The horror
what asshole brings a child into this world?I already resent my parents for giving birth to me
>>220967683yes, women and children are the biggest spenders, that's why jews are panicking about the "birth rate crisis"
To have a limp dick is actually a trophy. It is the truly desired state of the dick, if you're not reproducing.
>>220967730the biggest money sinks*
>>220967683Both the left and woke right hate this message.
>>220967720FPBPeven if you get born in a first world country all you have to look forward to is being wageslaves to psychopaths who eat ch*ldren in weird islands
I was wondering why my 4chud buddy who no longer wants to be friends with me decided to ghost me forever but it makes sense when I realize I’m an antinatalist chud while he’s married with kids and I didn’t even go to his wedding. Fuck him.
>>220967683he wasn't seeing "horror" when he puts on the glasses, you've let the retarded memes overtake what is actually being shown in the film
>>220967730You're just a loser.
If you hate kids and the idea of having a family, just say you got abused or had a shitty childhood. It's ok.Anyone who despises the idea of kids and family is a damaged loser.
>>220967683as someone finally 100% in age and socio economic position to do this, no excuses nowit's sad that I think this is the next correct step but I don't want thisI barely have time to me, my family, vidya, friends and fucking around as it is, I can't imagine having time at all if I have to take care of kids on top of it allyou know taking correct care of kids, not buying them a laptop and pretend they've been taken care of
>>220967782fuck off normie
>>220967720>>220967730>>220967732>>220967740>>220967744>>220967757>>220967761>>220967768>>220967782>>220967787hey guys? this is an internet message board for discussing film, not whatever the fuck you're doing, go talk to a therapist, terminally online faggots
It is horror bringing a child into the modern world
>>220967812film is jewish garbage and so is star trek and all TV shows
Antinatalism is the ultimate jewish psyop. No, a hundred thousand generations before you were not wrong. You are. Ontologically.
>>220967863>Ontologicallymeaningless judeo-christcuck buzzword
>>22096788314 words.
>>220967720Why haven't you killed yourself then
>>220967683Genz horror in a nutshell
>>220967828actually spouting your childish worldview when nobody asked for it is jewish garbage
>>220967898spite.
>>220967925caring about TV and film is childishgrow up
>>220967898cause it would be the ultimate confirmation that my life was just an utterly pointless waste and all the misery and pain was for absolutely nothing and I just can't do tthat
>>220967720The problem is not giving birth to you, the problem boomers being selfish to sell their children's future to benefit their own.They are the first generation in human history to do this. It is an anomoly.
>>220967683tfw the foreign alien overlords are more human than our current establishment. >>220967863What does ontological mean again?I know what deontological ethics are, but that doesn't mean ontological is consequentialist, does it?
The nuclear family is a psy op.
>>220967787Boohoo faggot. Your great grandma raised 4 kids in a chicken coop during the great depression
>>220967980I'm assuming based on your nihilistic faggotry that you think that there's nothing after death, so what does that confirmation matter? You're not going to be able to ruminate on it or be a mopey bitch anymore.
>>220967683>zoomers have it so bad they want to be goyslaves
>>220968081and she never had time to do anythingsit with your grandma who had 6 kids even for half an hour and ask her if she would have wanted more free time
>>220968075yep, it's even in the name (atomization)more families = more spending (houses, cars etc.)
The movie was a psyop to make you resent that message.
>>220967683This is how easy getting married and having kids was during the boomer years
>>220968133if you don't automatically resent the idea your base instincts are being manipulated to feed you and your loved ones to a machine that hates you, then you simply do not have a soul, you aren't human.
>>220968090>desperately hang onto some kind of meaning in my life>you must be a nihilistwhy was I born in a world with nothing but drooling fucking retards
>>220967683>t. didn't watch the movie
>>220968156Both of your posts were about how meaningless life is so I'm dearly sorry that I came to an assumption
>>220968202You should learn to read.
>>220967967you care enough to be browsing and posting on the tv and film board, retard
>>220968223You should stop being a eunuch
>>220968202its funny to think you don't just have poor reading comprehension, but rather a defense mechanism that kicks in any time you sense "nihilism" that causes your cognitive abilities to shut down and back away from anything remotely resembles such sentiments. someone should come up with a term for this phenomenon.
>>220968265You should stop being a eunuch
>>220968280thanks for proving the point.
>>220967980Antinatalists will really say the most pathetic shit imaginable and then expect you to take their opinions seriously. Newsflash buddy, the people having kids aren't worthless losers like you. They'll do just fine.
>>220968156He's right, anon, you are a nihilist.It's not reading comprehension, you are just retarded.
>>220968292you were bred for slaughter and so will be your (non-existent) children.
>>220968249I only post here because the other boards are dead as fuck
>>220968280who are you trying to kid?the only pussy you ever touched was your mom's
>>220968290Every IQ test I've taken said that reading comprehension is literally my greatest skill, I was at a college level when I was ten, etc etc. Writing off having children without being in a religious vocation is one step away from committing suicide. When parents die their flesh and blood is still walking and breathing but your faggot ass will be gone entirely in every capacity. You've yet to give your grand reason for living that isn't securing your genetic lineage.
>>220968292Truth nuke
>>220968338... you just proved the point again.
>>220967683You missed the point entirely.
>>220967683Imagine a world where you need to brainwash people into reproducing. Does it sound like a healthy society to you?
>>220968357>i'm sad and pathetic faggot, PLEASE don't call me a sad and pathetic faggotReasons for not committing suicide given: 0
>>220968373you always needed brainwash men into itit's commanded in the Bible for a reason
>>220968400You were accused of engaging in cognitive dissonance any time you "sensed" sentiments you can't handle. You proved it three times now. Have a nice day.
>>220968400do you even know what nihilism means or are you just an NPC parroting talking points you saw from some "based" jeet on X?
>>220968307You'd like that to be true wouldn't ya? After all your whole life depends on that cope. Since life is nothing but suffering, nobody's life is better than yours and you get to see yourself as the smart guy for opting out. Unfortunately that ain't reality. Plenty of folks live good lives and are happy. You're just projecting your own failure.
