Boris Balkan
>>220977686BOO
The colours in this movie are so great, some movie nerd tell me why10th gate fucking when
>>220977686I love this style of painting with visible brushstrokes and exaggerated color contrast
>>220977749The 10th gate was the friends we made along the way
Frank Langella never disappoints
>>220977792He was recently meant to be in more KINO but got #me2too'd
Mumbo jumbo
I rewatch the Balkan library scene, the Frenchfag library scene and sometimes the cripple woman every week
9GEU ideas>Beyond the Ninth GateAdventure romp following Corso as he explores the enchanting and dangerous realm on the other side of the portal>BalkanA WoWS-style prequel about how Boris built his business empire>Indiana Jones and the Accursed TomeCrossover event
>>220977868What about the Portuguese guy chilling in his home?
>>220977888Can modern Hollywood live up to such KINO? It should be given to Eggers
flick sucked ass Eyes wide Shut is the superior film
>>220977910yes and forgot the twins as well
>>220977953It's not and they are nothing alike
Rosemarys baby got boring on the 4th watch
>>220977953you got filtered
>>220977686any news on the remake?
>>220977817That shouldn't stop polaski using him again
>>220977686>SI.VM E.T A.V.VM>Silentium est aureum>Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows>Precisely
>>220978129what remake
If I let some nerd into my house to look at my prized 20 million dollar 500 year old one of a kind book and he lit up a cigarette and blew smoke into it I think i'd genuinely attack him
>>220978517We're talking about a guy whose secret code to enter that library is 666, I don't think he cares about his books that much.
>>220978517
I recently read the book and I thought the movie was better because it gets rid of the gay red herring Dumas side plot. Also in the end the book villain (who isnt Balkan) burns because the true LCF version of the final illustration was at some point lost and the Ceniza brothers forged a replacement basing it off the version made by Torchia (AT) so the ritual was always doomed to fail
Would you a whore of Babylon?
>>220978691I couldn't even finish the book, maybe something is lost in translation but I thought it was terrible. Very disappointed
I went to the castle in real life. Also went to the outside of the wheelchair lady's house in Paris on isle st. louis. the cafe he goes in to avoid the black dude was a set and not real. it was at the end of a street built in the middle of the road.
>>220978922Absolutely based. I need 9th Gate fanatic friends irl.
the movie is actually a comedy
>>220977749lots of greens and reds like technicolor or something, the new Spider-Noir in color kinda has the same color scheme. Also lots of 90s movies in general had very warm tones.
>>220979401Absolutely, Polanski is clearly being tongue-in-cheek. This flies over the head of many retards who simply think that the film is cheesy and campy. The same phenomenon happened to the movie Hackers, obviously a comedy to anyone with a brain, but normalniggers just think it's a cheesy crime drama
>>220977716What was Polanski really saying with these movies? That the Freemasons and Satanists who backed him are actually inferior pussies and he's the Jewish alpha?
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>>220978922I admire /tv/'s autistic appreciation for this very mediocre movie
I want to smoke cigs and swig whiskey in a giant library full of rare books
>>220979605Looks like we got another one, boys!Put him on the filtered list.
>>220978475Depp has never been cooler.
>>220979665All his 90s movies were kino before he did blockbuster slop
>>220979588I like how this movie is structured like an Indiana Jones movie. Scholar gets commissioned to find some old artifact by a mysterious benefactor, treks across different countries and locations to find it, has hot muses tempting him along the way and the villain gets his comeuppance.
>>220979688Balkan won. He got robbed by Satan.
>>220978547I wanted her so bad
>>220979874based gilfer
>>220979871I want to live in there
>>220979707the real 9th gate was the journey we madehe skipped to the ending
>>220979571that when people think of satanists they think of all the mumbo jumbo shit spooky shit the frogs were doing, but really it's people like balkan
>>220979871would drink brandy with, rippen
>>220979571That it's all fake and gay and people are retarded, including rich ones.
>>220977686This movie fucking sucked. Cuck Polanski putting his wife in the movie too lmao, she is such a shit actress.
>>220979951We caught another 1 boys, add him to the filtered list, kek!
>>220979951All directors are cucks. Get over it
>>220977716Why did that one chick take her robe off and run away naked?
