>>220936154
Messed up that even tho he’s a man, Johnny mogs her while nude & gets spanked by the hot black chick.

This is a bad movie and it annoys me how popular its become in the past year or two.

>>220936154
>mixed showers
could this work or there would be too much rape?

>>220936252
Nudist beaches exist without mayor incidents, mixed showers shouldn't be that different, people just get used to the nudity of both genders

>>220936154
>>horrible fascist dictatorship
>>is so safe and egalitarian that military has coeducational showers
>makes no sense
It makes a lot of sense, actually.

I really thought Top Gun 2 and an actual Iranian war would clue kids into what this was about. Apparently not.

>>220936238
It’s abysmal & the third movie is insanely woke lol. Lead actor hates the unironic fan base with the exception of military vets.

>>220936238
This. It could have been way better. Mostly if they made the action better.

>>220936252
it's a part of the discipline. if there's rape, then the instructors have not done their job right.

but we also see trainees get killed, so there's probably a lot of rape after all

>>220936154
>>horrible fascist dictatorship
>>is so safe and egalitarian that military has coeducational showers
That's literally the only way they would be safe

>>220936252
I come from Buenos Aires and I say: rape them all!

>>220936252
>there would be too much rape?

No, there would be too much consensual sex and pregnancy.

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was dressing Barney in a nazi uniform too on the nose?

>>220936252
>could this work or there would be too much rape?
what do you think would happen? you know gay men exist and are hyper promiscuous right? do you think no gay men take showers in places like gyms with other men? where's all the rape happening there?

>>220936277
Most brainraped man alive.

>>220936154
The point of the scene is to say that everyone is considered equal (cannon fodder). It's a critique of totalitarian systems and/or corporate "we pretend to care about equality and rights but only as long as it makes us more money" types.

>>220936375
They rape the kids.

>>220936375
This, only reason we dont have mixed showers is because of women complaining about male gaze (as if they weren't going to get an eyeful of dicks themselves)

>>220936276
This, any unwarranted actions will results in straight up public executions. I think that's a good reason as any not to rape your fellow soldiers especially if it's off earth.

>>220936252
toilets stopped being segregated by race because that's incredibly hateful and just plain wrong
so it's not impossible, but for sure not in our lifetimes

>>220936252
Women barely tolerate men gazing at them on the streets, now imagine letting them watch them naked in the showers too

>>220936238
As an adaptation of the book it's bad but as a stand alone movie it's a serviceable sci-fi cult classic. Should've just been called Bug Hunt at outpost 9 like it was originally intended.

>>220936469
>toilets stopped being segregated by race
with some luck we might bring this one back

>>220936276
I think lower crime is just an objective benefit of any authoritarian society. There's a reason why almost every society in ancient history punished crime severely, it works. You get other problems like prosecuting innocent people but that's the trade off at the end of the day.

>>220936399
You should really go be a Slate writer if you just want to hang around on the internet and write marxist critiques all day.

>>220936585
I think civilisation would collapse before do, maybe even because of that very issue, so it's a moot point

>>220936154
>horrible fascist dictatorship
where is that in the movie? this scene is evidence *against* that point, hitler certainly wouldn't have let male soldiers fraternize with female ones like this. there wouldn't even be female soldiers in a fascist dictatorship.

>>220936154
You're just a faggot American. There are plenty of mixed naked spaces

>>220936238
That movie has been legendary for a long, long time. Surprised people in the last few years even heard of it

The movie is much better than the book and it's more progressive to boot. Another Verhoeven kino. Heinlein wrote a boring slop.

>>220936633
>see american movie casted with american actors, made in america
>hah! the americans could never do this
why are you like this?

>>220936375
this is one of the reasons I'll never feel THAT bad for gay people. It's like when you were a teenager growing up, imagine being able to sneak into the girl's locker room every day to spy on the hot chicks, except there's no sneaking around at all you just get a front row seat. Ditto with any gyms, pools, any place with a public shower or changing rooms. Literally every kid's fantasy growing up and they just get to live it every day.

>>220936276
>>220936302
With the government in Starship Troopers, my only tahs away was the only military vets get to vote, which is an idea I am intrigued by. Especially now that I see only veterans get to vote and hold office. Active military can't vote either, only vets

The government in Starship Troopers is the United Citizen Federation (or Terran Federation), a veteran-led, constitutional republic. Its defining feature is a strict separation between Citizens and Civilians. While everyone enjoys basic civil rights and protections, only those who complete a term of Federal Service earn the right to vote and hold political office

Democratic Process: The state operates as a representative democracy. Citizens vote for their leaders—such as the global Sky Marshal and the legislative Federal Council. Ironically, active-duty military personnel are barred from voting while serving to prevent political bias.

Individual Rights: Under this system, personal laws are notably few, taxes are low, and the system is not actively oppressive to everyday civilians.

>>220936609
NTA but he's right. The point of the movie is to show that humans are no better than the bugs. In the movie, the humans are also mindlessly obedient to authority, violent and even wage war with human wave frontal assaults...just like the bugs. Every human soldier is lightly armed and wear next to nothing armor, indicating that they are expendable. No ground artillery or fighting vehicles were allocated to the Klendatu assault. War is shown as a way to keep the populace obedient. It is even hinted that the initial asteroid strike on Buenos Aires was a false flag.
>but but but muh novel
Veerhoven probably got the studio to buy the rights to prevent from being sued.

>>220936154
It's mean to highly erotic, yes. The erotic passion and agony of the body. The whipping scene was more criticised though.

>>220936784
>The point of the movie is to show that humans are no better than the bugs.
What part of the movie led you to think that? Was the opposite for me

>>220936784
The point of the movie is to glorify fascism and war as erotic. Everything else that has been said is pure handwaving to distract and excuse that fact. The book is YA garbage and completely unerotic.

>>220936784
>No ground artillery or fighting vehicles were allocated to the Klendatu assault.
This was the biggest problem with the film. Retarded to attack bugs with small arms infantry.

>>220936695
Is getting to go into the girls lockerroom that much of a perk to you? Wouldn't mean much to me because I'm not a pervert

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>>220936796
*The whipping scene was more eroticised though

>>220936822
>point of the movie is to glorify fascism
I think youre just retarded. That literally had nothing to do with the movie

>>220936834
>>220936822
>>220936816
>>220936784
you're all wrong. the movie is about satirizing contemporary american society from an outsider's perspective. just like Verhoeven's Robocop.

>>220936873
Right, now we are getting a replay that isn't completely retarded.

>>220936154
The principle is to summon erotic energy and direct its surplus into war. An orgy of sex and violence, war and the army as passion performance.

>>220936873
No, this is cope. Its a film that intends to glorify facism and war as deeply erotic and sensual and it succeds in doing so. The profound eroticism of the film is entirely Verhoeven's creation: there is none in the book (which is vastly inferior and not very good even by genre fiction standards).