>>220968454life doesn't have to be nothing but suffering. but it currently is, by design, and people like (you) propagate the system, for little more than good boy points.
>>220968425>>220968434Okay, you're not a nihilist. You've still moped and bitched away from securing your bloodline's existence, and that's gay.
>>220968477are you really so braindead to not recognize when more than one person thinks you're a deluded retard?
>>220968496I don't care, you're all wrong
>>220968454unfortunately I was neither lucky enough to live an easy rich nepo baby life nor dumb enough to live happily as dumb cattle in a nightmare world
>>220968475This. "Life is suffering" is a meme. All it does is keep those suffering, in acceptance mode. Look at the world and plenty of people go through with almost zero hardship. But they'll act like they do, and tell the worse off people, that's just the way it is.
>>220968513man, i should've inb4'd that but i didn't want to think you were that predictable.
>>220967720I remember asking my father, why are we so broke, he responded we just are. Then I asked him why the fuck did he even have kids if he couldn't provide fuck all for us, he responded for motivation.
>>220968521cognitive dissonance strikes again
>>220968527>I can't reproduce because da elitez will do some vague bad thing at some point in the futureI don't care how many of you have this mindset, you're wrong. If denying da elitez the continued presence of goy slaves is so important, how is not having children different from not killing yourself? You're feeding the machine right now.
>>220968475And your solution is...for everyone to stop reproducing so the human race goes extinct? Oookay, have a nice day buddy. I'll be sure to tell my grandkids how retarded your movement was.
>>220968573my solution is accelerationism. so the frogs, (you), notice the water getting hotter.but hey, that one guy who says and does everything you don't like sure is an inconsistent weirdo right?
>>220968591People aren't going to notice how bad things are because no one showed up to your funeral
>>220967720some people are very mediocre and the only semi important thing they will do in their lives is having children.
>>220968685How many Nobel Prizes have you won recently?
>>220968591>"my solution is accelerationism!">thinks the next system hasn't already been decided
>>220967683They want more slaves to make line go up. That's all it is.Otherwise we might have to raise taxes on the 1%.
>>220968477>securing your bloodline's existencewhat does that even mean? If you reproduce, AND your children do, AND etc., then in a few generations, a few "average" or "a bit better than average" people will have tiny amounts of your DNA, your last name, and... that is some type of cosmic, "infinite" success? It will make you happier for the rest of your life? or?
>>220968765They switched over to importing third worlders for that decades ago
>>220968785>It will make you happier for the rest of your life?Yes, that is literally how every organism on earth functions. No, you're not some enlightened thinker for refusing to do it, just like you wouldn't be for refusing to eat or sleep.
>>220968759its clear they want techno-feudalism. the goal is to make that not more appealing than something people remember.
>>220968757you can find meaning and motivation in other things that are not having childrenbut yeah,some days is a pain in the ass,being absolutely free and having nothing to live or die for as a consequence.
>>220968832> find meaning and motivation in other things that are not having childrenYou can do that while not cuckolding yourself out of the gene pool.
>>220968818>No, you're not some enlightened thinker for refusing to do it,I know that. I just don't think "securing your bloodline" is a real, concrete thing. Your descendants after a few generations will be not very much like you in any way. Hopefully, theyll still be white though lol. Simply trying to become financially independent so I can stop working and avoid other unpleasantries is already too much of a pain and take too much time. Would be impossible if I had kids. That's nice if you want to work for decades and have kids, or have a lot of money and want kids though.
>>220968863the fuck do I give a shit about the gene pool
>>220967683Are there actually examples of ads that promote marriage and children?
>>220968863lets be real,a lot of dads should work more on themselves before reproducing,its women who really have the need to pop a bay out of the vagina before they are 35.
>>220968908go forth and multiplyadvertised by countless televangelists
>>220968863maybe after the tykes have grown up LOL
>>220968893Cope
I wonder how many people with children regret having them in contrast to people that never had children and regret not having them.
>>220968943never seen one
>>220969041men's brain physically change after they have a child to fool them into caring about them
>>220969041women are all but guaranteed to regret not having children as they age. men, not so much.
>>220969134anon your brain physically changes in response to everything. That's how memories are stored.
>>220967720thanks timmy, 10,000 more niggers were born in the poorest continent on the planet while you wrote this post
>>220967683Was John Carpenter into freelove? Or going through a divorce at the time?
>>220969183what does that have to do with me?
>>220967683reproducing is fine and necessary. marriage is just more jew control bullshit.
>>220967683I don't want kids, I don't want responsibility, I want to have all the time in world to play videogames all day and only have responsibility for myself
>>220969183a trend that's only possible because (((we))) keep feeding them.
>>220969206don't worry about it, go back to your anime
>>220969245imagine devoting what little mental capacity you have to being afraid of niggers living in non-functional countries
>>220969183>niggers do it so you must do it too!let me guess, you're American
Marriage without kids (voluntarily) is great, but both parties have to be honest about that right from the start. It rarely works out that way. The wife wants a kid. The dad wants a son. I got three kids from two marriages, and three small grandkids. Was it worth it? Now that I'm not raising any, it seems like it was. Early on when we were broke and she was expecting, it was hellish sometimes.
>>220969302Indians became a larger percentage of the global population in the time that it took you to write that post
>>220967787if you care that much about vidya you aren’t ready, vidya is for genuine spare time, not something to organize your life around. Get busy living or you’re getting busy dying
>>220968785not him but it’s an honor to be a part of the great chain of life I met an “alien” in a dream that told me he was my descendant 4.2 million years from now and I never have woken up so happy before
>this thread again
>>220969447so what?it wasn't indians that created a system that allows some tech indian to rule over a large chunk of your life, that was mostly rich white people no matter how much you cope about it
>>220969622I don't know if that's the exact wording I would use
>>220968133
>>220967812You must be lost
>>220967812This is an internet message board for waifufagging but with 3DPD
>>220967720There's too many niggers and Indians in this world. That's why I had kids lmao. If there where 1 billion of my people (The Dutch) I probably wouldn't have had children, but getting redpilled on race and demographics changed my perspective fully. I have two children currently, and plan to have as many as I can support.
