Your Snoke theory sucks
>SnokeThey had a mildly entertaining mystery going on for the prequels and squandered it hard.
>>220940029that faggot needs to get that sticker tattooed onto the inside of his eyelids.
>actually... he's pointless! gotcha!Nice one Ryan
>>220940209Expectations: Subverted.
>Kills Luke>Kills Snoke>Kills ReyFinn romance>Kills Finn as a character in the process, making him a clownThis was a movie made by a Star Wars hater, for Star Wars haters.That's why it got good critic reviews.
>>220940119Supreme Leader Snoke is officially confirmed to be an artificial, genetically engineered being known as a "strand-cast" created on Exegol by Darth Sidious. While Snoke possessed a fully independent mind and powerful Force sensitivity, his primary existence was as a proxy and puppet manipulated by Palpatine's dark essence
>>220940209Knives Out trilogy is brilliant so he ended up winning.
>>220940029>treating storytelling as a competitionThese people are retarded and don't understand their own craft.
>>220940250Thats so boring. Snope more useless than Tarkin
>>220940317Snoke was grown from Luke’s severed hand, does that make him more interesting?
>>220940209Actually, it's Rian. Even his name sucks.
>>220940277>knives out >brilliantKek
>>220940366>>220940228A little more subvertion for you
>>220940366He looks Willem Dafoe except less masculine
>>220940383He’s a genius writer (Knives Out, Brick, Wake Up Dead Man) just not a good fit for Star Wars.
>>220940247And the next sequel was also impresive: The Revenge of JJ Abrams>Kills Leia, it was her turn>Brings back Palpatine despite not being hinted before, because previous director killed the big final boss>Kills Rose Tycho as a character and blame it on Carrie Fischer's death>Kills KyloRey romance by killing Kylo>Somehow Luke and even Han Solo returnedHilarious how Kennedy greenlighted this. She deserves the hate.
>>220940177Top kek anon
>>220940394he looks like he could be his brother
>>220940383>I have a brilliant idea: what if take your franchise and add something that doesn't belongs on it?>Aint' that cool?>I don't like Star Wars, btw. Didn't liked it in high school, don't like it now, never will.
>>220940500>I don't like Star Wars, btw. Didn't liked it in high school, don't like it now, never will.That's exactly what sold him for Kaitlyin Kennedy. Bitch wanted to burn SW for everyone, job done.
>>220940500That's not all.>I thought when I read the script that Holdo would be wearing a uniform, so I did some uniform designs and showed them to Rian and he said, “Oh no, no, no, no. She’s flirting with Oscar Isaacs’ character, I don’t want her to be in a uniform, I want her to be unique and almost balletic.” He said, “I’d like to see her body and her body language, and her silhouette, and have her be more feminine.” So I started thinking about feminine balletic design, and something kind of Greek, which made me start thinking about jersey, and then I started thinking about Madame Gres. So that’s where that came from.The whole movie is some sort of a fetish thing
>>220940177Lmao
The sequels are not cannon
>>220940401No, he’s not a genius writer. He’s effectively an anti-genius. His go-to strategy is to basically have his “smartest” characters declare “smart thing is stupid” and proceed to dismiss it. It’s either this or what he did in “Looper,” where he has them dismiss the intricacies of time travel as something “better not to think about” because it saves him from having to think it through, which he clearly didn’t.
>>220940612I remember clearly when Holdo appears for the first time and everybody started laughing in the theater. Laura Dern has a fantastic career but she looks like a deranged tranny in this with the purple hair and the cheap contacts.
>>220940029JJ ruined it
>>220940029Who cares, Snoke dying was the single interesting moment he had in the trilogy anyway. It's not like JJ had a plan for him.
>>220940401He has very very cool concepts, but he is bad at writing them into a good full film. Luke turning away from the Jedi and clashing with Kylo and then dying to him COULD be cool, but it wasn't done very well.Looper and Knives out have extremely cool concepts going and are very well directed, but the scripts and dialogue are largely shit.
Star Wars sucks
>>220941043Go to bed Rian
>>220941108Your movie flopped too Filoni
>>220940029He may have subverted the expectations too far in a few places
>>220941219It's stylistically designed to be that way
>gentle knowing nod to my fellow seventeenth weekenders
>>220941108I only saw Looper and even then only at a $3 theater
>>220940247>Kills ReyFinn romanceWhy is that a bad thing? Must be mutt's law
>>220941512it's so dense, every single frame has so many expectations being subverted
>>220940029Imagine writing a movie and basing literally everything that happens in it on tens of thousands of social media posts and ideas you read and just doing something because "no one guessed it." What a fucking hack, fiction is supposed to be at least a little predictable.