>>220936858
literally how did you miss the fact that the more violence happens in the movie the more erotic things get? rico and his girl only get together because of violence, because their actual desired people die. and they only bang in the middle of a war zone. the movie is ALL about sex and violence
even in the beginning with the football game, winning (doing violence better) is associated with bagging the girl, kissing, and ultimately sex

>>220936822

The 1997 film Starship Troopers is a brilliant, dark satire. Rather than a straightforward, pro-military action flick, director Paul Verhoeven used the film to mock fascism, blindly obedient militarism, and propaganda

Mocking Propaganda: The movie features in-universe propaganda broadcasts that mimic the visual style of Nazi-era propaganda, complete with the catchy, insidious catchphrase, "Would you like to know more?"

The Dehumanization of the Enemy: Just like historical fascist regimes dehumanized their enemies as "vermin" to make killing them easier, the human government in the film paints the alien "bugs" as brainless pests—encouraging a total war of extermination.

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Did this happen in the book? What happened to her? Was she taken to the brain bug?

>>220936373
He was so perfect in this role and looked so look in that uniform

>>220936858
The intention of the novel was to glorify anti-communist militarism and the film is vastly more successful at achieving that aim by adding romance, sensuality, eroticism, and fraternity to the plot. Where Heinlein is juvenile, boring, and didactic, the film is erotic, passionate, and deeply attractive, and does a far better job at selling the proposal, which it does earnestly and successfully.

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>>220936469
>Implying racial segregation was "wrong"

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>>220936978
>insidious catchphrase, "Would you like to know more?"
How is inquiry insidious?

>>220937041
>replying to AI spam

>>220936978
Directed by Paul Verhoeven—who grew up in the Nazi-occupied Netherlands

Gestapo-Esque Uniforms: As the film progresses and the stakes get higher, the intelligence officers (like Neil Patrick Harris’s character) transition into uniforms that are visually identical to Nazi SS officers.

"FedNet" Propaganda: The film interrupts the plot with absurd, commercial-style newsreels that urge citizens to "do their part". These broadcasts sanitize war, encourage children to gleefully stomp on bugs, and celebrate a system where only military veterans have the right to vote.

Dehumanizing the "Other": The fascist tactic of dehumanizing enemies is taken to a sci-fi extreme. Humans refer to the alien Arachnids (the bugs) as mindless "vermin"—the exact language used by totalitarian regimes to strip their enemies of human rights.

Glorification of Violence: The movie satirizes the idea that war naturally builds character. Characters suffer horrific, mutilating casualties, yet the system propagandizes these losses to recruit even more brainwashed teenagers.

>>220936754
You don't have to overthink it. Heinlein is just trying to solve the problem of how the get the American public to support a land war against communism in Korea and China (the "bugs") in the 1950/60s. His answer is a state with a limited franchise and that is orientated towards welfare and spoils for soldiers.

>>220937011
>looked so look in that uniform
agreed, very look he was

>>220936784
>Every human soldier is lightly armed and wear next to nothing armor, indicating that they are expendable. No ground artillery or fighting vehicles were allocated to the Klendatu assault.
You only see what you want to see. In the book the soldiers wear power armor that is much, much more effective than tanks and artillery. Even if you discard that huge, gaping hole in your argument as "muh book" there are plenty of reasons in the movie for not providing vehicle or artillery support. It's shown and mentioned repeatedly that the humans underestimated the fighting capabilities of the bugs and weren't expecting the heavy resistance they encountered. They also had air support and bombed the shit out of Klendathu before deploying mobile infantry. Once on the ground and realizing they were wrong, they evacuated soldiers, sacrificing additional ships to do so, why do that if they are expendable? There are also logistic concerns about the effectiveness of artillery against bugs who live underground, and using tanks that would not be able to fit or navigate the underground tunnels. In addition, why deploy artillery in a campaign that is meant to be a smash-and-dash where you aren't establishing a front or home base, bombing runs would make much more sense and that is exactly what they did. And yet you take this one little piece of information (no tanks no artillery) and immediately it must mean that it was all a false flag and they were all expendable blah blah blah. Too much media literacy for you I guess.

>>220937031
It is what it is, I just find it fascinating that discriminating against half of all people is somehow not as bad as discriminating against a fraction of them

>>220936987
The soldiers in the novel fight as lone individuals hundred of metres apart from each other. There is no battlefield comradery or witnessing other soldiers interactions with the enemy. The novel uses this as chance to wank off about magic battlesuits and robodog tech.

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>>220937066
Director Paul Verhoeven uses Starship Troopers as a biting satire of a hyper-militaristic, fascist society. The film achieves this critique by masquerading as a heroic sci-fi adventure, all while using iconic Nazi aesthetics, relentless propaganda, and the systemic dehumanization of an alien enemy to expose the inherent dangers of fascist ideology.

Heroic Propaganda: The film's "Would You Like to Know More?" newsreels directly parody Leni Riefenstahl’s Nazi propaganda film Triumph of the Will. Verhoeven deliberately cast handsome, clean-cut, soap-opera actors (like Casper Van Dien) to evoke the "Aryan" youth ideals historically glorified in fascist imagery.

Manufactured Conflict: The film subtly reveals that human colonists—ignoring previous warnings—provoked the initial attacks by expanding into the Arachnids' territory. By framing the bugs as the aggressors, the government maintains a state of permanent war to keep its militaristic society in power.

Citizenship and Democracy: Voting and civil rights are exclusively tied to military service, with civilians derided as second-class citizens or cowards. The government forces children to handle firearms and openly broadcasts live executions to instill absolute compliance.

>>220936784
>>220937139
The purpose of the soldiers deaths in the film is to eroticise sacrifice and torture of the body as passionate and sensual, to glamorise and glorify dying in battle.

>>220936838
for a 13-year old kid growing up and going through puberty, absolutely it is a huge perk and you are just lying if you pretend it's not. It would take an astronomical amount of bullying for it to not be worth it

>>220937142
Heinlein wrote the novel to campaign for a land war in China against communism. You need East Asian allies for that. The bad Asians are "the bugs" (i.e. "the gooks" of the Korean war) doing human wave attacks, the good Asians are the ones fighting communism. Verhoeven dispensed with this and made all the soldiers explicitly Nordic.

>>220937206
I'm not lying brother. You need to understand we all aren't perverts like you. Even when I was a dumb kid or a peak horny teenager,if I had to use the girls room and shower i am going to ignore the chicks, look away from them
This is easy for people that were well raised and that aren't perverts

>>220936272
>mayor incidents
Hola

>>220937265
You're just ragebaiting or gay.

>>220936238
>>220936641
It got popular again because of Helldivers 2

Fascism is so undeniable good in this movie that people have to create the false flagging conspiracies in order to make them look bad

>>220937306
You're an idiot if you think the bugs launched the rock at Beunos Aires

>>220937289
I am a little upset that you are such a pervert, yes. I'm guessing you didn't have a sister so you never learned to be respectful around women. People without a sister are the ones prone to being perverts

>>220937191
there is no inherent purpose of death just as there is no inherent purpose of life, which leaves us to interpret our own meaning; clearly you view the purpose of their death as some sort of message about war and battle, others may see it differently

>>220937325
Ragebaiting, got it.