>>220969589The whole board is 10-20 threads spammed over and over again. For eternity.
>>220969903is this like an abused wife thing with the Dutch?lusting after and emulating their abusers?
>>220967683>tfw women won't have a kid with you even in an entire society controlled by aliens that brainwash them into doing it
>>220969522says a guy that comes often to a board that cares obsessively about tv
>>220969903Whites will never outbreed the darkskins. Eventually they will take over. A world full of mutt slaves ruled by the jews. It's inevitable. It's the final plan.
>>220969992Doesn't matter. I live in a country with a shit tier birth rate and too many nafris, any healthy natives born is a plus as far as I see it. One Dutch person is worth like fifty of those shitskins.
>>220970040who needs more tulip niggers in the world?
>>220967683>Make more children for us so we can toss them in a wood chipper when we launch a war of choice>No, we won’t make it easier to buy a house or get a good paying job
>>220967730You are so fucking stupidSo stupidI WISH they were 'attacking the crisis but they're doing the opposite, they're encouraging it'Commie brains are full of literal shit. They contort reality to fit their dumb theories. That's why they always end up murdering everyone. Because reality just isn't going the way they demand.
>>220969973this is my anonymous chat board
>>220969903there are also way too many fucking stupid sub 90 iq white people that amount to absolutely nothing and only make this country worse. they are spiritually niggers
>>220970551t.
>>220968081>4
>>220968081it was more like 8
>>220970214meds, now
>>220968133sorry it doesn't matter; see "death of the author"
>>220969041we don't know because its taboo to talk about it.this is why public perception is skewed towards "you will regret being childless in your 50s" - because people with children who regret it don't talk about it, they suffer through it.
>>220969183birth rates are declining literally everywhere in the world. even shitholes like somalia went from 8.0 to 4.0 in the last couple of decades.barring some sci-fi cloning tech, we will peak at 10 billion by 2060 and then steadily decline
>>220969774Checks out, that's why he has no shades on while posting this
Does propaganda really work?
>>220971306Multiple anons in this very thread have been convinced to revile their most core biological instinct
>>220967683>"OooOOOoooOH the evil space aliens live amongst us! They want you to consoom, get married and reproduce! Resist! Fight the power!">guy who consooms shit videogames, produced shitty movies and music for you to consoom, got married twice and had childrenWhat was his problem exactly?
>>220971342shitting yourself is a biological instinctappeal to nature is babby's first argument
>>2209713062020 wasn't that long ago, you forgotten already?
You shouldn't take things out of context. It completely changes the meaning.
>>220971009You generally will though and can't experience it until it's too late to go back. By the 50s, your parents are likely dead, you're out of the dating pool, any kid you have now will be unlikely to reach adulthood before you croak, you have no one that's deeply tied to you. Friends can come and go, but your kids will be a part of you until you die. Unless you fuck it up or they're shit kids which happens. The idea is you take care of them, set them up for success, and they take care of you when you're diminishing, plus you give them you remaining wealth at the end so they can continue to build and have their own family. No kids then it all ends with you, pretty pathetic and miserably.
>>220967683So my autistic mental fortitude is so strong that I have successfully resisted the subliminal messaging all along, and to my own personal benefit...
>>220971442>NOOOO!!! HAVING CHEAP AND EASY ACCESS TO MORE FOOD THAN MY ALL OF MY ANCESTORS COMBINED IS LE BAD!!!! THEY'RE LITERALLY ENSLAVING US WITH HEATED HOMES AND INDOOR PLUMBING!!
>>220971500There has literally never been a good time to have children
>>220971487What is the benefit of removing yourself from the gene pool?
>>220971366How can shitting yourself be a biological instinct if it requires you wear clothes, which aren't biological?
>>220971468if concentrating wealth and setting up the next generation is the endgame as you say (lmao) then wouldnt it still be better to have plenty of childless aunts and uncles who concentrate THEIR wealth on fewer children, so those kids will be in an even better position to start? so, having SOME childless dead ends in a family pool should still be beneficial according to your own logic, right? then how come you brand those supporters of their nieces and nephews pathetic?
>>220967768>>220970214We won't fall for your trickery and lies anymore. The day of reckoning is nigh.
>>220971442>magazines and ads try to sell you stuffWow, so dystopian. Carpenter was truly ahead of his time.
>>220971516true. but nowadays women have a choice in the matter.and plenty of them opt out of this raw deal altogether., which means it has always been shit.and instead of being bold and re-think how we structure families and homes, to make it more appealing for the modern world, lets instead blame it on le jews
>>220969903>1 billion of the most stuck up, unfunny, petty pieces of shit on the planet I would rather live in fucking brazil than the world with such demographic
>>220971609The appeal was Marriage which required the man to stick around and provide while the woman stayed at home. Now marriage is laughably expensive and treated as a joke and guys just ditch out leaving the dumb women as single mothers working shitty jobs
>>220971564Who is "we" commiefaggot? Do you have a bug in your hair? You don't speak for the people here.
>>220971609Miserable, single women are usually the only ones convincing other women to opt out of that deal because misery loves company, but the second they can they have kids and get married. Its not an issue with the millions year old system, its just that women are retarded and dont know what they want.
>>220971609you're retardedthese women who 'opt out' end up miserable>>220971618shut the fuck up, idiot loser
>>220971651I suggest you actually talk to your (great-)grandparents for one and see how "awesome" their marriages were, they're surprisingly candid at old age and the shit they pulled will make your head spin.marriage has always been rough, but it was rougher for women because they were literally completely dependent on the guy for everything, including money.they didnt stay because marriage is sacred, they stayed because they had no other choice.women even being allowed to work without spousal or parental approval only became a thing in the 60s and 70s.now they all have a choice and they abandon it in droves, dont blame the choice, blame this shitty deal.
>>220971546I'm obviously talking about shitting yourself in a fear or flight situation, not the wearing pants part, dumb-dumb
>>220968327 Not even. Most births are C section
>>220971731only in Americaso hospitals can charge more
>>220971698Gonna charge me 35 cents on tiki for this insult, ik ook?