>>220940029Hah thats actually funny and cool for a director to interact with fans like thatSo what was the real Snoke theory in the end?
>>220940847I didn't even realize that was the Jurassic Park lady until you said that just now lmao
>>220941690Doesn't matter, and you're stupid for caring
>>220940659sequels are cannons, deal with it.
>>220940659>>220943409
>>220940401>genius writer>Knives Outlol
>>220940612So her purpose was to be a GILF coomerbait?
>>220940247
>>220943849wine aunt self insert
>>220940500Rian needs to be shot in the head imma be honest
>>220940029I don't recall having any theories regarding him, I was just waiting to see what they came up withFuck, I had low expectations but they managed to let even those down.
>>220940383>>220940366Kaplan clearly suffered but my question is did he deserve it?
>>220940500How did Rose even act like a high school nerd?>Because she's lame and fat.Yeah, but that's not what RJ wanted. I mean in terms of how she's written.
>>220940417>>Kills Leia, it was her turnTo be fair, that wasn't exactly up to JJ or KK.
>>220940029RJ is an odd case. You look at how he acted around the time of the release and it seems like he was deliberately trying to piss the fans off for a laugh, but he's clearly furious people didn't like his movie. What the fuck did he expect?
>>220940401His last good film was Looper
>>220940500>she was genuinely a nerdWhat the fuck is he talking about? I don’t even like the character, but she’s clearly decisive, proactive and impulsive. She acts nothing like a nerd.Sure she’s an engineer, but that’s about it. It’s not like she has scenes where she gets distracted about minutia, and the one time she was slightly star struck she got over it in literal seconds when she realised what Finn was doing.
>>220940029How did a major film studio think it was a winning strategy to tell their fans to go fuck themselves when they didn't like the shit movie they produced?
>>220940350No.
>>220940366>crying about a casino in Star Warsthese niBBas should read the Thrawn novels sometime
>>220940401>He’s a genius writerHe's not a genius anything.
>>220940029Movie was essentially Star Wars:Fuck You. Two times (Leah space flight and Rose Fin kiss) where I had to look around the theater to make sure actual humans were sitting around me and not inflatable arm flailing tube men.
>>220945105the sequel trilogy landed just as the mask-off era was beginning. we're at a point where anti consumer behaviour is open and people happily make excuses for it as they get assfucked. Rian jumped the gun a bit AND was trying to apply this "fuck you, customers" behaviour to one of the biggest and most recognizable IPs in the world.
>>220946160>Sure she’s an engineerI had forgotten what her role within the nu-rebels even was. She doesn't exercise any engineering skill. Why does an engineer take it upon herself to guard the escape pods?
>>220946176>hey did you see this video game news about how 'gamers are dead' and 'video games don't need gamers anymore'? could we talk to our potential buyers like that, too?
>>220946176The modern audience will love our marketing and come in droves
>>220946210i was fuming the entire time. the whole fucking story begins with quipping bullshit, proceeds with the world's slowest car chase in space, and then caps off with a lorebreaking "LMAAAAOOOOOO" from a woman with zero strategic sense or interpersonal skills.in the meantime some antagonists walk away from the inescapable car chase to tour a casino planet and get the bad end on a sidequest
Living personification of reddit masculinity. In a more virtuous age, his skull would have been bashed against rocks by an enemy berserker during his first military conscription but instead he's allowed to present his dipshit ideology to millions of people in the form of piss poor detective movies.
>>220946258>berserker>conscription
>>220946176On the bright side he managed the impossible and killed a 40 year IP that was popular world wide. People blame JJ but it's all Rian's fault. Audiences were mixed on TFA or loved it, audiences showed up for Rogue One. Viewership TANKED after TLJ to the point SW was reduced to disney plus shows with a million viewers AT BEST.
>>220946222>snitch>hijacks a fighter just to crash it into a friendly>motivation is 'boo hoo my famiry'asian representation at it's finest
>>220946270Sorry I'm a little drugs at the moment
>>220940209Yes. Snoke is pointless.He's yet another of Abram's "mystery boxes".To demand that someone else come in and fill your ugly misshaphed box for you is preposterous. Throwing it out is the best you can do if you're presented with such a Snoke box. And if by throwing it out you can grow an actual character into an actual villiain, that's going above and beyond.Of course, manbabies on youtube don't get that. They were stupid enough to fall for the empty mystery box.
>>220946270yes two different words used with regards to two different people in the hypothetical.Now, could you write a story about two people discussing a story about two people for me? I'm curious about something.