>>220980582the cultists typically wear identical black robes to signify their loss of individuality and submission to the group. By stripping off the robe, the woman is symbolically rejecting the cult's authority and reclaiming her individuality.
>>220977817MUMBO JUMBO
You can't come with me. I must travel alone. But you may look on, and marvel.
You're not wanted here, Mr Corso. Leave.
>>220980582for most of them it was just a sex thing>>220980768this guy is autistic
>>220977768same going to look up the artist now
>>220981032He must be a /tv/ Chad
>>220980879If you're not an autist you shouldn't be here
>>220978922holy kino
is it ever explained why the girl's face changes into a completely different face at the end while they're having sex? I listened to the commentary on the DVD but don't remember Polanski mentioning it. Is it in the book?
>>220982247she's a she devil anon
>>220982247 It signifies that she is not a human woman, but an eternal entity who has been waiting centuries for this ritual.
>>220982247I always thought it's because she's been using different faces throughout the times and living as different people. so I guess by the time she's draining corso's dick you might as well show your true colors
that's a cool paintingalways admired/envied painters who can use a lot of 'random' colors that don't seem to belong but make a painting look richer and more expressivei never developed the eye to do that
>>220982267they like crop in a different pair of eyes over hers. I'm not talking about the green contact lenses there's something else that's like 1-2 seconds of what seems to be a completely different woman's face that gets cropped over it. Very strange. Wasn't sure if it was meant to be someone else from earlier in the movie or something the audience would recognize or like everyone has said just "it's a demon bro" was the only point and nothing deeper
>>220979529they still work as their intended genre desu, but its still hilarious. balkan acting like the phonies dont know shit only to be burned alive like the phony he was himself. funny shit. and i dont know if people are just deaf, but there is this whimsy comedic tune around at all times.
you anons are confusing camp with comedyNinth Gate is campy, but not comedic
>>220982351Its another one of her faces
>>220977686>Boris BalkanI found myself siding with him and not with Johnny Depp.
>>220982267she's the hoah of Babylon
>>220983755He fucked himself by not walking the path himself.
>>220983819Balkan thought he could have someone else do all the work and reap the fruits, and got punished for it
>>220983874And yet you still side with him
Does anyone know what building they used to house “Balkan Tower”? I know it was likely in Paris. I guess that his library was a set.
>>220984754I think they shot only a few scenes in NYC. Polanski is a convicted rapist who skipped his sentence and will be arrested the second he sets foot in America.
>>220977749I dunno, film or some shit.
>>220984774I’m pretty sure the entire movie was shot in Europe, mainly France and Spain while they used some sets with skylines for thr NYC scenes.
>>220984803You're right. I don't remember, but I think they sourced some skyscraper background shots of New York from somewhere. The New York scenes were shot in Paris.
So ... how come Corso is in the end selected by the Whore of Babylon, even though he is not a believer, even though he did not collect the woodcuts, even though he didn't even recite the spells or perform the ritual?
>>220978691>Also in the end the book villain (who isnt Balkan) burns because the true LCF version of the final illustration was at some point lost and the Ceniza brothers forged a replacement basing it off the version made by Torchia (AT) so the ritual was always doomed to failNigga, isn't that what happens in the movie as well. Depp finds the original page at the end, it was on the top of the bookshelf.
>>220980811MUMBOOOWWWW JUMBOOOWWWW
>>220984754It's in the dvd director commentary. It was some building in Paris and the interior library was a set.
>>220984925She just wanted to get her nut on. Also it's a law in European cinema that you must have at least two sex scenes and tits or else you don't get funded.
>>220977749That's just how France looks.Italy looks even better, literally like in the paintings.
>>220984925I guess he was exactly what the Devil wanted. An ambitious and knowledgeable man who was motivated to go out and do stuff. He starts out as a nonbeliever, but he begins to become obsessed by his journey the further in he goes. Also by the end he has all of the correct pages after he found the final one in the store the twins had. He was the only one who was willing to go out into the world and assemble the books after discovering that the secret was hidden in 3 books instead of one. Everyone else was kinda cucked in that movie. Both the Cenzia brothers and the Frenchie tried to prevent the ritual, while Balkan relied on minions.
>>220984992Thank you anon.