>>220967683At the time the movie was made, the world's infrastructure, medicine, civilization, and science continued needing Americans and Europeans to build and train other on the infrastructure. So they needed more Europeans and Americans of Euro descent to continue producing children by the truck loads. The desired number was reached plus computer tech progressed greatly, so the powers at be have shifted and pivoted to no reproduction message.
>>220969903Dutch women are all mudsharks and dykes
>>220971041we will naturally bounce back at some point instead of going to 0, but the transition may be very rough if it keeps cratering like it is nowalso if we do mass cloning it’s over for the species, imagine a billion dysgenic musk clones roaming the earth. we need sexual selection, it’s better than the alternative
>>220971775>no reproduction messagethat explains the state of things in japan
>>220971850>we will naturally bounce back at some pointwhile I agree that there will be an equilibrium beyond 0, I think it wont ever go back up above replacement levels, e.g. 2.0 anytime soon.both men and women now have a choice in when and how many children they want. birth control was a watershed moment in human history and we still havent seen the end of this wave.so some people will opt out of having children altogether, if current trends hold, it will be about 1/4 of people never having children through their entire lives, which puts the actual replacement rate for the couples that still have children at 3.0.thus every couple with children would have to have 3 in order for the world population to stay exactly the same, which is extremely unlikely.as long as birth control and personal choice are part of the equation, we will steadily decline in population, this is simply the price of freedom
>>220971041birthrates are only above replacement level in third world shitholes where people live their entire lives off humanitarian aid
>>220971980there is ongoing selection though, some people still have large families despite those issues. they will be here in the subsequent generations and increasingly grow in share. family values will become more intuitive and hardwired. right now a lot of people are being filtered out, we won’t just stay the same people forever. a depopulated world with only pro family people remaining will have birth rate spikes, it may be 100 or 300 years from now but we will bounce back you can also imagine a curious angle, like gay rights. gay rights means gay men don’t marry and reproduce nearly as much as they used to. they just blast butts straight from the start. freedom is actually selecting against homosexuality now as they no longer face societal pressure to adopt a beard woman. the future will consist of more straight men since queers are reproducing less now
>>220972071even third world countries have steadily declining birth ratesthough trump cut off the free condom shipments so maybe they'll rise again
While I don't hate the message per seI am a loser with a shit life and the world would be better if I didn't exist>so why don't you kill yourselfI'm a coward who hates pain and my country doesn't allow guaranteed painless death aka morphine overdose euthanasia
>>220972100>family values will become more intuitive and hardwired.nigga do you think biology works on timescales of centuries?and you keep forgetting that we left "biological instinct" behind us tens of thousands of years ago.theres only cultural pressure now, and the modern culture we chose is 100% primed on individual choice and excellence, which means everybody gets a say in how they want to structure and live their own lives.so SOME people will always choose differently, e.g. no children. this trend wont change anytime soon, personal and economic choice and liberty is a cornerstone of the modern world. and children coming from families with many children wont automatically choose to have many kids themselves, its always up to the individual to flip this coin.
>>220971775>At the time the movie was made, the world's infrastructure, medicine, civilization, and science continued needing Americans and Europeans to build and train other on the infrastructure. So they needed more Europeans and Americans of Euro descent to continue producing children by the truck loadsThe birth rate had been in decline for a while at this pointLook the point is, the movie is wrong, Carpenter is an idiot leftist whose frame of the world is wrong, he imagines some capitalist consumer world when that is not what we live in.
>>220972219it is very much what he lived in the 80s
>>220972196i just think you’re dooming too much, change has been quite rapid so assuming things will stay the same way is premature to me. doom will be for the rest of our lifetimes but not our grandchildren or theirs maybe like yeah some of those big families will still have kids that don’t have kids, but it’s about the proportion. a lot of people with weak family wiring are being weeded out right now. a complete collapse in the birth rate actually accelerates natural selection a lot
>>220971724>>220971366What an abysmal clapback
>>220972241Well he was completely wrong about this, so...
>>220972219>he imagines some capitalist consumer world when that is not what we live in.yes anon, china's GDP isn't entirely built around producing cheap shit and selling it to the rest of the world. no sir.
>>220972248you misunderstand, I dont think its a bad thing that birthrates are declining. the personal liberties of the modern world are a good thing.if declining birthrates is the price of this freedom, then so be it.I'm just arguing that there is no reason to assume this trend will change anytime soon. the forces that made these declining birthrates possible will still be here in 200 years. theres ways to perhaps mitigate these issues, but people having a choice in childplanning will still be true for our great-grandchildren.this cat is out of the bag, the only question is how we want to deal with it.the corner issue is that every person in the world needs to have 2 children over the course of their lives in order for the world population to stay exactly the same. personal choice enables some people to opt out of this altogether, thus the "population issue" will always remain. taking this kind of personal freedom away from people and just "forcing" them (like the deal used to be) is simply not gonna fly anymore.
>>220972333>the corner issue is that every person in the world needs to have 2 children over the course of their lives in orderwell you'd need more like 2.5 children on average to compensate for things early deaths, terminal autism, etc.
>>220972241Carpenter worked in Hollywood and had to deal with cut throat movie execs and producers. Most of his films flopped hard, he went through a divorce a few years prior, he was a chainsmoker, its really no surprise he had a very pessimistic view of the world. The problem is he assumed the average joe with a good job, kids and a wife were caught up in the same dystopian hellscape he imagined, or part of the machine. Sometimes youre not actually onto some grand conspiracy, you're just a weirdo shouting at the clouds.
>>220967730>children are the biggest spendersyou got a source on that pal?
>>220972333>the forces that made these declining birthrates possible will still be here in 200 yearschildren being a financial liability due to steadily increasing prices of [everything] and stagnation of wages? This is what you're talking about you know. The idea of another 200 years of progression of this should horrify you, not be something you casually mention as a given.