>>220946286bitch i read it as "rian would have been conscripted for war and then promptly killed by a berserker" and I defended you over it
>>220946320I mean, that is possible if he was fighting the vikings as part of a different unit so fuck it I will stand by it. Rian should have been killed by a viking in a military campaign he was forced to be part of against his will. We're all thinking it, I just have the balls to say it.
>>220940277>Knives Out trilogy is brilliantIt's nice enough, but I hope he moves on from it sooner rather than later. Limiting himself to one specific genre can't be satsifying, no matter how much money it earns him.Frankly, his best projects were those where he had full control and could experiment without having to care for any studio or audience expectations. Brothers Bloom was where he excelled. Ideally he'd go back to something like that.
>>220946328What are the top 30 armies with conscription that fought the Norse?
>>220946328attaboy
>>220940277No Rian, you made threads here about how your trilogy was guaranteed for like a year after tlj came out lol
The sequels were doomed the moment JJ decided that world-bulding was for nerds and he had his Empire 2 blow up the New Republic (icky politics) with his super duper big death star so that the good guys could be the Rebels 2TLJ and TROS were the nails in the coffin
>>220946343Go go gadget ChatGPT>Kingdom of Wessex — used the fyrd system, a form of compulsory military levy requiring free men to serve.>Kingdom of Mercia — relied on conscripted regional militias similar to the fyrd.>Carolingian Empire — imposed military obligations on landholders and freemen under Carolingian law.>Byzantine Empire — used the thematic system, where soldiers were recruited through land-based military obligations.>Kingdom of Alba — kings could call levies from clans and regional territories for warfare.>Kievan Rus' — princes mobilized militia levies from towns and subject populations.>Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba — maintained conscripted and obligated military forces alongside professional troops.>Kingdom of Ireland — Irish rulers summoned clan levies and obligated warriors during campaigns.
>>220940029geeks and gamers, nerdrotic, critical drinker and mauler should be on their knees sucking his dick, rian gave them careers talking about capeshit and star wars
>>220946302>And if by throwing it out you can grow an actual character into an actual villiain, that's going above and beyond.He didn't do that, instead he made a shit movie with nothing and guaranteed he'd never direct sw again lol
>>220946328>>220946343Not sure what you think a "berserker" is, but I'm pretty certain it's not an actual military rank or fighting style among Vikings. I think it's more like a tabletop RPG mechanic.
>>220946361This. TLJ is complete garbage by a retard who hates star wars, but TFA's lazy and brainless reset precluded anything good coming out of nu wars permanently.
>>220946380>He didn't do thatHe literally did. Or did you somehow miss Kylo doubling down and pretty much taking Snoke's place in their organisation?
>>220946374That whole subculture of nerdome hopefully implodes or dies off due to childlessness. Those faggots are awful. Do you think George Lucas ever considered himself a nerd? Or did he just do what naturally interested him and create a worldbuilding project that these fucking NIGGERS devoted their entire lives to and build a self-identity around?
>>220946387https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BerserkerNo it's a real thing. What do you think the TTRPG archetype was based on?
>>220946401>grow into an actual characterNo rian, this never happened. Finn and rey are still total non characters like in tfa too.
>>220940401>genius writerI guess when you have a 90 IQ a guy with a 105 IQ seems pretty smart
>>220946402People have been obsessed with sw for like fifty years now, why would it die off? Sure, nobody cares about disney wars and it's already being forgotten, but the six actual movies will always be there.
>>220946431>Finn and reyWhat made you think that anyone was talking about Finn and Rey as those who became a villain in Snoke's place?
>>220946467Nah they really pissed in the cheerios of the legacy fans who kept the whole thing up. Even the more normgroid goycattle basedsumers among us are abandoning the brand.
>>220946467>the six actual movies will always be thereNot if George Lucas has his way. He'd completely replace the first three with his Special Edition edits if he could.
>>220946362>feudal lords providing peasants = conscriptionlyl
>>220946501One can only hope. Slop Wars need to be erased out of existence.
>>220940247Finn was already comic relief in Force Awakens, though there was still a glimmer of hope for depth in his character. Then Rian threw him into a river with that chubby Asian chained to him like an anvil to make sure he sank.
>>220946507>my extremely loose interpretation of the word conscription is superior to your extremely loose interpretation of the word conscription
>>220946526It's not as if the Special Editions were any better though.
>>220946539Conscription did not exist before the modern notion of a nation. Sorry, brainlet!
>>220946699Ideas often exist before we invent a word to describe them, retard
>>220946470nice reading comprehension, retard
>>220946699>nobody ever felt ennui or schaudenfreude before a word was put to it
>>220946809Did you even follow the discussion? Or were you just shiposting randomly? Because what you just posted literally a just a "no u".
lotta retards itt
>>220941610I think about that tweet every time a film, show, or game is clearly flopping.