>>220984925He was a believer by that point, dumb fuck apu cuck
>>220985044So, it's the hero's journey -- or the anti-hero's journey. Too bad movies like that aren't made anymore, even though there's a lot more money being spent on lesser films these days. Films aren't shot on film anymore, they're not shot on location but in front of greenscreen, the scripts are written by 25 year old talentless gen Z hacks, and concerning the actors they either hire nobodies or they spend way too much on "known names". For the Ninth Gate Johnny Depp even forwent his usual 10 million salary because it offered him a chance to work with Polanski.
>>220978517Yeah, that annoyed me too. One of the Ceriza brothers did the same thing, even got cigarette ashes all over the pages.I still remember the one time I had ordered a rare book from the library and when I got it I couldn't read it for two weeks. The previous lender had been a cigar smoker and the book stank so much I had to air it out. Absolutely disgusting.
>>220977686the best part about the movie imo. if only he did his own searching for the pages
>>220977953...in bizarro world. fucking retard. The Ninth Gate is made to openly mock Eyes Wide Shut.
>>220985332His cigar wasn't filtered but you were.
>>220983158excessive and theatrical overacting in favor of the black comedy. sorry it flew over your head, its not even subtle. i could make a breakdown video of every scene and tell you why its funny, but that would defeat the point. its not a serious movie. also, the portrait is not that impressive since its only a copy of a movie still whilst in balkans library. very standard fare for any artist worth half a damn.
>>220983819>>220983874Satan manipulates people into doing things for him, he was acting like Satan and Satan became jelly and scared, so had him killed.
>>220985681You were filtered. Dont try to join in these threads again.
>>220985711>t. Satan
>>220985681No he just failed the quest. He wasn’t bright enough to solve the riddle, and he took no risks on his journey. The devil wanted a hustler, not a cuck.
>>220986074I watched some Youtuber on this and he explained it so that what happens in the LCF copperplates also happens to Corso on his journey. There's a guy in the copperplate being hit on the head, Corso gets hit on the head when he's in Baroness Kessler's library. There's a man that's been hung upside down in one of the copperplates, that happens do Corso's book dealer friend. On the other hand what's in the AT woodcuts happens to Balkan. So in the end Corso has journeyed through 8 of the 9 gates IRL and is "worthy" while Balkan has not, and that's why Corso gets the final copperplate and can go through the 9th gate.
>>220979588that scene, 6th, riding on the back of the truck with the sheep is so fucking comfy
>>220985704this is a good fucking list
why are 60% of all posts in discussion threads on teevee just anons calling each other cücl or retard/filtered?
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>>220985704add this
>>220979951>Cuck Polanski putting his wife in the movie too lmao, she is such a shit actress.I think this was an instance where it worked out. She has a very distinct and unnerving presence about her in the film. Justifiable casting desu.
have a smoke. have two
>>220977749DOP Darius Khjondi
>>220977686“I’ve seen horrors… horrors that you’ve seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that… but you have no right to judge me. It’s impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face… and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn’t see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember… I… I… I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn’t know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized… like I was shot… like I was shot with a diamond… a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God… the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men… trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love… but they had the strength… the strength… to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral… and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling… without passion… without judgment… without judgment. Because it’s judgment that defeats us.” _Mr. Rogers, 1974
>>220985704OK, latest, corrected, update here.Until I watch >>220986776 and add it...
>>220986310>I watched some youtuber explain it to met. balkan cuckYou couldn't even walk the path of movie understanding. You're unworthy of the ninth gate or participating in this thread.
>>220979933>but really it's people like balkanbalkan was as big of a poser as the other satanists he looks down on though
>>220977792You can bet your arse he'll still be a better Skeletor than Leto after the dust settles.Balkan is by far my favourite Langella character though. Absolute stellar casting in that film that takes it to another level entirely.
>>220978762Yes I would. Is this movie about her?
>>220987093dunno if it really fits but "I, Madman" is enjoyable. It's about a woman who works at a bookstore, finds a weird book written by a weirdo and her reading it brings the evil character in the book to life.
>>220978547She is so perfect in every detail from casting to the makeup. I love that character and performance so fucking much it's unreal.
>>220985704Ninth Gate scratches an itch you never knew you had until you've seen it. The reaction of everyfag is to look for more like it, but alas, there is nothing quite like it.
>>220987352I've seen it, it's good, but it doesn't really fit. It's more a of a meta-slasher, but not really that either.