>>220972333what my basic crux is - do you think we will just to zero?I don't think we'll go extinct just because people arent choosing to reproducewe are currently selecting for, and will continue to do so over decades and possibly centuries, people who are naturally wired to think "i have personal freedom - and I want to use that to have a family"that's what I'm doing with my freedom for example. I cant guarantee my children will do the same, but perhaps there is something genetically different in my wife and I compared to others
>>220972415We've all gotten numb to the horrorsI just want to rot in peace
>>220969903gebaseerd
>>220972449you only think you're numb because its still tolerable.
>>220972415again, you're missing the point..income and "being able to afford children" barely moves the birthrate needle.people in the biggest poverty shitholes still have the highest birthrates in the world, because those people enjoy fewer personal and economic freedoms, and especially their women, are practically bottlenecked into the default "have children" lifestyle.even if everybody was living comfortably and could afford children, plenty of them wouldn't have them for various reasons.its this possibility of choice that is the nail in the coffin for birthrates, not the price of daycare or schooling.although cost of living has SOME effect on birthrates, the availability of birth control and women having agency in their own lives has a far bigger impact.
>>220967683It is if it’s aliens telling you to do this
>>220972285Look dumbassIf the le capitalists ran things, yes they would be telling us to marry and reproduce, so that we would create more workers and consumersBut that isn't the world we live in. We are run by ideologues, who tell us not to marry and make it difficult to reproduce, because they hate us and want us dead. Even if it costs them money.
>>220967720the movie implies you have to impregnate the aliens
>>220972415>children being a financial liability due to steadily increasing prices of [everything] and stagnation of wages? This is what you're talking about you know.These are not the cause of declining birthrates. It's the wealthiest people having the fewest kids and the poorest the most. It's feminism, basically, that causes it.
>>220972525>income and "being able to afford children" barely moves the birthrate needle.its the primary, singular driver of the birthrate needle. children used to be an investment in your future. Now they're exclusively a cost, pretty much everywhere at that.
>>220972615then why not push more femnism into third world countries?seems much more promising than screaming racist screeds at your countrymen urging them to have more kids
>>220972644Stop just asserting shit. This has been studied. You're wrong.
>>220972615>It's feminism, basically, that causes it.feminism just argues that women should have agency in their own lives and they shine a light on the reality of the situation of parenthood, marriage and societal norms.they are just the flashlight that exposed the monster, the idea of the nuclear family has always been rough and only worked because women had no other viable lifestyle options.whats required is a bold re-imagination of what it means to be a family and how we structure having children, the idea of family needs to be expanded, and the burden of raising children needs to fall on many more people, not just women.this is the only thing that could bring birthrates back up above replacement levels, or we can blame le feminism for another generation and get nowhere.
>>220972660oh golly gee a study wow that changes everything.
>>220972644>>220972660I think what's missing is that it takes RADICAL amounts of money to move the needle, that virtually no government on earth is doing. Giving me $10,000 for a kid still puts me in the hole. The trump baby bonus is worthless. My kids are still a net "loss". Give me a million and a house and maybe that changes things (assuming no inflation etc.).It takes a radical amount of money to flip kids from being costs to being money makers
>>220972615>the wealthiest peoplebillionaires>the poorest people who survive off humanitarian aid, who get more food the more kids they havethis isn't difficult.
>>220967683you can tell a jew made the movie
>>220972700you argue that children were seen as an investment in the future, when the reality of previous generations was much simpler.people fuck, and fucking results in children.this used to be true for all of human history, until the 1960s when birth control became widely available, fucking remains but it doesnt necessarily cause children anymore, thus fewer children are being born.your great-grandparents didnt have children because they saw it as a sacred mission or future investment, they had them because they kept fucking.
>>220972754I believe the mistake you're making is you're including browns in your assessment of why people have children. Which, in civilization, had become a fairly intricate process with multiple rituals and failsafes.
>>220972793this is not a cultural issue, it used to be like this everywhere in the world until a few generations ago when technology enabled people (especially women) to take charge of their lives.a white woman born in 1890 england literally had no other choice but to attach to a guy and be mother to his children. the deal of the nuclear family that guaranteed many children worked because one party was practically forced into it (men were also forced into it to a lesser extent, for other reasons)if the deal falls apart because both parties have to agree now, it has always been a shitty deal from the get go.
>>220968133>Le 80s-90s movie criticizes capitalism/Reaganism/yuppiesAll these movies kind of suck desu, atleast thematically. Very bare bones basic bitch criticisms, very few movies do it right though.
>>220972857>parties have to agree now,this will be beautiful for the future of the human race, i think we'll evolve to be less tribal though, more able to live alone like bears or something
>>220972857>birthrates aren't a cultural issuelmao
>>220973499if somalians were a wealthy people and america was poor, then we would have 4 children per woman and they would be the ones complaining about feminism.birthrates are defined by how much agency people have in their own lives. they either can make the choice consciously, thus enabling some people to choose no children, or the choice can be made for them by having no choice at all.these same forces are at work everywhere in the world, no culture or peoples are more or less likely to have children than others, they are all just reacting to the reality and available choices in their lives.
>>220973616my nigger, you are an absolute retard.african birth rates are high because you get more food aid the more kids you have
>>220967980Nah my best friend managed to heroe'd after few attempts. You actually like living too much to die.
>>220973655wrong. they are high because theres very little birth control available and "mother" is the default lifestyle option for 95% of women there.the economic aspect of children is only a minor concern for people, they couldnt stop having children even if they wanted to.no birth control = fucking results in children, and people will fuck no matter how poor they are. the fact that they get more food/money for it is just a beneficial side effect, not the root cause
>>220973733Anon, this is critical race theory level retardation you're espousing.
>>220973764stop foaming at the mouth and try to follow my line of reasoning:fact 1: people (especially young people) will fuck no matter how poor they arefact 2: fucking results in children eventually if you dont have access to birth controlfact 3: women in poor societies have no other lifestyle choice but latch on to a man and become mother, thus increasing the likelyhood of getting pregnant even more.these 3 facts combined is what drives birthrates in poor countries, not some food aid.and birthrates in those poor countries are still decreasing rapidly because birth control, personal and economic agency makes their way to these places eventually. they dropped from 8.0 to 4.0 children per woman since the late 70s. and food/money aid to these places has only increased in the last decades, but even their birthrates fell rapidly. they are just 2-3 generations behind the curve. so your theory of "gibs from the west fuels nigger babies" doesnt hold any water at all.
