can't say it."
Except he went on to say:
>“I told George: ‘You can’t say that stuff. You can only type it.’ But I was wrong. It worked,” Ford adds.

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>>220927524
Dooku's "le republic is corrupt xD" schtick doesn't work when he is the head of an army consisting of the evil corporate robots and he answers directly to Satan.

>>220923979
Dedicated prequelfag here
>the cartoon version of him
I never watched that slop
>Film version? He’s just evil.
In AotC, he's ruthless to his enemies, but comes off as fairly honest in his talk with Obi-Wan. He's the 'grayest' dark sider in the films by a long shot.

>>220928528
pure coincidence that it's german for father

>>220929064
Correct. Especially when there is official textual evidence to the contrary, and the words of george lucas himself.
Why do you insist on living in this fiction that george lucas had the original movies and the prequels written out as this massive big book of lore that he'd been sitting on.
Lucas himself said that's bullshit on multiple occasions, an the closest you ever got to something like that was the original draft of star wars, which if you know anything about star wars, was so drastically changed and mutated through various drafts that it bears little resemblance to the finished product.
Back when luke was Starkiller and not Skywalker.

>>220927065
>hallucination
Either bot or an insane nigger

>>220929150
>>220929064
Star wars original even before it was renamed to episode 4 ends in a way that it could have easily been a one and done film
The empire gets btfo
Vader is flying off in his blown Up ship probably dead
Everyone cheers