>>220936154
Her mournful tits stopped any of the guys being able to get a boner so no one raped anyone

>>220937336
At least you're not into little kids. Right?

>>220936784
>It is even hinted that the initial asteroid strike on Buenos Aires was a false flag.
Total falsehood headcanon for which you can provide zero evidence
Post disregarded

>>220937265
when would you ever find yourself in a situation as a kid or teenager where you would have to shower with girls? Do you also close your eyes during nude scenes in movies out of respect?

>>220937265
Eunuchs have no place in the Verhoeven Reich. Be gone helot.

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Every time someone mentions Starship Troopers on 4chan, I feel obligated to say Paul Verhoeven is a midwit.

>>220937323
there is more evidence in the movie for the fan theory that the asteroid was accidentally re routed by carmen when she reprogrammed the navigation route in the ship than there is for it being a false flag

>>220937306
Exactly. You can criticize fascism and militarism and bring those critiques to the film, but none of those are made by the film itself.
>ummm askshully it isn't deeply erotic and awesome to be maimed and killed in battle
Okay, and where does the film say that as it eroticises and glamourises self-sacrifice and valiant death in battle?

>>220937290
This.

>>220937364
The bugs would have had to launched the asteroid almost a million years before the humans made contact if they actually sent it.

>>220936154
You people are so fucking stupid. It’s actually embarrassing how much you fags misinterpret this movie. The whole POINT is that this is actually a libtarded egalitarian society full of race mixing, DEI, women in military, sexual fluidity, etc. Verhoeven was showing how such a society like this (which increasingly resembles ours) could still end up embracing military fascism once these people end up without any real meaning in their coddled societies. This is why Rico joins the military after not knowing what to do with his life after graduating. The idea is that the modern would have to invent wars and conflicts just to have these people serve a function

>>220937394
yes, but he is MY midwit. Everything he does is mostly kino. Midwit kino

>>220937327
The battlefield deaths in the film have a creative/literary purpose and are constructed to achieve that. They are absolutely there to glorify the tearing apart of the human body as sensual and valorous, and that "dulce et decorum est pro patria mori".

>>220936238
>in the past year or two
this movie was popular before you were born

>>220937265
Low T

>>220936784
>the leftists are sympathizing with literal insects again

>>220937367
I had a little sister that lived in the room next to me the whole time I grew up including as a horny teenager that was wanking it 5 times a day. When my parents left me in charge I could have leered at her and molested her as I pleased. Anyone with a sister can. Could have easily found ways to have her walk around naked and help her change. Etc

But you don't do that shit because you're not a pervert. If my sister was showering in a girl's shower you had to use i would hope you'd keep your eyes of her and any other girls in there like a decent human being

Have you guys every gone outside in your lives? Ever had a gf? You start all this pervert shit of eyeing and leering at every sexy girl in your presence you're going to be looked at as a low life by everyone

>>220936154
This reminds me of the shower scene from 2001 movie The Hole with Keira Knightley. Has anyone else seen that?

>>220937439
false
the bugs are clearly capable of FTL/wormhole travel/some form of spanning great distances just as humans can, otherwise the bugs wouldn't have been able to travel to and destroy Zeguma Beach (a human vacation spot) within the short time frame of Rico's enlistment

god-tier jawline

>>220936633
who's gayer? my money is on the people that see naked members of the opposite sex and DON'T get a bonner

>>220936816
The characters are literally retarded zogbots dude. How could you miss this obvious parallel between the humans and bugs

>>220937533
They are literally never shown to be capable of such feats. The movie makes it clear that they have no intelligence beyond survival in the moment, and NPH's character even said it's offensive to suggest the bugs were capable of any level of intelligence.
For them to know where Earth is and launch the asteroid through a wormhole flies in the face of everything we're taught about the bugs.

>>220937467
Kino

>>220937453
No. That point is standard teenage angst ripped straight from the YA tropes in Heinleins YA novel: "what will I do when a graduate?" The film gives them the compelling and affirmative answer: the glory of fascist war. Verhoeven further makes all the main characters in the film explicitly Nordic, which they are not in the novel (Rico is revealed to be Filipino 2/3rds the way in so Heinlein can praise an anti-communist general from the Philippines, but race has no role in the novel other than "the bugs" being a transparent euphamism for the communist Chinese committing human wave attacks in the Korean war, "bugs" = ”gooks").

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I thought it was just a movie about killing aliens

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>>220936252
Starship Troopers is a high trust society so it works. IRL it would not work as you can't really trust anyone.

>>220937598
Just like anons thought the USA Government was going to reveal space aliens only for the site to go "Lol, aliens are amongst us, they're illegal immigrants, let's send them back to Mexico!"

>>220937576
>The movie makes it clear that they have no intelligence beyond survival in the moment
the drones are relatively stupid compared to humans
the teacher near the beginning says that the bugs can 'colonize planets by hurling their spore into space', which in order to be done in any reasonable time frame requires some form of extremely fast travel
>and NPH's character even said it's offensive to suggest the bugs were capable of any level of intelligence.
he absolutely did not, that was the goofy-looking dude on the talk show
you clearly don't know what you're talking about

>>220937598
It is. Humans good, aliens bad.

>>220936154
The entire movie is a propaganda movie for the empire, they want you to be like
>Wow! If I enlist, I'll get to shower with hot chicks!
It doesn't have to make sense past that

>>220937576
The bugs are the Chinese of the Korean war, and their level of dehumanised intelligence and cunning, or lack thereof, depends on your views of Chinese military capability. Compare how Japanese were portrayed in WW2. Heinlein needed them to be both inhuman and inferior, but also cunning and capable.

>>220937513
I think you're the one with issues man. You keep equating sneaking into the girl's locker room which every teenager has fantasized about at least once to raping your little sister, as if they are even remotely close to the same thing. In particular the thought about how you could have easily molested her or found ways to have her walk around naked when you were left in charge, and that anyone can do it, is extremely disturbing. I have a sister too and I didn't do any of that shit not because I'm not a pervert but because it never even crossed my mind, as it shouldn't for any normal person, again that's an extremely dark place to take it to. And yet you keep bringing up your little sister in multiple posts; I think you should see a therapist about those repressed thoughts you are having before you get put on a list.

>>220937634
For the bugs to be smart enough to launch an asteroid through a wormhole and knowing where Earth is, it would clearly demonstrate the authoritarian government sending its people into meat grinders is lying to its population. At which point you should ask yourself
>What else might they be lying about
The only other explanation is false flag.

>>220937654
Yes, it's an earnest glorification of fascism and war as erotic and desirable. Whatever criticism of fascism and war you have, you can bring those to the film, but the film never makes any of those criticisms.

