They bought it from a white slaver who did more damage to it than Disney ever could have dreamed of

The only fuckup here is you my friend. The Star Wars franchise is still going strong and Disney has done an incredible job at exceeding expectations of their audience every movie. Just because you can't enjoy something doesn't mean the fault lies with the movie, the fault lies with you because you are a grouch allergic to fun.
I understand if you don't like Star Wars, but just because you can't like it doesn't make it bad.

>>220927466
They hate Star Wars and their fans who are mostly white men and they don't even try to hide this, they killed the franchise on purpose.

>>220927486

A white slaver?

Please elaborate.

>>220927533
this
it's chuds who can't handle women existing
the only reason they liked the OT is because the entire trilogy had like 2 women (leia and mon mothma)

>>220927466
they made the force female when it was always unisex also bad writing also george already killed it

>>220927466
>what’s 2+2
>inb4 4, give me a real answer
Since eyou’re an idiot, let me make it clear. The sequels made money due to the initial marketing blitz causing a honeymoon period, then coasted on momentum by people just getting it over with.
Their absolutely abhorrent content, and Disney’s utter refusal to accept accountability and recognise their flaws (no, RoS doesn’t count, that was them accepting fans hated TLJ, not accepting they actually fucked up) created an atmosphere where they faced an uphill battle to gain goodwill.
Since they then fucked up almost every tv show, that uphill battle because a mountaineering war, making even the former die hard fans assume any disney product will be shit until proven otherwise.
The dirty bomb that is the ST will be studied for generations to come

>>220927466
There are like eight fucking Star Wars threads on the catalog right now. Jannies need to make a containment board for you faggots.

>>220927640
You could just…not look at them.

>hire Michael Arndt to work from Lucas's notes
>unhappy Arndt (screenwriter knowing for being excellent but slow) is being slow
>bin everything and hire JJ instead
>unhappy JJ (screenwriter known for trash mystery boxes) wrote trash mystery box plot
What did they expect?

>>220927466
>Set out to make a trilogy with zero plan
>Discontinued the plethora of extended material to avoid paying chump change in royalties
>Ignored the video game market. This was massive for keeping fans invested as well as generating revenue
>Refused to move on Kennedy despite repeated massive failures
>Told the rusted-on fans to go fuck themselves

>>220927732
Prequals were pretty much saved by the TV show and games. Lego Star wars, kotor, clone wars 2003/3d, empire at war, dark forces, Republic commando.
I actually now really like the prequal era for everything but the actual movies.
All the sequels got was Jedi survivor, they really could have used another kotor game and a fps

>>220927696
>hire Michael Arndt to work from Lucas's notes
untrue

>>220927466
You can't minimise how crazy, laughable and even unthinkable it would have seemed 10 years ago that a Star Wars film would get mogged by a smaller film like Backrooms when Star Wars was historically the biggest film franchise of all time (until the Marvel Cinematic Universe overtook it, but even the Marvel Cinematic Universe has been in decline for quite a while now).

>>220927887
The meme movie did better than a literal who side story of 3 episodes stitched together
Woah stop the presses, next you're going to tell me nobody cared about the holiday special either

>>220927544
Correct, but no-one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.

>>220927640
Why don't you go contain yourself instead? /lgbt/ is right around the corner. you'd fit in just fine like a fish in the ocean

>white handsome and charming protagonist
>has struggles but manages in the end
>hot and cute women
>actual talented writers, preferably one. not a room full of millennial diversity hires
>pew pew pew
There, I could have made you billions, Disney.

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>>220927466
Not hiring competent people.
When they tried to do it, they did picrelated, which completely moggs both Sequels and TCW-fanservice.

>>220927845
>kotor
>Prequals

They fucked up by making a trilogy without any plan or storyline

>>220928006

True.

>>220927991
Prequal era Anon
The time period that the prequal movies were coming out. Learn how to read instead of looking for gotchas.
Games like kotor are obviously not related to them in story but it helped keep star wars in the public mind during that time

>>220928028
i got it
you made a lot of sense

>>220927466
I don't think you can point to one single thing that fucked everything up, despite how much politically brained simpletons love to view everything in such a binary light.

TFA fucked up a lot of things by resetting the status quo, barely adding anything new to the setting for side media to build upon, and relying heavily on mystery box speculation. But it had enough goodwill (hence why TLJ did great in the box office) that VIII & IX could've saved it, but while I think jaded Luke is the one decent Disney Wars idea, that shit was not going to fly with lightsaber loving manchildren so combined with the other controversial decisions like throwing out all the mystery box bullshit, pink haired Laura Dern girlboss, the complete waste of time subplot, etc. and then RoS shitting on the few people who liked TLJ and now you have an utter mess where no one is happy.

The safest option at this point is to just decanonize the sequel trilogy.

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>>220927558
>Please elaborate?
No

>>220928056
>The safest option at this point is to just decanonize the sequel trilogy.
That would piss off ST fans for very little gain

>>220928095
>That would piss off ST fans for very little gain
All 30 of them? Who gives a shit?

>>220928095
TFA fans were OT boomers who already got shat on by TLJ.
TLJ fans already got shat on by ROS.
ROS fans don't exist.

>>220928056
I wholeheartedly agree with you.

