>not a hypocrite like Avon>not delusional like Stringer>not crooked like Joe>took good care of his people>pigeons
>>220966250>muh name
Really seems like Chris and Snoop ran the whole operation, I never understood what he even does
He didn't need to kill that security guard though
>>220966274>he use my trips?>he call me a weeb??!
>>220966284why are we talking about ceos?
>>220966284Chris ran the operation but he's a soldier not a leader. Snoop didn't ran shit and died instantly when Chris was out of the equation.
>>220966312I already know CEOs' only job is to guess what the music might do a week, a month, a year from now
>>220966284He gave Chris a purpose and general direction while Chris handled the details.
>goes full Stalin>took good carenice framing
>>220966250He also had massive plot armor
>took good care of his people
>>220966325You ever heard Shake It n' Jiggle It?
>>220966504>>220966485He did take good care of his people, by not killing them if they didn't mouth off
>>220966250>pigeonsThe quick scene of him with the retarded kid he paid to watch his pigeons was such an odd angle to his character. Like he was the autist shepherding the retard.
>>220966485He was right about Michael being unreliable
>>220966519>you got squeekers nestin' squabs?
>>220966553It's fine that they wanted to show Michael is confident in himself and above this MUH REP shit, but they went to far with it. No niglet growing up in the hood is gonna think you can just ask the boss's right-hand soldiers why he cares if someone calls him a dicksucker
>>220966284it's a framing thing. we see chris and snoop a lot more than we see marlo. we see the dock workers more than we see the greek.
>>220966284Marlo probably killed some people for them to earn their loyalty.
This season completely ruined the series for me.
>>220966317To be fair, she did good but got to complacent. She didnt notice how cunning the kid was and how he was alerted to her m.o.
>>220966250How was Avon a hypocrite? He's basically Marlo just slightly less ruthless.
>>220966687You wanted it to be one way... but it's the other way
>>220966284Chris is always following Marlo's orders.
>>220966519>>220966558It was to point out he was still somewhat human. Same as letting bubbles go or be shot. He allowed the possibility for a humane resolution.
>>220966687Season 5 is such genuine trash by Wire standards that I never rewatch it. For me the show ends with season 4 and I'm completely happy with that. It feels like a pretty conclusive and satisfying ending that way. It feels more thematic to end the show with a season showing the next generation that will take over from the old than some lame-ass fags in a newspaper office completely unconnected with everything else.
We need backstreet on why bubbles knew how sailing knots to anchor a boat to a pier. That shit isnt commonplace.
Hard BWC sex with Snoop!
>>220966752He could have read it from somewhere or knew someone who taught him. Bubbles knew everybody
>>220966717S5 gets better on rewatching I found. It’s nowhere near as bad as people say
>>220966717The Sun plotline nosedives hard at points, particularly when Simon gets fed up and just has Gus spout off all his (Simon's) opinions. But season five is still worth it in my opinion for /myguy/ Bubs's conclusion, and that sad, beautiful ending. Also the season five's theme song kicks ass, Steve Earle sounds about as fed up singing it as I imagine Simon and Burns were writing the show at that point. Perfect capstone point - "nobody' listening anyway".
>>220967015Maybe I was a bit harsh. I love the main theme , it's actually my favourite rendition of it, feels very badass and "modern". There's also a few specific scenes I really like, like Omar's death (not because I hate Omar, but because the scene itself is just perfectly made, most viscerally shocking and "real" death I've ever seen in a TV show by far), Slim killing Cheese, Marlo's final scene, cameos from early season characters like Avon, Nick, the Greek, etc. The final montage is genuinely great and satisfying in pretty much every way, so the ending itself is perfect, but 90% of stuff leading up to it feels undercooked and a bit lazy by Wire standards. But just like Breaking Bad, even though season 5 feels a bit sloppier and more silly, it's still lightyears ahead of other shows and only appears weak in comparison to earlier seasons, basically "my only rival is myself".
>>220966782They should have had a side plot with the lezzie detective and snoop in a saphic embrace.