>>220936469
It's "wrong" if its pro-white
Its "progressive" if its anti-white
Thats what its all been about
Non-white/liberal white hatred

>>220937700
I think if you are a mentally ill western liberal, it'll just go without saying

>>220937681
I'm not even going to read your filth because you're arguing:

1) it's ok for straight guys to go into a bathroom with girls and check them out

2) it's ok for gay guys to do the same with guys

You would get your ass kicked for either
You people are all disgusting perverts with no human decency
Same with you two:
>>220937505
>>220937371

>>220937700
>Yes, it's an earnest glorification of fascism and war as erotic and desirable.
Based.

>>220937699
>For the bugs to be smart enough to launch an asteroid through a wormhole and knowing where Earth is, it would clearly demonstrate the authoritarian government sending its people into meat grinders is lying to its population
you mean the government that outright states in the 'would you like to know more' videos that the bugs are sending meteors to Earth, which are being guarded against by planetary defenses?
just stop, retard

>>220937143
You were supposed to say no, she was taken to the rape bug

>>220936154
>the director just wanted to see this chick naked
>Paul Verhoeven
anon...

>>220937740
He is completely correct. The movie is intentionally showing a fascist society in a glamorous way that’s amicable with our current liberal society. It’s a Hollywood propaganda movie for a war that doesn’t exist.

>>220937755
I'm serious man, if you keep those feelings of yours bottled in like that they're eventually going to burst out in a way that really hurts you and the ones around you. If not for your own sake, do it for your little sister, or the kids that you could end up victimizing if it gets any worse.
2) already happens every day by the way, that was the whole point of this discussion before you turned it into an exposition about your repressed sexual urges towards your sister

>>220937854
Again I'm not reading your disgusting filth because you're arguing:

1) it's ok for straight guys to go into a bathroom with girls and check them out

2) it's ok for gay guys to do the same with guys

You would get your ass kicked for either

You're a shitty low life person that needs the ever living shit kicked out him daily until you stop with your perverted thoughts

Non-negotiable to me. I'm not going to read any filth you want to write because I'm dead set on this

>>220937801
He’s straight

>>220937740
Look if fascism is too loose a term and "no-no bad" for you, then you could say its glorifying a wartime government, militarist democracy, a New Sparta/Rome, or whatever. The same millitarist war machine could implement any economic program, it's going to be very welfare-orientated to ex-soldiers. Perhaps it could be imagined as Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism but where everyone decides to use their newly acquired leisure time to fight interplanetary wars because it's such a sexy and fun thing to do?

the aspect that all you guys are missing is that Paul Verhoeven is a very Dutch man. Eroticism and black humour are core traits of the dutch boomer artfag. The movie is clearly making fun of the book, and the joke in playing it straight and over the top is that Verhoeven and his boomer friends can laugh at the mouthbreathing Americans who will come to watch cool explosions and attractive heroes without ever examining what the themes are actually implying. The guy talking about how the movie glorifies facism is right in a way, because this is what the movie is directly stating.

When watching Dutch cinema one must always expect the pretension.

A sexually moral fascist state would never be possible without the added ingredient of religion because God operates within it as the "all seeing eye". You cant motivate a man to chastity when everything else about the social order he navigates is weak impaling the strong without the concept of god's holy judgement weighing on his heart.

>>220937956
>where everyone decides to use their newly acquired leisure time to fight interplanetary wars because it's such a sexy and fun thing to do?
That would be the rational thing to do. War is cool. Interplanetary wars were be even more cool.

>>220937780
I have failed you, goonsama

>>220937926
>>220937755
>>220937513
delete your hard drive A I have already forwarded your IP to state pd

>>220937989
Which is why the body, sensuality, sex, eroticism, and erotic mortification of the flesh, are central to Verhoeven's vision of fascism, much like De Annunzio's orgy state in Fiume.

>>220937986
But to say it's a "satire" is like saying Leni's Triumph of the Will is satire because we can sit back and poke it apart with criticisms we bring to the film. None of the criticisms are made within the film itself.

Same pol threads over and over. 90% of these posts are 1 poltard on a bonnet trying to influence onlookers into accepting fascism.

>>220937989
>Literally did not watch the second and third movies
Anon, they do exactly this. There's an entire movie about how Christianity is verboten because its not the state religion and then when it catches on among the soldiers they make it the state religeon. The entire mantra of the movie is...
>God Exists! He's on our side! He wants us to win!

>>220938144
the second and third movies have nothing to do with the first. verhoeven didn't even direct them

>>220938070
I'm saying there would be rape without religion. You wouldn't get people casually hanging out naked with how common rape would be. I'm responding to OP's point about how a fascist dictatorship that engages in romance and sexual norms isn't realistic. He's right, and Starship Troopers should have had a religious aspect.

>>220938144
>thinking I watched the other films
I guess it's great they came to the natural conclusion of their worldbuilding, but I'm just pointing out the flaw in the first movie.

>>220938121
Thats why I never called it a satire, the joke is that hollywood sells Triumph of the Will as a commercial product.

>>220938162
We're here to talk about Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers 2 and 3 exist, so bringing it up is on-topic. Moreover, who the fuck cares who directed it or what he believes? Art is about the way the observer reacts to a work, not about the author's original intent. You are not Verhoeven, Anon.

>>220938122
the bathhouse is thataway

>>220938121
Wrong as usual Ivan, and you were dumb enough to mention Triumph of the Will, which is specifically satirized by Starship Troopers.

>>220938167
Bruh, it was a great movie. The only thing wrong with it is that Humanity is dragging out the war for political and resource reasons instead of just developing a biological weapon that exterminates all the bugs the second it hits the atmosphere. Well, that, and the fact the Buenos Ares still exists before the bugs torpedo it with an asteroid. This is supposed to be futurist fantasy, nobody wants a Buenos Ares.

>>220938189
You would know the way, you Russian pol/esmoker faggot.

>>220938228
>The only thing wrong with it is that Humanity is dragging out the war for political and resource reasons instead of just developing a biological weapon that exterminates all the bugs the second it hits the atmosphere

It's war for the sake of war. Creating an instant enemy killswitch defeats the entire point of a warrior culture. The fascist state in film would kill the scientist that proposed it. Their entire concept of how you develop as a person revolves around performance in combat.

>>220938183
>>220938121
No Ivan it's not sold as Hollywood product. Yes Ivan we know you're replying to yourself from different ips.

>>220936154
How the fuck didn't every guy get a huge fucking boner in this scene? I bet many takes were cut because guys kept getting hard. The actors must have fapped and cummed multiple times before each shot to prevent random erections.

>>220938167
They'd be freely fucking like rabbits, which already occurs in the army now. An orgy of sex and violence, passion released, human vitality expressed to the fullest. Or so the film presents.
>>220938191
No, there's earnest imitation of Triumph of the Will because both movies are doing the same thing for the same effect.
>>220938183
Yes, I agree with your post. But there are a lot credulous cope posters who fall for Verhoeven's handwaving excuses for making an earnestly fascist film.