>>220973733you can have sex for years with the pull out methodi got my wife pregnant on the first try without itmost men are just too retarded to pull out properly
Reproducing is the best thing that I ever did for satisfaction in life. I knew I wanted kids but I didn't know it would fulfill me so much. I'm not married because I'm not the courtroom marriage type and organizing a marriage when you live away from family and friends sounds like a logistical nightmare.
>>220973857friendly reminder that precum can also get a girl pregnant. pulling out is nowhere near as safe as you think it is, you just got lucky.
>>220973921that’s a myth and mostly only a concern if you haven’t cum in a while
>>220973851Your line of reasoning is "culture" (read: civilization) has nothing to do with birth rates. This is akin to the line of reasoning in critical race theory, where every aspect of humanity that is conducive to having/forming a functional civilization is actually just white supremacy, thus bad, and if the ruling class were rude, dishonest, murdering, thieving, short sighted, etc, etc, then those would be the characteristics of people their non-existent civilization would hold in high esteem. Because for some reason both your line of reasoning and critical race theory hold that civilization is a fundamental given and will happen/exist no matter what and has no effect on people or why they do things. To support your thesis, you reference a "nation" that only exists at all because the british drew lines on a map.You're an absolute fuckwit and would do the world a great favor if you never spoke again, about anything.
>>220972678It's not "feminism" it's "female sexual emancipation." When you destroy monogamy you get collapsed birth rates. You think this is emancipation but women are fucking miserable with this. >>220972700Yes actually, looking at what societies have done through all of history and their effects is in fact useful.This is not some fake political correctness crap, which is the main reason most studies are bad. Its conclusions are the opposite of that.>>220972711>>220972720Money barely moves the needle. The richest people have the fewest kids and the poorest the most.But the correlation isn't perfect.Know where the correlation is perfect? Religiosity is a good one. Rich religious people are the only rich people who have kids. And poor secular feminist people have few. For the aforementioned reasons. Ultimately people need the security of marriage to stably reproduce. The other pattern, the niggerghetto babymama, does not work us.
>>220973733You are so confident in your wrongness.Birth control has always existed. There are two thousand year old condoms.And there are tons of poor demographics out there with shit birth rates. Checked latin america lately?It's literally just monogamy versus sexual promiscuity. The first leads to families leads to children. The second leads to collapse of families and reproduction.
>>220974441>The richest people have the fewest kids and the poorest the most.Because you're making the mistake of thinking people in "nations" that only exist because other people drew lines on a map are just identical to first worlders. This is wholesale nonsense and the definition "fake political correctness crap." You actively ignore every difference between living in an actual functional civilization and africa and then pretend the level of a civilization is irrelevant.
>>220968133I didn't think the movie had any actual "message" per se. I mean, I thought it was just a science-fiction movie based off of various common conspiracy theories about aliens popular among UFO cults like Scientology. And really, these UFO cults pretty much just structure their belief systems on older belief systems. Satan and demons = Xenu and aliens That whole unrestrained capitalism thing is pretty common among the hippie and UFO cult types.
>>220967720Idk bro, I have fun sometimes
>>220967720you could’ve aborted yourself in the womb if you wanted to own your choices in life
>>220967883>judeo-christcuck
>>220974477>Birth control has always existed. There are two thousand year old condoms.you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. the contraception pill is literally 100% effective, cheap to make and easy to use. its an absolute game changer in terms of human reproduction and we will feel the effects from this discovery for many centuries.a sheep gut condom is not even in the same ballpark. technically pulling out has also always existed as a "contraception" method, but literally everything before the 1960s was either expensive, awkward to use, and prone to failure, or all of the above.and if you think that promiscuity is purely a modern, western invention then you need to wake the fuck up, people whore around even in conservative societies. the quality of marriage or faithfulness of the spouses is actually best right now in wealthy countries because people consciously choose to marry and start a family. and those who cant make it work just divorce.if theres no divorce on the table and you are bottlenecked into marriage early in your life, it is literal hell for all parties involved.you can sperg about le bad women all you want, but for all its faults, the current deal where another person chooses you voluntarily and for love is the best there ever was.
>>220975240>he doesn't know about the italian herb that was harvested to extinction by the ancient romans because it caused miscarriages
>>220975295>was only in use for less than a century because the romans harvested it into extinctionso, by definition, NOT cheap, easy to use, and completely effective? thanks for proving my point, still nowhere near as good as current birth control methods - which are THE main reason for declining birthrates
>>220975240It doesn't matter. High fertility groups have access to all of that and still reproduce. People had birth control in the past and still reproduced. It doesn't make a difference.>and if you think that promiscuity is purely a modern, western invention then you need to wake the fuck up, people whore around even in conservative societies. the quality of marriage or faithfulness of the spouses is actually best right now in wealthy countries because people consciously choose to marry and start a family. and those who cant make it work just divorce.You have a major personal defect of being objectively wrong yet confidently asserting yourself.Look up illegitimacy rates, around the world and historical. They are enormously high now and here, compared to past and traditional places.>if theres no divorce on the table and you are bottlenecked into marriage early in your life, it is literal hell for all parties involved.Bull shit. Those men living in "hell" all were wililng to go die for their country. The young generations with all this "freedom" can barely find the energy to get out of bed.Marriage gave men and women the will to live. Take it away and they have nothing.
>>220975404birth control is birth control anon. proven historical precedent that once a civilization becomes functional, it starts controlling birth rates by any means possible. Harvested to extinction so quickly due to high demand.