>>220967080Agreed 100% anon, and all those scenes you mentioned are favorites of mine as well.>Slim killing CheeseIt's a testament to The Wire that the closest thing we get to a 'feel-good' moment, is somebody getting shot in the head and left to spasm and die in an alleyway.>that was for Joe
>>220967092Both of them getting railed by bwc while Snoop mumbles idiotically
>>220967105It seemed that he was willing to.let that treachery go until he started boasting about it. He overplayed his hand.
>>220967105Joe had it coming. He didn't need to give up Andre. Andre wasn't even that bad dude, he was just a store owner in a wrong place at a wrong time. He had he's own legitimate thing going and probably didn't want to get involved in crime
>>220966497I felt like Avon was just pretty complacent/sloppy when trying to deal with Marlo.On the other hand, Prop Joe teaching Marlo everything he knew felt insanely short sighted for him.>>220967080>>220967105Cheese getting his was so cathartic. I doubt he would've lasted long even if Slim didn't waste him right there, considering that nobody gave a fuck aside from being short $900k.
>>220967280Andre let a civilian, delivery clerk get shot to death in front of him in order to frame someone. I did feel bad for his wife, though.
>>220967299He thought mentoring marlo would stop him from having any animosity to him.
>>220967462What choice he had? Most likely he wasn't even informed because why would he?
>>220967299>On the other hand, Prop Joe teaching Marlo everything he knew felt insanely short sighted for him.He misguidedly assumed Marlo would value his mentorship instead of just disposing of him the moment he learned enough that Joe became expendable.
>>220966717Season 5 may be the worst Wire season but it's still good by TV standards.
>>220966250It's been a while since I watched this and but this faggot always seemed like he came out of fucking no where to me.
>>220966250the most unrealistic thing about the wire is having marlo somehow survive the whole thing. Everyone would have bad blood with him by the end. Especially since he fucked up the co-op also he doesn't have any muscle by the end of the show, someone would have popped him.
>>220967015He was ahead of his time with the fake news bullshit though.
>>220967670Without Chris and being unable anything but Marlo hes faith is pretty much sealed, the show just ends before he get got
>>220967656He did come out of nowhere, that's the point. He's just a dime a dozen no-name gangbanger who just ended up in the right place at the right time. His success was genuinely down to pure luck as both the police and Avon were too busy infighting to do him in, and it was demonstrated in the show several times that they could have easily done so.
When it was airing I almost dropped it when they killed D’Angelo
Man, The Wire was such a kino show. Such a massive cast but very few bad characters.
>>220966250i am really confused how avon and others were threatened by him, he worked so simply and their operation was really sophisticated, couldn't they just aim to maintain control purely using market demand and stuff, does that mean all that sophistication and ninja business tricks were for nothing?
>>220967755that was brutal but probably has the best pay off with it ultimately destroying the trust between avon and stringer
>>220967785Did you not watch season 1? Avon's shit got busted wide open by the cops.
surpriseeee
>>220967785Because Marlo and his crew had massive bodycount on them and nobody in the co-op wanted to rock the boat when things were going good and money was flowing.
>>220967798yeah but still he could have gotten back on his feet probably, i thought they only busted part of the operation, i say this because even when avon was in prison, stringer did lot of development, why not take it smoothly, but avon was like war war war, lets get the corners and shit, what i mean is, avon with all his network couldn't he just have made his reach bigger in other areas, instead of fighting for the same corners marlo was controlling
>>220967835Most of his soldiers were dead or in prison and Stringer essentially took over and was preaching peace and tolerance. Avon was ultimately right in the end as Stringer's strategy just straight up didn't work, Marlo took advantage of his and Joe's good will.
>>220967835Avon's power revolved around the projects that get knocked down, the only way they keep their foothold is the co-op and the work Stringer does with Prop Joe. As soon as Avon gets out everything starts falling apart because he wants his corners.
>>220967670>>220967725This, his can't take being off the streets. After all the shit he pulled, there's no way someone doesn't pop him.>>220967803Avon is hysterical. Rewatching it now I'm surprised at how little screentime he actually gets.