>>220938255
>Its war for the sake of war
So? Its fiction, people are allowed to have fantasies and ideas that don't agree with yours. There's never been anything wrong with exploring the darker demons of human nature in a fictional context and even if there were, you simply can't legislate morality regardless. People are going to do what they're going to do, be it good, bad, or indifferent. By trying to dictate right and wrong from a moralist point of view and expecting other people to see things your way, you're actually the closest person to fascist in this thread. We're here to talk about a movie, you're here to bitch about peoples' personal politics.

>>220938289
>No, there's earnest imitation of Triumph of the Will because both movies are doing the same thing for the same effect
No Ivan Starship Troopers isn't promoting fascism. Repeating this same thing for the last ten years hasn't changed anything and it never will.

>>220938184
what? obviously it's important who directed a movie as later directors change the context and intent of things in ways that couldn't have been imagined by the original artist

>>220938255
I think it's more that literary effect triumphs over plot economising in story telling (eagles flying to Mordor), but that is definitely the intended literary effect of the war and its glorification.

>>220936252
>all these replies
You guys know mixed bathing is a thing in plenty of cultures, less so in modern times because of American puritanicalism rubbing off and hyperporn turning everyone into goon zombies. But even back in the 70s it was normal in places like Sweden or Japan

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>>220936154
They just don't care if the women get raped. They're all gonna get eaten by bugs in a month anyways.

>>220938308
All people change the content and intent of things when they consume it, we all have personal biases. The director doesn't change the intent any more than changing the person watching it does, but all we can really control about any of that after its been shot is who's watching it, not who directed it - so complaining that its not the original director doesn't get you anywhere, since you can't go back and time and shoot it with the original director. You can only watch it, or not watch it now.

Doesn't mean its not there, or that it isn't Starship Troopers, any more than someone can dictate that the faggoty Star Wars Disney movies are or are not Star Wars because they don't reflect the original intent. It literally does not matter, you're attempting to argue semantics and feelings on the internet you mouth-breathing fatass.

>>220938306
>this fascist movie that glamourises and eroticised fascism and war isn't actually fascist
Why?
>because it just isn't.. okay?
Dumb, credulous, and philistine.

>>220938289
>They'd be freely fucking like rabbits,
It would be a male dominance hierarchy. So there would be a ton of male infighting over which women are fucking who and it would result in a desegregated military. The fascist state that is show in the movie literally is impossible without a state religion mandating an accepted morality.

>>220938385
>The director doesn't change the intent any more than changing the person watching it does
how so? the director literally changes every aspect of the film, as it's their creation. you aren't imagining the film in your head, you're looking at someone else's efforts. you assume too much agency on behalf of the viewers.

>>220937467
I liked Starship Troopers 3 better than the first one

>>220938411
Didn't happen at Fiume, which was 2/3rd female during De'Annuzios reign. The presence of death prevents possessive attachment (either of you could die tomorrow) and encourages a freedom to sex and sexual expression. Sexual energy frothing up tension and rivalry is an intended and desirable effect that is then channeled into war making. The entire point of unchaining sexuality is to unchannel all the primal and vital passions of war and lust.

Do people realise the only people that call Starship Troopers fascist are communists? In the book the Federation is described as a liberal democratic society with free press. Theres nothing fascist about it

The reason communists got so butthurt over the book was that the author was describing a utopian society that wasn't communist.

>>220938432
The director is no longer in any way affiliated with the movie, its intent, or who is consuming it, regardless of how they do or do not feel about it. His involvement ended in post-production. All consumption of Starship Troopers now is between whomever is watching the movie and the content in the movie as shot when it was finished, nobody else.

You really need to give up on this pro-authoritarian view of media, Anon. Directors don't get to dictate how other people see their works, its a free country. You're free to enjoy, and to like, what you see in the movie or not as you choose. Here's your (You) faggot.

>>220938388
>>220938490
No Ivan this doesn't work either.

>>220938494
>Directors don't get to dictate how other people see their works
yea they just dictate every other aspect of the work, especially wrt to how it is made lmao. film is basically a fascist medium in this sense, one man can completely dominate the production and have total control over what you see. (not a value judgement, just the truth). you're correct to point out that you can interpret these images however you the viewer likes but they were arranged for you by a particular individual, their perspective is ultimately more important than your own as far as meaning of the work is to go.

>>220938488
Interesting point, but men who are bred and groomed for war would not be comfortable sharing women and behave towards them the way that you see in the movie. Possessive attachment would have to be meditated out of them as it is a hardware feature of male sexuality...and that could only be done with religion.

I dont disagree with your take. I just dont see where the morality aspect could emerge through a strictly militaristic society without an added element they just dont show in the movie

>>220936238
>year or two

>>220938494
>>220938558
This is one guy faking an argument on a botnet

>>220938558
>User that is actively behaving in a fascist manner calling out other people for being fascist 30 years ago
Anon, nobody dictates how I see a work but me. Not the director, not moralism, and certainly not (You). If you want that kind of power you're going to have to go jackboots and armbands and start dictating the way people see the world around them.

Personally I thought the movie was really good. Acting is solid, plot really only feels contrived many years after the fact because of how many other works ripped it off for laughs but at the time it was pretty ground-breaking. Its a fair representation of why war is necessary regardless of whether its right or not, or of the reasons for it. If we don't fight externally, we'll fight internally, the only reason their society works is because they have bugs to exterminate, otherwise they'd have to go back to firebombing the browns or the chinks. As modernist-sci-fi goes, its pretty solid.

I actually have a theory contrary to the accepted claims by Verhoeven, that he never intended for this film to be a "satire of fascism" whats more he DID read the book. Despite claiming he did not.
I believe he simply said this stuff to cover his ass because he wanted the pinkos in Hollywood off his back about making the film.
Some of the scenes in the film are almost word for word the same scenes in the book too so someone obviously read it.

>>220938651
my contention is that the work (and by extension the director) necessarily dictates how you see it simply by existing and having been created in the way that it is. were Starship Troopers different, you would see it differently, you see? But because it is the way that it is, you see it the way that you do.

>>220938488
Where can I read more about dannunzio’s state

>>220938708
>My contention is
Sounds like a you problem. You should really get that checked out before opening your dumbass mouth.

>>220938732
is this the part where we descend into personal insults? because if so you sound horribly sexually repressed and speak too much about other people's bodies. likely you desire to exist in the shower scene this thread is about, if only for a whiff of intimacy and hint of another person's naked bodily form.

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>>220938714
The Pike

>>220938704
Yes of course. They always read the book/primary material. It's complete conceit and 'anxiety of influence' when they do the kabuki act about "not being influenced". And the "akshully it's satire" is just handwaving to deflect on cashing in from making an earnestly fascist film.