>>220977953Please never log in to here ever again.
>>220987434even with the throwaway lines (or brief screen time really) mentioning alchemy and the Necronomicon?
>>220987403Angel Heart is the closest tonally and ideologically.The Ghost Writer has implacably the same atmosphere.Baffled! has an rare books dealer who has also studied the occult. There's a mansion, and rich older people who use occultism to regain youth, but it is totally different film tonally and every other way.
>>220987474I guess it could go to the Appendix section. I DID think about it at some point when I was adding movies to the chart.Arcane Sorcerer is another that could possibly go there. As the title suggests, there's a priest removed from the Church who now studies the occult in his vast library of mysterious books.
Any vidyas with similar vibe/aesthetics or story?
>>220987564Alan Wake, kind of.
>>220987580Alan Wake is dogshit and nothing like 9th Gate.
>>220987529It's also been a long time since I saw The Church, but it could kinda fit no? Anyone seen it recently?>In a Gothic cathedral built on the mass grave of a Teutonic purge, an ancient discovery by the new librarian will release an unholy maelstrom of madness, violence, and demonic vengeance.
lucifer a cute!!
>>220982247In the dvd extras Polanski mentions he used cgi very sparingly towards the end of the movie. The word he uses to describe it is "tasteful". I always assumed he meant the face changing scene where he tried to make her seem otherwordly, both beautiful and demonic at the same timePolanski was on fire during the 90s btw, I highly recommend Bitter Moon and Death and the Maiden.
I wish there was an extended edition with 1 hour more of inspecting old books asmr
>>220988054>I always assumed he meant the face changing sceneCgi fire too
>>220977686Boris Balkan I could understand, Frank Langella plays him perfectly. Dean Corso I didn't get, Depp plays him as pretty uninterested (he falls asleep during Balkan's lecture). Corso only seemed in it for the money.
>>220987564Faith
>>220988185Another filtered redditfag heard from
>>220988185Pursuing Balkan past the murder scene was entirely out of character for him and can only be explained by the devil girl's influence. If it was me I would not have even bothered to follow the Telfer bitch in the first place. As soon as Corso let Balkan know she was the one who had stolen the book then his job was finishedAlthough I suppose it was never quite explained how Corso was off the hook for the Baroness' murder. The secretary could positively ID him a hundred times over. The fact that Balkan went loco later and killed the whore in front of her rich friends means nothing since none of them would ever admit having joined the cult in the first place. Because of all this I suppose it is possible that Corso thought there was no way back except forward. What is even more unrealistic is how he was able to travel back to Portugal to pick up the last piece of the puzzle despite the fact that the French police would have most definitely put out a warant for his arrest by that point in time
>>220988371>travel back to PortugalYou mean Spain, the Ceriza twin brothers were in Spain ... until they weren't anymore. Portugal was where he found Fargas floating in his pool.Anyway, travel without border checks was possible in the European Union in the mid or late 90s when that movie was playing. Corso could have just got on a high speed train in France and got off again in Spain without ever having been bothered by police or customs. You have to show identification for flights and go through a security check, but this does not apply for trains. Both France and Spain have a high speed rail network that would have allowed Corso to be there in under a day.
>>220979874Watch Romeo is bleedinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4mYpIU_DE
>>220986830I love how long this meme's legs have been
>>220988016>>220982247>>220982267She's not the devil, she's the whore of babylon you fucking idiots.I'm not sure how much more clear the director could've done it for you mouthbreathers.
>>220990253In the book she is.
>>220990253The director has stated that she might be the devil, she might be a fallen angel, she might some demon, the whore of babylon, or all of the above. He made it ambigious on purpose. But I guess you know better than the director huh faggot?
>casually breaks a pair of $400 USD sauville glasses for a silly fight scene
>>220990282She is literally depicted as that in the last gravure you fucking muppet
>>220990448the director's comments overrules your argument
>>220990448>It's impossible that the whore of babylon and the devil could be different aspects of the same being
>>220990474The director had to deal with morons like you for his entire life not being able to put two and two together so at some point instead of having to explain WHAT IS PLAINLY THERE FOR ALL TO SEE he just took the path of least resistance>>220990499Yes it is impossible.In the bible there is>God>Christ>Virgin Maryand of course their opposite but equal counterparts on the other side>Satan>Antichrist>The Whore of Babylon
>>220990624The film isn't based on the Bible. It's based on Polanksi's imagination. What the Bible says is completely irrelevant to this work of fiction
>>220990657>It's based on Polanksi's imagination.No it's not. It's based on a script that is in turn based on the book "El Club Dumas". Polanski liked it and worked with the author of the script to condense it into what a movie could cover. Polanski removed side stories. His imagination did not enter it.
