Just finished it. Sleeping In Light was an amazing send off and got me good.Other things and blogposting:>did not care for the entire telepath arc>every stephen and minbari episode was boring>minbari in particular get way too much "well, actually my species can do x" when it fits the story>war wihtout end 1 and 2 spoiled way too much shit in early/mid s3. show was still good but i was pretty much connecting the dots from point a to b until the end>marcus was annoying most of the time and i didn't care for him as a characterOtherwise, very amazing kino show and I thank every anon who ever recommended it. Babylon 5 thread then?
>>220917879Should specify:>entire telepath s5 war arc*
>>220917879Reactors have discovered B5 so expect an increase in normies in these threads.
>>220917879Babylon 5 was great. One thing that I like about it that seperates it from Star Trek was the addition of religion. You watch Star Trek and with the exception of a few original series episodes religion is barely mentioned.In Babylon 5 though they take religion and spirtuality far more seriously.It's a big contrast from Star Trek which comes across a bit sterile by conparison.
>>220917912This is the way.
>>220917912You think that's bad? Yes, the author of the video is EXACTLY what you think he is
>>220917953>It's a big contrast from Star Trek which comes across a bit sterile by comparison.To be fair Deep Space Nine is conceptually pretty much just Babylon 5 in Star Trek, and it discusses religion a ton.It's also the best Trek series.
>>220917879>>220917962Are the spinoff shows any good?
>>220918003Crusade only got half a season of 13 episodes, TNT cancelled it before it ever went to air. It would have been good if it had been allowed to continue.Legend of the Rangers was only a pilot. The effects are cringe because all the assets had been lost by the time this was made so they did it was stuff from an unfinished videogame.
>>220917964I'll take your word for it. >>220917993The big difference is that DS9's religion is mostly about Bajorans and maybe The Founders, while B5 deals with both human and alien religions. Anyway, hopefully this thread doesn't become a boring rehash of "Paramount ripped of JMS's ideas" for the 10,000th time.
>>220917962You could probably filter out the season 1 filler episodes>>220917953Religion in Trek is always advanced aliens fucking with primitive aliens
>>220917879>Babylon 5 thread then?
>>220918051Can we discuss how TNTs show The Last Ship recycled the plot of Crusade - a plot they had demanded be dropped
>>220918041>all the assets had been lostWut. How? Was it because of PTEN ending? TNT problems?
>>220917962more like this is the gay amirite
>>220918092This is the first time I've heard about that, so info dump what you have.
>>220918121You need someone to bring you good cheer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lErvXVD_BaQ
>>220918112Netter Digitial had closed down by then, it had all the material from the first three seasons done by Foundation Imagining and then its own work from season 4-5 and the tv movies and Crusade.>>220918126There's nothing to infodump, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship_(TV_series)>After a global viral pandemic wipes out over 80% of the world's population, the 218-person crew of an unaffected U.S. Navy Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, the fictional USS Nathan James (DDG-151), must try to find a cure and save humanity.That's Crusade, that's one of the changes TNT demanded. And this was made by TNT.
>>220917879>penn and teller thread then?
>>220918003please someone post the legend of the rangers webm
>>220918196I FUCKED UP THE JOKE
>>220918192Was it at least a decent knock-off?
>>220917912I welcome them. Just don't let JMS make a reboot when the studios notice B5 getting popular all of a sudden.>>220917964The retards always think Nineteen Eighty-Four is anything but an attack on communism.>>220918057There really isn't filler in season 1. Even in the episodes where nothing particularly important happens, there's generally still some great character moments that make the things that happen to them later much more meaningful. Or, there's some bit of lore that gets dropped in a random scene that turns out to be very important later.And while longtime fans tend to shit on season 1 at times, I've never actually seen anyone new to the series hate any episodes of season 1. They only seem worse in retrospect after getting deep into the latter half of season 2 or where t he show peaks in seasons 3-4.
>>220918051>The big difference is that DS9's religion is mostly about Bajorans and maybe The Founders, while B5 deals with both human and alien religionsExactly. In DS9 religion is mentioned, but it's very sterile, empty. The Bajorans just worship some wormhole aliens, the Founders just trick primitives into thinking they're gods. It all has a very materialist, scientific explanation. It's a big contrast from Babylon 5, which doesn't give a cynical scientific explanation for the various religions, but instead treats them as a mysterious thing.