>>220940847Fucking Ackbar was RIGHT THERE.
>>220940029Disney zionist kikes fucked up hard by going too ambitious too quickly. They understood nothing about Star Wars and immediately got to work thinking they could delete everything in existence and create something better. Kathleen Kennedy was to blame and she’s such a fucking dumb bitch but it seems they learned their lesson because the sequel trilogy has for all intents and purposes been completely written off and ignored for everything that came after.The smaller scale Disney miniserieses can be seen as the actual continuation and successor to Lucas’s vision.David Filoni being put at the helm is a wise decision for continuing the Star Wars franchise as Lucas intended
>>220946955>Fucking Ackbarwas a character that the audience would immediately trust and take the his side over Poe's. How fucking retarded do you have to be to understand that Holdo was brought in as a complete unknown exactly because the audience wasn't supposed to trust in her and her decisionmaking and at the very least be torn, if not outright on Poe's side. And considering how many retards still cannot see that Poe was wrong even after the film was over, it worked as intended.Ackbar would not have worked in that role. Neither would Leia.
>>220947152>this many words to say LE EXPECTATIONS WERE LE SUBVERTED
>>220940350>Snoke being LuukeObjectively better outcome for everyone involved.
>>220947251>Zendaya as Mara Jade
>>220947201It had nothing to do with subversion, moron. It was about having a credible conflict, and it's literally the standard way to write such a thing.
>>220947398You exclusively talked about audience expectation in your post. Keep le subverting le expectations, I'm sure that will make people suddenly love this slop
>>220947564>Keep le subverting le expectationsI repeat: It's not about subversion. It's about giving your audience something to ponder. To get engaged. Do you even know what subversion is or do you just go for buzzwords?
>>220947601Keep saying it a hundred times, slopperNo more (you)s
>>220947620Kek. Good.
>>220940500It’s so incredibly obvious that this is Rian’s ricebunny fantasy shoved into SW how do ppl not get it? The VERY FIRST character he put on screen was another azn to make his waifu more relevant and special
>>220947152>How fucking retarded do you have to be to understand that Holdo was brought in as a complete unknownHow fucking retarded do you have to be to not understand that Ackbar led the rebel fleet in the most important battle of the war. The battle that won the war and killed the emperor. And suddenly all he's good for is to stand in the background while Admiral Gender-Studies does nothing except destroy the last ship in the rebel fleet.
>>220947601I can't tell if you're just a retard or actually a fucking foid.I suspect a retard who wishes he had a vagina.
>>220948125You're completely missing the point.Yes, Ackbar is a decorated general. Everybody in-universe and in the cinema knows him and trusts him. That's exactly why you cannot use him for that role.
>>220948125Oh, and also:>all he's good for is to stand in the background while Admiral Gender-StudiesAckbar is already dead when Holdo enters the scene. That's the in-universe explanation given for why she takes over.
>>220947289I think that would be the last straw.
>>220940277Those movies are absolute dogshit
>>220948991No one thinks that other than salty Star Wars fanboys. Then again, you can say the same thing about Last Jedi.
>>220946402He probably did. He is a nerd/geek watching nip films and advancing film technology whilst escaping the shadow of his conservative father.
>>220949156Nah man the concept of "nerd" didnt really exist back then. At least not compared to the subculture that exists today where there's entire "nerd" industries.
>>220949209Okay maybe the guy who wrote the autistic prequel dialogue didn’t jive very well within the confines of the expectations of society. Holy shit he raced cars back then too.
>>220949320Yeah I'm saying he is a nerd, he just didnt form an identity around being a nerd because that subculture didnt exist back then. It's why he's married and well adjusted cause he didnt tell himself what he was. He just was it.
>>220949367I guess he was smart enough to lay low so Chet wouldn’t give him a wedgie.
>>220949156>>220949367Among his film school friend group, LUcas most definitely wasn't the nerd. That was Spielberg - straight A student, very by-the-books, teacher's pet. Probably let Lucas copy his homework. Lucas was the rebel, the slacker, almost flunked every class and was never going to make films the was his profs taught him anyway. Oh, and Ford-Coppola was also there.
>>220940350How? I don't know anything about Star Wars aside from what I saw in the original trilogy. Are they saying somebody went back to the cloud city and recovered his fucking hand?
>>220950762Pretty sure it's just that anon's fanfic.Or, hey, maybe it's some other guy's fanfic that got released officially as part of the new "EU". It was always impossible to tell the difference between the braindead shit Star Wars fanboys came up with and the braindead shit paid authors of "official" supplementary material came up with.