>>220967785you found your answer in marlo "working simply," all stringer did was add unnecessary confusion to the operation, and avon was too reckless and overextended to rein him in. marlo understood isolating himself and working top down, putting emphasis on hit and runs and avoiding police investigation.
>>220967890stringer really thought going to business school would make his drug dealing game stronger, jej
>>220967785avon was about to put a hole in marlo's head until the sting happened on him cuz stringer ratted.
>>220967912It quite literally did, their profits were up
>>220967512he wanted it to be one way
>>220967912when avon has stringer wasnt smart enough to be a business man or hard enough to be a gangster he instantly says not hard enough? he was always just a gangster with high aspirations.
>>220967924I still think marlo would have come out mostly unscathed even if avon was able to use his full war stash. avonwas surrounded by idiots and all his good soldiers were in prison or dead.
>>220967961>stop saying thatsecurity guard signed his death warrant with that move
>>220967888wood harris a great actor. love the little laugh he does after saying surprise.
>>220967960chasing short term profits at the expense of everything else works in conventional businesses but not when the "everything else" involves your life
Weirdly enough, The Wire shows why you shouldn't go into business with your best friend
>>220967146>Now this how we do in B'more, oh fuck yeah...
what way was the way that it wasn't and what was the way that it was?
>>220968242>it was the other way
>>220967960If only the drug game was about numbers only but he didn't account the dickensian aspect
>>220966250Season 1 was great. Everything else was shit. Omar was a fag and cringeLOL at the redhead lawyer getting blacked. These kikes have been at this shit for a long timeOverral, a 6/10. Not some masterpiece like people want to claim
>>220968417You're too dumb for it
>>220968417yeah it's complex for a stupid /pol/ chud
>>220968417>Everything else was shit.
>>220968546>malaka
>>220966250>not a hypocrite like AvonFirst how was Avon a hypocrite? >not delusional like StringerHe sure was about people using his name>not crooked like JoeKilled people over nothing >took good care of his peopleLike the fat guy(not prop joe but Kevin or whatever) Or snoop? >pigeonsNigger was just bread crumbs for pigeons
>>220966250Nah, Avon will always be the king of B-morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsLSX-RzQGk
>>220966250he's the most sensitive of them all though since all it takes is a literal who on the street calling him a pussy and he will change all his current plans immediately to make sure that one person gets killed.
>>220966782The driveby scene with Snoop wearing skinny jeans that dragged behind her huge ass, madone!
>>220967966Anon, they had 30 guys with assault rifles and fucking grenades. Marlo had Chris and Vincent (his bank) in an isolated location surrounded by glass windows.Poh-leese saved Marlo's ass, and let him put 23 bodies in vacant rowhouses.
>>220968769They ran the entire area around them 4 3 blocks deep. It’s isolated and open so police can’t get line of sight or a sneak up. Other crews have to get through several layers to even see him. If anyone tries anything someone will shoot them because Marlo’s own guys have guns on the location. Marlo’s set up was actually semi realistic.
What kind of anime did Marlo watch?
>>220968331but which way was the other way
>>220969067Seems like a Bleach nigga.
>>220969067dbz
>>220969067Spiderman animated series.
>>220969067Monster, its why he was capable of such machinations.
>>220969067deathnote, he liked the idea of writing a name down and the person dies
>>220969067nekopara
>>220968599Avon is hypocritical because he claims to live by a strict street code while repeatedly violating that same code whenever it benefits him. He presents himself as a pure street soldier who values loyalty, territory, and the “game” above all else. Yet he repeatedly breaks his own rules when his power is threatened.>demands loyalty but betrays his own peopleAvon’s code says “family first,” but his actions show “family when convenient.”>claims to follow the street code but uses cowardly tacticsAvon constantly talks about being a real gangster who handles business “the right way,” yet:>orders the murder of witnesses like William Gant instead of facing consequences directly >hides behind layers of enforcers while pretending to be a fearless leader>tortures Omars signicant other when he can't reach Omar himself >criticizes Stringer for going legit while benefiting from Stringer’s strategyAvon mocks Stringer for wanting to run the organization like a business, but:>relies on Stringer’s discipline, structure, and money laundering to keep the empire functioning. >enjoys the profits of Stringer’s business‑minded approach while pretending he’s above it.>claims to protect the community but destroys itAvon sees himself as a product of West Baltimore and claims to respect the neighborhood, yet:>his organization floods the area with drugs and violence>starts a bloody turf war in Season 3 just to reclaim corners, even though Stringer warns it will bring heat and casualties
>>220969067toradora
>>220970029Lol. Thats just you not understanding it.