>>220918246Given how 'The Road Home' failed to gain much attention, there's probably not much danger that Sense8 JMS will get a chance at doing a full reboot.
>>220917879Weird. I just started it 10 minutes ago.This bitch just said she’s not voting for a presidential candidate because he gave her the ick
>>220918232No.
>>220918232I watched a bit of The Last Ship, it was fucking awful.
>>220918246It needs to be remade. 1984 is about the Soviet Union, read Homage to Catelonia - Orwell was a Socialist.
>>220918285>the Founders just trick primitives into thinking they're godsThey uplifted the vorta and created the jem hadar. Its perfectly fair for them to be worshipped as gods even without the founders implicity encouraging it as a means of control.
>>220918051>The big difference is that DS9's religion is mostly about Bajorans and maybe The FoundersNot really. They go into depth about Klingon and Ferengi religion as well. I can't recall off the top of my head if they discussed Cardassian and Trill religion too but I think they did a bit.
>>220918285Everyone, sans Londo, seeing Kosh out of his encounter suit as something from their relgion does explain away at least some aspects of religion but then again, so do Swedish meatballs.
>>220918307Did you skip The Gathering?
>>220918339>They uplifted the vorta and created the jem hadar. Its perfectly fair for them to be worshipped as gods even without the founders implicity encouraging it as a means of control.It's still a purely scientific explantion. Maybe I should have said that the difference is Babylon 5 has metaphysics, while Star Trek does not.
>>220918361Cardassians don't have a religion. They used to but it's been lost.The Trill have some rituals for joined Trills to do but it's not really a religious thing.
>>220918246>There really isn't filler in season 1. Even in the episodes where nothing particularly important happens, there's generally still some great character moments that make the things that happen to them later much more meaningful>what if there was Muay Thai in space and it was called Mutai?To be fair though you're right as this episode did have a B plot about Ivanovas strained relationship with her family
>>220918246>Just don't let JMS make a rebootWhere have you been? He was given a reboot, and it was shortly afterwards cancelled before it started. He's constantly kvetching on social media and its no secret.. This happened around the time of that recent dtv cgi cartoon movie.Who knew JMS was so hard core into trannies? Delenn, Sense8.
>>220918361The point is DS9 is about alien religions made up for the show. It has nothing to say about human religion, which isn't something B5 is too scared to do.
>>220918371Apparently I did
>>220918423Studio notes usually are shit but JMS really was saved hard by PTEN telling him Delenn couldn't be a tranny.
>>2209184311990s JMS: respect all religionsModern JMS: openly hates & mocks Christianity.Honestly, something broke in him somewhere along the way. He's a total seething faggot who kept abandoning projects (Jeremiah, his comic projects, abandoned his own Thor run)It's amazing we got what we did, but looking back you can see a lot of signs.
One of the few times /tv/ let me down with a recommendation. The few kino moments between g'kar and mollari are not worth 4 seasons (I gave up after the shadow arc) of superficial social commentary, bad acting, cringe banter and uninspired visuals. At best it's a decent sleeper show on the level of Enterprise
>>220918372>Babylon 5 has metaphysics, while Star Trek does not.I think I know what you're saying but I'm autistic an would argue that trek has plenty of metaphysical episodes. I mean that is the whole point of "measure of a man." How do you define something that doesn't have a scientific definition or a clear cut way to quantify. Also a lot of the shadow/vorlon stuff shows that their gods are mostly just hyper-advanced ayy lmaos as well.
Can we all agree that the power rings were a bad idea and it's good we never saw them again?
>>220918478>starts working on capeshit like spiderman and thor>becomes a huge liberal faggot
>>220918478He had some bad impulses that were being moderated by cultural expectations of early 90s society. With that limiting factor gone, he was free to hook up with the Matrix trannies to explore all manner of bad idea. It's good that B5 was made when it was instead of him doing other projects and coming back to it a couple of decades later.
>>220918469It wasn't PTEN, the makeup and voice modulation in The Gathering wasn't workingSame with the blue skin the Mimbari were to originally have
>>220918469Yup. And I was there from the first showing of the pilot episode when they gave Delenn a horribly male-sounding altered voice over. I was glad when they ditched it (And Tamylin Tomita, HORRIBLE actress) when they went to series.
>>220918562>voice modulation in The Gathering wasn't workingIt was glaringly out of place and awful. And IIRC he said he'd originally wanted a male actor for the role.