>>220950830>Pretty sure it's just that anon's fanficMaybe in this case, but the actual answer to this question >>220950762>Are they saying somebody went back to the cloud city and recovered his fucking hand?Is yes.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Luuke_SkywalkerSkywalker's hand and lightsaber were recovered by Vader and taken to Emperor Palpatine's Mount Tantiss storehouse on the planet Wayland. In 9 ABY, the insane clone Jedi Master Joruus C'baoth performed a mind trick on Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn's subordinate, Captain Gilad Pellaeon, ordering him to make a special clone for him. The clone that later became Luuke Skywalker was grown in secret from sample B-2332-54, the sorting code assigned to Luke Skywalker's hand. The clone was grown in a Spaarti cloning cylinder over the period of less than a month. When he was ready, the clone was given Jedi training by C'baoth and over time became little more than an extension of C'baoth's will.
>>220951255And to imagine that this is the trash that all those obese manbabies are emotionially invested in ...Isn't that "Thrawn" stuff even what they claim is the peak of their EU?
>>220951501nta but the EU is pretty bad. Some cool ideas here and there but the rest is absolute garbage. Thrawn is cool as a character but everything around him works like Cumberbatch's Sherlock, ie he's not smart, everyone around him is dumb. The sequel to this is Dark Empire which again has some cool ideas but fall short from shit execution, boring scenes and shit dialogue.If you want something really good from the EU, try the Boba Fett comic by John Wagner and Cam Kennedy.
>>220952051>EU is LE BAD>doesn't list whyuh huh. Let me guess, Luuuuuuke and the Suncrusher.
>>220952051>Dark EmpireIsn't that where Abrams took his "somehow Palpatine returned" idea from? Or was I misinformed?
>>220946387been a while since I read them, but the icelandic sagas described them as bodyguards of some norwegian kings who would go into battle frenzy when fighting, pretty sure one was nicknamed Shield-Biter, but again it's been a while since reading them
>>220940247the greatest moment in star wars history
>>220952538Fucking embarrassment.
>>220952538>>220952548I mean, I also find it hard to believe that any girl would fall for Finn. But they were stuck with the actor from episode 7, and you don't just rewrite your script because the last director miscast a role.
>>220952371Yeap>>220952130>Let me guess, Luuuuuuke and the Suncrusher.Those two are very good arguments, thank you
>>220946302>To demand that someone else come in and fill your ugly misshaphed box for you is preposterous.That's what he was hired to do. Don't like it, don't take the job.
>>220940029I didn't even bother to catch up with theories back then but they can't be worse than the actual plot
Even with the shitty 'Force Awakens' the franchise could have made a recovery, but this Moon-headed faggot fucked Disney's initial trilogy into the dirt so nobody could fix it - least of all that fuckhead Abrams.They should have shit-canned his entire film and wrote it off to save the franchise and their precious $4 billion investment. The money spent on one movie is nothing compared to what Disney could have made if they cut shit like that.One of the things you can hope about AI reducing production costs is they'd be able to show, test, and compare multiple practically completed versions of a film from different writers/directors before actual release. Hell, a writer could jigger up their own reels to sell their script quite easily.Instead of having multiple hired and fired directors under studio supervision, and spending money on reshoots, just get a bunch of different fags to write a sequel, wind them up and let them go. See who gets the best results. I doubt Rian would fare very well under those circumstances. I'm hoping some other fags will make their own 'Backrooms' movies independently and really prove this point, that multiple people coming at shit from different angles will not only result in sectors of the audience having their own preferences, but that absolute indisputable kino can come out of nowhere.There will be more shitty films, but the cream will rise to the top. The studios will lose because they should have already been filtering the shit instead of signing their name to it. If some anonymous fag wants to make their own better copyright-violating Star Wars films and can get away with it, I'll watch them and Disney can go suck it as far as I'm concerned. If they can't treat the franchise properly, use it to push their repugnant agenda, don't expect me to care if someone with talent effectively takes it over.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bagg4elEhk
Your Sneed theory Chucks
>>220940029>one of the few interesting things JewJew introduced>shit it up
>>220940277Hi Rian
>>220941648Sometimes it’s mid-subvert, then subverts itself.
>>220944074KEK
>>220944074>>220956326Fun fact, the beer jacket actually exists and it works. It sucks, sleeves don't look that way, and I would never drink from it, but it's a real thing that you can buy
>>220946302>you can grow an actual character into an actual villain Too bad Kylo Ren was too pathetic to ever be a believable villain.
>>220946507>>220946699That seems like a perfect example of conscription.