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>>220938437
For me it's Kirby from Starship Troopers 3, she cute

It’s just a fun funny action movie idg what the debate is about. Hong Kong made this kind of flick all the time and nobody thinks about it too deeply.

>>220938704
>>220938836
Yes it's a satire of fascism. Repeating this new cope won't work either.

>>220938121
Weird Al isn't generally going to tell you in song
>I'm singing these words as a joke bro, it is parody please understaaaaand
And starship troopers same token isn't going to bust into a
>HA! Fashies btfo! *dabs*
rant at the finale. Good parody aims to be a little more subtle in its strawmans because it knows the kicking is half the fun.

>>220938490
You can quibble about it, calling it fascist is a bit loose, but it's certainly adjacent and inspired. Heinlein is thinking more of a contemporary South Korean or RoC/Tawainese military dictatorship. It's a military state that glorifies war against a "bug" (i.e. "gook"/Chinese communist) inhuman horde inferior. The film is more explicitly fascist and draws on fascist aesthetics, eroticism, and Nordicism, that is not present in the novel.

>>220938958
How is it a satire? The beautiful heroic young people make fascism look bad? Killing bugs makes fascism look bad? What exactly is being conveyed

>>220938565
They whip them lol. And the men are bed hopping too, there's no shortage of partners. I'm sure they'd be lots of fistfights and such, but that's comdusive to a martial culture.

>>220939015
its not a dictatorship though or a militaristic society. People are free to criticise the military, the civilians shit on it all the time and think the military people are dumbies. Rico's own father shits on the military.
They have a free press that can and does criticise the government.
Military is optional to join, they have democratic voting it's just restricted to people who served the Federation in any way
Theres no racism or gender inequality either lol its egalitarian.

satire doesn't necessarily mean "thing bad" or complete disavowal. Like the pretty woke "satirize" the ultra woke all the time, it doesnt mean theyre telling the viewer to be a chud.

>>220939015
>nordicism
fuck out of here retard

>>220939002
No, there's no critique within the film. You can bring a critique to the film, that's fine, I would agree with many of them, but the film itself never makes them. And further it goes well out its way to eroticise and glamorise the army, service, and war (because sexy fascism sells and every film maker wants to produce their own Olympia/Triumph of the Will).

>>220936154
Verhoeven is a turbo gooner

This movie was kino

>european makes a soft porno
>calls it le satire of the fascism
>gets to go to fancy wine and cheese parties with his wife for the rest of his life and fuck twinks


many such cases

>"it's not a satire"
>half the film is literally over the top propaganda of shit like children stomping on cockroaches

We're in a sea of Hylics.

>>220939015
it can't be "nordicist" and a portrayal of a contemporary asian dictatorship idiot

>>220939193
why do leftists think all propaganda is bad or the fact that propaganda exists at all that its satire or evidence of fascism.
Huge projection here

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>>220939211
The bot broke

>>220939193
So it's about how fascism is the ideology of beautiful militaristic young people squashing bugs?
So it's pro fascist. Yes? I could not think of a more pro fascist message.

>>220936154
I want to see Dina Meyer naked right now.

>>220939076
In Heinleins novel they're playing a literary role as contempary anti-war sceptics and liberals, the politicians who "lost China" and refused to invade/nuke Manchuria during the Korean war and got MacCarther sacked. They exist in the novel as a foil to be proven wrong and knocked down.

>>220939193
>how dare they have motivational propaganda for their war against the killer aliens
its not for the bugs its for their own citizens, to motivate them to enlist

>>220939193
the satire is obvious, yes but the government that is shown in the film bears a much closer resemblance to the America that Verhoeven made the film in than any fascist government. the propaganda reels as advertisements are proof enough of this: that's how American tv worked and continues to work. that's why the
>satire of fascism
line falls flat

>>220939248
I guess you missed the part where half the characters in the movie meet horrible, grotesque deaths for pointless wars instead of having normal lives and relationships.

>>220939104
The blonde and blue eyed sexgods triumph over the brown bug hordes.

>>220939305
It is a satire of America and liberal democracy as if they have become fascist, in the template of a Hollywood propaganda movie. The film says much more about America than it does the Nazis, this is what every dolt doesn't get

>>220939278
thats not true in the novel they are skeptical and critical of the military before the war even starts.
Because they have lived in an age of peace for ages and think the military is pointless.
And civilians that freely voice they dont want to be in the military can have a gainful life as a professional, no one cares.

>>220939194
The novel isn't Nordicist. Race is never a subject matter, they're given Spanish names, and Rico is revealed to be Filipino near the end of the book, but only as a pretence for Heinlein to praise a Filipino general who defeated a communist insurgency and its never mentioned again. The film is Nordicist in its casting and aesthetics.

>>220939327
No Ivan this isn't about being anti liberal either. Yes Ivan it's mocking nazis.

>>220939131
The critique doesn't have to be as explicit as the MC being like
>*ahem* fascist regimes... are bad!
>[applause]
to communicate critiques. Off the top of my head, I don't think you have to read too closely to get a feeling the movie takes a dim view of
>public executions on television
>public delight in the torture of bugs
>drill instructors throwing knives through cadet hands as training
>a total disinterest in all civil liberties and civic participation outside a martial context eg the MC's family in Buenos Aires

>but those critiques aren't in the film
the parody is the eyebrow wiggle in a portrayal an ordinary viewer would find embarrassing or comical, these elements are.

>>220939211
>>220939248
I love the little ape brains of the conservatives trying to think. Pretty hilarious

>>220939390
Did you take the dick out of your ass before you typed that?

>>220939312
The protagonist of the book is philippino

>>220939390
says the pea brain that thinks all propaganda is the same

>>220939368
But where is the mocking? I mean, I envision ST as exactly what would happen if the nazis won. A nice place

>>220939307
Yeah I guess most people watching it miss that too. They just think 'I wanna shoot bugs and hang out with hotties too.'

>>220939193
its satire but satire doesnt mean thing bad
you can satirize things you think are good even

>>220939408
>>220939418
I just got here. Only typed that to weed out some retards to talk to. So did you like the movie or not?

>>220939307
The message of the deaths is dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. Their deaths are glorified, the mortification of their flesh is eroticised, their sacrifice is proven to be worthwhile, valiant, and vindicated by heroic victory. You can sit back and bring to the film that "hmm perhaps being torn about by bugs isn't so sexy and valiant" (I would agree), but the film says it is.

>>220939368
Verhoeven is a liberal. What he's suggesting with this movie is that the things that occur in peaceful liberal societies like gender equality, diversity, sexual fluidity, etc don't actually prevent us from becoming fascist in the future. He identifies traits associated with fascism already present in today's world like our love of aggressive sports (they play football in the movie) and veneration of physical condition. A society that has an excess of humans who are aimless and complacent may very well send them into a military meat grinder to make them useful, hence Rico's decision to stay with the military and forsake his passions like loving Dizzy and Carmen.