REMINDER: JMS approved that horrendous scene in Legends of the Rangers with the girl shooting the guns in the ship. IYKYK.
>>220918417Also some background on Garibaldi, and an important bit of advice he gets from his friend and then doesn't follow.But even just on its face, I think the stuff about how humans are generally considered young intruders who don't understand all these alien cultures is important world-building. The League worlds are pretty resentful towards humanity for their rapid rise, even if they were very helpful with the Dilgar. It's arrogant for the Earth Alliance to just come out of nowhere not that long ago and declare themselves to be one of the five major powers, even if they do have the technology and numbers to back it up.>>220918423Yeah I know about the reboot, and the cancellation. I just really don't want it to get un-cancelled.
>>220918367Question on Kosh/Vorlon appearance:>At the end of S2 we see Kosh as like some humanoid angel>When they kill Ulkesh he comes out and like a jelly squidWas that supoposed to be his spirit or did they just rewrite their form?
>>220918562JMS has changed his story over the years. In reality, it probably was some of both, with it not being worth fighting the studio over when it was going to be difficult to accomplish anyway. All of this misses the point that he wanted space trannies back then but couldn't have them. Technical limitations, unless cost related, could have been overcome. Today? He not only could have them, the studio would demand them.
>>220918431Bajorans are heavily based on Christianity. Even their leaders are basically the pope and cardinals.
>>220918630What everyone saw after the explosion was more of a mental projection than a physical reality, at least that's my interpretation.
>>220918626>I just really don't want it to get un-cancelled.If it did he'd have to move back to the US I'd guess. He's trying so hard to get in with the BBC right now. Also, he's fuming again because he wasn't asked back to write a SpiderMan story for it's 1000th issue like other former writers, and one writer who never wrote Spidey before!Methinks JMS has burned too many bridges. He's talked before about how B5 was "dead" at WB due to certain executives, who's leaving opened the door for that CGI dtv movie, but honestly, by all accounts JMS is an absolute dick to work with. Just like his idol, Harlan Ellison was.Probably not as bad, but still. And again, abandoning his Thor run probably didn't ingratiate himself with Marvel after that.
>>220918448Okay, not the end of the world. So there was a pilot movie called The Gathering, that is supposed to be watched first. It came out a year before the show started properly. In between, some cast changes happened, and some props got changed, some make-up got changed, but the pilot movie is still canon and includes some very important information that comes up later, particularly with the characters that did continue on into the main series. You should watch it before getting too much deeper into season 1. They do start making references to The Gathering more and more as you go.
>>220918677If you wish to torture the subject to force your view of things, that's fine but don't expect much discussion on a B5 thread about your trek fandom.
>>220918667>JMS has changed his story over the years.He does tend to do that a bit, doesn't he?
>>220918667>the joke he made at a con where he convinced everyone on the bast g'kar was going to turn into a woman and fuck lando
>>220918739>fuck landoHow would Han & Leia react to that?
>Muh DS9 Stole from MEEEE!!!!!!!>Nevermind any similarity to Lensmen and Lord of the Rings! That was....homage! Yeah, that's the ticket! Homage!
>>220918630They're not fully corporeal and presumably some kind of weird Lovecraftian abomination in appearance. I think different minds just perceive them in different ways, maybe they only saw the weird jelly squid because it was a frightening experience and they were all scared.
>>220918521JMS wanted to make his own Lord of the Rings. I never put that together with that particular scene though. That's funny. She's Galadriel, I guess.Lots of problems with Delenn in The Gathering, a few good things, but the part about that scene that always got me was how poorly the head piece was glued on. Just sort of flopping around. G'Kar's make-up is also a bit weird. It's good they had the time after making the pilot to figure out what to fix. That's something modern TV is really lacking: a proper pilot system.
>>220918630the angel is how people are conditioned to see themthe squid is their corporeal form (their semi non-corporeal)a sort of 'tell' in the series is the advanced species ships all mimic their appearancethe Mimbari ships have their head bones and the blue skin originally intendedthe Vorlon ships look like cuttlefish just like the Vorlonthe Shadow ships look like black spider-crabs just like the Shadowsthe Centauri ships mimic their crescentsthe Narn ships mimic their mottled skin
>>220917879>Here's this entire story arc that sets me up for possibly future stories>loljk bye everyone
>>220918667>Delenn can become semi-human>Delenn cant transitionWhy?