>>220990782The book and the movie don't have that much in common. I would say the film is more "inspired" by Club Dumas than "based on" it. It's also way better than the book
>>220990624you haven't read the book then, adler's hinted at being a fallen angel in it not the whore of babylon
She's definitely The Whore of Babylon. The notion that she is the devil doesn't make sense.Think about it, one of the reasons why Boris is so out of touch with the path, is that he has some notion that the Devil is akin to some genie that you can summon and get wishes out of if you perform the ritual. That is absurd, the prince of darkness isn't some jack in the box.
>>220991120Yes he is. That's the basic premise of the folk tale of Faust or Doctor Faustus. The devil will appear when summoned and sell you riches and power for your soul. In "Angel Heart" he sold musical talent.
>>220990253>she's the whore of babylonAnd she is riding the beast! Bravo Polanski.
>>220990624>Yes it is impossible.>In the bible there is>>God>>Christ>>Virgin Mary>and of course their opposite but equal counterparts on the other side>>Satan>>Antichrist>>The Whore of Babylonuuuh isn't this agreeing with the other anon
>>220990814I've read the book, they just removed the plot with the Musketeers stuff and adapter the other plotline with the Nine Gates book.
Why does the little girl stare? Why does the dog stare? Why is the flame on Corso's lighter so tall?I think Corso is the devil
>>220977686tfw I despise Polanski but this is my favorite film.
What?
>>220991277cuz that is not a little girl
>>220991331Wood top/stone top? The darker chess board seems to have wood grain. An artifact from being a photocopy or something more?
>>220991331"Discipulus potior magistro" means the pupil is more able/powerful than his master/teacher. That was the 7th copperplate from the fictional 9 Gates book.
>>220991350We all know Pedolanski has a well documented criminal interest in little girls.
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The ending could be better...Corso did not get his hands dirtyThe story kinda wants you to show he became obsessedhe smashes the mustache guy with his shoe - lolhe goes after Balkan even when his job is over - okbut it kinda sizzles outhe wants powerhe wants to knowthere should have been something damning him more
>>220978922did you have sex with a blonde woman at night in front of the castle?
>>220991661>there should have been something damning him moreA mediocre ending for a mediocre Corso. I mentioned above that Depp played him without any real fire or interest in the matter and was promptly insulted for that.Anyway, in the story the book is called "The 9 Gates into the Realm of Shadows", and the end is Corso walking through the 9th gate ... disappearing into the realm of shadows. Maybe that's meant to be damning.
>>220991120>>220990253polanski's full commentary is on youtube. the last 10 mins he says she's the devil
>>220992996Well, it would make sense as the book's purpose is to summon the devil and there she is.From a more theological standpoint - devil is derived from Greek diabolos, which in turn is a direct translation of the Hebrew satan, which just means "adversary" or "opponent". Like in court there's you and there's the side of the adversary, be he plaintiff or defendant. It's not a name but a title. In the Hebrew/Christian Bible God presides over a divine council made up of lesser divine beings. From time to time God would send one of them out to be "the satan" and test somebody's faith. Only in later centuries did the devil become one fixed entity. In the middle ages the devil was blamed for everything bad. Satanists like in the 9 Gates are an even younger invention. The earliest writers proclaiming sympathy for Satan showed up in the 19th century, and the earliest satanic clubs/covens date from the 1960s and were part of the counter-culture. We can't really count the witch covens of the middle ages since all testimonies were made under torture, and under torture the victims will confess to anything to stop the pain.
>>220991661> Corso did not get his hands dirtyHe kills the white haired dude at the mansion right? He clubs him to death with a shoe while the Whore smiles at him iirc.
>>220987374yeah she was perfect for it
>>220992996yeah that threw me through a loop desu since all the pictures she looks like the Whore of Babylon and in the book she is, but Polanski says she's the devil. He didn't completely write the Ninth Gate, so, is it possible Polanski is just mistaken?