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>>220975405name one group of people in the world that has a standard of living as high as the west, economic and personal freedom for women, cheap and access to birth control, AND still fertility rates at 2.0 or above. go ahead, I'll wait.>People had birth control in the past and still reproducedyou seriously underestimate how cheap, easy to use, commonly available and effective the current methods are. some herbal tea from antiquity doesnt even come close to the cultural and societal shift the birth control pill caused since the 60s.>Look up illegitimacy rates, around the world and historical. They are enormously high now and herebecause theres plenty of families not married anymore. a patchwork family where one or both bring a child from a previous marriage, or a family where mother and father were never married, doesnt mean that people are more unfaithful to eachother.the fact that divorce and voluntary marriage exists makes people more likely to be serious about it. and again, if you think that spouses in Iraq or somalia arent whoring around then you need to wake the fuck up. they just do it in secret. at least the whores in the west are honest about it, and its your job as a man to weed them out if you want to have a serious family.>Bull shit. Those men living in "hell" all were wililng to go die for their country.and you're taking out of your ass again. the age of the average WW2 draftee was 20yo, most of these boys hadnt even gotten laid yet, nevermind married. they didnt die because they found strength in the sanctity of marriage, they died because they were ordered to.
>>220969562>I met an “alien” in a dream that told me he was my descendant 4.2 million years from now and I never have woken up so happy beforebased. I don't dream.
>>220967720Le eggy
>>220967683Only a jew would think this phrase is concerning.
>>220975792jews marry and reproduce though
>>220969903kinda based. I'm a blonde, good anglo. My kids would be literally too good for this world lol. not my fault!
>>220970551>there are also way too many fucking stupid sub 90 iq white people that amount to absolutely nothing and only make this country worseYou can determine how many whites have a sub 90 iq. The number of them is not high, especially compared to others.
>>220975661>name one group of people in the world that has a standard of living as high as the west, economic and personal freedom for women, cheap and access to birth control, AND still fertility rates at 2.0 or above. go ahead, I'll wait.Religious groups within the west. Mormons, mennonites, etc. >the fact that divorce and voluntary marriage exists makes people more likely to be serious about it. and again, if you think that spouses in Iraq or somalia arent whoring around then you need to wake the fuck up. they just do it in secret. at least the whores in the west are honest about it, and its your job as a man to weed them out if you want to have a serious family.You're just wrong dude. They get killed for doing it. Yes it still happens, rarely. So what?>and you're taking out of your ass again. the age of the average WW2 draftee was 20yo, most of these boys hadnt even gotten laid yet, nevermind married. they didnt die because they found strength in the sanctity of marriage, they died because they were ordered to.That's not really true but the point is they had the will to live and do things and modern males and females don't. They would go to war then come home and work 60 hours a week in a factory and it was all worth it to them because they had that. Without that people lose direction. Look how miserable women are.
>>220975837No they don't. Diaspora Jews have the lowest fertility and highest outmarriage rates in the world.>>220970551dumbfuck here making sure to tackle the real problems
>>220976113>Religious groups within the west. Mormons, mennonites, etc.lmao, can you read? these groups clearly don't have freedom of choice for women (and men) in their societies, they hinge on following a pre-established order with very little personal lifestyle options for their members.this is literally the opposite of what "agency and taking charge of your own life" means.>You're just wrong dude. They get killed for doing it.the women, occasionally, yes. in trad socieites its usually the men who whore around and break marriages, but they can get away with it because women have no social or legal recourse, its designed to be this way. but if you look at the quality of their marriages, they're even more miserable than the average white woman with green hair.>Without that people lose direction.what is your point even? that people back then were happier because they had more structure? if thats true, when why did things even change in the first place? if everything was hunky dory and everyone was happy, where would've been no reason for the endless debates about the role of women, or the value of labor, or the equality of society, everyone would've been content and in peace.the fact that feminism gained so much traction in society is because they had legitimate grieveances about how the game is rigged against women, and how both parties suffer from this arrangement. but go ahead and keep blaming the jews for the destruction of the west, I'm sure another decade of whining will somehow fix things.
>>220976268>lmao, can you read? these groups clearly don't have freedom of choice for women (and men) in their societies, they hinge on following a pre-established order with very little personal lifestyle options for their members.>this is literally the opposite of what "agency and taking charge of your own life" means.I guess we are talking about different things because I have no idea why you brought that up.My point is that it's not money. It's sexual liberation. Only groups without female sexual liberation reproduce.>what is your point even? that people back then were happier because they had more structure? if thats true, when why did things even change in the first place? if everything was hunky dory and everyone was happy, where would've been no reason for the endless debates about the role of women, or the value of labor, or the equality of society, everyone would've been content and in peace.We were happier and more willing to sacrifice because we had families>the fact that feminism gained so much traction in society is because they had legitimate grieveances about how the game is rigged against women, and how both parties suffer from this arrangement. but go ahead and keep blaming the jews for the destruction of the west, I'm sure another decade of whining will somehow fix things.Oh please. And the reason gay became so popular is because everyone just loved it so much, right? This stuff was imposed on us top down.
>>220976458so a gay agenda being imposed top down is le bad but a mormon agenda being imposed top down is le good? gotcha, flawless reasoning. people are just lemmings following orders anyways I guess, personal liberty is a sham, and the masses need to be herded for their own good.>We were happier and more willing to sacrifice because we had familieswho is this "we" you're talking about? I already told you that the average world war draftee was 20 and didnt have a family. they signed up because of patriotic duty "they attacked us!" or because the army was a free meal and a place to sleep. they didnt die for the sanctity of marriage. and the idea that people back then were happier is a stretch at best.its just more permitted to talk about grieveances now, everyone has a voice (for good or for ill) and everything is transmitted instantly and everything is debated for everyone to hear. the underlying spiritual happiness or unhappiness of people hasnt changed I would argue, its just all more in the open now.its selection bias because we hear and see everything nowadays, even the things we dont want to hear and see. if you have a 1950s housewife access to twitter, she would likely also complain about her drunk hambling husband and seem just as miserable as current white woman with green hair.
>>220967898if you're good at something never do it for free
>>220976145>Diaspora Jewspilpul over jews reproducing, funny
There is literally nothing more fulfilling in life than having children and paving their future. Countless generations of evolutionary pressure has designed you to want to fuck, reproduce, and raise your children to one day so the same. Nature does nothing in vain and will simply remove everyone else from the gene pool.