>>220917879I don't care what you think.
>>220918521>power ringsWhat next?Rangers?Shadow Wraiths?...........oh.
>>220918738I haven't seen this except for his retcon of what happened with Michael O'Hare.Other actors have previously been blunt about his bad behavior and picking fights and sexually harassing an intern, then one day JMS retcons it that he was bravely battling schizophrenia
>>220918869Human Ships Giant hard cocks
>>220918780It's just a fact that DS9 writers were being fed stuff from the B5 show bible by the execs, even to the point where they were using the same fucking names. How much the writers were aware of this and just going along with it, or totally deceived and dutifully obeying directives, we'll never really know.But DS9 took those general concepts and did them in a Star Trek way. B5 did them in a B5 way. The shows are only cosmetically similar. I'm a fan of both and I think everyone makes too much of a fuss over it. It's not like B5 wasn't taking ideas from TOS and TNG all the time, when JMS was making the B5 show bible to start with. And he was very into LOTR and Arthurian legend of course and all the other anglophile shit.The DS9-stealing-from-B5 was not really any different from the usual Hollywood shenanigans anyway. Everyone's always fucking over each other in that town. There's a million examples.
Babylon 5 was damn good as it was, imagine if JMS had been given a real budget and less executive meddling
>>220918932I mean that does sound like typical schizo behavior
>>220918970>MISSES THE FUCKING POINTHe stole HARD and OFTEN himself, notably from Lensman and LOTR. He has literally no room to cry about others doing to him what he himself has done.Furthermore, I hate to plug him, but Jon Del Arroz on youtube did a spectacular breakdown on how DS9 DIDN'T steal from B5, including evidence of DS9's early designs pre-dating JMS's pitch.
>>220918932Flirting isn't a crime. Unless he forcibly raped her and convicted by a jury I don't care.
>>220918780Babylon 5: Commander Sinclair is a veteran of a major battle that has left him with PTSD, he will become a religious figure and lead a great war and ascend to a higher plain of existenceDS9: Commander Sisko is a veteran of a major battle that has left him with PTSD, he will become a religious figure and lead a great war and ascend to a higher plain of existenceYou can see parallels between Ivananova and Kira Nerys, Garibaldi and Odo (alcoholism?!), White Star and Defiant, etc
The only thing I dislike about the show is the complete silence of the station. It needed some engine sound or noise in the background to disguise the illusion that they filmed in a warehouse.
>>220919048You're way more emotionally invested in this than I can ever be. So consider yourself a winner of this "argument", Anon-I-was-trying-to-agree-with.
>>220919058oh another thingSinclair has a relationship with a shady xenoarchaeology prospectorSisko has a relationship with a shady freighter captain
>>220919068Sound = vibration = something terribly wrong with the ball bearings and the station is going to come to a screeching halt and kill all the artificial gravity, or the station is going to rip itself apart and everyone dies.
>>220919058Another faggot that misses the point. Jesus Christ. Illiterate faggots. Read this post >>220919048>>220919074I don't need you, your crying, or your "agreement"
>>220919058That's pretty reductive. Sinclair was a war hero that somehow survived the battle that was earth's last line of defense, and the conflict was ended amicably. Sisko was an officer dealing with the loss of his wife and faith in star fleet trying to raise his son while being saddled with administrating a station that is an absolute shit show politically while being irrelevant to the wider scope of things (until the worm hole is discovered, and it becomes the center of the galaxy) where he gets made an honorary space pope against his will and he's left to herd the cats with a hand tied behind his back.
>>220919058Black guy named Ben. Dukat as former leader of the genocidal bad guys. Leeta as hot red haired chick. Section 31/Bureau 13.
>>220919058season 1 of both shows had a xenoarchaeologist bring onto the station an ancient alien device that threatens to destroy ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-Lesshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infection_(Babylon_5)
>>220919111insults dont change those similarities>>220919121the nature of the war is ancilliary, their backgrounds are the same
>>220919058>You can see parallels between Ivananova and Kira Nerys,Um... Ivanova was created AFTER Kira.Wouldn't that be an example of B5 stealing from DS9?
>>220919170STILL missing the point. Holy shit you're retarded son!