>>220939363
alright sure, this is a good point. but I still think the film has much more to do with America than any random tinpot asian dictator. You'll notice that the director doesn't make any movies like this before coming to hollywood or after leaving it but made this and Robocop in relatively quick sucession. Both use similar tones and theming and deal in satirizing these powerful combined govt/corporate entities. There's even a combined gender shower scene in both films. Parallels are endless really. And Robocop certainly isn't about pinochet or park chung hee or whoever

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I think all of you are reading way too much into a cheesy / fun movie
No smart person is going to be like hmm this really makes me think. Only the peabrained conservatives are that dumb

>>220939368
liberalism isn't at odds with fascism. right/left are nonense monikers. Fascists would be liberal reformers to a monarchist.

i have to admit . i would like to see rico's schlicko

>>220939345
Yes, they're the shitlibs of the time who would pooh-pooh Heinlein's vision and sacked MacArthur instead of making him President and Generalissimo in a crusade against communism in China. Heinleims perceives the failure of the Korean War as a result of losing the militaristic spirit of WW2 and wants to restore it.

>>220936238
I've been told the japanese did it justice, but otherwise the book is best.

>>220939459
>forsake his passions like loving Dizzy and Carmen.
this is a reach, he only gets with diz because of the war and her aggressive pursuit of him. he definitely doesn't love her. and carmen? it's like a teenage crush, lust maybe. definitely not a real passion either

>>220939307
Is that any different from how we meet horrible, grotesque walking mental illnesses for pointless politics instead of having normal lives and relationships in real life? Realistically here the only difference is that trannies and browns can't kill us like the bugs can, in every other way its basically just normal society, not a pantomime of one. Nothing fascist about it.

>>220936238
>how popular its become in the past year or two
why would you admit you're this much of a newfaggot?

>>220939515
Yes Ivan liberalism is anti fascism.

>>220939515
>saying liberalism isn't at odds with fascism
>in a world where liberal governments fought the most destructive conflict of all time to defeat fascism
haha

>>220939553
They have nothing else going for them regardless. Dizzy only joined for Rico and she was swiftly discarded after dying. The military was Rico's new love and he found his place in it

>>220936301
we see A trainee get killed, redditspacer. And that was an accident so unless you think it's possible to accidentally rape someone, you're wrong and retarded.

>>220936272
>just get used to the nudity of both genders
Yes turning sexual stimulation into a normal nonstimulating feature of life is good, here's your upvote reddit

>>220939577
You are aware you are mocking yourself with the radicalized "Ivan" cringe

>>220939377
All of those are earnest fascist aesthetics and ethics, presented in erotic and quite brilliant filmmaking. You can say to yourself "erm torture is bad" whilst erotic fascist aesthetics are presented to you, the audience is getting erotically charged by fascist aesthetics, and fascist aeathetics sell tickets, merch, and creates a money printing franchise. You are bringing the criticism to the film, the film is earnestly presenting a facist worldview, with facist morality, by fascist aesthics, validated by sex, eroticism, and the vindication of victory.

>>220939076
>Rico's own father shits on the military.
And what does he do by the end? He joins up and serves under his son.

remember communists think anything right of full stalinism is "fascism".
You are arguing with people who can only argue in bad faith. These are people that think almost every country in the world is fascist.

>>220939409
And what did Verhoeven think about that kek?

>>220939581
They were defeating Germany, not fascism

>>220936272
In the bath houses in Japan, routinely female workers will restock the towels and other things and men are just walking around naked. No fucks given

>>220939581
That doesn’t negate the point. Countries fight each other regardless of their system of government. And fascism is explicitly built upon liberal thought, like historically. It’s not even debatable

>>220939577
>Dictates what other people must think in an explicitly fascist manner
>Claims X ideology is anti-fascist
I'm afraid the only people who aren't fascists are committed centrists. Everyone else on any side of any spectrum is trying to control someone else against their will. If your politics don't begin and end entirely at "I want to be left alone, fuck off", you are a fascist.

>>220936154
Speaking of disaponting tits.

>>220936154
>my God, this is what I'm being compared to now?
>The Starship Troopers movie?

He really is in hell lol

>>220939612
If your reaction to what's very obvious mockery of chuddery is
>wow... how beautiful *sheds single tear*
I don't have much to add beside "you're whom the parody is at the expense of."

>>220939211
because they're evil so they can only imagine things being used for nefarious purposes

>its fascism and chuddery when beautiful heteronormative people *exist*
you can sense the troonery

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>>220939627
No Ivan recognizing your repeated influence threads isn't communism.
>>220939609
>pls stop recognizing we're russian
>>220939442
>>220939459
You're outting yourself as leftists pretending to be right wing again ivan.

>>220939475
Verhoeven made an earnestly fascist movie because it gave him a chance to play Leni (every film makers hero) and make money. It's not more complicated than that. Pressing into fascist aesthetics and morality gave him a chance to explore artistic themes otherwise forbidden to an artist. Sure, we can say in hindsight that the universe and premise of the film has shortcomings, and perhaps fascism isn't as sexy and good as the film makes out, but the movie never does, and Verhoeven never allows a restraint or criticism of fascism to intrude upon giving free reign to a fascist vision.

>>220939661
Yes Ivan we know this is another pol raid thread.

>>220939686
no he's got a point, if you contribute to the fascist worldview in that aesthetic way you haven't done a very good job of "satirizing fascism"
like the film presents a triumphant fascist society, its impossible to miss that

>>220939739
This is a bot that is repeating itself.

>>220939751
>they don't teach unreliable narration and meta-textual framing devices in school anymore
sadge

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>>220939751
No Ivan Starship Troopers isn't contributing to fascism. Yes Ivan we know you're repeatedly making these threads to try and make that the case.

>>220939686
>If your reaction to what's very obvious mockery of chuddery is
How is it a mockery? All of the characters are beautiful and noble. They are fighting a purely bad enemy.
That is the whole point of these threads. It's supposedly a 'satire' of fascism where fascism looks very good.

>>220939722
No one is leftist for plainly saying what the movie is actually about. It's not a reach to interpret this movie this way when Verhoeven has basically confirmed it and we see real-life parallels with socially liberal societies like Israel have a ruthless military with the IDF

>>220939780
that's almost a full point. go on, make a specific claim. you can do it

>>220939806
How would you answer the four examples in eg >>220939377 in specific?

>>220936154
40k has a coed military

>>220939809
>its about le israel
lmao, you are a leftist though, since you are obsessed with israel

>>220939581
The allies fought to make sure Germany couldn't challenge the status quo. If Germany could be fascist in a way that would not affect the US, UK, and USSR, they wouldn't have cared.