>>220976586>so a gay agenda being imposed top down is le bad but a mormon agenda being imposed top down is le good? gotcha,Yes? Because one causes good things and the other causes bad things?This isn't complicated>its just more permitted to talk about grieveances now, everyone has a voice (for good or for ill) and everything is transmitted instantly and everything is debated for everyone to hear. the underlying spiritual happiness or unhappiness of people hasnt changed I would argue, its just all more in the open now.It has changed and there are metrics for it. Like suicide or drug abuse. People are suffering now and not having families is probably the biggest problem. We are just repeating ourselves at this point and I have lost interest in this discussion so maybe we should stop.>>220976890Don't be retarded dude. The point is the liberal jews, the scheming jews, are not reproducing. Only the very weird backwards religious ones are.
>>220969903>The Dutch
>>220967720I resent your parents giving birth to you.
No one in their death bed is like "damn, i regret having children" but the opposite happens all the time
>>220977469death bed is just cope city. "damn, i regret having children" happens all too often but only inside your own head because it's insanely socially stigmatized to hate your children
>>220977469>No one in their death bed is like "damn, i regret having children"Are you nuts? Plenty of people do.
>>220968113>and she never had time to do anythingAnd do what with your free time? Shitpost on 4cuck? Great use of your so called "free time".
>>220968765Communists are subhuman freaks.
>>220967683Culture war slopped retards ITT. The point is that there are external pressures to marry and reproduce beyond your own internal desires, which confuse people and create broken families.
Anyone find it interesting how the same people saying we're suffering from an overpopulation crisis and that we need to stop having kids are the exact same people saying we need to import millions of third worlders?
>>220977276I resent almost everyone's parents giving birth to them, except a few attractive women, and a few capable men. Everyone else literally shouldn't have reproduced.
>>220971500>HEATED HOMES AND INDOOR PLUMBING!!This concept is unironically terrifying to most eastern europeans.
>>220977469Do you know how unlikely it would be for a person to regret having kids out loud? I've heard a few careful covert variations of it IRL, but nothing explicit of course. It's be akin saying "I really like torturing animals and fucking 5 year old children".
>>220977930There are many more external pressures against doing it, which is why people aren't doing it
>>220967683this wasn't a political movie. it goes deeper than that.
No one regrets having kids because the sense of satisfaction you get when you see them grow up and succeed it is the best feeling in world. You know the good feeling you get when you build something or something productive? Like if you build a piece of furniture? It's that times 10000. You spend years raising kids and then eventually you're able to see the results of your work. My oldest son is 11; I can watch him when he's playing sports and see the culmination of years of work and it's only going to get better as time goes on.Yes, you can still enjoy life without kids, but life with kids reaches higher levels of enjoyment.
Same pol threads over and over. Russia really has fucked up the internet.
>>220978142Ukraine lost
>>220978186And the shill immediately admits this is a russian bot thread.
>>220978242Are those bots with us in the Room right now?
>>220978142Back to Bluesky Troon
>>220978119I'm a miserable asshole who won't have kids, even though I'm good looking. This is a nice post. Glad for you.
>>220978119yeah that's part of how I psyched myself into having my son -- I know it will be tough for a while in some ways to make things work, but it seems to always pay off and be worth it in the end. Most old parents I meet all say they should've had more. Time goes by regardless of what you do. You can either have kids in 40 years or not, and they won't be work in 40 years.
>>220968133t. man who is desperately trying to not have his legacy and career absolutely scourged by the Jews who run everything lmao
>>220967720I want to have a child solely because it pisses people like you off
>>220977469I think there's plenty of adults out there that have kids but they end up KMSing anyways
>>220968133How is it slander? Wouldn’t it benefit them to control the world and wouldn’t that make them strong?
>>220978548>You can either have kids in 40 years or not, and they won't be work in 40 years.Occasionally they are, sadly, and more occasionally, they'll cause all kinds of strange shit before then.>t. knows someone with normal, decent parents with 6-figure jobs. Their son is gay with terrible health problems at age 43, although he has a decent job, and their daughter was a convicted felon at 28, and has been arrested for 3 more serious felonies at age 41 -- 100% chance of going to prison for 5-8 years, unless her lawyers find huge legal mistakes in all three cases (0% chance of that)I guess you could that's a little bit the parents' fault?
If you're being herded by an alien race like farm animals then yeah, it's pretty horrible.
>>220977469People beat/abandon their kids all the time, what are you talking about? You think they don't regret having them?
>>220978795>having a child out of spitelow and behold, the absolute peak of natalism. most people who have children shouldn't. your children are coveted as cogs in a cold and all eating machine. having children is the worst thing one can do if it isn't out of unconditional love AND competence.
>>220979130probably, and the work is voluntary at that point though. mostly amounts to handing over money. not actually raising or caring for them
>>220977969yeah that one guy who says everything you don’t like is a weirdo.
>>220977100zionists are reproducing while sterilizing niggers in their country.
>>220979377Shut the fuck up redditor. Normal people don't think like you (thank god). The other anon was being hyperbolic but you can't see past the literal words on a screen.
>>220980033>Normal people don't thinkcorrect, brownoid
>>220979377Correct. Problem? You'll be dead and buried and my descendants will still be making people like you mad 100 years from now
>>220979264>it's okay when jews do it
>>220980947>muh jaws out of nowhere seek professional help freak
>>220967683Genuinely sounds awful tbqhwy senpai
>>220967720I'm waiting out the kali yuga, surely things will get better then
>>220967720Hollywood is full of homosexuals.See how the entire shit of that movie is about being gay that a straight person would never guess is a thing.For straight people, "Marry and Reproduce" is the default lifestyle.
>>220967683>Gen lead be like>ahhhhhhhhh a stable society>AHHHHHHH I'M GOING INSANE!
>>220967683This is what conservatives keep telling you. And then call you a leech, welfare queen, etc. when you need food stamps and social programs to support your family and not have everyone starve
>>220978142>Same pol threads over and over. Russia really has fucked up the internet.Its funny, and when you point it out they just get upset and double down on how profound it is to be miserable, lol. We dont hate them enough.
>>220984455Why would any foreign nation spend penny's of their budget to push isolation, misery, and disharmony in their enemies idiot?
>>220967683>ignore where half your tax dollars are going
>>220984511glad these bugs are going extinct