>>220919196Not really, Ivanova is a reskin of the XO from the pilot>>220919223>facts dont matter
>>220919170>the sameThey're similar. The only way they're the same is if you're so reductive that you think "Former military officer running a base/outpost" isn't a stock-as-fuck protagonist backstory. And especially as the shows go on both characters diverge, like with Sinclair being replaced with a completely different character.
>>220919161
>>220919240You don't see character traits beyond "she's a woman", huh?
>>220919251it's not simply being militaryis veteran of a last stand battle that has left them scarred and questioning their purpose and directionthen they become religious figures, lead a great war, and ascend to a higher plain (will Sinclair was supposed to - ironically you can use DS9 to see some of the original intentions for B5)
>>220917879>itt
>>220917879>introduce tech priests with all kinds of heavy implications >the end of the episode is them fucking off forever to never be heard from again
>>220919308watch crusade
>>220917879Honestly yeah. telepath stories and ark could be so much better. But most characters in that part was lame and botched by sudden changes. And telepaths we like need to like is horrible fucking assholes. They even joined it into the main plot making so we care.
>>220919392The only thing I found the most amusing from all of it is the actor that played Byron is the TF2 Medic's voice.
>>220919350NEVERHEARD FROM AGAIN
>>220919420I didn't know that, that's cool.
>>220919392>ark>and then noah herded 2 of every telepath rank onto the ark
>>220917912One reactor who so far has only done a video for 'The Gathering' was going on about how much she loves XO Takashima, which made me chuckle knowing the character doesn't last. Same for many of her other takes that are obsolete as soon as the first episode.
>>220918711>>220918630didn't one of the characters say he saw nothing?
>>220919709It was Londo. Foreshadowing his future. Nice attention to detail.
>>220919709>>220920098being touched by the shadows prevented him from seeing it / receiving the vorlon manipulation
>>220919674Takashima was supposed to be the psicore mole and shoot Garibaldi at the end of season 1
>>220917879>Just finished it. Sleeping In Light was an amazing send off and got me good.I told you to be prepared for it. Am glad you enjoyed, it's an absolute all time favorite of mine.
>>220919308>40gayyep the normies have arrived
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-LbdDYVHXMI watch this tribute vid often. Great show.
>>220919058Grimjack also had a similar setup and JMS was supposed to make a TV show based on it at one point.
if i was going to rewatch all the scifi i have watched i would probably end it with babylon 5
>>220918622You mean when she was suspended in some circle and was flailing about and woing side and high kicks to fire them? Yeah i about died of cringe there like wtf am i even watching
>>220920620>mfw watching it live as it debuted on television still waiting for someone to post the webm.
>>220918622>>220920620>>220920679SARAH, CLEAR THE ROADhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZapAjjTDbh4
>>220920225cringe
>>220920774Yup, that's the one. What were they thinking..
>>220920774>We want the DBZ audience. Fucking kek!
>>220920774why would anyone think this is good
>MC actor literally goes schizo during the first season>manged to recoverthough thinking back on it a lot of the side characters really mogged sheridan
What Babylon 5 food do you want to eat? Difficulty: nothing resembling a Swedish meatball.
G'kar starting out as a Saturday morning cartoon villain to becoming a religious leader is the best shit ever.
>>220921012Nothing prepared by the Pak'ma'rah I can tell you that.
>>220921124His proposal to Lyta about fucking her to create Narn telepaths was quite something to behold considering he later wrote the Book of G'Kar.
>>220917879I actually got sad when Marcus died
>>220921240I like how lax JMS is with sexual stuff.
>>220917894Yeah the telepath stuff went on a bit too much.
>>220917879babylon 5 sex with david corwin
>>220918906cause it'd be gay
>>220921286Makes me wonder how that storyline would have played out if the series didn't have so much uncertainty around season five. Would it have played out over season four, with other storylines in addition to the main Shadow war storyline? It feels like the telepath war was given the burden of carrying season five because they simply were low on material.
>>220921357Season 4 was supposed to end on Sheridan in custody due to all the other subplots percolating away. The Earth Alliance civil war would have then continued into the first 4 episodes of season 5. The other stuff, the agents of the Shadows still around and the Mimbari civil war and the growing tension with Telepaths was jettisoned to make room for wrapping up the Earth Alliance civil war.Marcus is a victim of PTEN mix up plus Claudia Christians contract dispute.