>>220939842
well it couldn't so that's a complete non-argument

Imagine showering naked with exclusively hot attractive people

>>220939822
Those are small and easily forgotten. The main message most people took away from the film is what I said.
Those things exist so that liberals can feel they are laughing at fascists or whatever. It's just a small wink and a nudge. Lefties automatically assume it supports their worldview, and those small points reinforce that. And maybe the movie was intended that way. But it fails if those are the only examples. It is in practice pro fascist, even if it was meant to be anti. The satire is too subtle and weak.

>>220939809
And the pol shill pivots to Israel and da jooOs to obfuscate.

>>220939839
You have a peanut for a brain and should stop watching movies if you can't understand them

>>220939857
Done.

>>220939857
if everyone in your society is hot and attractive, how is that a problem?

>>220936272
>mayor incidents
Mr. Mayor... they know

>>220939869
Trying way too hard.

>>220939878
yeah no you are a retard leftist. Trying to shoehorn your current events propaganda into the thread.
I bet you are the retard crying about the "propaganda" in ST too

>>220939901
And you're not trying hard enough. Make an actual argument or include some substance in your posts.

>>220939686
You are very credulous. The film is entirely earnest in its glorification of fascism. That's why it succeeds, and why a franchise was built from it. Much like poking holes in Triumph of the Will, the criticism of the vision presented is something the viewer has to bring, the film itself makes no such criticism.

>>220939822
The shit on television now is 100x more gruesome and desensitizing than a public execution. Also the bug propaganda isn’t any different than “slap a jap”

>>220939857
That's every day in the Verhoeven reich.

>>220939940
Stop replying to yourself in a blatant bid to coach potential onlookers with the most ludicrously wrong takes possible.

>>220939953
>slap a jap
Exactly, same idea of Asiatics as inhuman horde vermin that had propaganda currency then and now. It's specifically drawing upon the human wave attacks of the Chinese army in the Korean war for its plot beats. "Bug" = "gook".

>>220940018
not really, in the book the Federation tries to ally with aliens it meets as its first priority.
They meet aliens that were brainwashed by the bugs, thats a bit of a parallel with communism.
The bugs can be viewed like communists and they brainwashed an Alien group thats like the Vietnamese

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>>220936252
>could this work or there would be too much rape?
But it's still not a good idea.

>>220939822
Fascism believes that violence and mortification of the flesh brings about an erotic vitalism, a productive and valiant energy. See early Junger and others. You're begging the question by presuppsing the features of fascism presented to you are bad, when the film earnestly presents them in flattering and erotic light and without any criticism for the audience to be visually wowed by and get erotically attracted to.

>>220940115
still a bot posting.

>>220940052
Sure, it has both racial dehumanisation and sinister ideological aspersions to make of communism in East Asia.

>>220940141
i dont think thats the point at all

>>220940126
Shut up you idiot. Nothing post by something who has nothing to say.

>>220936154
soviet union had mixed showers

>>220940162
How many rubles did it cost to keep up this pol bot thread?

>>220940160
It's Heinlein's only point. Rallying the youth for the next Korea/joining Chiang Kai-shek in an invasion of the mainland. He is explicit in naming the Filipino anti-communist general who he believes we must imitate and makes direct equivalence between the bugs and the communists he defeated, just in case you hadn't worked it out by then.

>>220939999
I'm not replying to myself. Stop posting if you have no actual arguments or anything to say.

>>220940018
What exactly is your point? This is not propaganda that is going to make anyone reflexively anti Chinese or whatever. It would be childish even by ww2 standards.

>movie fails to properly understand and critique what it was trying to satirize
>this incongruity between intention and reality allows it to remain popular over the decades as anyone can see the part they like in it

>>220940212
its a parallel of the ideology not race. The bugs are communal aliens with no individuality

>>220940224
It's funny, the only movies that are made from a non-liberal frame are failed pieces of liberal propaganda. This, District 9, American History X, etc. That is the only way a non-liberal movie can be made.

>>220940220
he sounds like a ricecel wumao from reddit, they think any criticism of communism is racism against asians because they are chicoms

>>220936154
Leftoids absolutely cannot depict le fascism without saying the quiet part out loud
>look at this racially homogenous setting with clean streets, low crime, healthy birth rates, low unemployment
>but there’s no tacos and the gays are scared so we have to burn it all down

>>220940220
0/10
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>>220940323
Yes Ivan we know this is a poltard thread

>>220940323
>Heh these army guys are super earnest. that's cringe! that means fascism is bad! what a laugh those of us with media literacy are having right now!

>>220937467
>penis(/vagina) inspection day
>genitalia hidden behind a board
What did they mean by this?

>>220936252
Just imagine the influx of spycam footage

>>220940220
Yes, it's a YA book written for boys. It's not a good novel, if that's your criticism.

>>220940373
Yes Ivan fascism is bad. No Ivan a country having soldiers isn't the fascism.

>>220940274
No, it's the "gooks" of the Chinese army in the Korean war. The "bugs" are always denigrated by a racial epithet, never a dignified or formal name.

>>220940425
their real name is Arachnids. You are talking crap

>>220940323
It's not an unintentional mistake, he intentionally make an earnestly fascist film and fed the pigs shit ("I never read the novel," "it's a satire *wink wink*") when questioned about it.

>>220940395
A noble dream defeated by the goon age

>>220940468
repeating this will never make it true ivan.

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>>220937926
NTA you’ve been replying to, but dude you should talk to someone. The guys here are describing pretty standard sexual curiosity and you’re having morbid overreactions

>ctrl-f
>"ivan"
>18 results
lmao

I'm positive in Robocop men and women also shared the showers and nobody gave a fuck.
In the movie, I mean.

>>220940459
Ctrl-f the novel
>arachnid - 3 hits
>bug - 161 hits
I'm sure your novel saying "Black" three times defends it from the racism allegations.

>>220936154
True media literacy is understanding that the director was testing limits to see how much he can get away with.
It starts with naked extras on Robocop
Then making main actors naked on Starship Troopers
Then he got really bold with Showgirls and he got all the women he wanted to see naked and he made them be naked 24/7

A media illiterate freak will read into this and start analyzing the story like some RLM freak who says this is propaganda because everyone is white and good looking and they push the idea that you'll have lots of sex in the military with hot women because the movie satire of propaganda etc
A smart person knows Paul Verhoeven is a pervert and his ideas don't really go past ''wow that would be cool!'' and ''wow nice tits''

>>220940567
meds, you cant be racist to an insect you fucking twit

>>220936154
Starship Troopers doesn't really work as a satire because it fails to be satirical.

>>220937467
Tummy

>it's another episode of liberals sympathizing with the bugs that do nothing but murder and shit everywhere
Change the channel already.

>>220940595
Dehumanising "the gook" below even race. That's the point of racial epithets Heinlein is aiming at, to make war against China and East Asian communists easier, as a repeat of anti-Japanese propaganda in WW2 (and the yellow peril of Chinese immigration before that).

>>220940701
no it isn't

>>220936154
Book Johnny Rico is a vigorous red-blooded pure Filipino man