I want this thread to be one way..
>>220969001Normally you'd be correct, but at that moment in time Marlo was, foolishly, at the rim shop. He fucked up, and the police and Stringer bailed his ass out. Hell, Slim could've probably got all of them himself, though Slim v. Chris would be a tough shootout.
>>220970921This isn't a fighting game, Slim is some rumble-tumble nigga and Chris is clearly an ex-soldierJust think about the training they gave Michael
>>220966312ignorance is lowkey peak fr
>be an actual drug king pin>play the deacon
>>220970996Chris is in prison forever and a day and Slim is, well he's probably dead now, but he made it to the end of the board by the end of the show.chair recognize Slim Charles > Chris Partlow (part, like white people got in our hair, and low, like a low-bottom dope fiend)
>takes down every crew using science>gets away with it
>>220971124>talking about shit that has nothing to do with the argumentThanks for conceding.
>>220970996Regardless of their respective power levels, Slim made it through essentially unscathed.
>>220971081I know of several church officials who used to be in a life of crime.
>>220966250crooked like joe? are you insane? he was the only one trying to maintain business relationships
>>220971124Slim wasnt loud and put business first. Its why the Greeks connected with him after everything was done.
>>220971393>the GreeksWhat was their actual ethnicity again?
>>220968417season 1 has aged like milk compared to 2-5, its a simplistic outdated story that wasn't even original for its time.
>>220971424S1 is fine, I just always get annoyed when they go "one of them said his name was Omar" and then one season later Omar is supposed to have been this mythical figure for years already
>>220971451Tbf 1 year is like a decade in hood-years
>>220971421Its supposed to be a mystery but some Fandom channels point to Cyprus. It intersects with all the countries that the main Greek speaks the language of. The mediation beads and his dislike for Turkish people point to that region.
>>220971451>>220971473Season one was the sizzle that prepared you for the steak. You werent getting the regular slop now. Omar being a stickup man of a crew would make him mythical especially if he hadnt been caught by anyone. Even the kids are playing as him which is why bunk roast him for his negative influence.
>>220971451I think he may have had this massive reputation on the East Side, which is almost like a different city the way the Wire portrays it.Whereas in the Westside, unknown and irrelevant until he started ripping and running over there.If you look at Weebays reaction to hearing Omar, seems pretty strong... Though it could of just as easily been a "Who the fuck is that?" reaction.Y'know Bird jail wit Omar down the cut right? He said he all faggot.
>>220970921Meh. Marlo was probably the most realistic character. He got his 10 million and left the game
>>220971491Cypriots think of themselves as Greeks (or Turks depending on which side you’re on). So the Greek probably wouldn’t say “I’m not even Greek” if he was born and raised on Cyprus
>>220971593Nigga turned off the episode halfway lmao
>>220971599He might have meant his alias. Same way spyros says his name isnt even his name. To think it all started cause some sailor got horns and suffocated a container full of girls is insane.
>>220971592Bird looks like the boyfriend from moesha.
>>220971451Breaking Bad did it worse when Jesse introduced Tuco as some mid level hombre Skinny Pete knew from jail and he turned out as a main player in a important branch of the largest cartel
>>220971678said sailor lost his hands and face
>>220971704Skinny pete nor Jesse would be privy to that information.
>>220971763Everybody in jail would know his street cred
>>220966284he had the coke connect
>>220967670I feel like the season should end with him getting popped at the corner instead of chasing away the hoodlums. It would complete the circle. There can be no vacuum of power in the drug trade
>>220971689Might have been?
>>220966284Marlo is cunning and ruthless, he gives commands and does it well