>>220921354How? Delenn was changed on a genetic level to be semi-human - surely this would also be the case for changing gender?
>>220917879>every stephen episode was boringNah fuck you he was one the best actors on the show and , and Franklin had the most development of any supporting character.Walkabout was top ten.
Seems a bit odd that after a couple of tries, they gave up on having G'kar have an assistant. The show didn't seem to suffer from it but still have to wonder why they stopped trying or maybe that was the plan all along to make him feel more isolated during his persecution by the Centauri. Anyone read the books?
>>220921482Druggies stick together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnOxCIjOXls
>>220921357>>220921439My understanding is also that a lot of the minor subplots in season 5 were originally going to be in 4 or at least set up there but they got cut when they thought 4 was going to be the last season.
>>220920774Wew lad
>>220921629Julie's Na'Toth was perfect, I liked her and that char a lot, sham it didnt stay.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PmOjYHS_po
More of Catherine would have been welcomed but I guess once they had to write out Sinclair, it would have been weird to bring her back.
>>220920774ITs beautiful
>>220917879>Otherwise, very amazing kino show and I thank every anon who ever recommended it. You're welcome anon.I like to think you're the same anon I've encouraged to watch B5 (and to continue to watch) for the last half year.Also upon rewatch you'll realize that S2 is the best season. It combines the comfiness of a space station drama with a rising political plot without getting up its own arse.
>>220921482>WalkaboutIt was surprisingly good.I remember it from childhood thinking it would be boring or woke, but it was neither
>>220922796>wokesnowflake
>>220923131>The left using the right's lingo but only tens years too late.How's the memeing going along?
I will say, if you just watch the show and none of the movies, the Drakh in season 5 show up out of absolutely fucking nowhere which should be a crime in television writing.
Reminder, /tv/ is a green board. All purple must die.
Basedbylon 5
>>220922621One of the books is about her and Sinclair I think.
>>220918630Kosh appearing as an Angel is an active telepathic thing he has to do, it takes a lot of effort. His true form is the giant energy squid, which is what you see when the Vorlon in question isn't trying to force you to see anything that they genetically precondition you to.Londo saw a burst of light and a hint of something, but ultimately saw nothing.
>>220918720>by all accounts JMS is an absolute dick to work withSupposedly on set for B5 he would have a meltdown if actors tried to ad lib their lines because he thought it might change interpretations of a scene. He was definitely a pain in the ass.
>>220918877She got an offer for NYPD Blue that would be paying 4x as much. Would be dumb not to take it.
>>220924534Plus NYPD Blue is a real TV show.
>>220924524He has ASD.
>>220924524That's fair. No different to an architect being upset when a builder puts a wall in the wrong place because they think it looks better
>>220924570You can be annoyed but shouting at an actor over it is a bit over the top.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MY SHOES ARE TOO TIGHT
>>220925071>zoomzooms will never understand>nor should they
>>220917879should have finished Crusade. and maybe do a Technomage spinoff.LEXX was superior if Season 2 was the real ending.
>>220924552You'd think by his current age he'd contain it. Though it funny to think he does come off as CWC and B5 is his Sonichu Universe.
>>220917962I remember liking two of the movies. The one where Garibaldi is building a secret space ship for Sheridan? I think it's call to arms but not sure
>>220918877She was married to Garibaldis actor for two years
>>220923496Ehhh, there was mention of the shadows having 'allies' throughout here and there, like the ones who do that abduction and mental probing, can't remember exactly but yeah, it was kind of there. JMS just hid the Drakh till the very end, whick does kinda suck because they were sorta cool but meh.
>>220926525Yeah, that's the lead in movie to the Crusade series and yeah, it was pretty good.
>>220926577Honestly surprised. From my understanding Jerry Doyle was also an ass on set and JMS wrote Garibaldi's alcoholism based off of Doyle's Makes sense when you consider alcohol was involved in how Doyle died.
>>220918140>The Citadel Project was our last, best hope for peace.
>>220926694yeah jms really wanted to help him get sober the same way he was desperate to help michael o'hare with his mental health, but doyle was just nah fuck that I like drinking. I think it added another level to the performances in his scenes with jeff conaway (zack) talking about garibaldi's problems, since he had massive addiction problems too but was sober at the time.
>>220918478>Modern JMS: openly hates & mocks Christianity.>Honestly, something broke in him somewhere along the way.he's muslim isn't he?