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>How?
The force became female. You wouldn't understand

>>220927466
>inb4 the actual reason
lol

>>220928095
Just do an in-universe reset with time travel.

>>220927466
Everyday I get more disheartened by the seeming extreme lack of crucial thinking on display from 99% of people.
You're asking why a movie in a series everyone hates did bad while dismissing how shit the last movies were.

Put your thinking cap on here bud - why would people go see a movie in series they hated the last time it came out in theaters?

>>220927969
Rogue One is trash

>>220927466
>>inb4 the sequels
Yes, the sequels. They're actual shit and are guilty of all the sins that the OT and PT are accused of.

>>220928095
>>220928176
I actually agree. Declaring the sequels to be non-canon isn't going to make people suddenly start trusting Disney Wars again. The Acolyte was the complete opposite end of the timeline and also fucking sucked. I'm sure there are people who think "the sequels as movies sucked but I liked a lot of their ideas" and they'll be disgruntled if you just throw all that out and never tried to expand on it with anything new, so they'll go from having 30 fans to 0.

>>220927466
Two things. First is that the movies they make are desperate fan movies. They are too self-conscious because there are too many pockets, so these movies come out awkward, badly paced, too general, and trying to please too people at once. They are, in other words, reactionary movies. The pivot to television was also a bad move because it asks people to do something they don't want to do for the most part. Which brings me to the second point, their movie releases were coincident with increasing exhaustion toward comic book bullshit, as well as "extended universe" or whatever. While Star Wars has been a lot of things since 1977, and I knew kids in school who only really liked those gay novels, it is ultimately the work of a single man. The movies aren't going to work unless the franchise has a polestar.

>>220928637
I saw it at the movies. I have literally no recollection of it. I don't remember the main character's name. Or the name of any character. I couldn't tell you the story line. I don't remember a single line. I think there was a cgi Darth Vader in it, but I couldn't tell you what he was doing. It's like my brain decided to throw it straight into the trash. And set it on fire.

>>220927466
Ignored the EU.

>>220927558
>A white slaver?
>
>Please elaborate.

It's from an interview with Lucas. You can look it up. It's a pretty funny thing to say about making a billion dollars.

>>220927466

For one Disney never had anywhere to go from the OT. All arcs were already closed. Furthermore SW cinematographic identity was already established by it. Disney either failed to understand these things or purposely chose to go against them. As a result they made something that´s not SW at all (even if the shallow use of some elements like light sabers and space wizards make them seem similar on the surface).

Due to those choices their only chance at victory was to actually do better than SW. Not only did they spectacularly fail at that but what they managed to make is bad even as self contained stand alone media. The movies are just not good independently of the brand. At this point what they are making has more in common with Rebel Moon than with SW and, after 20 years, there is just no way to fix it. SW just doesn´t have a big friendly reset button like the MCU has.

>>220929001
>For one Disney never had anywhere to go from the OT. All arcs were already closed.
This idea that Return of the Jedi was the eternal victory of good over evil for all time was a retcon to justify the Space Jesus prophecy, another prequel retcon. In the original cut of RotJ there's nothing even to imply that the war is over and the Empire is defeated.

You don't have to like Disney Wars but to pretend there was nowhere to go after RotJ is ludicrous

>>220927911
>i-it wasnt even supposed to be good!
>we already knew nobody was going to watch it, really!
>come on we kept the budget a scant $165 million (before tip and marketing)
lol

>>220929145
Yeah, for all it's faults, the EU at least shows all the potential for telling more stories after RotJ.

>>220927911
Woah, a new cope just dropped. And it's even more unhinged than usual. Nice.

>>220929145
The end of the Empire doesn't imply the end of conflicts. A good idea would have been to have the New Republic and the Luke's jedi order struggling with systems accepting the new direction of the Galaxy, and the political shift happening, while other new factions try to take apart pieces of the Galaxy while the political shift happens. All these could be done while behind the shadows various, isolated sith cults plot on their planets, all of them hiding during the Empire because they knew the Emperor would try to wipe them out.

>>220927969
both shit

>>220929145

It´s the same with or without prophecy because the arcs are closed. SW is not about the galaxy. It´s about the story and it´s characters. It´s about Luke becoming a Jedi and restoring his father, about Leia restoration of the republic, about Han getting the girl. The galactic war is just the frame for that story. Once the story is done it´s done.

SW itself is self aware of this and uses story telling language to present the events. It literally starts with a big wall of text saying "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." before introducing the audience to the events. It uses visible visual transitions and all kind of stylized forms of imagery and all the characters are pretty much from the book archetypes.

So you see SW is a fable, the universe itself is not the point of it. It´s not an MCU thing. That´s just not what SW is.

>>220929404
>[unfathomably loud incorrect buzzer]

>>220929404
This is all prequelfag cope used to justify Space Jesus Vader which was motivated by merchandising lol

>>220929361
I’m still staggered to this day by the fact they decided to immediately write the empire self destructing due to a post death contingency from the emperor, which amounted to him throwing a tantrum and breaking all of his toys.
Even disregarding the stupidity in writing most of the imperial commanders actually did it (something even disney realised was too stupid not to retcon) or that Palpatine even considering he’d lose is just moronic, the idea of just casually torpedoing any potential stories they could use was pants on head retarded of disney.